ANIMAL... welcome back. Hey patroit,at least Jim has enough courage to post his name after his thoughts,instead of hiding behind some bullshit nic. What makes you god to know what it takes to heal each and every person? Speak for yourself and not me! Can you understand that?Every member of the 129th ahc has the right to post,what they want.THEY have the courtesy to type their names after their beliefs and or statements. You,being the coward you are, dont. Folks like jim wont drive people off, people like you will.I dont care for whats all posted here,and some dont care for my posting,but we all agree thats our right.STOP hammering on 129th members!Your post pisses me off.
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 22:00:38 (MDT)

Jim Bags I owe you an apology for not going back far enough on the log and reading your first post. My mistake.
Patriot -Our USA
USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 18:31:06 (MDT)

Hey I'm back. My apologies for being MIA, but my computer melted. Finally got going again after a couple of months down. I haven't had a chance to scroll down and read much. The dial up service here is extremely slow. Anyway, It's good to be back........ Later, Greg
Animal
Puna , HI USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 17:22:53 (MDT)

Robbie....it's too early for winter, isn't it???>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it's kind of academic, the things that human beings can do to other human beings....what white American's did to American Indians, black slaves, black freedpeople, other white American,s...what Cambodians did to Cambodians, Koreans to Koreans, African Tutsi's to Tutu's, South african's to South African's. There's a world full of it, going back through all recorded history. I don't think we have any moral authority, other than having been in the middle of it at one time, and still????... finding glory in it. As proud as I am to have served, I still feel a strong sense of paridigm. I feel the same way now towards what is happening in Iraq, proud of the soldiers who serve, sick at the thought of yet another romantic venture, al a crusade! When will we ever learn? A catchy phrase for a song?..I'd rather be thought of as a romantic fool, than give in to cynicism. When will we ever learn?
Kim
Livermore, Me USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 16:48:58 (MDT)

Jim Baggs. Well, after reading all that has gone on since you posted that web site, it would seem that it might not have been a good way to get started on this site. I'm not trying to condem or preach. I usually keep out of such goings on. I was thinking maybe instead of trying to defend what you posted, maybe a quick but sincere apology would work much better. I agree that you put a good warning on the post, but not knowing all of the Brothers and Sisters that visit this site, you might want to get to know some of us first. I know you said you were in the 129th in 72/73. I was there in 69/70 and flew as gunner with Mark Jackson's brother Larry Jackson for 2 months before crewing my own ship. Mark is the person that started this web site and it has grown to what it is today and has brought lots of Brothers together again, and we love him for it. Well, I've got to get going and put some cold weather hand protection on my motorcycle. Jim I hope you consider what I suggested and stick around and connect with Brothers you knew from your time at Lane. I'm sure you're not a monster. Hope everyone is doing good.....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 11:26:43 (MDT)

Jim not Jim Westwang. After hearing and reading about your recommed site. And then reading your post. I have come to the conclusion you have problems. And in need of help which you won't find here. I can't believe you get off viewing such horrible act towards human beings. You have no respect for the people whom visit this site. You could have at least stated what the site consist of. Sick Joke. THE PATRIOT-OUR USA USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 09:17:57 (MDT) Self proclaimed patriot (coward who won’t identify him or her self) your projection that I “get off viewing such horrible acts” is just that a PROJECTION: attributing one’s own traits, attitudes, or faults to others. In terms that you may understand it’s when you falsely accuse someone else of what you are guilty of, at the same time blowing smoke up your own ass telling yourself that you are perceptive. …………On the following site is a video download (10 to 15 min if your on dial up) the video is VERY GRAPHIC DO NOT VIEW THIS IF YOU ARE EASILY UPSET BY VIOLENCE, it is the beheading of one of the two Americans kidnapped last week. The first 7 to 8 min is just the head ass#@%& ranting........... http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Hostages.asp jim USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 12:41:06 (MDT)…………This is the original post it clearly states what was on the video as to the rest of the site I don’t care, the video from what I have been able to able to determine is authentic and what it really depicts is the true face a real enemy nothing to get paranoid about just informed…… Sick joke? Yes you trying to think. Before you can respect others you have to learn to respect you and you are obviously very insecure which is manifested by your fear of the world as it is.
Jim Baggs
USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 10:57:30 (MDT)

Flight: Just got through talking to Wink. He was without power for 2 days. And lost a few shingles from the roof. He is heading for New york to see the kids. Haven't heard anything from Cupps. Ray and Rainer good talking to you both. Hope everyone has a great day. Alex
Alex
Collierville , TN. USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 10:30:02 (MDT)

Kim, that's exactly what I have on my system now. SE personal, and Search and Destroy through Spybot. It sure cleaned my system up. See ya Bye.....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 07:28:58 (MDT)

If you go to the Windows Update page you can click on on Windows Catalog at the top center of the page and that will bring you to a page of recommended software downloads. Of which adware removal tools and other utilities are listed. Some are free and others have the price posted. This is software recommended by Microsoft and gives a good discription of the program. Remember with free software. You get what you pay for. With most free software of this nature the updates must be done manually. So make a habit of doing them once a week or every other week. Hope this info helps. Have a nice day. Rick Jensen
Rick
USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 20:10:04 (MDT)

Ray, Alvis has it right, although I think I'll have to try his spy ware program. Ad Aware has a free program, called SE Personal. You can download it right off the internet. If you use dialup, it may take a few minutes, but, it's worth it! The other one I use, spybot search and sestroy, is also free. I had that one initially, and adaware found another 37 spies in my computer!!! I use both now, just run them once a week, and go onto their websites for the free upgrades. It makes a big difference in keeping the computer running at it's normal speed. The spy programs just clog the thing up until it won't run, then you're really screwed!!! Good luck.
Kim
Livermore, Me USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 19:35:03 (MDT)

Man I thought it was cold this morning when I rode to the VA center. I just came back from a friends house and it was 49 degrees out when I left there. I'm glad I only live 8 miles from him. No windshield and I didn't have my chaps with me. BRRRRRRRR. When I talked to the doctor today, he said did the doctor tell you last time that you have blood in your urine? I said no she didn't. So they are going to have me come in Oct 21st and put a dye in my kidney and see if there is anything wrong there. There were other guys there for their initial check up and they told us to bring any prescriptions we have with us. I had one bottle for acid reflux, and most of the other guys had a bag with about 10 bottles or more. Well, I won't bore you any more. Hope everyone is doing good......Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 18:38:39 (MDT)

Ray, just type in spy sweeper,hit search,and a free trial download will be one of the first options.After you download it,hit sweep. It will go thru ALL of your files.after its finished,be sure to look into the quartine area to delete items found also.In ,my opinion, its better than adwARE, it does a more investgative job.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 11:12:54 (MDT)

HELLO TO ALL. ALVIS AND KIM. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO GET THOSES SOFT WARES . LIKE SPYBOT AND , AD AWARE. AND HOW TO LOAD THEM OR CAN I GET THEM IN A CD FORM. I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT PUTERS. BUT I DO KNOW I DON'T WANT MINE MESSED UP I LIKE IT IF ONE ONE OF COULD TELL ME HOT TO LOAD THEN TELL ME HOW TO USE , SORRY BEEN HAVING A REAL BAD WEEK IN SIDE ME. BUT DOING BETTER NOW. THANKS A BROTHER OF THE 129th RAY
RAY <stilwating@alo.com>
MD USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 08:59:54 (MDT)

Sorry all I didn't mean I was leaving just moving on to next subject I'm not a good at comuncation so I don't always get said what I mean I am not sure if I bugged anyone or not but I sure never meant to . So I am moveing on to next thing I will miss state.I love you all and you can't run me off .My prayers are with you all.Take care and be happy.Always a part of the family and a brother George ( and who knows I might say something that is relevent some day LOL)
george marshall
USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 07:13:16 (MDT)

Alvis and Kim, thanks for your advice. The guy that was here put Ad-Aware on my system and also updated my Spybot and between the two, it has cleaned up nicely. Going to the V.A. this morning. Not exactly sure what they are going to put me through, but I have to see the Blue team. Sounds impressive!! Well, I better get going. Have to be there at 9am. I think I'll ride the bike down. Hope everyone is doing good........Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 05:46:28 (MDT)

"The last time somebody listened to a Bush, folks wandered in the desert for 40 years"
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USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 05:13:14 (MDT)

Robbie, I use spy sweeper,its a temp,free download and it works very well.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 20:03:37 (MDT)

Robbie, try downloading ad aware, it's a spyware removal program, scans and quarrantines about 56000 different spyware programs, and,,,it's free!!!!!!!! good luck
Kim
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 19:15:12 (MDT)

I was informed of the truth of life through a song...faster horses, younger women, old whiskey, and more money!!!!! Along with the truth of old dogs, children, and watermelon wine, Tom T. Hall pretty much said it all. My Bhuddist beliefs tell me that most anything is acceptable, as long as it's done for the RIGHT REASON.......we sometimes get a little carried away in expousing our beliefs here, me included. It's best to keep doing so ( in my humble opinion) just so long as we recognise that none of us really has the inside track on every issue! To me, george bush is the anti christ personified! To a lot of others here, he's a very special person.....time may tell......when I think back on some of the war crimes, needless killings that went on during our little war, I wonder what gives us the moral authority to condemn the actions of others, as they attempt to affect a favorable (to them) outcome to whatever issue bothers them! freedom isn't free....that's one of the most stupid sayings I've ever heard!!!!!!if it isn't free, it isn't freedom!!!!!! Anybody out there thinks we're free, try not paying your taxes, and see how long you're free!!!! We can't even attend a political rally without signing a loyalty oath, congress pushed through a bill that would take away the separation of powers between the legislative and judicial branches of our government, and most no one even notices????? folks, we need to communicate on this (and other) sites, and get our differences out into the open, with respect for them, and start telling our elected? officials to get this country back to it's original promise! We need to make sure others learn from our past experiences, and try and make this a better place for all, not just the privileged few! moving onward and upward doesn't mean moving away, it means making our world into a better place, any way we can......
Kim
Livermore, Me USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 19:10:59 (MDT)

Holy Cow. My computer slowed down from a crawl to not moving at all. Had to call in a computer geek to get me going again. I had so much spyware crap on my system, it was choking it as soon as I turned it on. It seems to be running good now though. Mark, that's fine that you gave that rock to Roger Austin. That's probably who it was supposed to go to. Sorry to hear about your friend's wife. There is no easy way to lose someone it seems. But as with my brother and yours, it's not being able to say goodbye that hurts so much. I still haven't heard back from Steve Desantis' relations. Maybe they want it that way, not sure. Gently, if I can get anything from that ship in Mobile, I will. I might call tonight and see what he was able to salvage. Ray it was good talking to you tonight and I'm also sorry about your friend passing away. Don't let those builders take advantage of you....My Brother is hanging in there with his Chemo treatments. He gets them every other Tuesday, and I usually leave him alone on those days because I know he's not going to feel good. Well, that's enough from me, lets hear from some of the other Brothers that are just reading. We'd love to hear just a Hi from you.......Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 19:04:26 (MDT)

28 Sep 2004, 11:51 UTC Laos has handed over to U.S. authorities the remains of at least two American soldiers killed in Laos during the Vietnam War. U.S. Ambassador to Laos Patricia Haslach and Lao Deputy Foreign Minister Phongsavath Boupha attended a formal repatriation ceremony Monday in southern Savannakhet province. ...The United States says the remains of nearly 200 Americans have been recovered in Laos since 1992, while 377 Americans are still listed as missing in action........http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DBDBF76A-F9...
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 15:27:53 (MDT)

GEMTLY SEE WHAT I MEAN . many people are not posting and are leaving. SO GEORGE PLEASE STAY AS GENTLY SAYS YOU HAVE FRIENDS HERE, PLEASE DONT GO. THIS IS A GOOD PLACE. MOST OF US ARE FAMILY, BUT WE ARE JUST ON A ROUGH ROAD NOW BUT WE GET IT RUNNING SMOOTH AGAIN. SO GEORGE GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT OK STAY. I HAVE GOTTEN MUCH SUPORT HERE. FORGIVE MY SPELLING OK. SO THAKE CARE MY BROTHER GEORGE AND I BELOOKING FOR YOUR POSTS OK A BROTHER FROM THE 129th . HELLO TO GALE AND DEBBIE, KAL, RON PAYE RANIER AND YOUR WIFE SORRY I FORGOT HER NAME FEEL BAD . ROB HOW ARE YOU DOING. AND TO ALL THOES WHO USE TO POST LETS ALL COME BACK AND BRING THIS BACK TO WHAT IT USE TO BE LOVE YOU ALL BE SAFE STAY WELL RAY MARK AND DEE KEEP THE SIGHT GOING YOU TWO ARE DOING WELL
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
MD USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 12:51:24 (MDT)

George, please stay. You have friends and family here. Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 11:55:28 (MDT)

this is george movin on
george marshall
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 11:48:17 (MDT)

“THIS IS A PLACE TO HEAL, FOR MANY STILL HAVE WOUNDS.” It appears I have a much different approach to healing than some, I didn’t Develop some new system but I kept looking when the “experts” couldn’t answer my questions, when the “experts” contradicted themselves. Which lead me to a search for truth, not a personal truth but a universal truth , that which is already always true, gravity is a truth, it actually exists, you can directly experience it, it doesn’t exist because Newton observed its behavior and wrote down his findings. So it is with the rest of the universe. What is is and what isn’t isn’t, prime imperative, supreme OBLIGATION, survival, the fight of flight response, is another truth; anyone who needs a reminder should pick up a cat that feels threatened. With humans though it isn’t so much a real threat as with terrorist (and this war isn’t just “over there”) or criminals. Humans take positions, supported by reason, rationalization, beliefs and opinions and when those positions are attacked we (the EGO) feel threatened. We developed these positions because we learned ( consciously or not )to do so from those around us, our parents, teachers, politicians etc., most of those positions are based on a “judgment” of good or evil, right or wrong, proper or improper , respect or disrespect, the list goes on. I have found that there are two ways of saying it 1, there is no good or evil, there are just consequences 2, there is good and evil but we suffer only when we have a conflict between the two, that is to say when we think some thing should not have happened, how could it be any other way, nothing can happen that isn’t in accordance with the laws that run this universe (whether you call it God, nature etc). There is a time to be born and a time to die, a time for war a time for peace, but in the end nothing has been or can be gained, it’s all just the grand play of the universe, the will of God etc. When tired sleep ,when hungry eat, when cold put on more clothing, when hot seek a cool place, but at the same time to eat is to survive to be hungry. Viewing the site I posted will not give you nightmares only your mind (ego) can give you nightmares and you are not your mind. That’s my contribution to the “place to heal”. Its one of those things you just “get”, If not well F**k it, in the grand scheme of things it just don’t matter anyway. Time to move on. AMF
jim (not jim westwang)
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 10:23:03 (MDT)

I have'nt posted latley but read every morning.So I thought I might put my 2 cents worth in. I suffer from PTSD ( though the Dr.'s and shrinks seem to be the only ones that believe, meaning the DVA don't) when I saw Jim Baggs post I read the very clear warning and did not chose to view it, I am sure that it would have put in a tail spin.I dont think this is actually political so here goes. I belive that who ever is the Prez.doesn't have a clue what is going on any more, there is know way he could. Meaning there is simply to much going on in the world that needs looking at for any one man to follow .My thoughts are that all the Prez knows is what his people tell him and he does what they advise him to do. And face it we have all had a chance to see who is running for Prez ,anyone seen one with out standing brain power, I haven't.I urge every one to vote for whom ever they feel will do the best job.But I also feel that the the guys that are running are just trying to tell us what they think (or the people that are write there speachs thinks) will get them most votes.History will bare me out(am I neked) that they very seldom if ever, carry out what what they promise us they people.I belive that the real power is in the hands of people we will never have a vote on. I think we should vote on the people who advise the Prez if we really want to have a say. But again they would probably lie to use to get elected.I guess I might be confused and maybe thats my PTSD paranoia speaking who knows.So thats my take on it I know it probably is out of context with what is going on is the LOG I am always a day late(lol). But I wanted to have a view on something so I could talk to everyone .Hope all are are doing as good as they can and my prayers go out to all .A Brother in Deed and Heart george
george marshall
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 09:06:11 (MDT)

Jim O. ( Stickman). I'll call you tonight brother.
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 08:55:36 (MDT)

HI FLIGHT I AGREE WITH YOU ALVIS , """ BUT HE SHOULD AT LEAST WARN PEOPLE THAT IT'S GRAPHIC WAS MY POINT HE JUST SAID TO GO THERE."""" BUT HE DOSE HAVE THE RIGHT TO POST WHAT HE WANTS I END IT HERE RAY BE SAFE ALL STAY WELL RAY MD USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 ................ On the following site is a vidio download (10 to 15 min if your on dial up) the vidio is VERY GRAPHIC DO NOT VIEW THIS IF YOU ARE EASILY UPSET BY VIOLENCE, it is the beheading of one of the two Americans kidnapped last week. The first 7 to 8 min is just the head ass#@%& ranting........... http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Hostages.asp jim USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 12:41:06 (MDT)
jim (not jim westwang)
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 08:44:37 (MDT)

for those of you that dont think we should be in Iraq,view the site Jim just posted.They are rabid animals. alvis USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 14:47:22 (MDT) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the following site is a vidio download (10 to 15 min if your on dial up) the vidio is VERY GRAPHIC DO NOT VIEW THIS IF YOU ARE EASILY UPSET BY VIOLENCE, it is the beheading of one of the two Americans kidnapped last week. The first 7 to 8 min is just the head ass#@%& ranting........... http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Hostages.asp jim USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 12:41:06 (MDT)
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USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 08:20:07 (MDT)

HELLO FLIGHT I AGREE WITH YOU MARK SOME OF THE THINGS POSTED FOR HAS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT WHAT YOU MADE IT UP TO BE FOR IT SEEMS SOME JUST GO ON ON AND SAYS NOTHING.LETS GO BACK TO HELPING OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. AS THIS WAS MENT TO BE, FOR THIS IS A PLACE FOR HEALING AND SUPORT. MARK YOU AND DEE ARE DOING A GRATE JOB KEEP IT UP. ALVIS I KNOW YOU SAY PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO POST WHAT THEY WANT TO BUT SOME GET CARRIE AWAY AN RAMBEL ON ABOUT NOTHING ON WHAT THIS SIGHT WAS MENT FOR. IAM SORRY IF I AM OFFENDING YOU IF I DID IAM IAM SORRY BUT WE ARE FAMILY PLEASE LETS KEEP IT LIKE THAT WAY, I SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE STOP POSTING LATLY NOW I CAN SEE WHY. WHEN I FRIST CAME HERE THIS WAS A PLACE OF LOVE AND YOU ALL GAVE SUPORT. IT NOW SINCE HAS CHANGED SOME, DON'T MEAN TO BE OUT OF LINE , BUT I HAVE SEEN A BIG CHANGE HERE WITH LONG POSTING WITH HAS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT WHAT THE MARK AND DEE HAS CREATED THIS PLACE FOR. BUT I WILL ALWAYS BE A BROTHER OF THE 129TH AND I ALWAYS CARE FOR YOU ALL, AND CARE AND LOVE YOU ALL.ROB HOW IS YOUR BROTHER DOING ALEX HOWIS WOUR FOOT DOING. RICK HOW ARE YOU COING AND CC HAVEN'T HEAD FROM YOU IN A WHILE ARE YOU OK ALEX I BE IN TOUCH BE SAFE STAY WELL MARK AND DEE THANKS I HOPE I DID'T UP SET ANY ONE BUT THINGS SEEM TO BE GETTING OUT OF HAND HERE RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
MD USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 08:06:31 (MDT)

WELL, LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER STORM HAS MISSED US, I JUST HOPE THAT OUR BROTHERS IN FL MADE OUT AS WELL. IT WASN'T THIS JIM THAT POSTED EITHER, SIGN MY STUFF, I DON'T WANT TO DULL THE SHINE OF MY JIM. MARK, WHAT DID YOU NEED OR WANT FROM ME. I POSTED MY HOME PHONE #, I DON'T HAVE A PUTER AT HOME. MARK, MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOUR FRIEND THAT LOST HIS WIFE, NOT A DAY OR EVEN AN HOUR GOES BY THAT I DON'T MISS MINE. I TAKE COMFORT IN THE TIME WE SPENT TOGETHER AND CHERRISH THE MEMORIES. TAKE CARE, JIM O
jim "stickman" oliver
savannah, ga USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 08:01:02 (MDT)

Amen to that
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 07:16:51 (MDT)

READ THE PURPOSE OF THIS WEB SITE. WERE NOT KIDS ANY MORE OR ARE WE. lET'S STAY ON AN CONSTRUCTIVE AND A POSITIVE FOCUS HERE ON THE LOG. IT SEEMS THAT WE GET CARRIED AWAY WITH PERSONAL OPINIONS THAT CAN ONLY BE SOLVED BY ONE'S SELF. TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM THAT EVERYONE HAS VOTE IN NOV. IS YOUR CHANCE TO FEEL THAT YOU MAD A DIFFERENCE. sO 129TH LET'S GET BACK TO THE PURPOSE. SUPPORTING THOSES WHOM NEED US. FINDING MORE OF THE 129TH AND 394TH. THINK POSTIVE.

USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 07:11:53 (MDT)

Smitty, my friend: there was nothing posted on the web site by me to indicate I thought it was you who posted the video information. I stated "Jim" without an indication as to who that was. As to the information on the video being posted, well, my feeling was and still is that this is a very dangerous place to share such information: with many still suffering from PTSD, the video would be what is called a "stressor" and therefore should be avoided. Why someone would look for such a website, and then share it with people they do not know is beyond me, but it was done, and though premised with "gruesome" I can't help but feel more warning should have been forth coming. Again, Smitty, I did not indicate it was you on this website. I would not handle it in such a fashion, you know that. Also know that I love you. Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 06:58:04 (MDT)

Hey Fred S........ You can make a change in it all and vote for the person who will make the world better as you see it. I assume you do vote? Better yet, run for an office and impliment some ideas as to how you would make this a better country to live in.
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 06:33:07 (MDT)

"You're one o' them over-educated book readin' liberals ain't ya"?........ I had an uncle way back when who always messed with me about reading books. I read thousands as a kid, and he used to say things like the above to insult me in front of everyone. He looked down on intellectualism, for lack of a better term. He sneered at those who read newspapers or books of any kind. Of course, he'd never ever read a single book in his life, other than school. But this attitude is nothing new, and now even the president carries this anti-intellectual swagger. This is still going on, stronger than ever. Teens make fun of the smart kids. I was never that bright, but the one's who were were always picked on and ridiculed. The less educated kids scoff at scholarly kids who use proper English, as opposed to the current slang. That same childish attitude is carried into adulthood unfortunately, and I've never seen it in more full swing than right now. Especially under Bush II. He BRAGS about not reading books or newspapers. BOASTS about his in-curiousness. Deliberately uses a "psuedo-southern" accent to "dumb it down" for the masses. The Nazis also attacked intellectuals and free thinkers. Saw them as dangerous, because thinking for yourself is counter to the group think, Nazi personae. Become like the dominant mob, don't be an intellectual troublemaker. Write only nationalist books, speak only nazi words, make only official artworks and music. When I was readin' all them fancy schmancy books, I read about the Nazis pretty heavily. They've always fascinated and horrified me, and I was caught off guard when I realized that Bushkkko is using the Nazi playbook, for the same Nazi purposes.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 05:29:41 (MDT)

HI FLIGHT I AGREE WITH YOU ALVIS , BUT HE SHOULD AT LEAST WARN PEOPLE THAT IT'S GRAPHIC WAS MY POINT HE JUST SAID TO GO THERE. BUT HE DOSE HAVE THE RIGHT TO POST WHAT HE WANTS I END IT HERE RAY BE SAFE ALL STAY WELL
RAY
MD USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 05:20:20 (MDT)

Like Dogs in the Night......... "No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear" —Edmund Burke............ Politics used to be fun. Especially in Texas where zany, God-fearing politicians really knew how to "get down." That was back when you could destory an opponent without really hurting him -- tell lies so unbelievable and outlandish that giggling voters flock to the polls to vote for you just because you're so dadgumed creative. In his heyday, nobody was better at gettin' down politically than Lone Star Lyndon. In 1948, after 11 years in the House of Representatives where he proved to be a formidable, power-hungry campaigner, LBJ hit fellow Democrat and popular former Texas governor Coke Stevenson with everything he had as they squared off for a run at the Senate. Legend has it Johnson told one of his aides -- "Go out there and tell 'em Coke was caught having sex with a farm animal." "But, Lyndon," the aide protested, "you know that's not true!" "Of course it's not true!" Johnson responded impatiently. "That's not the point. Tell it anyway -- and make him deny it..." In politics, going from down to down-and-dirty is no distance at all. The battle between Stevenson and Johnson was the closest senatorial race in the nation's history, and Johnson -- who initially lost -- managed a "comeback" that created the model used in Florida 52 years later by the Bush team. Stevenson's victory lap was brought up short when an amended return appeared miraculously from Jim Wells County, giving Johnson 201 votes and Stevenson only 2, putting Johnson ahead by 87 votes. Not to be outdone -- Duval County, in its eagerness to help Johnson -- was caught with its hands in the ballot box. Stevenson protested all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court but, wouldn't you know, while the case was wending its way to that august body, Jim Wells inadvertently "lost" its voting lists, and Duval made the only prudent choice -- it burned the entire county's returns. Well, naturally, the Supremes refused to hear a case with no evidence. But, hey -- no harm done -- just another glitch in run-of-the-mill Texas politics. It isn't like the shudder that rippled through the nation was the beginnings of momentum that would ultimately carry a couple of Texas cowboys to the Oval Office or anything. No way a few dirty tricks in Texas could change the course of history... There is a vast difference between those two who did make it to the top -- Lyndon Johnson and George Bush. For starters, Johnson was a bona fide, card-carrying Texan, while Bush can only prance around playing dress-up in his boots and cowboy hat. Johnson lusted for the power of the Oval Office so obsessively that he spent his entire adult life relentlessly preparing himself for it. Bush was not only breathtakingly unprepared for the job, but proves more and more with each passing day to be totally unfit for it, and he apparently had no concept of what the job entailed. Just three months before the 2000 selection, Bush breezily told reporters in the critical state of Iowa -- "I don't know whether I'm going to win or not...If not, that's just the way it goes." Johnson is responsible for his state's sprawling network of roadside parks -- each one an oasis that still offers respite to weary travelers -- which he created in the wake of the Great Depression to provide work for impoverished Texas youth, many of them Hispanics and Blacks. Bush is responsible for his state's sprawling prison network -- each one housing far too many Texas youth, far too many Hispanics and Blacks -- from which, as governor, he cold-bloodedly chalked up the nation's highest execution rate... Both men will be remembered for the significant changes they made in how government functions. Johnson, a devoted supporter of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, brought us the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and put the social safety net firmly in place with his Great Society Program. Bush, a devoted supporter of Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz's Global Empire deal, brought us the largest deficit in the nation's history, the USA Patriot Act of 2001 and -- like a rabid jackal -- tore into the social safety net immediately upon taking office. Verily, no children are being left behind... Both Johnson and Bush will be remembered for floundering around in the hopeless quagmire of bloody wars. They will be remembered for the needless injury and death of millions of military and civilians, and for thrusting US citizens into environments where they were desensitized into doing shameful and vicious things they would never have dreamed they were capable of doing. Johnson recognized his folly, made a feeble attempt at damage control with a half-hearted attempt at negotiation, and exited public life -- a broken man. Bush brazenly refuses to admit he made a mistake even though his lies for rushing to war have long been exposed throughout the world. He stands there, a clownish "Baghdad Bob," insisting he is winning the war, that his will is firm no matter how many US citizens perish, and blathers that "freedom is on the march." He stands there resolute -- while body parts of the innocent sail through the air behind him and American's sons and daughters are slaughtered at a clip of three a day and sneaked back to the US in flag-draped coffins. He stands there -- a shameful and hollow man. Dirty politics didn't start in Texas, but flourished there like nowhere else, and has since spread its tentacles throughout the nation. In 1964, Johnson had moved on from sex with farm animals, and introduced fear into dirty politics when he sucker-punched both Barry Goldwater and the entire nation with an ad mirroring a giant mushroom cloud in the eyes of an innocent little girl. Johnson won in a landslide. Republicans -- especially those named Bush -- sat up and took notice. They eagerly entered what Adlai Stevenson had described a decade earlier as "Nixon Land -- a land of slander and smear, of sly innuendo, of the poison pen, the anonymous phone call, and hustling, pushing, shoving, the land of smash and grab, anything to win." They never looked back. Their crusade to destroy President Bill Clinton created an entire class of cruel, steely-eyed right-wing pundits whom the media covered like rock stars; even joined their ranks, until they were interchangeable -- all feeding like swarms of maggots on the soft underbelly of democracy. Clinton refused to play Texas politics and, to their bitter consternation, was the last man standing at the end of their embarrassing eight-year 24/7 onslaught. The harshest public criticism of the right-wing media/pundit cabal Clinton has made to date is a recent comment on CNN's Larry King show about the reception Special Counsel Robert Ray's report got when it was released showing the Clintons were innocent after a $70 million Whitewater investigation -- "They were on him like dogs in the night," Clinton said ruefully, then chuckled -- "they called him everything but a Blue Goose..." However, unlike Clinton, most opponents who dare to "get down" politically with Karl Rove rarely get up again. Rove opened the political door for the vacuous, mean-spirited George W. Bush by steamrolling popular former Texas governor Ann Richards --painting her as a drunk and a lesbian. And, in 2000, Rove proved far too wily for even a political veteran like John McCain when he roiled the campaign waters by questioning McCain's honor, integrity, patriotism -- even his mental stability. McCain's wife was a drug addict. For good measure, Rove threw in an illicit affair that resulted in an illegitimate African-American child. McCain's recent performance on the campaign trail and at the Republican National Convention leaves little doubt that he has "sold his soul to the company store," and calls to mind the 1776 admonition of Samuel Adams to those like McCain who quivered before those in power -- "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." By the time Republicans saddled up and headed into the 2000 election, the total breakdown and betrayal of fundamental journalistic principles by the mainstream media had occurred, AM radio was spewing hate like an East Texas gusher, and Karl Rove, with a string of tooth-and-claw victories under his belt, was riding shotgun on the entire herd. Rove's plan for Bush opponent, Vice President Al Gore, was simple -- "We will screw him. Do you hear me? We will screw him! We will ruin him. Like no one has ever screw him!" Karl Rove is out of control. He has gone beyond the pale and, quite possibly, beyond the law in leaks and attacks on those perceived to be a threat to the current regime. It's time for Americans -- both Democrat and Republican -- to wake up and face the truth -- we are struggling under the heel of a morally bankrupt, rabid right-wing, pre-World War II Germany facist cult. Trust me. They have no intention of voluntarily giving up the power for which they have lusted so long. They are coming at us. Coming for us. Like dogs in the night. I can think of at least 1,178 reasons why we need to meet them more than half way. We have no choice. We have one last shot at salvaging democracy as we know it. On November 2, we must jump on the John Kerry campaign Swift Boat, turn that baby around and blast headlong into them. It's too late to put the fun back into politics. However, because our young men and women are needlessly dying, and will continue to die if we remain silent, we must put fear aside and at least make the effort............... Sheila Samples is an Oklahoma freelance writer and a former US Army Public Information Officer. She is a proud member of the Order of Saint Barbara -- the Field Artillery's Patron Saint. She will accept praise and atta-boys at: rsamples@sirinet.net. Complaints and death threats should be directed to her cousin, Junior Samples, at BR-549.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 04:53:17 (MDT)

passed on with out comment.... Flight(s), I have some friends in Granbury, Texas, Doug and Tina Santiago, that very much need your prayers and words of encouragement. Doug was deployed to Iraq about six weeks ago. This past week, their daughter Valerie, who will be 18 next month, was diagnosed with Hodkgin's Lymphoma. Needless to say, Doug feels very helpless for his family right now. Tina has a web site made up for Doug where you can add a few words (which means a lot to Doug)in the Guest Book. Check it out at: http://www.dougnavy.net/index.html If you want to add your prayers, please do so....... I appreciate you taking your time to do it. Best Regards, Texas Tommy Waldrop Arlington, Texas
alvis
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 21:54:25 (MDT)

Swuuuuuuuu, Glad we got that cleared up. Everybody get up out of the rack and in formation outside for some PT....Oh.....sorry, thats the Marine Corps way;-).......did I tell all of you that I loved you yet today?...........thanks to all that has sent a card to my friend.always a brother......oh......Hey Kathrene, speak up girl:-).....mark
Mark
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 21:37:40 (MDT)

Alvis I didn't get there till 13 MAR. Thanks I was beginning to think I s@@t in the punch bowl.
"jim" (not jim westwang)
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 20:15:35 (MDT)

hey baggs, I left the unit in jan of 72,where you there yet?
alvis
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 19:50:25 (MDT)

I viewed it. i will not have nightmares.I am not sick to my stomach.( angry at those animals,yes). I have seen worse.Jim has the right to post what he wants,anyone does.The issue of beheading of Americans, by those less than human, shouldnt be tip toed around.That vidio is just another example of the extreme hatered they feel toward us and ALL christians.The issue of censorship shouldnt even be brought up.There are a few things I will not post,politics being the biggie.we all have the opition whether to view or not.Thank you for that opition jim.
alvis
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 19:44:40 (MDT)

Hi flight, where is our little sister, Melody? I have changed my eddy from kas3@ncfreedom to kas3@[delete}portbridge.com take care. J.W. Wilson
J.W. Wilson
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 19:12:16 (MDT)

Hi flight, where is our little sister, Melody? I have changed my eddy from kas3@ncfreedom to kas3@[delete}portbridge. take care. J.W. Wilson
J.W. Wilson
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 19:10:24 (MDT)

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"jim" (not jim westwang)
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 17:49:25 (MDT)

Am coming down well,thanks to Jim Baggs for clearing that up, btw, he has a right to post on here as well as anyone & am certainly not upset with Jim. Was an " assumption" made by a friend that upset me. Ray Gagner( don't give it a second thought). I am fine & she will be too.>>>>>respects to all>>>>>smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 17:34:46 (MDT)

HELLO JIM WEST. DON'T BE MAD AT JUDITH, I THINK SHE WAS LOOKING OUT FOR SOME OF US LIKE ME FOR ONE, AS FOR THE ONE WHO JUST PUT HIS NAME AS JIM SHOULD HAVE MADE IT CLEAR WHO HE WAS, FPR HE NEVER BOTHER TO SAY DIFFRENT, JIM W YOUR A FINE MANDON'T LET SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP SET YOU. I WOULD HAVE SENT YOU THIS BY E MAIL BUT DONT HAVE YOUR ADDRESS JIM DON'T BE UP SET WITH HER PLEASE. IF I WERE TO LOOK AT THAT IT COULD SET ME OFF. AS FOR YOU THE JIM WHO POSTED IT YOU SAY IT IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE HEALING PROCESS WELL WHEN THEY ARE READ FOR THAT THEY WILL. NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDED IT FOR THEM HELLO FLIGHT AND ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS HOPE ALL IS WELL TO MY BROTHER JIM W GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT AND REMEMBER WE ARE A FAMILY HERE AND WE LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER, I THINK JUDITH WAS LOOKING OUT FOR SOME OF US. I KNOW I COULD NOT HAVE DEALT WITH IT IF I HAD OPENED IT AND I AM GRATE FUL FOR HER WARNING JIM W WE ARE LIKE A FAMILY I HOPE WE ALL STAY LIKE THAT, AGAIN AS TYPE I HOPE MY WORDS COME OUT RIGHT , FOR JIM W MY BROTHER I NEVER HURT ANYONE ONE HERE ON PURPUSE FOT I TRULY CARE FOR YOU ALL, SO BE SAFE STAY WELL AND ALL WILL WORK OUT FOR THE BEST.TAKE CARE ALL A BROTHER ALWAYS. JIM AGAIN DON'T BE UPSET WITH JUDITH PLEASE. THANKS RAY IF YOU LIKE TO E MAIL PLEASE DO
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
MD USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 17:27:56 (MDT)

Yes Kal, & thanks & if anyone really looked you will note that EVERYTHING i post is always the same , my 1st & last name are on it & most are signed smitty, Taking a deep breath as advised>>>>>>smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 16:58:35 (MDT)

I James C. Baggs, 129th AHC 72-73, posted that, I have been signing my posts "jim" since I have been posting ( about 7 mo.) I thought the warning was clear enough for choice to be made. By the way the first step in the healing process is acceptance of what is.
"jim" (not jim westwang)
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 16:57:43 (MDT)

jim.. I would thing you would be madder at whomever it was that posted the note and tried to make it look as if you did.. I think Judith was only trying to look out for a few of us that need it.... Time for a deep breath and hold it for 10 seconds... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68 <n8auu (at) email . com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 16:37:35 (MDT)

judith, i am very displeased that you think it was me who posted this, to the entire flight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just because something is signed jim does not mean it was me who posted it, the thing about the beheading. I have not even seen it. I do not wish to be chewed out or talked to like a child>>>>>>damned angry>>>>> Smitty.
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 16:22:19 (MDT)

Good Idea Gently..........saw the first one and it still haunts me alwaus a brother,
Mark
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 15:20:42 (MDT)

HI FLIGHT. JUDITH TRUST ME I WON'T LOOK AT IT, I HAD A HARD ENOUGH TIME DEALING WITH ONE DEATH OF A PERSON I NEVER MENT SO I BUT I SENT HIM A DISH GARDEN , AND SOME WORDS .I HOPE IT'S WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY
RAY
MD USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 15:00:31 (MDT)

Flight-please do not visit the site Jim is sharing with us. Not for political reasons but because you will have nightmares, you will not sleep, you will be sick to your stomach.....and who needs more of that! The video was sent to me by a fanatic last week, please ignore it. Ray, do not view it...please. Judith
Gently
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 14:53:59 (MDT)

for those of you that dont think we should be in Iraq,view the site Jim just posted.They are rabid animals.
alvis
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 14:47:22 (MDT)

On the following site is a vidio download (10 to 15 min if your on dial up) the vidio is VERY GRAPHIC DO NOT VIEW THIS IF YOU ARE EASILY UPSET BY VIOLENCE, it is the beheading of one of the two Americans kidnapped last week. The first 7 to 8 min is just the head ass#@%& ranting........... http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Hostages.asp
jim
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 12:41:06 (MDT)

Thanks Gently............CUPS!!!!!!!!!.....front and center!
Mark
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 09:30:30 (MDT)

Mark, prayers and a card are on the way. So fast...things happen so fast...! Every moment is a special moment. To all, keep "Cups" in your prayers: he lives in Haiti where over 1500 have died due to hurricans. Let's pray we hear from him soon...somehow. Always-Gently
Gently
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 08:01:04 (MDT)

Thanks Gale and Debbie
Mark
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 07:54:30 (MDT)

Flight, thoughts go out to all brothers & sisters in Florida & the path of "Jeanne".Be safe! Wink, are you still hanging tuff? Mark, card's on the way....sorry. Gale
Gale
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 07:25:17 (MDT)

Thanks Jim and Sue
Mark
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 05:09:38 (MDT)

Fred Alvis, did you see the interview that ESPN did on the 39 year old freshman football player? They did it at the beginning of the season. Lou Holtz the head coach of South Carolina is from East Liverpool, Ohio.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 05:06:55 (MDT)

Mark, many know that my Jim has hereditary heart disease. Because we always knew it was possible that he inherited that gene from his mother, and then later knew for sure that he did, I have, for the most part, treated our marriage as if he could be taken from me tomorrow. I cannot even imagine after 35 years that I could not share my life with him. Ruth's death shows how quickly all can be taken from us. But then I don't need to tell everyone here that.......after all that the VietNam vet has been through. You all know how fragile life is probably more than I do. But sad news like yours is a heartbreaker. A card will be sent from Jim & I with prayers for healing from pain and peace of heart. Sue H.
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 21:01:51 (MDT)

Thanks Liz and Alex
Mark
USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 20:23:24 (MDT)

Mark, a card is leaving Memphis today from Alex and I. Please tell your friend that he and his family are in our thoughts and prayers. Liz & Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 15:55:32 (MDT)

The University of South Carolina's 39 year old retired Army Ranger, Desert Storm and Kosovo vet, college freshman, and father of 6, got into the game against Troy State tonight. He was in for the last 5 or 6 plays. I was listening on the radio and it sounded like the crowd went crazy when they realized he was in. The announcer was running down all the interviews he did last week after being cleared by the NCAA. Wonder if he hit somebody?
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 07:36:11 (MDT)

Hey Family, I have a request of you. Do it if you want and not if you dont. This guy who has worked for my dad for 40 years, lost his wife last night in an accident. We have heavy hearts in this AO. She was walking, leaving a local HS football game last night and got hit by a car. Care flighted to Ft Wayne and passed away this morning. Her name is Ruth and his is Charlie. They both were going to retire next year. I recall both of them being at Larry's funeral in 69. If you have time, it would be a kind jester from the 129th to send a card. If you choose to do so, just tell him that you are of the 129th and friends of Larry Jackson. His address is Charles Koesters,720 West Walnut St. Coldwater, Ohio 45828. She was a wonderful lady and I know that Charlie will be a broken man. We wont be able to cure his hurt, but at least he will know that there are some that he doesnt even know that feels his pain. He is a cold war Navy Veteran. God Bless him and his family. Glory,Praise and Honor be to the Father........always a brother......thanks in advance
Mark
USA - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 22:30:03 (MDT)

Gently, it took me acouple of tries but when it started shaking, I just cracked up!
Larry Kwiatkowski
Simi Valley, CA USA - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 01:29:57 (MDT)

Sunday is "National Gold Star Mothers Day." Just a reminder:>))) Me
Gently
USA - Friday, September 24, 2004 at 12:50:46 (MDT)

Scooter! I got air sick!! LOL! With a wink-Gently
Gently
USA - Friday, September 24, 2004 at 10:36:59 (MDT)

All of you need to check out this URL. Wanna go for a Huey ride? It'll bring back a lot of memories plus a grin. http://www.helicopter.org/hueyride.htm
Larry Kwiatkowski (Scooter)
Simi Valley, CA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 16:53:09 (MDT)

Information: Physicians... a. The number of physicians in the US is approximately 700,000; b. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000; c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 [statistics courtesy of US Dept. of Health & Human Services] Now think about this: Guns... a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000; b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year [all age groups] is 1,500; c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owners is 0.000181. Statistically, Doctors are approximately 900 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do". FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN BUT, ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.
jim
USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 13:13:15 (MDT)

HEY EVERYBODY, I'M STILL HERE, LOOKIN BUT NOT POSTING MUCH. I DON'T HAVE A PC AT HOME, LIKE MARK I LOOK AT WORK BUT DON'T POST MUCH, I DO NOT WISH TO UPSET THE BIG WIGS BY PLAYING ON THE PUTER TOO MUCH. MARK YOU CAN LEAVE A MESSAGE ON THE FLIGHT LOG OR REACH ME AT HOME ""912""653""3384. I'M NORMALLY INSIDE AFTER DARK, LIKE TO PLAY IN THE FLOWERS AND YARDWORK. TAKE CARE ALL MY FAMILY. JIM OLIVER
"STICKMAN"
SAVANNAH, GA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 10:19:59 (MDT)

