Rick, where did you get that cartoon of Ron moonin' us? Hahaha Happy Halloween to all. Gently,Fred A, Fred S .... where's everyone been. I have an excuse, I've been building a shed in the back yard. Trying to beat the weather. Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
USA - Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 14:04:16 (MST)

http://www.cutestuf.com/flash_1002/bluemoon.swf**********Happy Halloween From the England Family To all my sisters and brothers. Love Rick
Rick England
USA - Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 11:22:26 (MST)

Thanks buddy, I agree, but this is just like the other site it's true. HeHeHeHeHe Try it you'll like it.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 09:18:11 (MST)

Rick, I can't believe that you are trying to get us to try another website after that crap you pulled on us yesterday.........I don't trust you anymore!!!!! If anyone hasn't checked it out, read Ricks commo on Wed 10-30. Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 08:29:33 (MST)

http://www.goldencorral.com/PromoSpec.htm#Military%20Night***************** Check it out the Golden Corral has Vetrean apprciation day. Glad you had good and safe trip Alex and Liz. Look forward to seeing you at the wall. I arrive about 6:00pm i DC The Phone # at the Marriott is 703 549 3434. And Alex I have your Cell#.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 07:52:04 (MST)

Flight: Well Liz and just got back from the COLD Northern Ohio. Seen a little snow, which we soldom see. All the family are good health. And Got spend plenty of Quality time with Mom and Dad. Drove to Pittsburg to visit an Anut in a assisted living residence. Over all a Great trip. The leaves on the trees were in full color and was a beautiful sight. Then Liz hit the pick 3 on Tuesday night to add to the excitement. Well back for a week and then off to D.C. looking forward to the trip. And hoping to run up on those of you whom are trying to make the wall. Ray, glad to your surgery went well. Mark and the rest of My Brothers and Sisters have a safe Holloween. Alex
Alex <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn USA - Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 07:28:44 (MST)

Rick, I put in that URL you gave & then followed directions real carefully, I don't think a chickenplate would help me, but a clean pair of drawers sure would come in handy. Take care flight.
Frank Loveday <bluecobra@dav.net.>
Bastrop, La. USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 16:10:59 (MST)

...hey gang......great to see all the como in here!!!!!!!!!...RICK E.....send me the addy for the chopper game again please. I lost it.......RAY G......so good to see that you are doing ok after the shoulder work, also good to you and Robbie yackin' bout some times together over there. That is neater then a feeder house on a John Deere combine........I can bring the Chicker Plate to Atlanta with me that Jim Westwang sent me. We all could take time wearin' it;-))))))........you all take.....just home for a short spell after the lunch crowd was in.....trin' to get some sleep, but the hooch maids are here right now....... .........always a brother...................mark
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 11:15:22 (MST)

HELLO ROB.. I SURE DO REMBER THAT THEY EVEN LET US CALL FOR THE APROCH.HOW IS EVERYONE HERE THAT GAME RICK SENT IS FUN BUT I CRASH A LOT GUESS THATS Y I WAS A GUNNER ;-),, YOU ALL TAKE CARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY OH I MAY HAVE A BROYHER WHO WAS IN IN VIET NAM... HES THE FARTER OF MY DAUGHTES FRIEND GOING TO SEE HE CAN COME HERE HIS DAUGHTERSAID HE DONT TALK MUCH ABOUT IT I LET U ALL KNOW THANKS... RAY
ray gagner <stilting@aol.com>
street, md USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 09:35:40 (MST)

Have a safe and happy halloween. I hope you enjoyed the picture of the image in the room. Be careful out there. HEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LMAO Trick or treat I was the guy that busted pumkins in the street. That's a poem Idea.
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 09:22:48 (MST)

Thanks Rick....you a--h---!!!!! What a wake-up call. Gale
Gale Beard <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 07:29:24 (MST)

Kim, thanks for the info. I did locate the CBI site yesterday, and i didn't find anything on the 3848th either. The guy i'm trying to help, it was his father that was there. He had a map that his father used to have taped to his truck somewhere and it shows all of the places he had to drive along the Burma Road. The map is falling apart, so i scanned it on one of our scanners here at work and am in the process of cleaning it all up with Photo Suite. RICK ENGLAND, I think i will wear a chicken plate to Atlanta myself. RAY GAGNER, remember the day the AC let us fly THE JUDGE? Couldn't get the damn thing to hover. Robbie
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 07:12:08 (MST)

see if you can find the image. It's pretty neat. Subject: For Ash & Tay. Do You Beleive The Sound is hard to hear on this, you may want to turn up the volume a little. This sent shivers down my spine! Let me know if you can see it, too. This is pretty neat. Apparently the owners of this house had been seeing images and hearing voices for quite a while. They did some research and found that a lady once lived in the house who lost her husband during the civil war. Legend says that she used to sit at the table and look across the fields in anticipation of her loved one returning home. He never came. So, they say she still waits. They caught this photo of what they claim to be her. This one was wild and a little spooky once you find the ghost in the picture. It took me a minute or two to find it, but when you do it just stands out. Like one of those optical illusions. To save you some time, concentrate around the table. Best not to focus too much on one spot. Look around the table and toward the window. If you have your face closer to the screen it can be seen a lot better. Click on the link below for the picture. Best to enlarge. For an added touch, turn on your speakers . . . the website added an audio tape . it's faint but you can hear the ghost making a low murmur. Remember that you have to wait a few moments for it to appear. http://home.attbi.com/~n9ivo/whatswrong.swf <==== CLick her
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 06:59:42 (MST)

I am wearing a chickenplate at the next reunion.
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 05:02:36 (MST)