Robbie, see if you can get the Rotor Tail chain! We can use another bidding "war" on the bracelet amongst all of you for our Christmas fund.:>))) Anyone heard from Cups? Cups!!! We need to hear that you survived! Flight, remember that the electricity is out in Haiti and will be for awhile, so keep him in your prayers and ask the Dear Lord to keep him safe. One more thing, don't forget that Sunday os National Gold Star Mothers Day...if you know one call her, or take her to lunch. L-Gently
Gently
USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 09:06:54 (MDT)

Flight: Well St. Louis Personnel Records Center has change the way you get in to review the archives. Charlie Rains informed me Tues that I couldn't get in to review the 129th records. I have to get a request form and set up an appointment and tell them why we are interested in the records. Then the board will make a decision whether or not a person can get in. Was dissappointing news. Was looking forward to seeing all the information I could find on the 129th. I got got stung on the personnel roster which 60% you couldn't read for a cost of $215.oo Larry Lackey donated towards the project. I sent Mark the most readable and hopefully David will be able to get them on the site. Charlie is getting a request form so I can try and get in at a future date. Ray once again thanks for the shirt. It's an honor to wear it. Alex
Alex
USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 08:13:29 (MDT)

As you all can tell, I really work hard at work, don't I!!!!;-)))) I'm exhausted already today.
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 07:11:08 (MDT)

If anybody wants to see some photos of the Pop-A-Top go to < www.skysoldier17.com/ > and click on the MEMORIAL link. This page belongs to Chapter 17 of the 173rd Airborne Bragade. Some of you have met these guys and their wives at the Pop-A-Top. Spence and the boys. The Pop-a-top helps sponser the page and they are kind enough to have us not only as a link to the Pop-A-Top but also a link to the 129th page. As you all are, these are a great bunch of guys who take care of me. They are the ones that always invite the 129th to the Christmas party at the Pop-A-Top each year
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 07:09:13 (MDT)

Robbie, I forgot to tell you that when Roger Austin was here I gave him the John Brookes Stone that you made. Brookes is one of our 129th MIA's. Roger was suppose to be on that ship instead of John and it has troubled him ever since. he has been in contact with Brookes sister over the years. So I dont know whether he will keep the stone for his own rememberence or give it to Brookes's sister. Either way the John Brookes stone is in the correct place now. Robbie, you da man, man. Thanks for caring so much to do such a project of the 129th Stones with the vision of getting them into the proper hands. god Bless you brother.......anybody heard from Animal lately? Always a brother
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 06:57:58 (MDT)

Snapper and Hobie, good to see your post. hey Snapper, didnt you go to Spain? Hey jim "Sticks" Oliver. Post me your e-mail address or send to me. Thanks brother, Have I told all of you that I love you yet today? Love to all. God Bless. Always a brother,
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 06:13:05 (MDT)

Hi Hobie! Good to hear from you!
Snapper
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 21:23:26 (MDT)

Greetings All…this is Hobie…I posted the Snopes article on the gas pump hoax. My last remark, “Don’t get fooled again…” was not a poke at JW, it was meant as a “caution” for EVERYONE. I work on the Internet every day. The Internet can be a very useful tool and a wonderful source of information that can enhance our lives. BUT there are also many lies, half truths, BS, faked/altered documents and pictures, scams, and “news,” that bear scrutiny before we take as truth and pass on what we see. I’ve been duped…the Camel Spider picture got me…I should have followed my own advice. No harm meant 129th…just be vigilant and “Check Six…” Thanks, Fred, I know you know.
Hobie <pavelowrider@msn.com>
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 19:44:08 (MDT)

Well flight, i've got good news and bad news. The bad news is the Static display helicopter in Mobile Alabama that I got the Cyclic stick out of for the Atlanta reunion got wiped out in the last hurricane. My buddy down there said he went by and it was flattened to the ground. The good news is he said he might be able to get me some of the remaining parts. He said he would go over tomorrow and see what he can salvage and will ship some parts to me. Home Depot? Seeing as how i'm one of the few Tony Stewart fans, That would be good for me. And Smitty like I said, I know you were just looking out for us. Ray, it was good talking to you today. Glad you got that GPS system working.....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 19:28:19 (MDT)

Hey Smitty, glad you are watching out for us. Thanks man, and dont call yourself an ass again in here or we'll have to kick you ass.;-) Well, Roger Austin has come and gone. He and his wife Donna arrived Monday night and then took off Tuesday afternoon. We had a great talk Monday evening and Tuesday I took them over to meet mom and dad, and then to the Pop-A-Top and then out to Larry's grave site. I have a picture of Roger, Billy Perri, And Elmer Holthaus from 35 years ago in Vietnam. He looked at it and then told me how odd it felt to see them then and to have visited them both in the last 2 weeks and then to be at our house. Lots of emotions came out. Roger told me what he remembered about Larry the most was that, here all us guys were over in Vietnam. It was hotter then heck and they all had sweat drenched shirts all the time. Then Larry would come along as if he had a built in air condictioner on him. He was always sqared away and every hair was always in place. That made me laugh because thats the way I remember larry. He always was slick, cool and put together all the time. Seems as if his hair would blow in to place, instead of out of place. Dang, just got a real bad rush of missing him. Gotta go
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 18:02:01 (MDT)

Lowes and Home Depot here in Raleigh,N.C. have signs on the doors, "IBMer`s Welcome To Apply at Human Resources". Retail stores can hire some "good quality people" at times like they are. And they usually stay at that job because of the "job market".
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 15:30:55 (MDT)

Don....great pix...are they from Fred, Fred? Robbie, try Home Depot, the President just came out today with a call to all "new" service men and their familes to fill out a[pps to work for them-----maybe he'd take an old timer too. Might not be the pay your used to....but it's something. And if you like it as much as our Fred, Fred, likes Lowe's, heck, next year we could build a lodge for the Kokomo gathering:>)) Gale, rested yet? Rainer and Dee-feeling OK? Ron Paye is on the road selling suits, so we won't hear from him too much for awhile. Gary Carlson-i still have "you know what." What do you want me to do with them? Thanks Smitty. Lovin' ya-Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 14:59:51 (MDT)

Thanks, & by the way i forgot the most important thing, i got an e mail from Baron (Gary Carlson) & he is doing ok. He has been up in the UP of Michigan working & no computer. Thought you would like to know that>>>>smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 14:44:17 (MDT)

Jim, you are not the "ass" and all here are glad you are a caring person. Between the viruses, worms and hoax, who can keep up? You take care, and anytime you want to be a "good guy" for Jim and I, we're grateful, as everyone here is.
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 12:13:27 (MDT)

ok, I will be the ass of the joke or whatever this time, posted that out of concern for friends, sounded like something people would do in this crazy world. Sorry if anyone got worried. things like that have been done before. later>>smitty
jim westwang 71
sheridan, wy USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 11:48:16 (MDT)

Fred, I am somewhat of an IT person if it stands for information technology. I was a field and customer support person. Helped people over the phone with problems with specific Kodak scanners. Almost all of which were production scanners. I just got back from the Secor Hardware where I purchased some stain to do my front deck, and I also put in an application. Rick,,,10-4 on the goods. Frenchie, we would like to get our bikes on the Watkins Glen track and go around also, but they keep an eye on it and chase people off when they do get on it. Besides, there are an awful lot of guard rails around that track which wouldn't be fun to hit. Well, off to staining the deck....
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 11:00:56 (MDT)

I put in the mail on monday Robbie. I Am sorry I missed the Kokomo trip this year. Hoping tomake it next year. Ttaking care of grand daughter she is sick keeping me busy****Mark did you get the tail number off the huey? If anybody needs info on other ships other than ours I n the cd on all the hueys, loh, cranes, shithooks. and 58 in RVN.Flight be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 08:27:22 (MDT)

Robbie, Are you a IT person?
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 07:46:23 (MDT)

Fred S. I'm still here and looking and posting every now and then. I still haven't found a job but am still looking. In the mean time I have 6 1/2 rows of wood 15 foot long and 4 foot high all stcked up for this winter. I have almost completed my front porch project. It is 9 foot wide by 18 feet long. I tore the metal roof off and put a shingle roof on. Removed the 12 inch square fiber ceiling tiles, and will be installing a dropped ceiling using 2 foot by 2 foot panels. Removed all of the walls down to the studs. Replaced 4 windows of which one is a 4 foot by 6 foot picture window. installed drywall and all the joint compound and sanding that goes with that. Put 2 coats of sealer and then a coat of paint. I am now in the process of putting the beams in for the dropped ceiling. Shouldn't be too much longer now. Ray Gagner, Rick and I have made the switch and should be getting the right goods any day now. How are you and Gail doing? Hope everyone else is doing good.........Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 06:50:42 (MDT)

Not to beat a dead horse, but I too was skeptical about the syringe posting that Jim Westwang had given us. Nothing against you Jim, I know you are just concerned. I sent your post to my Brother-in-law who lives in jacksonville and his reply is like the previous post. "I have heard of this myself before but not through the media in Jacksonville. There have been no alerts or warnings about this in the Jacksonville area. One point to be aware of is there is no Police Department in Jacksonville. They are Deputy Sheriffs down here. They refer to them as the Jacksonville Sheriffs Office. JSO is commonly used. Seems odd that the State of Florida and "local authorities" would ask a Captain to notify anyone by e-mail and not use television, radio and news papers. What about the poor suckers that don't have a computer? I think it is a hoax but it is still not a bad thing to be aware of. If it happened only a few people would have to get stuck before they would shut down all the gas stations in town. On 9-11 they grounded all the air planes in America within the hour. Thanks for the warning, I will be careful anyway. See you later, Bob.
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 06:34:29 (MDT)

Great to see you posting Hobie, I talked with Ron Ingermunson yesterday. He`s going to TRY to stop for a visit, when he comes back east to visit his grandkids in Maryland.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 06:11:08 (MDT)

Greetings All...read the following from Snopes.com...one of the Urban Ledgend Sites...regarding the gas pump warning: "This hoax urging caution when pumping gas appeared on the Internet in early June 2000. In common with other AIDS-infected needle scares (syringe attacks in movies houses and dance clubs and contaminated needles in payphone coin return slots), it plays upon our fear of contracting this dread disease through the pursuit of ordinary and harmless activities. "There is no Abraham Sands with the Jacksonville Police Department — someone just made up a name to make this "warning" look authoritative. No newspaper stories from that city make mention of Sands, which is unusual (to say the least) about a department's spokesperson; Jacksonville is served by a sheriff's office, not a police department; a phone call to the Jacksonville Sheriff produces the response that they've never heard of Abraham Sands; and he's not listed with the rest of the personnel on the City of Jacksonville Sheriff's Office web site. No news stories out of Florida confirm the e-mail's claim that 17 people have so far been injured by these attacks, the City of Jacksonsville Sheriff's Office says the whole thing is a hoax, and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in Atlanta maintain they are not aware of any cases where HIV has been transmitted by a needle-stick injury outside of a health care setting." Don't get fooled again....
J <pavelowrider@msn.com>
USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 15:34:55 (MDT)

flight,hope everyone is ok, i got this in the mail, sent it to a few but thought i better post it>>>>VERY IMPORTANT EMAIL PLEASE PASS ON Read this before your next gas fill-up. This world gets sicker every day! Folks: Please take a couple minutes to read this warning about Gas Pumping Handles. Warning: Look at the gas pump handle BEFORE you pump your gas. Please read and forward to anyone you know who drives a car. My name is Captain Abraham Sands of the Jacksonville, Florida Police Department. I have been asked by state and local authorities to write this email in order to get the word out to car drivers of a very Dangerous prank that is occurring in numerous states. Some person or persons have been affixing hypodermic needles to the underside of gas Pump handles! These needles appear to be infected with HIV positive blood. In the Jacksonville area alone, there have been 17 cases of people being stuck by these needles over the past five months. We have verified reports of at least 12 others in various states around the country. It is believed that these may be copycat incidents due to someone reading about the crimes or seeing them reported on the television. At this point no one has been arrested and catching the perpetrator(s) has become our top priority. Shockingly, of the 17 people who where stuck, 8 have tested HIV positive and because of the nature of the disease, the others could test positive in a couple years. Evidently the consumers go to fill their car with gas, and when picking up the pump handle get stuck with the infected needle. IT IS IMPERATIVE TO CAREFULLY CHECK THE HANDLE OF THE GAS PUMP EACH TIME YOU USE ONE. LOOK AT EVERY SURFACE YOUR HAND MAY TOUCH, INCLUDING UNDER THE HANDLE! If you do find a needle affixed to one, immediately contact your local police department so they can collect the evidence. PLEASE HELP US BY MAINTAINING VIGILANCE, AND BY FORWARDING THIS EMAIL TO ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO DRIVES. THE MORE PEOPLE WHO KNOW OF THIS, THE BETTER PROTECTED WE CAN ALL BE. Rose Lambert Chief Aide to Supervisor Gerry Hyland Mount Vernon District, 2511 Parkers Lane Alexandria, VA 2230 PLEASE READ THIS AND PASS IT ON TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK!!!! ain't it hell ????????? love & respects>>>>smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 13:06:04 (MDT)

Rick, man I am so happy for you. Good thing happen to good people eventually.. Ray, $800.00 man no wonder the wife is not happy with the paperweight. Call me let’s see if we can get that sucker up and navigating. Robbie, when I was trying to Race Motorcycles I Always wanted to Race Watkins Glen in the fall. Looked liked such a fun and challenging track. Closest I got was Rockingham. Glad everyone had a great time shuffling off to Kokomo. Will make it one year I hope. God willing. Mark, you brought sense and timing to me with Larry’s Bio. I read it at the exact time I was should have. Funny how life is about some things. Flight stay in tight formation, guns ready. Frenchie
Frenchie 68-69 <Frenchie745@(RemoveThis).comcast.net>
SAV, Ga USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 10:51:26 (MDT)

Ray, I behaved my self....but Ron Paye didn't. He never does. It was so bad this year that Gale, who took photos, cannot even post them on the site! But other than that, and his being hauled away to jail for a couple of days, it was great! Rainer and Dee showed up: both look great, but I could feel dee's wrist pain. Fred's Susie showed up on Saturday and......she's still very sassy! Had afew laughs at her expense. Mark was there w/o Dee....but she was "always on his mind." Gale baptised his brother-in-law by having him join us....he was quoted as saying "I'm never doing this again." Go figure. Fred brought his friend..he'll be back. Katherine and Rick joined us and actually hung around this year! Way to go you two! Joe met some Veterans from the 1st Log, which he served with in Nam, and is very excited about keeping in touch with them. He's not met any before...ah, Kokomo! The Master Baster out did himself this year! The food was great and there was plenty of it. The stars were out in the thousands and shooting all over the place(Don't think of fox-tails when you see a shooting star). there was even a full, very full, moon:>))). Just sitting around talking with friends-we were blessed. Quiet days and evenings with friends we are blessed to have. Mark the third week in September on your calendars for kokomo 2005. Love ya all-Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 10:28:25 (MDT)

HELLO TO ALL SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A GRATE TIME AT KOKCKMO, I HOPE NEXT YEAR WE CAN GO, BUT HAD A GOOD WEEK END. FRENCHIE I FINILY GOT ONE OF THE I PODS BUT COULD USE SOME HELP CAN YOU E MAIL YOUR PH # I NEED HELP GETTING RID OF MAPS I WAS PLAYING WITH TOSEE IF IT WORKED ONDE I GOT RID OF EVERY THING SPENT 3 HOURS WITH A MAN FRON TECK SUPORT HE HELPED ME A LOT BUT I CANT GET RID OF MAPS I MADE A ROOT OF JUST TO SHOW GAIL HOW GAIL HOW IT WORKES NOW WHEN I TURN IT ON TO MAP YHE LAST BUTTON IT STARS GIVEN ME DIRECTIONS BRIVING ME NUTS. I SPENT OVER 800$ WIFE NOT HAPPY TILL I GET TO GET IT TO WORK I WOULD HAVE SENT THIS BT E MAIL BUT DONT HAVE IT SORRY EVERY ONE. BUT THIS IS WHAT I TRYED TO GET TO WORK ON ALL WEEK END ALSO NEED TO KNOW TO PLAN A TRIP I DON'T UNDER STAND THE BOOK IF YOU CAN HELP ME I LIKE IT THANKS , BACK TO KOKCCMO GENTLY DID YO BEHAVE YOUR SELF HE HE. SO GALD IT WAS FUN FOR ALL, WELL TAKE CARE A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY RICK AND ROB HOPE YOU GET THE MISTAKE I MADE WORKED OUT DON' KNOW HOW I DID THAT SORRY. DON MILLER I GOT THE SIGHT THANKS, IAM SO GLAD DONNA IS DOING WELL, WELL GOT TO GO LOVE YOUALL. YOUALL ARE PART OF MY LIFE AND I THANK YOU ALL RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 07:55:15 (MDT)

Hey Kal, this is Gale's sister Sandy. I remember meeting you & your wife in Indy. We all sat at the same table, but No my daughter is not moving to Florida..thank God! Yea, we all live here in Clinton, a few blocks from each other. Sounds like you all had a great time in Kokomo.
sandy <sandy47842@aol.com>
USA - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 20:18:25 (MDT)

Has anyone heard anything from our Cups? Cups if you are there RESPOND
Flame
USA - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 18:41:59 (MDT)

Rick E. the package is on it's way. Sounds like the Brother's and Sisters had a good time in Kokomo. Sorry I couldn't be there. Brrrrrrr it was chilly here last night. Some area's had frost. Hope everyone is doing good..........Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 09:53:48 (MDT)

Brotherhood, sisterhood, laughs, tears, healing......................Kokomo! All in all a great weekend. Mark,it was great having you with us the whole weekend....seems there's always a void in the family when you aren't with us. Of course the highlight of the whole deal was the Huey flyover on Saturday. I wish we could find out who was responsible for that so we could send a personal thank-you from the 129thAHC. Ron, thanks for spearheading this gathering for some of us 129ther's. Later, Gale
Gale
USA - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 08:28:29 (MDT)

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Kokomo...........what a great time. It is just so great to be a part of the family of the 129th. What a feeling. I spent most the time stareing at the ground or the fire just listening to all being said. Couple times they said to me, " Earth to Mark, Earth to Mark". On the way home I pass through the home town of James Dean. Fairmont In. Just a small burg. The American Legion there has a large prop from a ship, a Phanton F14 and a UH-1H Slick. I stopped and walked around the slick several times. Looking in each window. This thing still had the all the seats,sticks,gages,engine,I spent a lot of time peering in the left rear window of the cargo door imagineing Larry setting there. Then I would look forward to the pilots area to let me eyes see the same sights that Larry did..............and I went into a dream.
Mark
USA - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 06:46:15 (MDT)

hey mark, when the new guy gets to the pop a top monday, show him this site.For those of you that know Spence from the 173rd, his health seems to be spiraling down.. wouldnt hurt next time you say a prayer,please include him. He is a great guy.You can meet him at the 129th xmas party/173rd xmas party, dec 4th of this year at Pop A Top.
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 22:01:55 (MDT)

alex, figures, I am off wensday
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 21:56:04 (MDT)

Great time in Kokomo. Didn't sleep much. Goin' to bed early......nighty night.|o}
Gale
USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 19:22:22 (MDT)

Well, another super Kokomo is behind us!!.. There is nothing like having a gathering with the familey under the conditions that we enjoyed this weekend. The weather was great as was the food and drink. As far as I know, everyone has a great time and the only thing missing was those that couldn't make it. The countdown is on for next year and it should be as great as ever. My trip down and back home went well with no problems as I hope everyones did. It was great see everyone again and I am looking foreward to next year. C U L8r... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68 <n8auu (at) email . com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 17:35:52 (MDT)

Fred A. Plan on spending thurs and fri. of this coming week in St. Louis. Getting a research ID. and seeing what I can find on the 129th. I hope to find some good info. At least with the Reseach ID I can get in anytime. Keep your fingers crossed that I can find some good and readable records. Glad everyone whom attended Kokomo had a great time. I hope everyone is saving now for San Antonio. We have about 10 months to save. Take Care All. Alex.
Alex
USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 15:09:28 (MDT)

The National Personnel Record Center that is responsible for maintaining archives of our military records is automating their storage and management of our military records. When this is complete they plan to destroy the hard copies of the records unless requested by the veteran or a deceased veteran's family to send those records to them. If a veteran or members of the deceased veteran's family wants to request those records be sent to them instead of being destroyed he/she can make a request by mail to: National Personnel Records Center Military Personnel Records 9700 Page Ave. St. Louis, MO 63132-5100 or: make the request online at: http://vetrecs.archives.gov/ When you submit your request online, a signature form downloadable from the site can be sent to you for completion and submission. The National Personnel Records Center will then send you an e-mail acknowledging your request.
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 13:38:30 (MDT)

good food,good company,good time.
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 06:02:55 (MDT)

Don, the little baby is cute.Welcome back lou, glad all went well.
alvis
USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 21:28:12 (MDT)

Ray, as soon as I get done here I will send you an E-mail with my web site addresses. Alvis, thank you I had a lot of fun putting the 5 pages together. I am working on some moreand I will add them as soon as I get them done. hope everyone is having a great time I got another letter from the VA today and was denied again. I guess I am going to have to take the paper work to them again and sit there and read it to them just so they can see the connection. (not only are they slow ...... they are blind)oh well it gives me something to do I guess. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 20:24:21 (MDT)

Hi guys, home for the weekend fromNY, I remember Roger Austin, he broke me in with Roger Strong on the right way to prepare a ship[ to sling load. He might be able to help roger strong with some information about his time in the unit
lou rags
dover, de USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 17:45:12 (MDT)

Katherine showed,with her honey as did Raineer and his misses.
alvis
USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 16:49:55 (MDT)

Rick England, or Ray Gagner. If you're looking at this, I sent you both an email. Look at that.....Damn, my ears are burning.........Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 16:46:51 (MDT)

Ray,the picture of the shirt you mailed me....I downloaded it then made a shirt for myself to wear today to LZ kokomo.
alvis
USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 09:44:25 (MDT)

grate going rick glad for you DON MILLER CAN I ASK YOU TO E MAIL YOUR SIGHT MY PURTE CRASHED HAD TO GET A NEW ON LOST ALL IN FAV PLACES THANKS, AND HOW'S DONNA DOING, IT SEEMS LIKE SHE HAS BEEN THREW SO MUCH. OUR THOUGHTS ARE WITH HER MAY SHE GET WELL SOON A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 07:38:48 (MDT)

great job Don.
alvis
USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 07:23:58 (MDT)

it's been a while since I posted this web page (click on my name below) there are 5 pages of pic's. they are of Lane field, crashes, and people. if you can come up with any names let me know. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 22:43:44 (MDT)

lz kokomo, attendees so far include,Mark Jackson, Sir Ron Payne,Joe and Gently,Kal,Gale,Myself,the Master Baster,Gales brother in law . Camp fire is burning great,cool evenings.Spence came by the campsite,brought a fellow that makes unit shirts.If you arent there, you will/are being talked about. those mentioned so far (that i can remember) are sue (both of them),Rick,Roger,Robbie,Ray,Wink,Ann,Katherine,melody,Gary,Fred,Kim,Lurch and I forget who else,,to many beers. I hope all your ears are burning,smile.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 22:26:54 (MDT)

Thank you all. Just keep up the fight. Get the DAV and your representatives behind you and keep moving forward.
Rick
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 15:26:12 (MDT)

Will i never get anything right Congrads Rick.
george marshall
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 13:32:19 (MDT)

I want to tell Jeff (Dingo Windy) that I am very sorry for the things I said about you in the log.I thought you were someone trying to scamm me with a brothers name I should have read a little farther and I would known you were who you are.I shouldn't have said the things I did and I am very sorry never would I hurt a brother.I have learned a lesson with this and hope it takes on this rock I have for a brain. Look nuckle head before you jump. Again I am sorry. A brother, George
george marshall
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 13:29:56 (MDT)

Way to go Rick........we'll toast ya at Kokomo!! Back Sunday, Gale
Gale
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 13:29:38 (MDT)

Congrads Ray
george marshall
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 13:21:00 (MDT)

killem all and let God sortem out.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 12:50:52 (MDT)

If you own or plan to own firarms you have to watch what your doing with the VA, it has been reported the VA will snicth you off to ATF if your diagnosed with PTSD. Remember we are all just a bunch of crazy baby killers.
jim
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 12:25:14 (MDT)

Congrads Rick! Sons of %$*&^% wont even service connect my ptsd.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 11:51:19 (MDT)

Slap me. Wake ME Up!!!! Received my Official Va paperwork from the VA for 100%. God answers prayers.
Rick
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 11:42:02 (MDT)

HELLO TO AL ROGER NOT SURE IF THIS WILL HELP YOU SEE IF YOU CAN GO TO A VET CENTER TALK TO ONE OF THER CONSLERS THE WILL HELP YOU RECAL THINGS, BELIVE ME THEY DID IN ME . USE SOMETGINH LIKE HIPNOSE BUT NOT AS DEEP IT WORHS AND I RECALLED A LOT. AND IT HELP THE VA GET WHAT THEY WANTED THEY WVEN GAVE ME A NUT TEST CALLED A GAF TEST I GOT A SCORE OG 40, TRY TO FIND ONE NEAR YOU. IF YOU NEED HELP FINDING ONE CLOSE TO YOU E MAIL THE CITY AND STATE YOU LIVE IN I FIND ONE CLOSE BY RICK E TOLD ME ABOUT IT, ITS THE BEST THING I DID I WISH YOU LUCK MY BYOTHER BUT TRY THEM THEY WILL HELP YOU TO REMEMBER ABROTHER RAY
RAY <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
MD USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 08:50:59 (MDT)

Correction, My cell phone is 317*345*2310, Ron
Ron Paye
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 07:30:59 (MDT)

Flight, Will be leaving for Kokomo around noon. LZ 129th is located on spot 439W. It is on the west half of the property along the north fence. We should have plenty of room this year. The semi will not be there. I will have room in my tent for one and will bring another two man tent (if I have room on the scooter). We also have a few extra entrance pass's. If you call me on my cell phone 317*856*6867 I can bring them to you. First come gets them. If coming by car you may want to bring a few chairs. You can leave them in you car, then if we are short we can get them. Looking forward to seeing everyone. Those not coming are fair game. You WILL be talked about. I will try and bring some real beer. Even have a special bottle just for Gently. Everyone take care. Love and Brotherhood. Ron
Ron Paye
Indy, IN USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 07:29:19 (MDT)

Dan, good to see your post........we missed ya! Kal, you must be confused about my niece moving to Florida. Her & Sandy both live here in Clinton. Anyways, I thought that you weren't gonna ride your bike down !? We'll find a place for you to sleep.......... We won't be there 'til later,but, we'll be there tonight!!! Packin' up & rarin' to go. Clear, Gale
Gale
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 07:16:07 (MDT)

will be leaving town (indy) about 4:Pm.LZ Kokomo,eta,5:30Pm. All be carefull in your travels.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 05:57:29 (MDT)

Hey Dan!!.. Good to see you are alive and well.. Good to see you post!! I remember Phu Heip (sp?) also as I spent a week or so there with you B4 I was Deros Shuffled up to the 129th.. Boy did I luck out there!!!.. Hey Sandy.. I was the guy sitting across from you and your daughter at the Indy reunion, and was wondering... As I remember, your daughter was going to move down near where "Ivan" came ashore, did she? and is she OK.. I hope so! Also Sandy, as I remember, you live in or near Indy, and that isn't very far from Kokomo. You ought to come on up for Saturday afternoon and evening as that is when the fun times are rolling!!.. Heck, as close as you live, that should work!!..Hey Wink!!.. Good to see you are OK down there. I understand they are about to have another shot at you though, so keep your head down!!.. Take care.. Well, I will be pulling out for Kokomo tomorrow afternoon and am hoping to find space to throw my sleeping bag as sleeping on the bike won't work. Gale, I may try camping out under your truck...Anyway, I hope everyone is doing well and hope to be seeing lots of you in Kokomo!!.. C U L8r... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68 <n8auu (at) email . com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 22:03:20 (MDT)

Hey Dan, good to see your post. I knew you were always reading out there.. A wake up and then Kokomo. See those attending tomorrow night. Traveling mercies be with you. Always a brother
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 21:28:53 (MDT)

Fred, I was also at Phu Hiep with the 192nd at the end of '67. I drove a duce and half on a one-truck convoy over the hill into Vung Ro several times to pick up 2X4s for building material. Some kind of a shallow draft boat filled with 105 rounds would allow us to enter the hold and remove the 2X4 shoring material between the stacks of shells as they off-loaded. Hot work and the ride was a little scary. I remember crossing a bridge made of the floats like you see in movies of WWII. I showed a photo of the bay that I took from the road leading into the bay to one of my co-workers one day. He said he lived in one of the hooches in my photo at the time I was there. Small world. By the way his name is Bob Skaggs.
Dan Hertlein
Sumner, WA USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 21:05:03 (MDT)

could not of said it better my self kokomo......thank u Gently , and as always thanks to my buddy Mark. I should have mentioned that I am in touch with the DAV and they are a tremendous help, but they can't put the memory back intp my brain...that is where i need you. since I have posted this afternoon i have received a ton of e-mails helping and offers of encouragement. as a team the 129th can not be beat. i was so overwhelmed that i cried. you guy's are the best. I still have allot of issues inside that must be delt with but there is one thing i can depend on that is my buddies. As it is difficult to type i will have to go. my right hand does not work much anymore. i was able to find some of the items in the archives. there were mention of some noterized letters, if i could get my hand on some of them it would help. Lou i know you were battleing this as well. thank you for being my friends..roger email: strongfamily1@cox,net
Roger Strong <strongfamily1@cox.net>
Sandsprings, OK USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 17:59:20 (MDT)

could not of said it better my self kokomo......thank u Gently , and as always thanks to my buddy Mark. I should have mentioned that I am in touch with the DAV and they are a tremendous help, but they can't put the memory back intp my brain...that is where i need you. since I have posted this afternoon i have received a ton of e-mails helping and offers of encouragement. as a team the 129th can not be beat. i was so overwhelmed that i cried. you guy's are the best. I still have allot of issues inside that must be delt with but there is one thing i can depend on that is my buddies. As it is difficult to type i will have to go. my right hand does not work much anymore. i was able to find some of the items in the archives. there were mention of some noterized letters, if i could get my hand on some of them it would help. Lou i know you were battleing this as well. thank you for being my friends..roger strongfamily1@cox,net
Roger Strong <strongfamily1@cox.net>
Sandsprings, OK USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 17:58:05 (MDT)

kokomo weather update... sunny fri(75),sat(75),sun,(76),lows are from 53 to 60.Susan will be with me saterday only.Hope to have an airborne friend with me friday,he has never been to any reunions before.I will at least introduce him to Spence and his group,altho his is a different unit. Good luck on the ptsd,they say you have it but you have to prove how you got it...thats a dog chasing his tailWe certianly didnt get nam ptsd at the airport in chiago.
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 14:23:36 (MDT)

Roger, please email my friend Tim, a Vietnam Veteran, and DAV Representative, to see if he can help you. timjschneider@sbcglobal.net Tell him Judith Singer sent you:>)) Gently
Gently
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 13:36:09 (MDT)

WEll 129th, Looks like we are on call today. Our brother Roger needs our help and I know we can do it. I have seen it happen often in here. Those of you who have gone through with the VA and the such over getting PTSD qualified lets crank the rotor blades and get the job done. Roger, hang in there, the 129th is on the way.
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 12:54:22 (MDT)

Hi guy's I have been gone for a while. Allot has happened in the last few months.....i have been awarded SSI disability benefits. And have moved to a smaller place. I will not be able to work any more. so my Wife and I thought it best to downsize. I am having allot of trouble with the VA ( imagine that) i have been examined by t doc's both say i have ptsd and now th eva wants proof. well as it goes one of the ptsd sysmtoms that i guess i have used is memory. I cannot remember any detail on the issues that caused this. I am in a delima, doc's say I have it VA wants proof, and i can not remember squawt. I have little recconition of names and places....I remember faces sometimes butehll, that was a long time ago. I remember getting some e-mails from some of you that were wanting information severa months ago. but honestly, guy's my memory is so bad about that part of my life it is awful. my Parkinson's has advanced and I do not get out of the house much any more. I have quit driving as well. so Hopefully I can keep up with what is going on in the flight log. guy's i need some help here. my mind is a blank doc told me that was my way of dealing with this trama. At one time we were all team mates and we depended on each other to get a job done and to watch each others back sides. Well, that is where I am today, I need your help. On another subject, this is how far I am in the VA process; it has been established that i was exposed to agent orange the following have been established hypertension on medication diabetes II on medication sural sensory neuropathy and no service connected is Parkinson's My civilian doc says it was probably because of the agent orange but that has not been determined by the VA. I am sure that most of u guys have been thru this hell with the va and any help or informatio will help me. If you can see clear, please e-mail me. The DAV is helping me with all of the paper work but they can not help me remember only you can ......please e-mail me so I can get this going. as we used to say in the unscheduled maint. team "SnowSnake MF" I am sorry i have been gone so long. the srtess of SOcial Secruity thing and Moving, Selling my home that i loved, etc. got me down so bad i sort of went inside and did nt want to come out. well thanks to my sweet wife i am outside again. I will talk to ya later. Roger STrong
Roger Strong <strongfamily1@cox.net>
SandSprings, OK USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 11:35:53 (MDT)

Be careful boys. ;>)
Gently
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 10:15:56 (MDT)

Mark Mark Errrrr, Mark.......I'll flip ya for the best seat. Talk about "rally round the flag(pole)" Some of my photos might be too X-rated to show! ;o] Gale
Gale
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 09:35:34 (MDT)

Duh Duh errrr errrrr. You You got got so so excited excited you you studdered studdered in in here here. Gale Gale, you you see see where where errrr errrr says says she she is is going going to to do do some some flag flag pole pole sitting sitting. I I hope hope it's it's brezzy brezzy out out !! !! :-) :-)
Mark Mark
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 09:16:26 (MDT)

HELLO ALL JUST WANT TO WISH YOU ALL A GOOD TIME AT KOKCAMO HAVE FUN ONE DAY HOPE TO MAKE IT OUT THERE. TAKE CARE ALL BE SAFE STAT WELL TAKE LOTS OF PIC. LOVE YOU ALL RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
MD USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 07:54:53 (MDT)

Dah! Errrrr :>))
Gently
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 07:18:25 (MDT)

The menu for Kokomo is Ham on Friday and Turkey on Saturday, per the Master Baster, who is already there. And yes, do bring something from the food tree to share. Something good! Last year Gale brought 1 bag of Oreo cookies, Fred, Fred brought Suzie, and Mark brought t-shirts.....needless to say, we were pretty hungry! Sandy, I'm not on Gale's side, don't worry about that! Mark is because he's afraid of him, and Fred, Fred is because Gale brings Oreos. I on the other hand cannot be bought. I wish you could join us and help me string all three of those guys on the flag pole! Great news on Ivan, Wink!. How are the rest of our hurrican effected friends holding up out there? Joe and I, and the Donut Dollie, Em, will be leaving Friday morning right after the POW-MIA service at the VA, for Kokomo. Gettin excited! Smiling-Judith(Errr, Gently)
Gently
USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 07:17:47 (MDT)

yup, put my glasses on, an ivan laught himself right up the coast. to honest i don't think this area could of taken another hit. i haven,t played golf for almost three weeks. most of the course is still under water. i hear the pro shop might bring in rafts so we can play.season not over yet. i was out on the road today an a cattle truck passed by, did that jog some memories. who out there remebers . just a thought. you all have fun at kokomo an be careful of the flag pole,some have thorns on them. wink 3/69-10/70 from 010 with love
wink
lake wales, fl USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 23:03:55 (MDT)

Hey Mark,just kidding about Gale. I like to give him a rough time....
sandy <sandy47842@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 22:23:53 (MDT)

yea, I knew you guys would stick by Gale! He was really mean to me when I was a kid!
sandy <sandy@47842>
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:51:29 (MDT)

I mean gravity...Doiyyyyyy
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:41:29 (MDT)

Sandy, No wonder Gale treats you that way:-))))......That will not be the order of events. First thing that works on me in the morning is gavity.
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:40:45 (MDT)

Mark, I hope you eat breakfast BEFORE you use the porta potty! Sounds like you people will have a good time. Enjoy!
Sandy <sandy47842@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:34:55 (MDT)

Ha, OOOKKKK Sandy, Actually I'll be thinking about just tring to get out with out fainting. I'm a wimp. WOW, no kidding, talk about the power of suggestion. Setting here I sence the smell of the deorderizer they use in them things.
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:27:24 (MDT)

Hey Mark, Gale has treated me like this all my life! And think of me when you use that porta-potty!
sandy <sandy47842@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:15:38 (MDT)

Gosh Gale, Can't believe you treat your sister like that. Tisk,Tisk,Tisk! Sandy Nutin' better then I love is the smell of bacon and eggs in the morning over a camp fire, and the porta potty. What more comfort can ya ask for. SWIFFFFFFFFFFF, AHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Emmm, Emmmmm Good!!!....uaaaaaaa, I think I just grossed myself out.
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:07:48 (MDT)

OK Bro...but I asked you a few weeks ago & you said no because you are taking your brother-in-law and you didn't want to take me to a motel later so that I could sleep in comfort!!! I'm kidding..you all have a great time!
Sandy <sandy47842@aol.com>
Clinton, In USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 20:15:23 (MDT)

Hey Sis, you had your chance last year, but, couldn't "ruff it"!! ;o))) Rainer, go north on Hwy 31 and turn right(east) on Hwy 26 at Indian Hts. See you there! Just a reminder for Kokomo.....it would be nice to bring a sidedish, dessert, chips, etc.if you plan on eating there on Sat. evening. It helps the "Master Baster" & his crew out. Errrrrr, sounds like that flagpole is gonna get a workout! Robbie, wish you could be there. Clear, Gale
Gale
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 16:56:24 (MDT)

Hi everyone, This is Sandy.....Gale's sister. I was in Indy at the reunion. Get on Gale this week-end because he wouldn't take me to Kokomo with him!! :)
Sandy <sandy47842@aol.com>
Clinton, In USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 15:24:56 (MDT)

Rainer, everyone in town will be able to tell you how to get there:>))) And when you get there, look for me. I'll be the onehelping Fred push Mark and smart alek Gale up the flag pole at our site. ERRRRR
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 15:24:56 (MDT)

Can someone tell me the road the Kokomo event is being held on. I know about where it is just not sure what road we turn on, Is this old age kicking in or what. Rainer
Rainer Bauer
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 13:45:21 (MDT)

We wanted to do that Mark, but no one is sending Americans over to Europe on ex-pat basis. They`ll send them over for a week or two, but not much longer, they got a pretty big muslim population in Europe. And I think most American companies know we are into something long term in the Mid-East. So why send a American, when they can out-source most IT and High Tech stuff to India. They`ll work for 10 thousand dollars a year, with no benefits. So you come to conclusion,"All Good Things Come To A End". So you down shift and change your priorities and click your heels three times and say, "There`s No Place Like Home". Mark...Kim works for the French, and you KNOW they aren`t going to do us a ANY favors. More than likely, they hate the day that hired my wife.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 13:13:00 (MDT)

Whoa !!! This party is gettin' better & better !! You know how Errrr gets at parties....anything goes. LOL Gale
Gale
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 12:40:15 (MDT)

Robbie, Yepper that's Roger........Did I tell you all that I loved you?....Fred S. I must of missed something. I thought awile back that you and Kim were headed back to Holland to live. Seems I recall you mentioning that in here. What happened to that?.Your right, I was in your neck of the woods. Went right by Sawmill Rd....Thats probly what happened to Ivan. Wink scared it off course with those glasses.......Gale, is that one of those cameras you can see the picture right away? To bad we cant print some of Eeeeeer and sell at Kokomo pin ups, or dart boards, or pest controll, or kindeling, or scary things. Better yet we could run a print of it up the flag pole. heck, better yet, lets just run Eeeeeeer up the flag pole.
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 11:39:32 (MDT)

Mark, give Roger a big hug for me when he gets there. Also, get on the web site and go to the gallery and #6 of my pictures the second one down. The guy in the blue pajamas and hat is Roger. You guys and gals have a good time at Kokomo.....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 09:35:20 (MDT)

Mark, the reason I ask where you went in Columbus, was because you were in my neighborhood. If you would have got off on Sawmill Rd. exit, and went north on Sawmill, between Hard Rd. and Powell Rd. There is a "gate community" called Heather Glen. We were the 3rd family to buy and lot and build a home up there in 1991, 6111 Ashleylynn Dr. I sure miss that place. The in-laws are coming down here in October, and we going to have "serious" conversation about coming home to Ohio. We`ve decided it`s time to "get out of the fastlane". Kim will finish her MBA at Meredith College( small Catholic all female)school in another 4 classes. Then we`ll try to find a little piece of land between the city of Delaware and Columbus, build a modest little home. Spend the rest of our time taking care of our parents. It`s football season in Ohio, and I`m homesick......But Ohio State will be in town this week-end to play NC State......scalper`s are asking $300 a ticket.....I`ll stay at home and order PPV for $14 and not get shot......They started a new thing down here at NC State......My team don`t win...I`ll shoot you.....Not Really....But a Camp Lejune Marine and his buddy got killed in the NC State parking lot after the game couple of weeks ago.......The boys that shot them were brothers and attended NC State.....I felt sorry for their mom........Senseless
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 09:19:36 (MDT)

Flight, best of luck goes out to our brothers & sisters in the gulf area. Keith Letson & Don Whigham, keep your heads down. Wink, looks like you may have been spared from "Ivan". What did you do...stand on the beach with your glasses on & scare it away???? HHeehehehehheeee !! Don, I'll have a digital camera with me for some "action" shots. I may have to edit / delete some of Errrr Gently if she gets on the "sauce" again. ;o) Give our best to Donna, I hope she's feelin' better. Clear, Gale
Gale
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 09:13:35 (MDT)

Mark, do me a little favor will ya'? give Roger a big hug and Howdy from me. it's been a long time since I've seen him. 34 years as a matter of fact. he was quite a guy then and I am sure he is still. I'll have to go thru my pic's and I'll bet I can find one of him in there somewhere. Y'all have a safe and fun weekend. remember I WANT TO SEE PIC'S !!! Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 22:01:18 (MDT)

and the lake there is beautiful,as well.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 21:49:51 (MDT)

Robbie, sounds like you had a great time at the Glen. Glad you liked Larry's Bio. Hey you and some of the others might recall this guy who will be stopping in Coldwater next week. His name is Roger Austin, from Maine. Was with the 129th samw time Larry was and ran with Robbie, Elmer Holthaus, Billy Perri, Bud Rainey anhd the likes that new Larry. Do any of you recall him? He has a real Maineish accent. He say to me, "Mock, How de ell ya duhin" He was in charge of collecting rocks for the pool at the 129th. Roger will be here Monday after Kokomo. He was just out visiting Billy and is going to stop in Kansas to see Elmer now.....always a brother,
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 19:22:52 (MDT)