EVENING FLIGHT DON CONGRADS ON REUNITING WITH YOUR DAUGHTER, WENT ARE YOU GOING TO SEE HER ? SOON I WOULD HOPE. GALD FOR YOU =============== RAY DOING OK AFTER SURGURY, THATS GREAT. SOUND LIKE YOUR GOING FORWARD WITH YOUR LIFE, AN TAKE IT FROM ME IT WILL ONLY GET BETTER.================= ROBBIE HOWS THE WEATHER UP THERE, GETTING COLD I BET.ARE YOU GOING TO ATLANTA NEXT YEAR. HAVE YOU HEARD FROM GRIFFY LATELY. HEY GRIFFY IF YOUR OUT THERE SIGN IN,LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOUR DOING.THINKING OF YEARS PAST AN FRIENDS ONCE KNOWN AN THOUGHT TOO BE LOST FOREVER,ONE'S PATH IN LIFE TAKE MANY DIFFERENT TURNS AN DIRECTIONS BUT WHEN ALL SAID AN DONE LIFE MAKES IT FULL CIRCLE AN ONCE THOUGHT WAS LOST REAPPEARS, FROM 010 WITH LOVE WINK 3/69-10/70
BARRY WINKLER <COBRA129TH@AOL.COM>
LAKELAND, FL USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 20:33:07 (MST)

Ray glad to hear the surgery went fine. don't push it man give it time to heal. it will take longer than you want it to. trust me on that one LOL. Rick next time I see you I am going to throw something at you for telling us about that game site. ........ it's addictive fun but addictive. I even bookmarked it so I can try to get further naxt time LOL. Later brothers and sisters. don't get hooked on that silly game like I did :-)
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 20:15:41 (MST)

Robbie...check out cbi,ww2..there's all kinds of hits there, over 800. I couldn't find anything on the 3848 quartermaster co. maybe a battalion number??? There's a list of accompanying books at the end of the first write up of cbi operations...good luck. Glad teh surgery was a success, Ray.
kimla Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 18:57:45 (MST)

hello flight.... rick that a neat game thanks...rob i think u are right i do better with with one hand...just cant use caps may be will use all caps ;0 .. i enjoy comming here take care my brothers and sisters you all have me a lot a brother always ray
ray gagner <stillwating@aol.com>
street , md USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 12:50:34 (MST)

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/helicopter.html*********************This is a cool heilcopter game. Try it you'll like it.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 12:12:16 (MST)

Ray, I'm glad you're ok after your surgery, and you type better with one hand than you do with two.... Wonder where that Great big 2nd Plt patch went that we had made for The Judge. Remember we had our names and Gail and Brenda on it. Hang in there gunner... Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 07:38:18 (MST)

hello flight....just to let ya know surgry went well..... sholder will be good as new soon ...well just want to let ya know take care a brother always ray typing with one hand ;-)
ray gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, md USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 06:07:02 (MST)

Hey flight, anyone out there? the last msg has been there since yesterday morning. I'm looking for some help finding some World War 2 web sites. In particular, I am looking for the 3848th Quartermaster Trucking Company. A friend of mine is trying to find some guys that were in the China/Asia theatre in 1944 through 1946. He drove a truck on the Burma Road while there. He has pictures of himself and someone named Sal and Joe, but no last names. If someone knows Where i could find some WWII webs I would appreciate a shout. Just put something in the log and i will see it. Thanks Rob. (Kris, how did Ray's surgery go?)
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 06:01:52 (MST)

Good luck on the surgery Ray. Here is a joke for you. ********************Three Army Wives were talking about there Love life at the commissary The first one was an Infantry officer's wife said "My Husband is Like a Rolls-Royce; smooth and sophisticated." the second an Artillery Officer's wife said, "Mine is like a Porsche; fast and powerful." the third one an Army Aviator's wife said, Mine is like an old Chevy, It needs a Hand start and I have to jump on while it's still Going." Heeee!******* Be careful out there
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, October 28, 2002 at 04:30:17 (MST)

Subject: Former Bulldog member CW2 Paul Forhan, March 69-Mar 70 Looking for information on my brother and his time with the 129th, Bulldogs. UH1 pilot 'champagne flight'. Trying to retrieve photos, stories, aquaintances etc from his time with the unit. The bulldog website is currently inactive and am unable to find much information other than this site. Would sincerely appreciate a reply if anyone knew him during this time. Tim Forhan 2205 Maple Dr Loveland, CO 80538 timdraw@aol.com
Tim Forhan <timdraw@aol,com>
Loveland, CO USA - Monday, October 28, 2002 at 00:07:08 (MST)

Hello Flight,,, just want to say hello to all.. tomorrowI goto have the surgry done on sholderKriss will let u know Gail would but hard for her to sit sill she dont get on puter....you all wont belive this I went to PT on left sholder I had a strenth test pullen a 1 ..on right I got a 3 she said ot go tell my neolights so I did he said it was stress and we should pack uo and move to Alaska like thay will help no work there no home an Gail has a grate job here at times think Drs are worse than me lol.... I also found out Iam being termated from job because they dont want to pay ins any more...not complaimg just telling you all whats going on...I love commimg here I may mot post mudh But I love reaing all of what you have to say... But I have a felling all willl work out in my Favor I thank u all for the ear... you ll take care my brothers and sisters talking to you alll makes me feel goood inside Thanks love you all a brother forever thanks again for listing I feel the love between all Ray God bless you all
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 14:11:34 (MST)

Joe good to hear from you. I am also glad to hear you found you daughter. Please keep in touch. *********************** I just got the CD from the VHPA on Helicpoter history. If any of you want some info on other companies in RVN. I might be able to help. ***************** Flight be careful out there.**********************
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, Az USA - Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 05:33:14 (MST)

Don Congratulations on finding your daughter. Ernie Gschwender 129th 4/69-4/70
Ernie Gschwender
USA - Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 17:26:25 (MDT)

Still tryimg to locate some one from 1965-66 who flew with the guns..cobra 686 out
Tim Stem <cobra686@omniglobal.net>
Ingram, Tx USA - Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 06:55:00 (MDT)

Joe Johnson..this is my new email..I posted it here long ago..guess it got lost in the shuffle.. Have something to say to all...I know I dont post often in here..but I come and read..but yesterday afternoon..at around 130pm Central...I received a call ....from...my daughter that was born 3 months after I left Vietnam in May of 72' I have been searching for her for 30 years...and she found me.....needless to say..it has been an highly emotional 24 hours...She is in Orlando, Fl..and has an incredible story of survival after I was forced out of Vietnam in 72' Will share with all when I re-gain my composure..... Joe Johnson ..plz contact me by email or phone...awaiting your commo......
Don Johnson <Cobra_010@hotmail.com>
Oklahoma City, Ok USA - Friday, October 25, 2002 at 16:21:45 (MDT)

Hi all! They got the sniper!!!!!! Everyone can breath a little easier around here. When is the celebration in D.C.? Is it the weekend before Veterns Day or on Veterns Day. I was confused. Have a good time and thank you for everything.
kris <clue4blue@hotmail.com>
baltimore, md USA - Friday, October 25, 2002 at 06:52:53 (MDT)

hi flight. steve spencer here again letting you know that we have heard from some of you about commin to the 173d airbnorne/129th xmas party to be held at the pop a top on dec 14th with live music following the meal. again we are staying at the holiday express in celina ohio 419 586 4919 rate's are 60.00. ask for the airborne xmas for reduced and plkease let mark or me know so that we can plan on food for all. dinner is $5.75 all you can eat and what ever we can talk mark and dee out of. please bring a gag grift for the number in your party. we mix them up ladies in one group and guys in another and past them out. was a great time last year and after meeting so many of you at mark's place and ind we will enjoy sharing our night with you. ps I was a door gunner with casper. mark is like a little brother to me as are each of you. ols man you know. please stay intouch. this room rate is good till 30 nov only. PS there will be a pool party at the hotel so bring your suits and some booze starts atr 1300 hrs. hope to see a great turn out looks like about 30 as of now including those of you that have already contacted me. thanks god bless
steven m spencer <spence@bright.net>
elida, ohio USA - Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 22:06:14 (MDT)

Kim we kind of have roads thats why everybody drives a truck down here. I had to laugh when I got back to work. I don't know what came over me. Like you said heart started thumping and had to go. I work at a hospital, and a good friend of mine trains EMT's hes good friends with the chopper piolets. He said he'll get me a ride anytime I want one. When I left 129th to come back state side. I RODE IN A JEEP. Thats bad. Just can't make myself get back in one. Who needs to fly anyway when you got a good Ford Truck. Ya'll take care. Love you all.
Ron
In The Sticks, MS USA - Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 20:39:53 (MDT)

Ron...they got ROADS in Mississippi??????? the Navy has a SAR site up in yankee 1 M.O.A. So I got to see all kinds of Huey flights over the year's. I used to run outside as soon as I heard that sound, heart pounding, just staring at the sky, till I either saw it, or heard the whining as it passed by. It took getting into the sky in my own right to get past it! Nowadays I just smile when one passes over.... Kim. 71 Old Cobra's never die, they just go to hell and regroup!
Kim LaVoie <kimlav@megalink.net>
Livermore, USA - Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 19:19:16 (MDT)

Hello Flight been off the net for a couple of weeks! Man sounds like all Hell broke loose, glad I got to read it all because I would have dropped an email chewing somebody out for what was said about Mark. If you go back and raed everyone was angry, but still helt that helping hand out to a brother that needed help. Ain't family great you can screw up and they still love ya. Mark nice peice you wrote. You don't have to thank us for nothing, we thank you for all you've done. They Huey making its rounds stopped in Tupelo, MS. Imagine that went out to see it on final. Heard that unmistakeable wop wop of the blades got in my truck and left. Don't know why just couldn't deal with it. Felt funny inside. Oh well to live another day. Flight got to go love reading all the como, but if your out for a couple of week, you got a lot of reading to do. Love you all. Mark you keep up the good work.
Ron Cooper
In The Sticks, MS USA - Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 19:55:06 (MDT)

Evening Flight, Today started out being one of those you just want to forget, until I went to lunch. I had just finished ordering when in walks Barry Winkler, we started memory talking and before long I had over shot lunch by a half hour. Went back to work feeling like who cares all they can do is fire me, not take away my memories. Barry thanks for stopping by. you were the pick me up I needed. AND to the rest of the flight, it's this site and the commo that keeps me going. Always a brother Dennis
Dennis Fuerstenau <dfuerst_2000@netzero.net>
Davenport, FL USA - Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 19:02:16 (MDT)

Hello Mark... that was a powerful note you left I to am one that this sight was made ... for Iam doingg so much better for I never had true friend..oh had some say thet were frind but mear words when you write all can tell it comes from your heat...Your one heck of a brother and Dee must be one heck of a lady I love all on here Iam here to stay.... we will make it to poptop some day... did u ever ge song pop a ttop again...I want to thank all of my brotherd snd sisters for whay they done If not for all of u I have no clue.. fpr here I was given the help and love from u all one day I behble tohelp some one as you all helped me I thank you alll from my heart;; I be a brother to all for ever Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol>
street, MD USA - Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 09:08:21 (MDT)

Flight, I have just posted a memorial for John Thorp on the Virtual Wall from his friends of the 129th AHC. Always there-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 08:11:52 (MDT)