Mark, I really enjoyed Larry's Bio. Good Job. I spent this last weekend at Watkins Glen at the Antique Car show and races. It is touted as the largest ever in the United States. Myself and 3 friends have been going there for the past 4 years. They race pre WW II cars and porsche's and corvettes and mustangs and camaro's and M G's and Triumph's and just everything you can think of. Mini Coopers, 4cyl, 6 cyl, 8 cyl. There were 2,3 wheelers too. Jaguars, Pantera's, 55 chevy's, there was a car called a Singer, and suprisingly didn't look at all like a sewing machine. The theme this year was M G's and there was every year and every kind of M G you can imagine. We spent 3 days looking at beautiful old cars and watching a lot of them racing. There is a spot on the track that the Narscar guys don't drive on and that is called the boot. We ride our bicycles through fields to get over there to watch and the sound is unbelieveable. They come screaming down a straight a way and into a sharp curve which goes right around you and then up another straight a way. When those V8 Corvette's and Camaro's and Mustangs come through there it makes the whole pace vibrate. The weather was great and we did some drinking had bon fires and it was great. I hope everyone else is doing good.... Rob
Robbie
Rochester , NY USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 15:29:43 (MDT)

.info on POW/MIA's www.powmiaff.org/ Mark
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 06:38:29 (MDT)

Rick...........Good one man. A smile first thing in the morning sure makes you feel good. Thanks man...Today is POW/MIA day. Show your support by flying their flag if ya have one. If ya dont, get one. These POW/MIA's are not just missing one day a year. They are missing 365 days a year. For more info on POW/MIA's good to Sue Householder.....I saw your penny at Larry's. Thanks for visiting him and straigtening the flowers up babe............always a brother,
USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 06:37:41 (MDT)

Working people frequently ask retired people what they do to make their days interesting. Thought you might like to see what happened to me last week. I went to the Wal Mart the other day. I was only in there for about 5 minutes. When I came out there was a city cop writing out a parking ticket. I went up to him and said, "Come on, buddy, how about giving a guy a break?" He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. I called him a Nazi. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having worn tires. So I called him a piece of horse shit. He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first. Then he started writing a third ticket. This went on for about 20 minutes. The more I abused him, the more tickets he wrote. I didn't give a shit. My car was parked around the corner. I try to have a little fun each day. It's important at my age.
Rick
USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 00:18:36 (MDT)

I went by to visit Larry on his birthday. It was a sunny day, blue skies. Warm temps. I drove to the small cemetary outside Wabash. I was alone. I left the car running, with a Dionne Warwick cd playing "Walk On By." I don't walk on by any longer. I stop and look at the world around me. I marvel that life is full of twists and turns that eventually unite us all in one way or another. Larry is not forgotten. I straighten the tiny flags on the sides of his stone. I adjust the flowers that the wind has made crooked at some point in time. I take a penny from my pocket and put it next to his name. A penny for remembrance of a life that was over too soon. I silently thank Larry for allowing me to meet his brother, Mark. I know he realizes that I hold all the members of the 129th in high regard. Because of him, I have met many courageous and brave men in that unit. Isn't life strange? But isn't it also grand? Thank you Larry...and...a Belated Happy Birthday. Here's to you...
Sue Householder
Celina, OH USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 22:43:36 (MDT)

Jim and Sue....Yeah. Good way of putting it. I like that. Love you both. God Bless.
Mark
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 21:16:39 (MDT)

.....like ripples in a pond, Mark, ever continuing outward. Have a great time at Kokomo. Wish we could be there.
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 20:53:15 (MDT)

Fred S....actually I went to a place called Steering Specialist. They reman steering gear boxes for over the road, long haul trucks. I think they reman boxes for just about anything. It was just off the bypass at Westerville on Rt 3. They have stores all around. If I were to go to one of the stores that you mentioned I would go locally. Usually we stock just about anything for anything, just happened to be that we used the box we needed the day before and hadnt got it back yet. Dad has well over a million dallors in parts in stock. He calls the place a "One Stop Shop". Our wreckers have witten on thier booms, " If we cant get it,forget it" :-).....Gently, thanks for your kinds words. I often do stop at times and am in awe at the wonder of it all. Meaning the web site. It sure has reached a lot of people. I never dreamed it would get so big. Started out as just a thought. Amazing......always a brother.....KOKOMO, YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Mark
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 20:35:11 (MDT)

Mark, when you go get parts in Columbus, do you go to the NAPA Warehouse on RT.161 or 3-C Auto Parts. I was assuming auto parts.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 16:41:16 (MDT)

Kokomo attendees-remember that the Master Baster(Ron Coppersmith) has just retired so make sure you shake his little postal service hand when you get there. :>) Phew! I'm still blown away by the weekend. Gently.
Gently
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 15:17:30 (MDT)

Mark, I'll see you Friday night. Looks like we may have enuff 129th people for a short meeting!? gale
Gale
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 12:44:40 (MDT)

Praise and Glory be to God for allowing this web site to bring this family together. Aint he sumpin':-)............I'll be Koing you in Sekomo.
Mark
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 12:30:10 (MDT)

Amen to that, Gently! Sue H.
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 09:48:56 (MDT)

257-Larry(or should I say cool dude), thank you for stopping in. Your visit touched all of us, especially those of us who didn't know you. Say "hi" to the "others" for us and let them know they also live in our hearts. And Happy Birthday to our other 129th family members:>)) Maybe we shouldn't post our ages:>)). LOL! I haven't really digested all of last Saturday yet, there was so much. So much. But the most miraculous part of it was to have Jim, our 129er, with us to be with Ann, our new sister and widow of Tom Shaw, a 129er, on Larry's birthday, as we went to honor our "fallen," on the day that was also the day of the 257 crash. Just think about that for a minute. I do not believe in coincidences. Rather, I beileve we are all very, very blessed to part of Mark's dream, this web site created to honor his brother and the rest of the 129th AHC. God bless you Mark, my brother and dear friend. In the name of Larry.....look what you've done! It's unbelievable-Gently
Gently
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 07:27:59 (MDT)

Those poor folks in florida.Talked to my mom yesterday. she is still( and all her neighbors) without power( forecast to come back on thursday) and fresh water. She and the folks next door have the only two generators .People there are cooking over fires,using the woods for "personal hygene issues".Its hot and humid,no one has airconditioners.The good news is that there is plenty of gasoline now,the army reserves and guard units are still passing out fresh water and other supplies.My uncle,that lives in melbourne fla.,lost his roof( the shingles).Seems that they did a temp. repair.suppose to last about 6 months.The waiting list for a new roof in that part of florida in ONE year.Lets hope the newest hurricane misses all those already hurting.Wink, keep your head down and best of luck to you and yours down that way.Larry Lackee,looks to be headed your way in georgia.
alvis
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 05:33:08 (MDT)

kokomo weather up date,long range forecast. RAin Thursday,sunny friday and saterday.Saterday's high of 78,low of 58.
alvis
USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 05:20:17 (MDT)

Gently, thanks for the offer of trying to find that patch, I hope you do that would be great. However, I think I have something worked out. I will most likely have some made from the picture with dimensions I have gotten from two people. If anyone would like one can I get a soundoff this way I can figure out how many to get made. Either post your desires or e-mail me at ragonese@delaware.net. I am not asking for anyone to commit, i am just trying to get an estimate of how many I should order. Happy birthday Larry.
Tom Ragonese
Dover, De USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 23:18:53 (MDT)

Ann, glad you got the picture, i remember riding all the way to milwaukee hoping the glass wouldn't break. Welcome home. Today is my sisters 52nd birthday & the day i remember was the crash of 257. Slow salute to honor their memory. I know it is confusing as it is Sept 11 on one side of the world & Sept 12 on the other side so i looked at the Picture i took of Larry Jacksons' grave stone when we were together there this summer & it says Sept 12 1969. No mind, but my sis birthday is what i use to remember, she was 17. Hope everything was great at Kokomo ,wish i could have come. Hope all involved in this Hurricane thing remain safe & sound (when will they stop). See a lot of stuff on c-span today.Vietnam Vets at the capitol,protesting Mr. Kerry. No big opinions from me as i get confused by it all but just saw it thats all. in my eyes Today is for remembering 257, its' Gallant crew & not that other stuff. Respects; smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 21:37:53 (MDT)

Saturday was indeed a beautiful day at the Highground. What a neat place that is. The grounds are getting more and more beautiful as they mature. There was a stack of stones waiting to be placed in the walk. These stones as purchased in honor of or in memory of veterans. The stones are about 12" square and carry a brief message such as the unit, name, rank, etc. or in some cases "father, son, husband" etc. It will be quite an experience when all the area possible is covered with veteran stones. And what is it about the 129thers - that we can pick each other out in the blink of an eye even though we've not seen each other before. And the instant connection! It was good to share this important time with Ann, Joe and Judith. No wonder those of you who has been to the reunions, Kokomo, and on this website for a longer time call each other "family". The more Jim & I experience it all, the more connected we feel. And those chimes with the names of the fallen Wisconsin soldiers add to the importance of the bronze statue showing an Army nurse, Native American and two other VietNam soldiers. When Jim gave Ann the 129th patch, it was important to him as well as for Ann. With Joe's prayer, and Judith's thoughtfulness to bring a garland to wrap around the soldier's shoulders, who could not be touched. Oh, boy....you have us hooked! The blessings continue to mount as we lean on one another. Have a great week everyone!
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 19:33:55 (MDT)

well said Ann.
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 16:31:08 (MDT)

Gale, SSgts Outler and Diva retired and live near Ft Bening and were in HHg Company. Ssgt Edward Mardis was in 129th and is listed on contact page might remember their first names because he serve with them several times. Others in 129th Was the Dr , Capt Gary Scott Nye who lives in Califorina {{Eddie has his address and phone number],Robert Gravlee, who was from Florida, Willie Ray Orum {Humble, Texas], Joseph Volpe {New York city}. Tom Hammonds {Indiana or Illinois} and two new guys came in about a week before I left. One last name was Corbin and the other had a Spanish name that i can't remember
J.W. Wilson
USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 15:40:58 (MDT)

The skies were clear, the sun was warm and strong,and the day was picture postcard perfect at the Highground in Wisconsin. My second visit to the site was made most memorable by sharing it with new found comrads, Sue and Jim, Gently and Joe. We got down on our hands and knees to find my husband's name on the windchime memorial, with a little help from the visitor's center directory. Joe led us in prayer and we placed a patriotic garland, which Gently had not surprisingly brought along, across the shoulders of the bronzed soldiers. It felt so good to stand with others who cared as much as I. It was 34 years after the fact, but not too late for me. The picture of my husband that rode with Jim Westwang all the way to this year's reunion found its home at last! Jim and Sue gave me a 129th patch and Judy gave me a 129th pin. Both are treasures. After hugs in front of the memorial Joe pressed a medallion into my palm. It spoke of the angels among us. Now I think I know why they call her Gently. Just wanted to share one of the miracles of this website. Thanks everybody. Ann
Ann Buslee <abuslee@centurytel.net>
Ladysmith, WI USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 10:01:10 (MDT)

J.W., do you remember the names of the medics that stayed at DBT when you went to Lane? Thanks buddy......how have you been? You've been kinda quiet in here for a while, but, I knew you were reading. ;o) Gale
Gale
USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 22:47:09 (MDT)

Hi Flight, Gale, the medics at the dispensary in Dong Ba Thin were made up of members of headquarters co 10th BN, 17 TH GROUP, First Aviation Bge, the 130th Med Det {117th assult Helicopter Co}, and 433rd Med Det (129th Assult Helicopter Co}. Usually, three medics of 433rd stayed with the unit in forward area and Doctor with 5 medics stayed at Dong Ba Thin. When the forward unit moved to Lane in May of 67, the three medic that came to Lane Were Ricky Koebel, Leslie Paul Garrison and myself. There was a dispensary already there staff with medics from the company we replaced there. {They had left Ft Bragg about two months before. I don't remmember the company number or detactment number there. I was there about 6 weeks and I usually took patients to hospital in Qui Nhon or put the clorine in the water tank.
J.W. Wilson
USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 15:34:57 (MDT)

Was just stopping by to see what was going on in the website. Hope everyone is doing will and are safe! Take care! Bill Wolf
Bill Wolf <sndgowolf@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 14:49:58 (MDT)

rendering a slow,respectful, hand salute.
alvis
USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 14:37:08 (MDT)

Happy birthday Michael. Flight, too many cobwebs..........what company were the medics at Dong Ba Thin & Lane Field with? Would they have been in the 433rd med det or am I confused? J.W., would you know the answer to this? Gale
Gale
USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 13:37:14 (MDT)

The great way is without difficulty save for picking and choosing. For only when you stop liking and disliking will all be understood. If you want to get to the plain truth, be not concerned with right and wrong the CONFLICT between right and wrong is a disease of the mind.
jim
USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 08:46:35 (MDT)

In rememberence of the crew of the "257"...........Stephan De Santis,Richard Sawran, Stephen Hargrave, Larry Jackson...............Happy Birthday Michael
Mark
USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 08:10:14 (MDT)

Tomorrow September 12 will be Michael H Shanlely's birthday.
katharine
USA - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 06:03:02 (MDT)

Happy birthday Larry....................................
Gale
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 22:50:02 (MDT)

Thanks Larry, see you again in Kokomo.I will "pop a top" for you.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 22:05:21 (MDT)

Hey, hey everybody. Hope all is well with all. All is well here. I see we are to post Bio's. Thought I'd better get mine in before my birthday comes and goes. Not that I care what age I am:-) I love being this age!(I'll explain later) I look at it this way. Man starts to get older from the very first breath that he takes. So to me, getting older is old stuff, and doesn't affect me at all...........Born in the state that is high in the middle, and round at the edges. 1948. Small town. Kind of like that Mellencamp song. Small family. #2 of 4. Younger sister died at 9 months old in 1954 with complications from birth. 1 brother older, 1 brother younger. Was always closer to my younger brother.Matter of fact, still am. We go and do everything together. Our older brother is a smart guy and liked school. School and me never did get along. Just wasn't cut out for it. Knew that I would have a job in the family busniss, so quit school at 16. My dad used to call me and my budies hoodlums. Shoot, I just did what every other red blooded American young man did back then. Patterned my life around Jims Dean, a young Marlen Brando and Elvis. Friday nights we would put on our white tee-shirts, slide into our skin tight blue jeans, put on our boots, put on our black leather jackets, flip the couler up, put a hand full of "Wild Root" hair cream in(remember that white stuff, mom used to buy it by the gallon with a push pump on the top), put a hoot owl wave on both sides in the front, and a duck tail in the back, put a pack of smokes in our sleeve, put gas in the 56 ford, got beer, and headed out to Egdewater Park dance hall. Look for a fight to start, fight, and then go back in the dance hall and drink beer with the guy you just got in a fight with. Ha:-) Ahhhhh, the good ole' days..........Here's a lil' story about the greased down hair and my younger brother. One of my friends and I bought some "Sears SilverTone" guitars. The kind that the case was the amp. Remember them? They are worth a lot of money now. Jay Giles playes one is his video "Freeze Frame"...anyways. My friend and I stopped trying to learn how to play the guitar and our little brothers picked them up. The Beatles were getting big back then so our little brothers started a band. They washed the Wild Root out of their hair and let it dry and hang down like the Beatles. When my friend and I saw them we said, "you guys look like the Shaggy Dog", (a movie at the time) Needless to say, their first band was called the "Shags". They were pretty good. Matter of fact, they both still play and have been in numerous bands together. Both have written some pretty good songs.......anyways...back to my Bio......Where was I, oh yeah, quit school at 16. Got my girlfriend pragnent the same year. She was 15. Gave birth to a little girl. We got married. We were to young and didn't have a clue about what marriage was all about. Had lots of fights. My drinking didn't help any. We were on and off for 3 years. Didn't have to go to the service with our daughter and being married. Since we were having so much trouble with the marriage, I thought a separation for a while would do us good. I enlisted in the Army. Boot camp, Ft. Eustis, Vietnam by December of 68. Straight to the 129th. I recall a lot of you that come in here. Door gunner right away, and Crew Chief soon after. You all know the rest of my duties with the 129th because you have all done the same........... Well,thats about it, oh, about time I have spent in between then, and now. It couldnt have been any better. Matter of fact, it's been Heavenly. Tomorrow is 9/11.hummmmmmmmmm.........bad day for mankind. God Bless those all involded in one way or another. Tomorrow is 9/11, my birthday, hummmmmmmm, to you I am 56. Tomorrow is 9/11, hummmmmmmmmm, 34 years ago tomorrow, it was also my deathday. I have been, and will always be, forever 21. That is what I ment when I said , time does not affect me. Who wouldnt want to be 21 forever. Right girls:-)..... Please dont morn for me. I am healed and well and full of life. I pray by the hour for all of you, for it is you that is still bound by time. And time is always coming to an end. I love all you people and am the proudist of all to have been in your presence. I anxiously wait until we will be together again. Mark, your deeds do not go unoticed. I am very proud of you.Always a brother.................
LARRY (Pop-A-Top)
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 21:45:46 (MDT)

gale, I typed in-- army mos 36k20-- and came up with -- vietnam era, tactical wire specilist. field wire,and from what i could gather,helicopters also. The first site I went into listed lots of downed helicopters,dead guys,all vietnam related.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 20:09:02 (MDT)

Alex, are the rosters you have "hard copy" or are they on some computer type file ? if they are like a pdf, or something like that, send me a copy and I may be able to help come up with the names that are hard to read. if you have a scanner you might send me a jpg. of it. I'm not saying I can read better than you but anything in the 3/69-3/70 time frame a partial name may jog my memory a little and I can come up with the correct name. (if you understand what I mean there)Y'all have fun next weekend ......... I WANT TO SEE PIC'S. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 19:18:34 (MDT)

Flight, can anyone tell me what mos 36k20 is? Thanks, Gale
Gale
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 16:20:12 (MDT)

Good evening Flight: Mark tried to scan the personnel rosters with Larry's name on it. But, they are not clear enough. I will send you all that can be read. I got ripped off on the quality of this work. The guy didn't spend much time and effort on this important project. I am planning a 2day trip to St. Louis and get a research ID. I can go through all the files and know excatly what I'm looking for. This has always been an inportant project to me. Also working with Charlie Rains on a Huge project that might help us find more of our 129th Brothers. Glad to see all is well on the log. Have to make plans to make Kokomo next year. Ray Gagner was great talking to you. WINK another one heading your way. And the rest of you on the east coast be careful. Ivan looks to be a nasty big brother to charlie and frances. Just be careful Brothers and Sisters. Alex
Alex
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 14:51:05 (MDT)

Fred, my friend, we're not going to the "Wall." Rather, a memorial to our fallen Wisconsin Vietnam Veterans. If we were going to the "Wall" we would be honored to carry out your request. Honored. See you in a week:>) Ga da-Gently
Gently
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 13:46:45 (MDT)

Good commo in here. Not really a rally for any side, just discusion. Fred and Kim, glad to see you two posting again.Fred A. Very interesting info about the "NAMES" Kokomo in week. Looking forward to it. Camp fires, flags all over the place, bands, venders, eats,brotherhood,belly dancing,fartin' round,hugs, tears, laughter, moments of silence, thoughts of "what if"........DINGO, please return to the FLIGHT LOG BOOK and yack it up with us.Fred S. just got back from Capital City way. Had to run to Westerville for some parts. Love how they have got 33 all fixed up now. Take care all, always a brother,
Mark
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 11:48:14 (MDT)

Breathe deep......I think I heard that somewhere in a Moody Blues album!!! Alvis, I read a book titled: A Better War, by Lewis Sorley. He mentions a number of blown opportunities to win, as late as 72!!! Unfortunately, after tet of 68, the only thing our politicians were interested in doing was getting out, while avoiding the 'soft on communism' charge!!!We deserved better, just as our troops do now.....I don't look at the neo-cons as Republicans, just a bunch of maggots who have managed to wrest control for the time being. I always get a kick out of their"defend the shores, deliver the mail, pass constitutional amendments to outlaw certain behaviors (that scare them), and get out of our lives!!! I guess we don't need, " public roads, airports, air traffic control, libraries, Universities etc.....I particularly love their diatribe against "weak kneed liberals"!!If I'm such wuss, why do they fear me and folks like me? I got into a bit of a political brawl some years ago, and a guy threatened to get some freinds together, and come down to my house and lynch me. My response still stands, let me know when, I'd hate to get hung because I ran out of bullets!! To date, they haven't shown up! Bunch of asswipes......While I'm at it, Zell Miller can kiss my c****!!! We 'liberated' that country quite a while ago, they don't want us there any more, either we kill the folks who are ambushing us, or, we should get to hell out!!! This stupid 'surround the mosque, back off, surround the mosque, back off' stuff needs to stop!!!!
Kim
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 11:08:19 (MDT)