Dear,Dear 129th family...................WOW.......so many great and nice and neat things happening in my life at this time.............1st.....is a real strange thing........my father and I............he is a hard nose WWII Marine combat vet.........I worked for him for 40 years.....hated him and every minute of it all.......now that we no longer work with each other..........we LOVE each other.......somethinbg that I wanted to feel for years..............I make a visit to see him each week.......and drive away with a warm feeling in my heart that I finally can say to him that I love him and give him a hug.Long story, but, am going through a good ending to it!!!!!!!...........have had the pleasure of having some very interesting Vets stop in the Pop-A-Top the last few weeks......last night had a WWII navy crewmen of the USS ARKANSAS stop in and tell me stories of his tour....very interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....he recalls the attack on Okinanwa. and stated how his ship bombed the crap out of the island for 2 weeks befor the Marines went in. The jar heads still met resistance........my father was one of those Marines..........................the Pop-A-Top was "SPOT LIGHTED" in the Ohio Tavern News Mag last week.........we made the front page. Colored pix and all.......the theme of being all about the Vets has really been spread around.......we are getting Vets from all over making a trip here............last week had a school teacher friend of mine bring two Viet Vets in.....the one left with goose bumps on him........stopped back later and left my some artifacts.........gettinf new stuff all the time now.........need a ware house almost.........today............a Viet Vet and his wife stopped in........he is from Antwarp Ohio. North of here about 60 miles. They were in Columbus Ohio at a Stand Down Rally that they attend.......there they met a Vet from Cleveland that I know that has been here and he gave them a Pop-A-Top Drink chip. Told then, if they were ever near Coldwater, stop in and see the place......from Antwarp, to Columbus, to Cleveland to Coldwater.....we are known a a safe haeven for the Vets..........as this one told me today, He has never felt more comfortable and welcomed in a bar before. Even more so then hid VFW at home.....also have word that a bar owner in Lime saw the article in the tavern News and has sent a message to me that he was there the night Larry went down.........small world, I tell you all.................I know I have said it before in here, and will until the day that I die...................you all really , really have know clue what you have done for me............by just being here.........and out there.......and posting in here.......and telling your stories and lives in here.........200+ strong and still growing........Larry's, and all the missing 129th spirit's are so much alive here......you all can take the cridit for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!......for with out you........this page would not exsist............I am a sap for love my friends...............and have more then I can handle from all of this..............but will continue to try and absorb it all......I thank each and every one of you for all that you have done.............stay active in here...............as I have noticed in the recent.........some who dont always talk in here, have made some post to some of the subjects brought up, Such as the Nam songs como we had over the last week or so..........good to see, and know that you are out there.....I am here to tell you , my family, that Larry has not been this colse to me in years.........I mean.....he is standing right next to me as I type this telling me what to say......strange sounding??????????????......is strange to me also gang.......but is true........am I nuts , or have I gone off the deep end??????????????........./NOPE...............just relaying the message in my heart............God Bless you all.........Dee and I wish the best for all of you and your loved ones...................our relationship in here is "PRICELESS"......Cost nothing, is free, and something that I will take to my grave with me..........I'm sorry, that I get so sappy in here.......I always want to come in here and join with the natual como.......but get to over whelmed with just the feeling of being here and being with you all that I just have to tell you that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!............remember.......129th, 173rd xmas party at the Pop-A-Top Dec 14......come and make it if you can.........there have been some post in the past of local hotel info for the stay over.........the Herd has 30 coming so far......have heard of some of the 129th may show up also..........the herd has invited all of you to come and join in......they are as great of bunch of a crew and love Dee and I, and the Pop-A-Top, as much as you all do!!!!!!!!!!!! .........I best be going.....had the night off tonight............so what am I still doing up............feel like I am just settin' round the kitchen table talkin' to my family.............I love you all................always, always a brother...........Thanks..............Mark
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 22:33:54 (MDT)

Dan, yes he is the one. click on my web page and you can see all but two we lost, I am still working on the information. as soon as I get it all together I will add their names to my web site. Later, Don Mar 69 - 70
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley farms, AZ USA - Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 20:07:36 (MDT)

The "moving" wall came to the Seattle area this week. I had to stop by and say Hi to Larry and some guys I knew from the 192nd. I could not find Thorpe, the guy that was shot while running a roadblock in 1968. As close as I could come was a John William Thorp from Huntington, NY that died on 9/8/68. Does anyone know if that is the our guy?
Dan Hertlein <dhert10408@aol.com>
Sumner, WA USA - Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 17:01:05 (MDT)

Ron and Jamie-earning those wings aren't you. Always there-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 09:58:30 (MDT)

Kim, the closest I came to taking a ride like that was when I saw an old H-model at the Olathe, Colorado Corn Festival in July. A veterans group from Grand Junction had it on a flatbed trying to raise money for a Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Fruita. Similar experience, though... I crawled all around it and pointed out several features to the guys there who, while in Vietnam did little more than ride in them. It was a real walk down memory lane, though I didn't actually take a "ride". They said that the military is practically giving those old Hueys away.
Dave Powers <powers@montrose.net>
Montrose, Colorado USA - Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 07:24:04 (MDT)

Flight: Well hope everyone is having a great week!! Ray, Rick and I will be in D.C. to give a real 129th WELCOME HOME!! It's going to be a moving couple of days. Just staying in the same hotel with Hal Moore and the rest of the IDRANG Group. It's the Hilton Crystal City. VHCMA and the 1st Cav. will have hospitality rooms. I will be arriving to late for the dinner with the IDRANG Group. It's starts at 7:00pm sat. night. I get in at 8:00pm. But, will have the opportunity to meet with them. Gently!! what type of army hat do you need!! I will see if I can find you one. Just let me know by tonight if possible . I work a late shift tomorrow. Well glad to see the flight log picking up. And all the different things of interest being shared. Take Care Brothers and Sisters. Alex
Alex <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN. USA - Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 06:58:40 (MDT)

oops, just read what I posted....75 model, sorry
Kim LaVoie
USA - Monday, October 21, 2002 at 20:42:01 (MDT)

I got to crawl all over a 77 H model, a few years ago, at the Owls Head Transportation Museum. The guy doing the talking about it, described it as a Vietnam Veteran, so , when I looked at the SN, I questioned the pilot about it. We got talking, and I told him of my experiences with them. Got treated like a KING!!!!! the first thing I noticed about them now, is the new rotor blades, with the taper at the tips, to quiet them down. It may be a quieter ride than years ago, but, it still has that wop wop sound pulling pitch! Had a fun day, for sure! got to play crewchief for a day, helped preflight it, rode left seat...Cry, you BAS--RD'S!!!!!!!!! Kim
KiM La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
Livermore, Me USA - Monday, October 21, 2002 at 20:36:54 (MDT)

Opps forgot to give cell phone # 410 916 3869 thanks again Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Monday, October 21, 2002 at 17:04:04 (MDT)

Hello flight....I sure wished I had all unifoms but when I got out.. I threw all away I mean everything ... Now I wished I saved so I could send them to You Gently ... Now I want to thank all my brothers and sisters for someone sent me a Tee shirt with the 129th Emblem on it.. I tell you all it seems when I feel that iam in a circle you all come to me and get me out I have mo words to say how I feel but thanks to all .. I willl alwasys be part of this group I love you all and this comes from heart not just mear words.... take care my brothes amd sisters For I know one dau I will be able to reach outto some as you have for me... Tkanks for everything and be asured I will wear it with pride and honor a brother to all Take care and be safe I will do my best to be in DC on nNov 11th I call alex he gave me cell phone I give ypu all mine so u can try to call me Once again Iam so touche bye what you allk have done to helpmeI havs come a long way since I frist come here at times i do go offf the deep end but I come bck I thank you all a brother always Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Monday, October 21, 2002 at 17:01:31 (MDT)

The huey was in Hardin Co today. I got to see it but no ride. It was pretty awesome. I am sure it brings back lots of memories for some. I am truly glad everything is back to normal on the site. I was concerned last week. Every needs to take care of each other. We are all brothers and sisters. Even tho I wasn't in Vietnam I still feel like I am part of the 129 because of Michael Shanley. I am truly grateful for the support and love I have received from everyone. I feel closer to Michael because you all care so much for each other. As always WELCOME HOME and THANK YOU. Always a sister, Katharine
Katharine <fricabeunme@aol.com>
elizabethtown, ky USA - Monday, October 21, 2002 at 16:54:17 (MDT)

Caught it myself Tom. Gen. Moore seems to still be the "whipper snapper" he was in '65. Note that on Nov. 4th at 9pm(ET/PT) the Travel Channel will present "The Vietnam Veterans Memorial: Wall of Courage." Mark it down. And if you don't have cable, visit a friend who does....promise to bring the beer. Additionally, I need some help: whenever our VVA Chapter presents the Missing Man Table I have to borrow dress hats from our local army surplus store. Now, they are happy to do it, but it causes alot of running around and stress for me because I want to return them promptly and in perfect condition. What I need is a dress hat from each of the five branches of service, to keep. Please consider helping me out, knowing your hat will be used in a place of honor, representing our POW/MIA's from Viet Nam for years to come. Get it out of the attic....and let it be part of our very beautiful and moving ceremony. Email me off the web if you can help me out. There are other outlets for me, but I'm starting with you guys, because it would be an honor for me to use your hats and connections at our ceremnony. Always there-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Monday, October 21, 2002 at 14:54:36 (MDT)

Watched ‘War Stories With Oliver North’ on the Fox News Channel tonight. A very rapid but good history of helicopter warfare. Had Hal Moore and some Nam era pilots and showed the battle of the Ia Drang Valley and a lot of good combat footage from the beginning to the end of the war, some Panama, Gulf War and a bit from Afghanistan. If you can get that channel, future showings are listed for Oct 20th and Oct 27th. Cobra Soothsayer, 67-68
Tom Shanahan <Shanahan00@Cox.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 20:23:04 (MDT)

Thanks for the info Ted. That's a great site & I hope that it comes to our area sometime. Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 16:10:14 (MDT)

Hey flight, check out "intheshadowoftheblade.com" A restored Huey is making the rounds through the southern states. If any of you are near the LZ's I understand rides are possible.
Ted Buisker <Skyking@stateline-isp.com>
Davis, IL. USA - Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 18:27:29 (MDT)

Ray!! When you found the 129th web site. You found family. Were hear to support all our Brothers and Sisters out there!! Glad you are getting the help that you need. We have brothers that work at the VA. that will be more and glad to help us find our way through the VA system. You have my cell number. Call if you make to DC. Barry: glad to hear your still out there. Were going to have Mark make a honorary Ohioan. Lot of good people from there!! Like yours truly. Don't know if I will be able to make the Christmas party. But, with you there it will be lively!!! Well flight I wish you all a safe weekend. Your Brother!! Alex
Alex <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 11:17:47 (MDT)

Hello Flight... just saying hello to uou all Alex I enjoyed talking to you to I will try my best to get to wall and met my brothers I tel you all you have given me so much help andhelped things to look good even in My dark days Love you all you all be safe I let youknow how surgry gose a brother always Fred take care brother know I to am here for you always we are all famly always will be Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
Street, MD USA - Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 10:50:23 (MDT)

EVENING FLIGHT BEEN READING THE COMO'S MAN DID IT GET HOT FOR AWHILE,I COULD FEEL THE PUNCHES THROWN THROUGH THE MONITOR, HA HA JUST A JOKE,BUT ITS NICE TO KNOW THAT WE STAND BEHIND EACH OTHER AN WILLING TO UNDERSTAND AND FORGIVE. THAT WHAT KEEPS US CLOSE JUST LIKE A FARAWAY PLACE I ONCE VISITED LONG AGO IN MY YOUNGER YEARS AN FOUND THE BEST PEOPLE EVER AN FEEL HONORED TO KNOW MORE OF THE 129TH FAMILY.BUT ANYWAY ,BACK FROM N.Y. AN SEEING MY DAUGHTER LOVED EVERY MINUTE WITH HER. MY SISTER & HER HUBBY VISITED FOR TWO WEEKS US4ED MY PLACE AS A BASE OF OPERATIONS . THEY FOUND A PLACE IN POICANA AND BOUGHT, ONLY ABOUT HALF AN HOUR FROM ME.IT WILL BE GREAT TO HAVE HER DOWN. GOING BACK UP TO N.Y. IN DECEMBER TO SEE DAUGHTER AN THEN FROM THERE I,M GOING TO SHOOT OVER TO THE POP A TOP TO SEE MARK& DEE AN PARTAKE IN THE XMAS PARTY WITH THE 173RD. ANYONE ELSE THINKING OF GOING?. I HOPE ,I'D HATE TO THINK YTHAT I'LLBE THE ONLY 129THER THEIR, BUT IF I AM I'LL UPHOLD THE HONOR OF THE 129TH . AND THAT I CAN DO.GALD TO HOME, PLAYING A LITTLE GOLF AN LOVING THIS RETIERED GIG. ALL FOR NOW GOT TO WATCH THE O'RIELLY FACTOR. BE SAFE ALL, HAPPY HOLLOWEEN. WINK FROM 010 WITH LOVE 3/69-10/70
BARRY WINKLER <COBRA129TH@AOL.COM>
LAKELAND, FL USA - Friday, October 18, 2002 at 20:49:44 (MDT)