Fred, are you familiar with Vrung Ro Bay? It was a supply receiving post I think!!! But when I was at Phu Hiep, they use to get mortared, and we could see all the flares and gunships working out. I was never there, but I heard of it.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 09:34:35 (MDT)

facts about the wall....Largest per-capita Loss Beallsville, Ohio (pop. 475) gained unwanted national notoriety between 1966 and 1971 by having suffered the largest per-capita loss of life in the Vietnam War. Six young men lost their lives in the war, a terrible and profound loss for this small town. Highest State Casualties During Vietnam, West Virginia had the highest casualty rate in the nation, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. The state had 711 casualties -- 39.9 deaths per 100,000 people. Oklahoma had the second-highest casualty rate. Names on the Wall The youngest Vietnam KIA is believed to be Dan Bullock USMC, at 15 years old. At least five men killed in Vietnam were 16 years old. At least twelve men killed in Vietnam were 17 years old. The oldest man killed was 62 years old. Approx 11,500 KIAs were less than 20 years old. Veterans killed on their first day in Vietnam 997 Veterans killed on their last day in Vietnam 1,448 Number of Chaplains on the Wall … 16 (2 Medal Of Honor) Number of Women on the Wall … 8 (7 Army, 1 USAF - 7,484 served) SGT Robert Davison of Muskegon, Michigan joined the marines at age 14 and died in Vietnam December 17th, 1966 at age 18. BUDDIES: Steven E. Amescua and Anthony J. Blevins joined the Marine Corp on the buddy plan. Steven was KIA May 15, 1968 and Anthony was KIA August 23, 1968. BROTHERS: Brothers Charles L. Tank and Philip L. Tank of Ecorse, Michigan were both killed in Vietnam. Charles on April 19, 1969 Philip on September 12, 1968. Brothers Kenneth F. Olenzuk and Paul G. Olenzuk were both killed in Vietnam. Kenneth on December 25, 1967 and Paul on August 10, 1968 Brothers Marlin Chris Eversgerd and Norman Lee Eversgerd were both killed in Vietnam. Marlin on March 19, 1967 and Norman on August 18, 1968 Brothers Gabriel Trujillo and Paul Trujillo were both killed in Vietnam. Gabriel on February 15, 1971 and Paul on November 04, 1971 FATHER AND SON: Richard B. Fitzgibbon Jr. was killed June 08, 1956 his son Richard B. Fitzgibbon III was KIA September 07, 1965. Leo Hester Sr. Died March 10, 1967 in a aircraft crash his son Leo Hester Jr. was KIA November 02, 1969 also in a aircraft crash. Number of living whose names are etched on the “wall” in error? TWELVE!
alvis
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 08:46:08 (MDT)

hey gently ,ann and sue. When you guys go to the wall,look at panel 01 west,line 02 and please say a prayer for those 4 brave crewmen from the 60th ahc,kia april 18th,72.They died in the Vrung ro pass,just south of tuy hoa. Becker,Stover,wiggins and herman. thank you. wo strothers and crew will be found on the same panel,line 8.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 08:43:28 (MDT)

WELL
jim o
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 07:10:59 (MDT)

Geez.
Gently
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 06:59:11 (MDT)

Brother Kim,....Take a deep breath.....breath out.....Relax.....My Brother......Because when I was a Republican..... The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned - and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today's. Sadly, Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor. As kid, John F. Kennedy fascinated me, so as I grew older.....I changed my mind....I wanted to be affilliated with the party of Kennedy. Today in "political jargon" that`s called a "flip flop".......Republicans today portray us Democrats as embittered academics, desiccated Unitarians, whacked-out hippies and communards, people who talk to telephone poles, the party of the Deadheads..........This gang of Pithecanthropus Republicanii has humbugged us to death on terrorism and tax cuts for the comfy and school prayer and flag burning and claimed the right to know what books we read and to dump their sewage upstream from the town and clear-cut the forests and gut the IRS and mark up the constitution on behalf of intolerance and promote the corporate takeover of the public airwaves and to hell with anybody who opposes them. This is a great country, and it wasn't made so by angry people. We have a sacred duty to bequeath it to our grandchildren in better shape than however we found it. We have a long way to go and we're not getting any younger. Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I have spoken my piece. It's a beautiful world, rain or shine, and there is more to life than winning........Sorry....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 06:39:30 (MDT)

chuckling in a pleased way.Welcome back Kim.Benard,in his book "street without joy" told of american generals saying the war would be over by "65".You,of course, are correct in stating that without changing our politics and mid eastern policies,this too will be a street without joy.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 05:23:31 (MDT)

It's IS SO AMERICAN....shoot the messenger!!! The problem isn't what Kerry said, the problem is that no one in power had the guts to prosecute the war the way it should have been fought, in order for us to win!!! That war was lost long before Kerry testified.......Companies are classic examples of autocratic rule, CEO is an idiot, company goes bankrupt, someone else steps in and makes whatever widgets that company couldn't. WE supposedly have a government which welcomes dissent, and in fact is based on a 2 party system where one party has to automaticly take the opposing view of a proposal, in order to promote debate, which supposedly will lead to a decision which best satisfies the governed. We are NOT employees of our government, the government is supposedly employees of US! IN my humble opinion, congress has totally frigged up our system of government, because the powers that be are more interested in winning, than promoting reasoned debate.btw....why doesn't anyone remember that it was Walter Crankcase, right after tet, who announced to America (and the rest of the world) that we weren't winning, and couldn't win, as long as we waged the war the way we were!!!...I suppose that no one was supposed to point out the shortcomings of the m-16, because to do so was giving aid and comfort to the enemy???...hell, Billy Mitchell was courtmartialled because he dared to prove that an airplane could sink a battleship!!!How many lives did he save by doing so???...were all the people who hacked up the Tuskeegee airmen branded as traitors to America's fight in ww2? They should have been...but...that was different, right?...btw...I sent an email to Senator Snowe of Maine, telling her how pissed I am about our prosecution of the Iraq debacle, I feel that as a veteran, I have an obligation to say my piece about doing things that keep our soldiers in a position to achieve their mission, and return in one piece! As long as we're in a 'for us or against us' mindset, we might as well forget about trying to win their 'hearts and minds'!!!
Kim
LIvermore, Me USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 22:18:11 (MDT)

Put away your personal biases and listen to what the POW's have to say; they were the most directly affected by Kerry's traitoress antics. These are is just opinions from some sage old fighter pilots. These excerpts ought to be mandatory viewing by everyone eligible to vote. http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/samples.asp
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 19:50:09 (MDT)

Abe's concept a 140 years ago was right on. What was true then is true now. "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" (President Abraham Lincoln).
alvis v v a k
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 19:45:09 (MDT)

pills? you have pills? hey old buddy...just kidding,that life is behind me.( mostly)
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 19:31:35 (MDT)

Should read all sorry Dingo not the first mistake I've made.george
gmarshall
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 15:52:43 (MDT)

Alvis I have talked to dingo windy via email during my quest for statements.He or She said that they would send me a statement .Then ask for some of my pain pills I said I couldn't do that.Needless to say no statment ever showed up ?????.
gmarshall
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 15:49:50 (MDT)

Gale dug alittle deeper than I. he is (dingo),indeed,a brother. thanks Gale.
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 12:34:00 (MDT)

Sue, already working on one that says, "I served." I think I'll go with yours also:>)) Thanks-consider it done. Loving ya-Gently
Gently
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 12:22:59 (MDT)

I got a window sticker that I really like from Disabled American Veterans : "Freedom isn't Free". Looking forward to meeting Gently and Jim and Sue Hendrichs at the Highground this Sat. I'll be in a T-shirt with America on it...like everyone else! Ann
Ann Buslee <abuslee@centurytel.net>
Ladysmith, WI USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 11:13:07 (MDT)

Wish I could find a car magnet that read "I support our veterans" Is there such a thing? Sue H.
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 10:05:10 (MDT)

I enjoy comparing baseball and football: And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values....... Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game......... Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle......... Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!!!!!!!!!! Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium............ Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.......... Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying........... In football you wear a helmet......... In baseball you wear a cap........... Football is concerned with downs - what down is it??????? Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up????????? In football you receive a penalty.......... In baseball you make an error............ In football the specialist comes in to kick......... In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.......... Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness............ Baseball has the sacrifice........... Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog........... In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play............ Baseball has the seventh inning stretch............ Football has the two minute warning........... Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings............ Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death......... In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness........... In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being......... And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:............ In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line................ In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!!!!!!!!!
Fred I. Skaggs
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 09:36:03 (MDT)

copy that Fred. Will check it out
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 08:58:26 (MDT)

I typed in that dingo windy nic and came up with crafty gal web site,out of california.Mark, perhaps this person should I.D. themself before anyfuther action is taken.Truely, I hope it is a brother,but lets be careful here.If anyone goes to that site,dont type in your real addy,that african addy harvester ( mombo mumo) guy goes in there as well.If this initial check out offends anyone,my appoligies,but I am just trying to be careful.
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 08:25:15 (MDT)

Sue, the meeting will be getting over around two and then the pot luck begins. Figures you two would show up after the work is done! LOL!!! Can't wait to see you again and to met Ann. Lou, did you get the word on the availabilty of the patches? Our VVA Chapter is selling the yellow "Support Our Troops" and the black and white "POW-MIA-we will never forget" car magnets as a fund raiser. They're five dollars-let me know if you want one, either, or both. Loving ya-Gently
Gently
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 07:15:02 (MDT)

Ann & Gently - Still planning on Saturday at the Highground. We probably won't get there until about two.....we use Saturday to catch up on all the "stuff" that doesn't get done during the week, dontcha know. Ok, Judith - I'll recognize....Ann - how will I know you? lol I thought about telling you that I'll be the one with the "flag" on my t-shirt, but then I figured most everyone will have something patriotic on! We're a loyal bunch to the USA! Oh, I know....I'll be with the good looking vet with the grey hair....oops, there might be a parcel of them, too! lol We'll figure something out! Looking forward to seeing you both. Sue H.
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 06:29:50 (MDT)

DINGOWINDY,,,,,,,,,I am at fourfour@bright.net
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 06:17:10 (MDT)

DINGOWINDY!!!!.......this is Mark, Will you please e-mail me at with more info about Larry and you, and the patches. More so of Larry and you. Have we met? I will take care of the compulsiveness of your computer:-)always a brother,
Mark
USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 06:16:02 (MDT)

dear mark, some how i goofed and placed some information in the flight log and it is in there 4 or 5 times in a row. at the top. need only for it to be there one time,and i can't figure out how to get get rid of the other's.they all say the same thing,would you or could you delete all the messages except ONE??if nothing has changed they are the first 4 or 5 of the same information.please help also my heart goes out to you and your family i flew with your brother several times,i was with the 129th. thank you for any any help you might give me in my stupid errors stay safe and watch you six no anti venom hisser dingowindy@hotmail.com and you probably got 2 or 3 of these sorry
hisser <dingowindy@hotmail.com>
milledgeville, ga USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 04:56:51 (MDT)

dear mark, some how i goofed and placed some information in the flight log and it is in there 4 or 5 times in a row.i need only for it to be there one time,and i can't figure out how to get get rid of the other's.they all say the same thing,would you or could you delete all the messages except ONE??if nothing has changed the are the first 4 or 5 of the same information.please help also my heart goes out to you and your family i flew with your brother several times,i was with the 129th. thank you for any any help you might give me in my srupid errors stay safe and watch you six no anti venom venom hisser dingowindy@hotmail.com
hisser <dingowindy@hotmail.com>
milledgeville, ga USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 04:52:31 (MDT)

you all must excuse me,but on some of your chat's some of you have mentioned what i perceive as patches for the 129th of the correct size.these i can obtain of the correct size and coller and what i beleave is the same material,or very close.washed mine dozens of time and they still hav'nt faded or started to fray,any how,be as it may.e-mail me and i'll send them to you,and no you don't send me any thing unless your totally satisfied with it.all i do ask is to please send a self addressed stamped envelope.no check or money or any kind crap like that.i am way above ripping people off.don't have the desire to.and don't have the time......(flew with the 129th in 69 and then sum,and am on my last flight with that shit we all fondly call agent orange.i can aquire the cobra patches and the others.but please be advised,these are not the real mcCoy they are computer generated.and i can just about promise you,you can't tell the difference. anyway,if interested my e-mail is dingowindy@hotmail.com stay safe and watch your six no anti venom hisser ps...does spelling count?? pss....do not put hisser in front of my e-mail
hisser <dingowindy@hotmail.com>
milledgeville, ga USA - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 03:00:45 (MDT)

Well, it's Kokomo me baby, Kokomo me right Kokomo your daddy, I'll be back tomorrow night....... Cryin' I, baby don't you want to go, down to that livin' light city, sweet old Kokomo.... Well, it's Kokomo me babe, Kokomo me twice...... Kokomo your daddy like you did the other night....... Cryin' I, baby don't you wanna go, down to that livin'ice city, sweet old Kokomo...... Well, I ain't never loved, baby, hope I never will 'Cause the way that you been lovin', gonna get somebody killed...... Cryin' I, baby don't you want to go, down to that livin' light city, sweet old Kokomo
Isaac Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 17:19:08 (MDT)

GOD BLESS YOU RAY......Keith 72-73
Keith 72-73
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 14:43:21 (MDT)

HELLO TO ALL ONCE AGAIN I MISS READ AND DID NOT UNDERSTAND I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT STEVE HARGRAVE BROOKIE IAM SO SORRY BUT I GET SO CONFUSED AT TIMES HECK MOST OF THE TIME FOR GIVE ME. AND TO THE REST IAM SORRY RAY
RAY
MD USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 14:28:39 (MDT)

HELLO BROOKE I JUST READ WHERE YOU WROTE TO ROBBUE ABOUT STEVEI , IAM RAY ANS STEVE AND CAME INTO NAM ABOUT THE SANE TIME WE WERE GOOD FRIENDS AND HIS DEATH SHOCKED NE REAL BAD, I GUES THINGS HAPPED BUT IT HAS BOTHOTHER ME EVER SINCE FOR OVER 35 YEARS, AND I STILL HAVE A HARD TIME TALKING ABOUT NOW THE STONE ROB TALKS A BOUT I HAVE IN A GLASS CASE IN A FRAME WITH BLACK VELVET AROUND IT I ALSO TOOK HIS CANDEL FROM LAST YEAR. IAM SOORY BUT NO ONE COULD FIND HIM, YHESE THINGS MEAM THE WORD TO ME AND AS I WRITE THIS TO YOU BROOKE I HAVE TEARS IN MY HEART AS WELL PAIN IN MY HEART FOR YOUR LOST. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HARD T TRYED TO FIND A HARGRAVE IN IL. I JUST HAD THESE SOME TEE SHIRTS MADE UP IN MEMORY OF THE CRASH BUT I USED 9 11 FOR THAT WAS THE DAY HERE BUT IF YOU E MAIL ME WITH YOUR SISE I WILL BE MORE THAM HAPPY TO SEND YOU ONE I SEND YOU A PIC FRIST A LOT KNOW ME HERE BUT ME AND STEVE WERE GOOD FRIENDS AND TO THIS DAY I FIND IT TO TALK ABOUT. MY CONSLER AT THE VA SAID WHEN HE WE TALK ABOUT THE CRASH AND HIS NAME HE SEES TEARS IN MY EYES IAM NOT SURE IF THIS SOUNDS RIGHT LOTS HAPPEN TO ME AFTER THE FRIST ANN OF 9 11 IAM NOT EVEN SURE IF IAM WRITING TO THE RIGHT PERSON NOW IF IAM PLEASE WRITE ME AT STILLWATING@AOL.COM I SEND YOU A PIC OF THE SHIRT I HAD MADE UP AND I GET ONE OFF TO YOU ASP JUST TELL ME SISE OK THEN I SHOW YOU HOW I NOUNTED HIS DTONE IT SITS ON MY PUTER NOW IAM SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOST BUT SO HAPPY THAT A RELITVE OF STEV HAS BEEN FOUND PLEASE WRITE ME AGAIN I MAY HAVE THIS ALL MIXED UP ALL KNOW ME HERE JUST ASK ROB OK RAY DON'T MEAN TO BE A PAIN BUT ALL KNEW HOW I FELT ABOUT STEVE I TOOK HIS DEATH REAL HARD SORRY SO LONG AND LOTS OF MISPELT WORDS I HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU IF YOUR THE RIGHT PER SON IF NOT SORRY TO ALL
RAY <Stilwating@aol.com>
STREET, MD USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 14:06:51 (MDT)

Robbie....I sent your post in here to to Brooke earlier today. Sure would be nice to make it to that gathering in Waterbary.........you get that job yet?.......I should be in LZ Kokomo sometime Friday night..........inbound
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 13:51:39 (MDT)

Don, that's great news about Donna. Like I said before you two deserve some good luck for a change.. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 13:42:27 (MDT)

Errrrr Gently, you are just full of "it" today aren't you!? We'll see who gets the last laugh ......;o} Rick, gonna miss ya! I should be at LZ Kokomo at about 7 p.m. Friday. I'm ready !! Don, we like the good news. Hope that takes care of it....tell Donna hello for us. Clear
Gale
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 13:32:47 (MDT)

Brooke, My name is Lloyd Robinson, but everyone in the unit calls me Robbie, or Rob because of my last name. I was in the unit the same time as Stephen was. I was the crewchief on Bulldog 265. Mark Jackson's brother Larry was the crewchief of 265 when I got there, and I flew as his door gunner for 2 months. We became good friends and comrades, and Mark and I have a special bond because of this. We were all saddened when we heard the news about the 257 crash the morning after it happened. I didn't know Stephen that well, but had flown with him a few times that I can remember. The reason I'm writing to you is that this year, I painted a stone for each of our Brothers that were lost while in the unit. (37 in all) I took them to the reunion in Indianapolis, and people that knew or were related to the guys took the stones with them. I did bring 18 of them back with me and Stephen's is one of them. If you would send me your address, I would mail this to you. It is certainly nothing great, but came from my heart for all of the guys. If you want to send your address to my email address, it is bulldog265@bluefrog.com Rob.
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 08:23:17 (MDT)

Brooke and Sarah-welcome to the family. Please stay with us:new people are finding this site everyday, just like you two did, and if you don't get any immediate information on your loved ones, that is not to say it won't happen. Also, we need afew more women on this site: I get tired of watching the guys dance with one another at our re-unions:>) Don! Beautiful! Robbie-your brother might be getting stronger:>))! Smitty-we love ya! Sue H and I are going to meet Ann Buslee(Tom Shaw) this weekend, expect a photo:>)) Lou and Tom-hang in there. Rick cannot join us in Kokomo again this year, but I've got him on Gale's dance card for the re-union in June. The Master Baster will be arriving in Kokokmo early this year, having recently retired from the Post Office(like our own Gale)and having lots of time on his hands, so who knows what delight he will create. Ron Paye will also be there early-practising his "moon" I'm sure. 1000:>( Love to all-Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 07:29:43 (MDT)

Don, that is great news. Praise God for the grace of healing hands. Smitty, Brother, You hang tough man. Thinking of you a lot.Wink, glad to hear from you, but dont stick your head up to high. Looks like ya got more incoming. Lou Rags, did ya get my mail? and George Marshall,I sent you a e-mail also. Kokomo soon, still gonna make it. Rick England, hows it going out there brother. Ray, got the photo of the shirt:-), I like it! Robbie, I love you man. Thanks for the photos of you and the grandkids. Good luck on that job ineterview. Fred Skaggs, small town Coldwater, 2-0 in football. Hope it will be another run to the title. We lost to many in the last game in the last minutes.take care all, God Bless.always a brother
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 06:59:00 (MDT)

Hello flight, well GREAT NEWS. Donna is home, they let her out at 3 this afternoon. it looks like the leg is doing fine and we have a handle on the infection so we are on the road to recovery. totals for this year ........ 63 days in the hospital ...... 29 days this last go at it. the nurses were a hoot ....... I thought there was going to be a fight over who got to take her down to the car. till the head nurse said she was taking her. and every nurse on the floor had to give her a hug and tell us good by. one even chased us to the elevator because she was busy when we left the nurses station. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 02:36:01 (MDT)

well made another one .frances was not as strong as charlie but it stayed around a lot longer, of course on the east coast when it made land fall it was stronger than when it rolled in on central fl. three days of heavy rains an wind. didn't think it would ever stop. alvis did you hear from your family down here. hope they'er ok. gently, chichen blood hey, sounds good to me . maybe it will counter act the meds i take, heeeeeeee thanks i needed a good laught.[[[ smitty hang in there brother, want to see you at reunion next year. stay safe all wink 3/69-10/70 from 010 with love
wink
lake wales, fl USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 22:22:31 (MDT)

Sorry to say that all I have read today and past few days tells me nothing has changed I am sad to say .My heart goes out to those who are still losing loved ones. A Salute to all of our Fallen Brothers. George
gmarshall
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 19:42:24 (MDT)

Here is Brook's e-mail address...............bsodon06@holycross.edu.............
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 19:30:10 (MDT)

Also got this recently......anybody near this might be able to attend?????....Or anybody that knew Stephen De Santis. AC of the "257" the night it went down, contact these people please ******************************************************************************************* Anyone know anything about Stephen DeSantis? > Brooke O'Donnell > West Hartford, Ct USA ******************************************************************************************* Hi Mr. Jackson, I am sorry that it has taken so long for me to write back to you. This summer has been exceptionally busy. I appreciate you taking time to contact my family regarding our mutual tragedy, i am sure it still must be difficult for you. My mother, although she would still like to get information about steve, still has great pain concerning his death. She also had three other sisters who would be interested in info and would like to hear from anyone who knew steve. I would also like you to know rhat on September 12th of this year one of stephen's high school classmates iniated a project for a helicopter memorial for steve in paticular and for all U.S military members and vets in general. The memorial is being sponsered by the Waterbury vets memorial committee. The dedication is on the 12 of september at Veteran's memorial park in Waterville, CT. If any of the members of the 129th would like to come or if anyone has any thing they would like to share please let us know. If you would like to share this on your site please feel free. I hope to hear back from you soon. Take care, Brooke O'Donnell ******************************************************************************************* Hi Mr. Jackson, I am sorry that it has taken so long for me to write back to you. This summer has been exceptionally busy. I appreciate you taking time to contact my family regarding our mutual tragedy, i am sure it still must be difficult for you. My mother, although she would still like to get information about steve, still has great pain concerning his death. She also had three other sisters who would be interested in info and would like to hear from anyone who knew steve. I would also like you to know rhat on September 12th of this year one of stephen's high school classmates iniated a project for a helicopter memorial for steve in paticular and for all U.S military members and vets in general. The memorial is being sponsered by the Waterbury vets memorial committee. The dedication is on the 12 of september at Veteran's memorial park in Waterville, CT. If any of the members of the 129th would like to come or if anyone has any thing they would like to share please let us know. If you would like to share this on your site please feel free. I hope to hear back from you soon. Take care, Brooke O'Donnell
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 19:28:18 (MDT)