Hey flight, Ray is planning on attending the 20th also, so try to meet up with him. Always there-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, October 18, 2002 at 12:46:01 (MDT)

Don: like wise. Enjoy your weekend off. I take pictures in D.C. hope meet up with Rick. Our hotels are close together. I am cool with everything. You take care. Will talk you later. Rick!! what time do arrive in D.C. saturday night? Really looking forward to the 20th aniverary at the wall. And everything else thats going on. Take Care. Alex
Alex
USA - Friday, October 18, 2002 at 10:25:58 (MDT)

Alex, it was great talking with you today. and am I jealous of your trip, I would love to go too. but things like that are not in the cards yet. as for the other matter, I did some checking and I agree 100%. but then "it ain't no big thing" asa long as it works it's self out. have fun with the Cav. Later Don
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 19:00:16 (MDT)

HI FLIGHT. STEVE SPENCER HERE AGAIN. HAVE 25 ALREADY COMMING TO THE 173D /129th
steven m spencer <spence00@bright.net>
elida, ohio USA - Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 13:28:00 (MDT)

I was told they are going to be at the banquet for freedom bird. Good idea to bring the book. I am leaving the 9th and coming back the 11th I get the itenarey tonight at the meeting. Will know more then. I will write down your #. Idon't think we are going to be able to go to Va. More info later. Be careful out there.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 05:38:53 (MDT)

Rick: Talked to Chris White. Saturday evening at the hotel. Gen. Moore and the other Cav. will be at a dinner and hospitality room for the cav. Going to get a book of WE WERE SOLDIERS and get them to sign it. My cell number is 901-487-0374. Hopefully we can meet up. When are you flying in to DC. I fly into Cleveland next weekend. Liz and I are going to see family. OH! Chris White said to have a warm jacket. Ray! good talking to you this morning. Hope your surgery on the shoulder next week will heal fast. Take care Flight!! Alex
Alex <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn USA - Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 13:33:36 (MDT)

Fred, thanks for the info, I will go check it out. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY - Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 08:36:55 (MDT)

Robbie, Go to www.cduniverse.com, I just checked it, USA Union, is $9.79 with shipping, it`s cd form remastered. Cheapest place to by CD`s. If it`s something "out of print" go to www.gemm.com ,they can get anything out of print, but you might pay "import" prices. Gemm is a little more expensive because of that. Also Gemm sells "used" cd`s dirt cheap, 6 or 7 bucks. USA UNION is a masterpiece, it and " THE TURNING POINT" the one before "USA UNION" were both done "live" without a drummer. TURNING POINT was done at the Fillmore East 12th July 1969, USA UNION was done live in the studio 1970. Both are spontaneous and tight. Rick England, you remember we were talking about J.B.Lenoir, well John Mayall`s "TURNING POINT" has a song he wrote in honor of J.B. It`s called " I`m Gonna Fight For You J.B."
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 07:49:48 (MDT)

Ron & Jamie, got the shirts yesterday. Many thanks and they look great. Fred Skaggs, when I was at Ft. Hood 1970-71, I had an 8 track of John Mayall that i cannot find anywhere. I believe it was USA Union. You have any idea where i can get a copy of this? It sure would bring back some memories. 8 tracks...... What a concept.
Robbie
Rochester , NY USA - Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 06:26:15 (MDT)

Al Fernwalt: I sent an e-mail to you & it came back undeliverable (don't know why). My Home address is: 869 Airport road Sheridan, Wyoming 82801 would be Honored to get an application from the president, congrats & good luck; Jim Westwang
Jim Westwang <westwang@fiberpipe.net>
Sheridan, Wy USA - Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 02:29:44 (MDT)

DON JOHNSON I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CONTACT YOU, BUT YOUR E-MAIL AS POSTED DOES NOT WORK. IF YOU CAN CONTACT ME . YOUR BUD JOE JOHNSON
JOE JOHNSON <cobra073@yahoo.com>
thailand, - Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 00:03:37 (MDT)

Fred Alvis; That was an attempt at humor, you always said how i used to make you laugh no?? remember you are still my best friend & all the good times we had. It was not meant to hurt at all. If your e-mails are being returned, change to fiberpipe instead of cyberhighway. they will not forward any longer. Your pal, Jim
Jim Westwang <westwang @ fiberpipe.net>
Sheridan, Wy. USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 23:06:33 (MDT)

what u saying jim? i know ur my friend and that wasnt a shot across the bow,but damn if i can figure it out. To be honest,i dont know how to reply,i just tried twice and deleated all.I dont know man,guess its still tender. thisn kinda shit gets me brooding for days,depressed.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 16:03:29 (MDT)

Sent you the Addy alex, glad things are doing better. Remember we all have PTSD... I went to a Seminar once by Tom Williams Psy. ED who is the foremost authority on PTSD in the Northwest ( I have a hand signed copy of the clinicians handbook for PTSD) written by him. Anyway, I asked him if I had Ptsd, He asked what I did & I told him & he said that" he never knew a helicopter Crew person who did not have PTSD in some form. We all know the ghosts in our closets all too well. It's how well we function that counts. (quote) End quote". By the way Fred Alvis, did you just get disturbed because it seems like I remember you being fairly disturbed at a place called Lane AHP or maybe its just a dream. Yours as always, Jim
Jim Westwang <WESTWANG@FIBERPIPE.NET>
Sheridan, Wy. USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 14:26:18 (MDT)

John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers-now there's some good memories! Thanks Brother Fred, you've made my day. Always there-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 12:26:53 (MDT)