Got this today in the mail. Sent address to webby and thought I would post it here also. Anybody recall Millard? If so, contact him. Mark ******************************************************************************************* My name is Sarah Thompson-Alford and I would like to add my father to your list. I'm not sure if you would remember him or not but he has asked me to try and locate some of you guys on the internet. I was directed to this website because 129th is the info that my dad gave me. I'm not sure the exact dates of his stay in Vietnam, but I'm certain he was there in 1967. I also found his name on your roster. He would be very pleased if any of you wanted to contact him. Below is his contact information. Millard Thompson Rt 2 Box 178 Harts, WV 25524 (304) 855-7653 emails can be sent to sthompson25701@yahoo.com Thank you,,,,,,,,,,,,,Sarah Thompson-Alford
Mark
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 19:19:08 (MDT)

Another thing on the news today, a M-88 towing a tank, followed a while later by a picture of some Iraqi? holding a piece of a road wheel. I guess they figured out a way to knock one out! Why is it that the military spent a lot of years convincing poor young people to join the reserves in order to gt a semi free education, and now we send reserves to fight. It seems to me to be the exact opposite of whathappened in our war. I think we all spent a lot of time listening to the war hawks talking about how the press never bothered to show all the 'good things' we were doing in Nam, and I'm hearing the same pap today. I don't think we're doing any more than making targets out of the iraqi's who dare to help us, just as we did the south vietnamiese. I think we're witnessing the beginning of a civil war over there, and the outcome won't be what our politicians and military leaders planned.....Question, as ex soldiers who went through this once, do we have an obligation to point these things out, and try and convince our leaders to avoid the trap, or, just sit by and say nothing? Just wondering...what are your views?
Kim
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 18:54:45 (MDT)

To Rick "Rebel" Smith and others in the West Palm Beach area, "Keep your head down, 'cuz another one's coming!". Fred Skaggs: Gov't Mule and BB King are headliners at the Telluride Blues and Brews Festival this year. Smitty, get well buddy!
Dave Powers
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 16:59:05 (MDT)

Sad Day! Slow hand salute to the 1,000 dead GI's in Irag..................................... ............................................................................................. .............................................................................at ease. I normally turn the news off....I wish I had today. :o(
Gale
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 16:40:54 (MDT)

All: How could i forget the most important thing; Those on our list of Kia's, Those on the Wall, & those who have passed since support us from above in a way in which we have no clue, but they are with us. My highest respects go to Them (all gave some, some gave all)>>>Smitty
Jim Westwang 71-72
Sheridan, Wy USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 12:52:10 (MDT)

Robbie & all, thanks for your thoughts, blood sugars have been out of control lately, as ya'll know there are a lot of things wrong with me ( Bill French & i are about the same in the physical disabilty dept). I was rode hard(by myself) & put away wet for a lot of years. But i ain't gonna die yet. Sure appreciate the support I have gotten here & my thoughts & prayers are with those who are ill, recovering from surgeries & those in Florida or even close to there. There are so many storms, its hard to keep up with the news. Pray that you all get through it as well as possible. As far as i am concerned, thats what the real meaning of this site is: those of us who are not on our beloved KIA list or on the Wall helped support each other through that damn War, it remains with all of us, i know me every day. I believe it is our duty & my Honor to support each other the rest of the way. I aim to do it!!! >>>>> love, admiration,respects; >>>Smitty
Jim Westwang 71-72
Sheridan, wy USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 12:44:56 (MDT)

I got a message from errr Gently saying that Jim Westwang is having a bit of trouble with his health concerning diabetes. Jim, my thoughts and prayers are with you Brother. I hope things work out and you start to feel better. It was good riding with you and the others this summer before the reunion. Don Miller, I saw in a post from you that Donna was back in the hospital. I'm also thinking about her and hope you both start to have better health and luck. Ray, how are you doing? Not getting any higher than your sneakers are you? My Brother has had a couple of Chemo treatments now, and he said he didn't feel as sick this last time as he did the first. Not sure what that means, but it's sure better than getting sick after a treatment. I hope the rest of the Flight is in good health....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 10:31:07 (MDT)

Tom, someone may still have the patch and could take a good photo of it for you. Those of us going to Kokomo will keep an eye out for one. And again, congrats to your parents! Bonnie, my deepest heart felt sympathy goes out to your family for the loss of your son in law, and to his immediate family. Please try contacting the National Alliance of POW-MIA Families to see if they have some ideas that may help you in your search. I don't know their exact web address but try just typing in what I typed here. More Gold Star Mothers and Gold Star Wives....too sad. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 10:29:47 (MDT)

"Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.".........PRICELESS!!!!!!!!.........http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06540712.htm
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 07:49:18 (MDT)

I certainly can capture the picture, however, is the picture the corect dimension of the patch itself? I had thought of that but I just wanted to make sure that if I did that I would be geting an acurate patch made. I am not a perfectionist but I like to try to keep things as close to it as I can. Alvis, if you or anyone can confirm that for me then just say so. Thanks.
Tom Ragonese
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 04:35:18 (MDT)

I cant help but think about all the Moms/wives and family members that went thru this very same thing when they recieved news of their sons/husbands helicopter.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 03:17:33 (MDT)

Hi , I am desperately seeking any information or assistance that I can get in validating a plane accident that involved my son in law. He supposedly crashed off of the azore islands on june 27 th. 2004 in his f-18 fighter plane. One pilot saw the plane disapear in the clouds and noone saw the crash. mInimal debris was found that might justify a ejection or part of the plane. Can your agency help me with photos of the azores on june 28 th. or the information on contacts that might be able to help us. Our family is devastated and we need closure in either debris from the crash or some more informaation. While the military has been very helpful and they searched the waters they never searched the azore islands. Can you help me please. any and all help is welcome and rewards are offered for information leading to the recovery of anythign relevant. Bonnie Burke.
bonnie burke <kbburke@optonline.net>
locust valley , ny USA - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 13:05:03 (MDT)

tom, can you not click on the pic, then print it? If you dont have a printer, most libarys charge a pitence for the service.
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 08:16:00 (MDT)

Tom, can you not click on the pic,,then print it?
alvis
USA - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 08:13:57 (MDT)

Hello everyone, It has been a while since I have posted but I wanted to ask about the SnowSnake Patch that is displayed on the Web site Main Page. I had inquired about it several months ago but no one responded, hopefully someone will this time. I would like to try to get some made, Whoever has one, if they are willing to send me an actual size photo I would apreciate it, because I am sure there are not many originals left. I can be reached at ragonese@delaware.net. Also a belated congradulations to my parents Lou and Mary who celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary.
Tom Ragonese
Dover, DE USA - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 02:08:58 (MDT)

wink, put the flashlights,candles ,beer and wine in a room without windows,
alvis
USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 22:29:46 (MDT)

Gale...did you get the pic's I sent you? Keith 72-73
Keith 72-73
USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 14:13:14 (MDT)

Hi guys, just wanted to envite you all to visit our chapyer web page at www.skysoldier17.com Also don't forget the xmas party coming up dec 4th. Motel phne is 419 586 4919 meal will be at pop a top. $7.00 each tip included. snacks at pool party. 129th and 173d xmas
steven m spencer <spence00@earthlink.net>
elida, ohio USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 11:28:20 (MDT)

well looks like lake wales is going to get another direct hit agian 2nd in three weeks. alvis my head is down, everything is put away.its not surpose to hit until around midnight. after that my elec. an phone will go down. after charlie it took four day before i got elec. an phone back. i think this time it will take longer. at least i,ll have my cell phone 863-370-0633, well wish me luck wink 3/69-10/70 from 010 with love
wink
lake wales, fl USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 11:07:00 (MDT)

Am watchung the news closely,Mom lives just north of Daytona, Fla.My aunt,thats one year younger than myself,lives in Melbourne. She has gone back to tenn,Knoxville, while her husband,A nam vet and a pow,is staying with Mom and her Husband to make sure they are ok. My Mom lives somewhat inland,so there isnt any danger of tide flooding,but all the rest of it will hit the area tomorrow. Wishing all our southeastern friends and family the best of luck, keep your head down wink.
alvis
USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 07:12:45 (MDT)

HELLO FLIGHT TO CP JUST REMEMBER YOU ARE NEVER ALONE ON HERE WE ARE ONE BIG FAMILY HERE WE ALL CARE ALL WILLING TO HELP TAKE CARE MY BROTHER BE SAFE DON'T FOR GET NO ONE HERE IS EVER ALONE WE ALL SUPORT EACH OTHER RAY
RAY
MD USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 15:25:49 (MDT)

FLIGHT, C.P. HERE...... I AM JUST BLOWN AWAY..... I JUST RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM ONE OF OUR "BROTHERS" WHO BECAME WORRIED ABOUT ME;..... I DON'T THINK I SHOULD GIVE HIS NAME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT MIGHT EMBARASS HIM...... I HAD MADE A COMMENT OR TWO IN AN E-MAIL ABOUT IT BEING A BAD DAY AND THAT I SHOULD BECOME A HERMIT........ THIS "BROTHER" TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO CALL AND CHECK UP ON ME, TO MAKE SURE I WAS OK..... HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH ME, AND A LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALL..... MAKING SURE I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE....... THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE...... USUALLY, HELL, NOT USUALLY, ALWAYS BEFORE, WHEN I GET THESE MOODS, I HAVE TO WORK IT OUT AND TAKE CARE OF IT..... MYSELF....... NOT EVEN FAMILY CAN HELP WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF....... BUT TODAY, A "BROTHER" CAME TO HELP...... I AM NOT ALONE RIGHT NOW...... THIS IS ALL I WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW....... THANK YOU BROTHER, GOD BLESS YOU...... KTF
C.P.
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 15:07:35 (MDT)

Funniest home videos, eh, Ray! Remember, I know where you live. L-G
Gently
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 14:05:34 (MDT)

YUCK!!!!!!!on Ron wear nutin' but chaps............uuuuuggggggggggggg:-(((((((((((.RAY.am not getting any pictures from you. Send them in a jpep form. I dont think that they is a Torro engine. That just might be the name of the blower. Probably has a Briggs and Straton on it. I may be wrong about all this though.How old is the blower Ray? Alvis in chaps??????????????..........geeessshhhhh.gettin' a visual...Blaaaaaaac. Gale, I'll miss Dee too. She'll be busy round here with the grand daughter. If Ron comes that way, and somebody lights a match the same time he flatuates, we wont need an olimpic touch. LIGHT PROVIDED BY BLUE FLAME.................always a brother
Mark
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 13:03:01 (MDT)

HELLO TO ALL HOPE YOU HAVE A GRAT TIME AT KOKOHO I LOVE TO BE THERE GENTLY I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A GRATE TIME. HECK A BELLY DANCE WITH THE WINK LOL SOME TAPE IT SEND IT TO THE WORLDS FUNYS VIDIOS ALL MOME GOST TO THE 129th JUST JOKING WITH YOU GENYLY HAVE TO TEASE SOME HERE :-))),,,MARK DID YOU EVER GET MY E MAIL AND PIC I AM TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO MAKE A GOOD ONE WHEN ITS MADE I TAKE PIC IF YOU LIKE TELL ME OK WELL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS I GOT TO GO OH FINILY GOT ALL THE CONTRACTORS TOGETHER AND THINKING ABOUT THE SNOW BLOWER THE ONE IS A HONDER 9 HORS POWER 2000$ THE OTHER IS A TORRRO 11 HORSE POWER NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF ENGING BUT IT TAKS GAS ITS OLY 1350 BUT PEOPLE TELL ME HONDA IS A BETTER ENGINE OH WELL WE SEE I KNOW NOTHING ANOUT THEM BOTHE YOU HAVE TO PLUG IN ITS ELECTRIC START SO WHO KNOWS IT MAY NOT BE GAS THANKS FOR LISTING A BROTHER WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ENGINGS TAKE CARE BE SAHE RAY oh how you doing alvis and rob how is your brother and alex how is your foot doing
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
MD USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 12:33:22 (MDT)

looks like Clinton went down with chest pains.Maybe bypass surg, is in store for him. Best of luck to him. Rain might be in forecast again for kokomo, bring what you need for rain, just in case.
alvis
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 11:31:39 (MDT)

Mark, you've forgotten our discussion of last year when we decided it would be the turn of Mr. Fred Alvis to wear the chaps in 2004. Remember how Gale looked so good in them and Fred said he wanted a year to challange Gale on who looked the best? Well, the year is over and we get to see how well Fred did/does:>) Of course there's always the huge possibilty that Ron Paye will just show up wearing them ...and nothing else. You know how Ron is!! So Fred may have his work cut out for him---- in just afew days:>))) Let the games begin-G
Gently
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 11:29:44 (MDT)

Yes Mark (as far as I know). Them claymores may not effect Ron if he's been drinkin' all that foreign beer. You know....those black or green beers that you have to chew for a while before swallowing. Glad to hear that you'll be spending a little more time with us Mark, tho, we will miss Dee.
Gale
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 09:00:38 (MDT)

Gale, I'll have to go up to the venders tent and see if they have any claymores to keep Ron out:-) Do you know Gale, is our compound in the same AO?................Later, always a brother
Mark
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 08:46:59 (MDT)

Mark, now there's an idea.....chaps!!! How 'bout it errrr Gently? Were you saying that you've been too busy "belly dancin'" to get married again & have kids?? Mark, watch them one-man tents!! Ron likes to roam from tent to tent during the night and iffin' there's not room next to ya, well............ ;o))))
Gale
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 08:07:15 (MDT)

Don. Thats great news. Rick have a safe trip and God Bless....Rainer, would be great to see you in Kokomo. I am getting geared up. Plan to ride the bike and bring just a one man tent. Dee will not be coming this year. I will be the lonesome rider. Looking forward to doing some self evaluation and reflection.Hey errrrr Gently, if you are going to belly dance, ya wanna wear my chaps? ;-o.........always a brother
Mark
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 07:47:00 (MDT)

Yeah Don! You're still in our prayers though. Lou 25 years and you 31! Yikes! I think I was married for 8, back in the 70's. I never re-married and I don't have any children...too busy for both. Still am. Kokomo..14 days:>)) Always there for our Veterans-Judith(errrrrr, I mean Gently)
Gently
USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 06:42:56 (MDT)

Kal, you going to need a place to crash? Your welcome here.
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 23:13:39 (MDT)

congrads Don
alvis
USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 23:12:32 (MDT)

Rainer, Sept 17-19.....you gonna try to make again? Don, great news and congrats to the both of you. Gale
Gale
USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 20:33:18 (MDT)

I am suffering from Cranial-Rectal Insertion, can someone please tell me the dates for Kokomo?? Thanks Rainer
Rainer Bauer
Indy, USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 18:39:18 (MDT)

Take care all. We are leaving in the Morning to Denver Colorado to visit our oldest daughter and the 2 grandsons. God Bless to All.
Rick
USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 16:57:10 (MDT)

Excellent news, Don! And congratulations on the anniversary!! Things are looking up, eh? Will keep Donna in our prayers. Keep us posted!
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 14:59:26 (MDT)

Howdy all,just came in for a few to see what was going on. Alvis, glad to see you back Bro. things are going great here Donna had surgery on the 31st and her leg is doing great. hopefully she can come home in about 4 or 5 more days. we just had our 31st anniversary on Sept 1 ....... the nurses brought us a little cake and some flowers. they are a really great bunch of gals. Mark ...... NO X 4. have fun in Kokomo I'll be thinking 'bout ya' ...... Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms , AZ USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 14:21:01 (MDT)

Yes, Jeff, I still live in Columbia. I was in Charlotte last weekend probably will be there Labor Day based on the weather. I have relatives in Charlotte and visit there guite a lot. As I recall you worked in maintenance and flew the Snowsnake. E-mail me and the next time I am in Charlotte I will look you up.
Alton Page "Shadow" <Apage6130*aol.com>
West Columbia, SC USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 07:39:10 (MDT)

HELLO EVERY ONE MARK DID YOU GET MY E MAIL AND THE PIC I SENT TO YOU .I DONT KNOW HOW COME THE PIC DON'T COME OUT. FRED.S SORRY ITS NOT A COUMMINGS I CANT SPELL IT FOR IF I SPELT IT THE WAY IT SOUNDS WOULD SOUND BAD ON HERE BUT THE LAST HALF IS SIMGTHING I THINK AND THE FRIS LETTER IS A C I GAVE TO GET GAIL TO SPELL THIS ONE USED GAS WE DO GET SNOW , I CANT SHOVEL IT LAST YEAR OUR NEIGHBOR DID IT BUT THIS YEAR HE'S NOT WELL SO I DO HIS SOME TIMES WE GET 20 INCHES I NEVER GET THAT I HAVE A HARD ENOUGHT TIME WITH 4 INCHES. NOW AS FOR THAT A/C THE CONTRACTOR STILL HAS NOT DONE A THING ON THE HOUSE NO SIDING SO WE GOT A NEW BID HE HAVE IT SOON. I HAVE THIS MAN LOTS OF TIME HE HEEPS SAYING HE GET TO ME. BUT SOON IT WILL BE WINTER, GOT A FEELING GOUNG TO BE A BAD ONE. TO ALL MY BROTHERS IN THE PATH OF FRANICE MY THOUGHTS WILL BE WITH YOU JUST BE SAFE. WELL I JUST THOUGHT I SAY HELLOTO YOU ALL TAKE CARE GENTLY HAVE FUN AT KOCOMO THE YAY IT SOUNDS YOU WILL HE HE KIDDING WELL BE SAFE TAKE CRE STAY WELL A BROTHER ALWAYS. RAY AGAIN GOOD TO SEE YOU ALVIS
RAY
MD USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 07:05:31 (MDT)

Being in the South, I`ve had the pleasure of seeing great bands, Dave Matthews Band, Goverment Mule, Widespread Panic........and the "new" Allman Brothers with Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes doing the "Duane and Dickie" duo leads guitars.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 05:35:42 (MDT)

saw crosby stills nash and young in boulder colorado in 75 or so( their front band was an unheard of band called kansas) .Missed out on dr hook and the medicine show in colorado springs( to messed up and they were sold out),took in dave Clark 5 in columbus georgia in about 66 or so.One group that was left out,perhaps one of the great poets of our time, is Simon and garfunkal.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 22:23:00 (MDT)

Rick, that was very cute. Its now on its way to Australia.Susan wants her folks to see it.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 22:13:57 (MDT)

Wow...Dee and I saw Jethro Tull in Ft Wayne in 73......good concert....Mark
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 20:13:04 (MDT)

Dang Wink, I thought for sure that the CONTACTS was updated. CRAP!!!!!!!.....Here Pete Rhome. Good to see ya brother. Pete, you going to be at Kokomo?.....Wink, be care in that storm. Rick E...hows things going out in AZ?.......Fred A. Good to see you. Hi C.P. Kim and Fred S. good to see your names in here also. Ray...As Fred said, A small Cummins engine? ......Hum????Been around diesels a long time and dont recall anything small then the 5.9 that Dodge has in the PU's. Could be though........What the heck ya need a snow blower for Ray?.............that air conditioner you put in making it snow;-))))))).....take care all....God Bless......always a brother,
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 20:10:39 (MDT)

Alex.....I went over to the GRAND a couple years ago and saw JETHRO TULL....KEITH 72-73
Keith 72-73 <onereb@bellsouth.net>
c, Ms. CSA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 20:06:13 (MDT)

alex, sorry i missed your call. yes it looks like we are going to get hit again, how bad time will tell. would of called but missed placed your # an not sureif one in contact list was up to date,i know mines not, sorry about that mark heeeeeeeeeeee. but anyway i'll keep you informed. this one is for times bigger than charlie.tell liz i said hi./////////// alvis good your back missed your posting's.]]]]]] gently i guess it had to come out sooner or later.but what they all don't know is what the three of us are doing heeeeeeeeeeeeeee.,right. rob how did you find out? have you been peeking? all who are going to kokomoooooooooo have a good time an please be gentle to my gently,sound like a song. what im i writting , i don't know but it's time to go. wink 3/69-10/70 from 010with love
wink
lake wales, fl USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 19:15:25 (MDT)

Pete Rhome, I've tried to email you a couple of times,keep getting it back. jim216@arczip.com
jim
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 18:44:16 (MDT)

Liz and I went to the Grand Casino about a year ago and seen Johnny Rivers. He puts on a great show. And sounds as good as he did back in the 60's. If you ever get a chance to see him GO!! Alex
Alex
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 18:37:06 (MDT)

Johnny Rivers!!!!! Haven't heard his name in forever. Spent the Fall of 1968 wearing out his LP. Alvis...you're one of a kind....glad to read your ramblings...keep 'em coming!!! Ann
Ann Buslee <abuslee@centurytel.net>
Ladysmith, WI USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 16:42:10 (MDT)

Alvis this is for you. ENJOY http://www.pasa.ch/ASA/Pages/PoPo/fun.htm
Rick
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 15:06:17 (MDT)

Cummings Deisel engine.......small engine, Ray?
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 14:45:04 (MDT)

It was Pork Chops that we were cooking, Pete. Because Mr.Weaver(Spud) didn`t want to go into the bunker, because he was afraid someone would "rip-off" the chops. But it was told down at the "operations shack" a couple of days later, it was a "drunk ARVN" with a M-79 and the Korean`s got him.......... A Catastrophic Success!!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 14:39:53 (MDT)

Ray, I think she's blushing!! HHEHHEEHEHE
Gale
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 14:39:20 (MDT)

Ray!!!! :>))
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 14:12:42 (MDT)

WELCOME BACK FRED GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK. OH IF YOU LIKE THE SHIRT LET ME KNOW I GET YOU ONE WOW HAD TO BE SURE I SPELT THAT ONE RIGHT LOL JUST SEND ME THE LAST PART OK IN E MAIL LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR POSTS AGAIN OH SINCE I AM GERE IAM GETING A SNOW BLOWER ONE HAS SOMETHING CALLED A CUMMINGS ENGING IN IT ITS 11 HORSE POWER FOR 1350 THE HAVE A HOND ENGER FOR 2000 BUT ITS ONLY 9 HORS POWER THE MAN TOLD ME THE CUMIMGS IS A BAD ENGING I DONT KNOW WHO DO BELIVE' DO ANY OF YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT COULD HELP ME THANKS A BIG DIFFERECE, BUT I WANT ONE TO LAST THANKS WELL GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN BE SAFE STAY WELL , (OH GENTLY IF I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO BELLY DANCE I WOULD HAVE MADE IT THERE )'JUST JOKEING ,,,I HOPE YOU HAVE A GRAT TIME AND FOR ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THE STORM I WISH YOU WELL AND WILL BE THINKING OF YOU ALL. A BROTHER ALWAYS GALE FINILY GOT THE LAST TWO PINS THEY WILL BE MAILED OFF SOON HAD A HARD TIME FINDING BUT GOT THEM TAKE CARE BROTHER TAKE CARE A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 13:51:01 (MDT)

O.K im a little slow, but back to the MORTAR round, I remember, one evening, I think at a deer roast/party, we got hit, one up by the houchs, and a couple hit the flight line ,nothing hit, but the Guns went up, and I think Chief [SMITH]got a small wound on the neck, but I was messed up as usuale?
Pete Rhome
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 13:40:49 (MDT)

Thank you Mark. GREAT seeing you back Alvis. Have some GREAT NEWS. Received a letter from the DAV saying my disability was increased and approved to 100%. Only took me 12 1/2 years to accomplish. :) Should receive my VA notification within 2 weeks. Everyone with pending claims be sure to keep up the fight and if you feel their decission is unfair or too low go through the appeal process. God Bless and have a nice day. GOD, COUNTRY, HONOR
Rick Jensen
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 11:18:50 (MDT)

Niel Yong, crosby,stilss, nash,young? 98th? They should have been at least 96th.What about Johnny Rivers and whats his face from jay and the americans?beach boys,jan and dean? or The guys that sang, my little GTO.. sure, it was along time ago , but many remember those songs well and met them when first tuned into rock and rollon the "am" radio. doo wops count as rock and roll also?
alvis
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 11:12:58 (MDT)

100 Greatest Rock Guitarists........ 1. Jimi Hendrix* - Jimi Hendrix Experience 2. Jeff Beck - Yardbirds, Jeff Beck Group, Solo 3. Eric Clapton - Yardbirds, Cream, Derek & The Dominos, Solo 4. Jimmy Page - Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, The Firm 5. Eddie Van Halen - Van Halen 6. Stevie Ray Vaughan* - Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble 7. Joe Satriani - Solo 8. John Petrucci - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment 9. Steve Vai - David Lee Roth, Whitesnake, Solo 10. Randy Rhoads* - Quiet Riot, Ozzy 11. David Gilmour - Pink Floyd, Solo 12. Eric Johnson - Solo 13. John Mclaughlin- Mahavishnu Orchestra 14. Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force, Solo 15. Allan Holdsworth - Solo 16. Steve Howe - Yes, Solo 17. Neal Schon - Santana, Journey 18. Paul Gilbert - Mr. Big, Racer X, Solo 19. Brian May - Queen 20. Phil Keaggy - Glass Harp, Solo 21. Duane Allman* - Allman Brothers Band, Derek & Dominos 22. Mark Knopfler - Dire Straits, Solo 23. Ritchie Blackmore - Deep Purple, Rainbow, Blackmores Night 24. Steve Morse - Deep Purple, Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Solo 25. Alex Lifeson - Rush 26. Carlos Santana - Santana 27. Slash - Guns N' Roses, Velvet Revolver 28. Frank Zappa* - Mothers of Invention, Solo 29. Shawn Lane* - Willy, Solo 30. Robert Fripp - King Crimson 31. Robin Trower - Procal Harum, Solo 32. Angus Young - AC/DC 33. Terry Kath* - Chicago 34. Chuck Berry - Solo 35. Bo Diddley - Solo 36. Uli Jon Roth - Scorpions 37. Peter Green - Fleetwood Mac, Solo 38. Keith Richards - Rolling Stones, Solo 39. Ry Cooder - Captain Beefheart's Magic Band, Solo 40. Alvin Lee - Ten Years After 41. Gary Moore - Thin Lizzy, Colosseum II, Skid Row, Solo 42. Steve Hackett - Genisis 43. Tony Iommi - Black Sabbath 44. Jason Becker - Cacophony, David Lee Roth Band, Solo 45. Michael Schenker - Scorpions, UFO, MSG, Contraband 46. Nuno Bettencourt - Extreme, Mourning Widows 47. Pete Townshend - The Who 48. Dave Davies - Kinks 49. George Harrison* - Beatles, Traveling Wilberys, Solo 50. John Cipollina* - Quicksilver Messenger Service 51. Joe Perry - Aerosmith 52. Mick Taylor - John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Rolling Stones 53. Steve Stevens - Billy Idol 54. Steve Lukather - Toto, Solo 55. Adrian Belew - King Crimson 56. Johnny Winter - Solo 57. Joe Bonamassa - Solo 58. John Squire - Stone Roses 59. Kirk Hammett - Metallica 60. Jerry Garcia* - Greatful Dead 61. Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine, Audioslave 62. Kim Mitchell - Max Webster, Solo 63. Zakk Wylde - Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society 64. Rory Gallagher* - Solo 65. Gary Hoey - Solo 66. Steve Cropper - Booker T. & MG's/Stax sessions 67. Marty Friedman - Cacophony, Megadeath, Solo 68. Walter Trout - Walter Trout and the Radicals 69. Prince - Prince & The Revolution 70. Dimebag Darrell - Pantera 71. Kenny Wayne Shepherd - Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band 72. Leslie West - Mountain, Solo 73. Billy Gibbons - ZZ Top 74. Peter Frampton - Humble Pie, Frampton's Camel, Solo 75. Tony MacAlpine - Solo 76. Mickey "Guitar" Baker - 50's sessions/ Mickey & Sylvia 77. Ronnie Montrose - Montrose, Edgar Winter Group 78. Dickie Betts - Allman Brothers Band, Dickey Betts & Great Southern 79. Vito Bratta - White Lion 80. Chris DeGarmo - Queensryche 81. Adam Jones - Tool 82. Gary Richrath - REO Speedwagon, Solo 83. Jake E. Lee - Cutting Crew, Ozzy, Badlands, Solo 84. Mike McCready - Pearl Jam 85. Dave Murray - Iron Maiden 86. Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden 87. Mick Ronson* - David Bowie, Solo 88. Warren Haynes - Allman Brothers Band, Gov't Mule 89. Robbie Krieger - Doors, Solo 90. Vinnie Moore - Alice Cooper, Solo 91. Randy Bachmann - Guess Who, BTO 92. Jeff Healy - Jeff Healy Band 93. Buckethead - Guns N' Roses, Solo 94. Jerry Cantrell - Alice In Chains, Solo 95. Vernon Reid - Living Colour 96. Ted Nugent - Ambouy Dukes, Damn Yankees, Solo, 97. Neil Young - Buffalo Springfield, Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young, Solo 98. Doug Aldrich - Burning Rain, Dio, Whitesnake, Solo 99. Joe Walsh - James Gang, Eagles, Solo 100. Vivian Campbell - Dio, Whitesnake, Def Leppard
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 10:31:49 (MDT)

TOP 100 ROCK GUITAR SOLOS of All-Time........... 1. Stairway To Heaven - Jimmy Page 2. Comfortably Numb - David Gilmour 3. Freebird - Allen Collins/Gary Rossington 4. Crossroads - Eric Clapton 5. All Along The Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix 6. Eruption - Eddie Van Halen 7. Texas Flood - Stevie Ray Vaughan 8. Highway Star - Ritchie Blackmore 9. Mr Crowley - Randy Rhoads 10. Cliffs Of Dover - Eric Johnson 11. November Rain - Slash 12. Voodoo Child - Jimi Hendrix 13. Time - David Gilmour 14. For The Love Of God - Steve Vai 15. One - Kirk Hammet 16. Crazy Train - Randy Rhoads 17. Black Star - Yngwie Malmsteen 18. Sweet Child O' Mine - Slash 19. No More Tears - Zakk Wylde 20. Shine On You Crazy Diamond - David Gilmour 21. Satch Boogie - Joe Satriani 22. Europa - Carlos Santana 23. Floods - Dimebag Darrel 24. White Room - Eric Clapton 25. Bohemian Rhapsody - Brian May 26. Over The Mountain - Randy Rhoads 27. Machine Gun - Jimi Hendrix 28. Child In Time - Ritchie Blackmore 29. Maggot Brain - Edie Hazel 30. Under A Glass Moon - John Petrucci 31. Alive - Mike McCready 32. Desert Rose - Eric Johnson 33. Sultans Of Swing - Mark Knopfler 34. Layla - Eric Clapton/Duane Allman 35. Dazed And Confused - Jimmy Page 36. You Really Got Me - Dave Davies 37. Two Minutes To Midnight - D. Murray/A. Smith 38. YYZ - Alex Lifeson 39. Dreams - Eddie Van Halen 40. Little Wing - Jimi Hendrix 41. Killer Queen - Brian May 42. Devil Takes The Hindmost - Allan Holdsworth 43. Fade To Black - Kirk Hammett 44. Heartbreaker - Jimmy Page 45. 21st Century Schizoid Man - Robert Fripp 46. While My Guitar Gently Weeps - Eric Clapton 47. War Pigs - Toni Iommi 48. Lazy - Ritchie Blackmore 49. Little Wing - Stevie Ray Vaughan 50. Beat It - Eddie Van Halen 51. Star Spangled Banner - Jimi Hendrix 52. Black Magic Woman - Carlos Santana 53. Johnny B Goode - Chuck Berry 54. Freewill - Alex Lifeson 55. Blue Wind - Jeff Beck 56. Sunshine Of Your Love - Eric Clapton 57. Bold As Love - Jimi Hendrix 58. Beck's Bolero - Jeff Beck 59. Dee - Randy Rhoads 60. The Way It Has To Be - Shawn Lane 61. Couldn't Stand The Weather - Stevie Ray Vaughan 62. Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son - D. Murray/A. Smith 63. Since I've Been Loving You - Jimmy Page 64. Blues Deluxe - Joe Bonamassa 65. Nutshell - Jerry Cantrell 66. Brighton Rock - Brian May 67. Paradise City - Slash 68. Crushing Day - Joe Satriani 69. Won't Get Fooled Again - Pete Townshend 70. Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix 71. Highway 61 Revisited - Johnny Winter 72. Colour And The Shape - Joe Bonamassa 73. Sleep Now In The Fire - Tom Morello 74. Bridge Of Sighs - Robin Trower 75. Surfing With The Alien - Joe Satriani 76. Cause We've Ended - Jeff Beck 77. Working Man - Alex Lifeson 78. The Thrill Is Gone - B.B. King 79. Whipping Post - Duane Allman/Dicky Betts 80. Blue On Black - Kenny Wayne Shepherd 81. Man In The Box - Jerry Cantrell 82. Master Of Puppets - Kirk Hammet 83. Dogs - David Gilmour 84. Smoke On The Water - Ritchie Blackmore 85. Midnight - Joe Satriani 86. Too Rolling Stoned - Robin Trower 87. Badge - Eric Clapton/George Harrison 88. Wynona's Big Brown Beaver - Larry Lalonde 89. Money - David Gilmour 90. Cortez The Killer - Neil Young 91. Cult Of Personality - Vernon Reid 92. Tierra Del Fuego - George Lynch 93. Starship Trooper - Steve Howe 94. Breaking Into Heaven - John Squire 95. Sympathy For The Devil - Keith Richards 96. Achilles Last Stand - Jimmy Page 97. Orion - Kirk Hammet 98. Stranglehold - Ted Nugent 99. Nottingham Lace - Buckethead 100. Circles - Joe Satriani
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 10:24:27 (MDT)

Yuk yuk yourself, Mr. Robbie. Barry's going to be very mad at you for figuring "us" out!!! LOL!! With a "safe noun of some sort." -Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 10:23:19 (MDT)

Gently, you will be treated with the upmost respect and I hope there's not any mudholes around this year. Alvis, thanks for your input on the car. I've been dusting the cobwebs out and I remember more than I thought about them old cars. Mr & Mrs Lou...congrats!! Clear, Gale
Gale
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 10:13:30 (MDT)

Fred, good to see you back on the Log. I vote no to political banter on this site unless it's humorous like Rick was doing. Made me laugh out loud. I can't believe my beloved Yankees lost 22 to 0 to Cleveland at home no less. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? Gently, does Joe know you have something going on with Wink? You always put With a Wink... Yuk Yuk....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 10:11:10 (MDT)

Yahoo! Lou, it must have been your 25th anniversary that brought our friend Fred, Fred back. Thank you. Gale, you might want to keep in mind that it was Mr.Fred Alvis who nailed the board to the hood of his car. Still LOL!!! Smiling -Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 09:59:41 (MDT)

Let's see September 1st. What could be important about September 1st....hm..m..? Oh, yeah!!.....129er Lou, and his wife have been married twenty five years today(see post from 8/27)! But I'm not congratulating them...rather I'm offering a mass to his dear tolerating wife! LOL!!! The best to you Lou and the lovely Mrs. Vietnam Vet. LOL!! With a wink-Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 09:45:19 (MDT)

thank you Raineer. How is your health?
alvis
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 09:33:06 (MDT)

Fred Welcome home!! Have to head to Lowe's and spend that money!! Take careBro!! Always A Brother Alex!!
Alex
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 09:27:09 (MDT)

Gale, when I had my 48 plymouth in high school,i knew a plymouth dealer machanic, there in columbus georgia. I ask him about engine swapping.He said that with the amount of room in the engine bay those old plymouths had,you can put any small block you want into it.There are now after market engine and trans mounts that can be purchased for doing this.If you ever drop the flywheel in that thing,be careful,its weighs a ton.The pads that secure the readend to the springs should be checked for cracking,I had to have mine re-welded.The heater that came with those,where gasoline drip,not hot water.Also, the wireing is the old cloth covered type,I would diffenently take a close look at that system.If I remember correctly,ford rims interchange one way only,as the old plymouth wheels have an index pin hole that fit onto the brake drums index pin.They can be easly broken off,so yours may be gone.( so much the better inless your trying to restore it.)
alvis
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 09:23:21 (MDT)

Alvis its good to see you back on
Rainer Bauer
Indy, USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 09:12:12 (MDT)

Political posting got out of hand. The calm waters of this site became very ruffled indeed,I, perhaps more than anyone,am at fault for bringing it in here.After seeing what happened,I choose not to repeat that mistake.I know of 3 that stopped posting,and thats a shame because I enjoyed reading their post.Politics brought nothing but disharmony in here.Anger started reaing its ugly head( for me anyway).The cost( to this site) was to high for this simple freedom we all enjoy.A great many pros and cons have been set forth,I feel we shouldnt bar any topic in here,but that one is poison,in my opinion.I am being stalked.There has been discussions of making this a private site,needing a pass word in gain entrance.Even at my personal private life cost, I feel that it should remain open,so our brothers can easily find us.Sue, thank you for your kind words,but there are many in here that do "back behind the scenes" work that do so much for this site and the folks in it.I simply take the lazy way,and post once in a while.Mark,Gently and Alex, thank you for the things you do ,behind the scenes, for us and this site.They,truely,are the ones that make this site happen and continue to progress it forward. All of our post continue feed this site and keep us coming back.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 09:07:13 (MDT)

Mr. Beard, there will not be any "belly dancing " this year.And that is because I will not let you and Fred, Fred, throw me into that damn mud hole again and then step on my back as if I were belly dancing in a horizontal position. You should expect some serious revenge this year! My karate expert sister will not be joining us. She'll attending some national competition in Indianapolis at that time(think revenge). But I am going to need some help from you guys at Kokomo. I've asked a Gold Star Wife to join us. She lost her husband on Christmas Eve, 2003 in Iraq. She and I have become very good friends and she's a hoot! She said she is ready for a little fun so i have invited her to join us. So, I need you and Fred, Fred, to treat me with great respect every day, and make her think I'm really imporant, because I have told her I am. Hence no mud hole. I've composed a short bio that I'm going to be sending to you to study so you can read up on what I've told her, therefore being able to confirm my shared stories. And Ron Paye, sir, I will need you to take her through the vendors tent and for a ride on your bike..... because she is beautiful and will knock your socks off!!! Oh Kokomo, Kokomo, let the games begin:>))) Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 08:34:26 (MDT)

Well alot of commo out there. I have only a few sugguestions. Let's get back to basics. The purpose of this log. My understanding is to communicate with our Brothers and Sisters. To WELCOME HOME NEW BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF OUR KIA/MIA!!! When a new Brother or Sister visits our log, it needs to be a positive first immpression. If they recieve negative input. They won't be back. REMEMBER FIRST IMMPRESSIONS!!!! We all have our personal view's on everything. As far as politics, well now matter how much we discuss it. We won't change it. All I can say is go vote!! Life is getting short for alot of us. Our Brothers are passing on to the Fiddler's Green at fast rate. Let's enjoy the renewed friendships and reunions we have had. Let'be thankful for this site and the wonderful people whom visit here!! This is sacred ground. Also a place of healing. Vietnam brought us together. Whether you were in the 129th or a Family member of one of our KIA/MIA this is our Home on Web Site. Be Proud OF IT!! And Respect It and All Whom Visit. Alex 129th 65/68 Always a Brother!!
Alex
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 08:18:06 (MDT)

Hi all I haven't been on for a couple of days had my 3year old twin grandkids. this old guy got whipped.To catch up, Candy your smear tactics didn't work here we are all brother and sisters here and have much respect for each other,something you don't understand So STAY AWAY. ALVIS we all miss you hope all is well with you please let us know you are OK. Now as for the ,cant spell mortors,I don,t remember any.But in 1970 I do remember something about a artillary short round that the south viets lobed in .I think if I remember right it landed up buy the guard dogs and the rummor was 1 dog was killed .I'm not telling this for fact, just a vage memory.All take care A brother george
george martshall
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 07:58:59 (MDT)

I thought the decision on political discourse had been rendered quite a while ago? While current politics may cause problems on this site, lets not forget that politics are what got us into our little war, and politically motivated "rules of engagement" managed to give all of us fits! I remember receiving 'friendly fire' while flying at night...sort of reminds me of the great white hunters and their 'sound shots'!!!(we attribute all stupid hunting stories as massholes using our state as their back yard, it's a Maine thing!) Gale, I'll drop you a line, I've shanged my addy several times in the past few months.
Kim
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 07:53:32 (MDT)

Rick I wasnt refering to you political humor ( Which made me :-)) I was refering to Kim's post as to if the rules changed as far as the discussion of politics in here. It had been done before here and seemed to cause decention among us.At that time I just ask that if some want to debate stuff to do it on their e-mail lines. Some chose to scale down their post in here at that time. Surly there is more to be shared then that. Thanks to all for your input. All are still welcome here and ones that dont post as much are missed.Please return. So as it stands, no politics in here. God Bless and thanks......always a brother
Mark
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 07:48:52 (MDT)

Mark, 1.No 2.No 3.No 4.No......it just won't work. We should be able to discuss anything, but, we know from experience how it ends up. Kim, have you changed you e-mail addy? They come back "disabled". Gently, is your "sister" coming to Kokomo with you this year? I'm bringing my brother-in-law ,so, could you please not do your "ritual belly dance" around the campfire. He's kind of shy. ;o) Flight, I'm starting to work on my 1947 Plymouth 2-dr sedan. All original with the flathead six......any pointers will be appreciated. Glen P., are you familiar with this car? If anyone wants progress photos let me know and I'll e-mail them to you. Have a good day all. Always a brother, Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 07:20:56 (MDT)

No to political discussions in this special place of refuge and sharing. Most of us have our candidate in mind so let it be. C.P., where is that Fred, Fred? Some of us have gotten a word or two from him, and he reads like he is OK,but by his not posting...I wonder if that is the case. Regarding our dear Gold Star Mothers: at the web site you can email them asking for a contact in GA. They will get back to you pretty quickly(like the good mothers they are) with a contact. Then give that mother(contact) a call for more information on our Mothers near you. God bless you for asking:>)) You made my day. Sue and Ann, see you at the HighGrounds. Kokomo 16 days! Loving ya all-Gently, Fred, Fred....missing ya.
Gently
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 06:49:05 (MDT)

HELLO FLIGHT MY VOTE IS TO GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS WEN I FRIST CAME ON BACK THEN IT WAS FUL OF LOVE CAREING ANS SUPORT NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS NO NAME CALLING IT WAS A FAMILY OF LOVE AND FRIEND SHIP AND A BOND, I NEVER THOUGHT I SEE IT COME TO THIS. MARK AND DEE YOU AND DEE DO A GRAT JOB HERE , THER PLACE TODO THOSE OTHER THING LIKE POLITICS EVEN CREAT A ROOM FOR IT THIS SIGT WAS MADE FOR GEALING. I KNOW IT HAS HELPED MANY OF US,AND SINCE ALL THE POLITICS BEEN GOING ON, MAMY STOPPED POSTING. THERE MANY GOOD PEOPLE HERE SO I GEUSS I I VOTE NO AND GO BACK AS IT WAS MENT AS YOU SET IT UP TO BE A PLACE FOR HEALING AND WE ARE ONE BIG FANILY IT GOOD TO BE BART OF A FAMILE SUCH AS THIS ONE I HOPE WE CAN ALL GET IT TO GETHER AGAIN LOVE YOU ALL. A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.COM>
MD USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 06:38:33 (MDT)

Politics on the web-site........I have to "flip and flop" on that vote awhile.....you know......really give it some thought before I vote.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 05:09:11 (MDT)