I TOLD SOME FRIENDS YOU CAME FROM GARY.... BUT YOUR HOME WAS IN NAPTOWN....LAST TIME I SAW YOU WAS NEW YORK CITY....LEAVING ON A GREYHOUND....HOMEWARD BOUND. I GAVE YOU WHAT I HAD IN MY POCKET......ENOUGH FOR CANDY BARS AND BEER.....I WAVE GOODBYE....BUT I HELD BACK THE TEARS.....I STARTED THINKIN ABOUT YOU UP IN MILWAKEE.....IT WAS RAINING WHEN I GOT TO CHICAGO.....BUT THE TEARS DIDN`T START ROLLING DOWN MY CHEEKS.......UNTIL I GOT TO KOKOMO!!!!! Words from the new John Mayall& The Bluesbreakers CD, the song is called "KOKOMO". When I get depressed music brings me back into the fold. Wish I would have found this a couple of weeks ago. You guys could have "cranked it up" in the cornfield. Anything you all want to know about music, my collection dates back to 1947 for blues and jazz.
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 10:59:45 (MDT)

i am glad this is cleared up.I was very disturbed for many reasons.back to tranquill waters i hope and fred , press charges,its the only way he will learn.
fred alvis
USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 10:11:23 (MDT)

Flight this info on Marvin G. Schultz Home address- 29259 Rostad loop- Underwood, MN 56586 or Fargo VA Regional & Medical Center- 2101 North Elm street - Fargo, ND 58102-Room #2119. Please let this vetearn know you care and keep his wife and family in your prayers. Thank You!! Alex PS. Liz and I Met Rainer and Dee Bauer at the Grand Casino, Sunday evening and bought them dinner. Before I left won enough to pay for vacation. Haven't heard from Rainer in a few days. Hope their winning.
Alex
Memphis, TN USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 10:02:50 (MDT)

Fred: I sent you a email apolgizing before checking the log today. I was wrong on a few of my comments in my earlier post. And I hope you can accept it. If anything has come out of all this, Mark and Dee Jackson is family to all of the 129th Family. And Fred Skaggs your our Brother, and part of the family. I feel better knowing that it wasn't you making those comments. And hopefully the young man can get himself some help. It's time to get back to being a united 129th family. I haven't seen this much commo in a while. Ray! good talking to you yesterday. And will talk to you again. Jim email your address and I will send you a application to the VHCMA. Anyone else whom wants one send me your address. Got a call sunday night . A Mrs.Marvin G. Schultz. she was crying,here her husband Marvin had part of leg apmutated at VA. hospital in Fargo, ND. He is depressed because he thinks that nobody cares. He was with the 174th. I will put the info in another post. Maybe some of us can send a card letting Marvin and his family know, that at the 129th we care. Flight I didn't know being president of the VHCMA would put me in such personal contact with so many of our Vietnam Brothers and their families. The VHCMA has a sick call on their web site. Inclosing Fred WELCOME HOME!! Were all good people here. And very protective of all our BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Alex
Alex Fernwalt <alfernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn. USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 09:15:05 (MDT)

Fred: I sent you a email apolgizing before checking the log today. I was wrong on a few of my comments in my earlier post. And I hope you can accept it. If anything has come out of all this, Mark and Dee Jackson is family to all of the 129th Family. And Fred Skaggs your our Brother, and part of the family. I feel better knowing that it wasn't you making those comments. And hopefully the young man can get himself some help. It's time to get back to being a united 129th family. I haven't seen this much commo in a while. Ray! good talking to you yesterday. And will talk to you again. Jim email your address and I will send you a application to the VHCMA. Anyone else whom wants one send me your address. Got a call sunday night . A Mrs.Marvin G. Schultz. she was crying,here her husband Marvin had part of leg apmutated at VA. hospital in Fargo, ND. He is depressed because he thinks that nobody cares. He was with the 174th. I will put the info in another post. Maybe some of us cand send a card letting Marvin and his family know that at the 129th we care. Flight I didn't know being president of the VHCMA would put me in such personal contact with so many of our Vietnam Brothers and their families. The VHCMA has a sick call on their web site. Inclosing Fred WELCOME HOME!! Were all good people here. And very protective of all our BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Alex
Alex Fernwalt <alfernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn. USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 09:13:58 (MDT)

Fred: I sent you a email apolgizing before checking the log today. I was wrong on a few of my comments in my earlier post. And I hope you can accept it. If anything has come out of all this, Mark and Dee Jackson is family to all of the 129th Family. And Fred Skaggs your our Brother, and part of the family. I feel better knowing that it wasn't you making those comments. And hopefully the young man can get himself some help. It's time to get back to being a united 129th family. I haven't seen this much commo in a while. Ray! good talking to you yesterday. And will talk to you again. Jim email your address and I will send you a application to the VHCMA. Anyone else whom wants one send me your address. Got a call sunday night . A Mrs.Marvin G. Schultz. she was crying,here her husband Marvin had part of leg apmutated at VA. hospital in Fargo, ND. He is depressed because he thinks that nobody cares. He was with the 174th. I will put the info in another post. Maybe some of us cand send a card letting Marvin and his family know that we care. Flight I didn't know being president of the VHCMA would put me in such personal contact with so many of our Vietnam Brothers and their families. The VHCMA has a sick call on their web site. Inclosing Fred WELCOME HOME!! Were all good people here. And very protective of all our BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Alex
Alex Fernwalt <alfernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn. USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 09:12:41 (MDT)

Fred: I sent you a email apolgizing before checking the log today. I was wrong on a few of my comments in my earlier post. And I hope you can accept it. If anything has come out of all this, Mark and Dee Jackson is family to all of the 129th Family. And Fred Skaggs your our Brother, and part of the family. I feel better knowing that it wasn't you making those comments. And hopefully the young man can get himself some help. It's time to get back to being a united 129th family. I haven't seen this much commo in a while. Ray! good talking to you yesterday. And will talk to you again. Jim email your address and I will send you a application to the VHCMA. Anyone else whom wants one send me your address. Got a call sunday night . A Mrs.Marvin G. Schultz. she was crying,here her husband Marvin had part of leg apmutated at VA. hospital in Fargo, ND. He down because he thinks that nobody cares. He was with the 174th. I will put the info in another post. Maybe some of us cand send a card letting Marvin and his family know that we care. Flight I didn't know being president of the VHCMA would put me in such personal contact with so many of our Vietnam Brothers and their families. The VHCMA has a sick call on their web site. Inclosing Fred WELCOME HOME!! Were all good people here. And very protective of all our BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Alex
Alex Fernwalt <alfernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn. USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 09:10:17 (MDT)

Hello Fred my brother ... good to see you again on here... I must say Ian sorry to for what I said I should have know better... I am praying for you like all of us here for when a brother falls we all do we are a family ... Please take care... a brother to all here....Ray
Ray Ggner <stilwating@aol,com>
Street, MD USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 06:13:12 (MDT)

Fred Wow you had all of us going for awhile. It sure was good to see the postings that were in there this morning. I hope your nephew can get the help he needs and turn his life around. You're a good Uncle trying to help him, and maybe he'll realize it one of these days. Glad that nothing worse happened. Mark you are the wisest of us all. You do have a bit of Larry with you.... Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 06:02:28 (MDT)

.........Freddie boy...............good talkin' to ya today.....please know that all is well, as I know you do..................glad I still caught ya up just a few minutes ago on the phone.............the killing tonight..in DC....yeah.......terrible, absolutly terrible.. best we just lay our heads down and close our eyes. Tomorrow , if we make it till then, is a gift.....it's been a long day...........I love ya Freddie.........hope all works out with the nefew............keep us posted if you wish to...................129th!!!!!!!! you all are the greatest bunch of folks I have ever met in my life..........we love you all..............always a brother and sister....mark and Dee
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 22:46:47 (MDT)

Brothers and Sisters and Flight, Just up late can`t sleep and now the Sniper has struck again. I`m getting a feeling that is more than just common criminal. Maybe this is a terrorist in the sense of 9/11. Just a feeling. Thanks for the kind words you all. To the young lady about laser surgery, I`ll stick to my glasses and bifocals. No thanks
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 22:38:19 (MDT)

Brothers and Sisters and Flight, Just up late can`t sleep and now the Sniper has struck again. I`m getting a feeling that is more than just common criminal. Maybe this is a terrorist in the sense of 9/11. Just a feeling. Thanks for the kind words you all.
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 22:36:04 (MDT)

Fred, Brother!!! Very glad to see it was not you that posted that note. It sure had us going there. Mark is very special to us all. Please know that we would rally to your defense if someone attacks you. Hope things work out with your nephew. If I can be any help please ask. Love and Brotherhood Ron Paye
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 21:54:04 (MDT)

Freddie, Jeez! I was out of net for some days and trying to catch up. Really wierd reading this from top to bottom. Jim, you should have e-mail from me. Wrote it before I had read all this. I thought you were refering to something else. By the way Fred, you didn't give your nephew directions to my house I hope. Take care everyone!
jeff sauers
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 19:49:49 (MDT)

Fred, you don't know how glad and releved to hear that wasn't you that made that post. when I read it all I could do was sit with my mouth hanging open trying to figure out what your problem was. I made my post after I thought about it for a while and calmed down. I try not to make snap judgments because I'm usually wrong. if I said anything in my post that upset you ..... I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to slam you but I did want to tell "you" how I felt about this site and Mark and Dee. you as well as all the other brothers and sisters of the 129th are what this site is all about. welcome back from your trip and I hope things work out for you and your family. later,Don
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 19:32:16 (MDT)

Brothers and Sisters, police just departed the house. No need to dust or anything like that,pretty cut and dry. I had a "old water cooler glass jug" that I put quarters in, and he broke it open and took all the quarters. Police checked out things and ask alot of questions. Making sure it`s not a "inside job" for insurance fraud. Wondered why my truck is still had Ohio plates. Guess I`ll have to change that over. For now on I`m talking about Sports and Music, that`s all. God`s payin me back for something I`ve done wrong. Maybe Larry Jackson just sent me a message from above. This is what can happen when you mess with the Brothers from the 129th. You`all sure crushed my butt. I`m tryin not to take it personal. Mark told me not to....I just feel like I could sit down cry I`m so upset. I`m not asking for sympathy, I`m just wore out.
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 18:34:28 (MDT)

Fred I believe you and if you needed any help please call or e-mail. Welome home Brother and be careful out there. As Gently said, PHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
Rick England
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 17:01:40 (MDT)

Whoa....what a relief!! I believe you also Fred,but, you have to admit that we sure got blindsided. Welcome back home brother. If you need any help with anything..give me a call ( if you can dial the phone with that broken hand--oops not funny!) :o) Always a brother, Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 15:53:05 (MDT)

hugs to fred skaggs. welcome back home.I to have been ripped by family..its an old story.Sorry it had to happen to you and yours.do i believe you? yes.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 15:23:33 (MDT)

Hello brother Fred we all are here to help you call me any time ok... we are all brothers....and will do all we an to help you...so take care brother and again know we all care still a brother always Ray.... take care Fred again here is my # 410 836 3319 please call we can talk ok
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street , MD USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 15:13:03 (MDT)

Phew. Gently
Gently <Jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 15:12:46 (MDT)

......HANG TUFF FREDDIE BOY.....WE LOVE YA BROTHER.......................USE US, IF YOU NEED US. YA HEAR DAT!!!!!!.......WE ARE HERE FOR YOU..........AS I SAID......I STAND NEXT TO FRED AND BELIEVE HIM 100%........I JUST KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING FISHY ABOUT IT ALL... .......ALL.........ALWAYS A BROTHER, MARK
MARK JACKSON
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 14:52:14 (MDT)

OK THIS IS THE REAL FRED SKAGGS..... In my defense, I did not do this!!!! God strike me dead where I`m sitting right now. This is gonna take awhile, First of all I`ve talked to Brother Mark and he knows the story. Kim and I have been in Columbus and Upper Sandusky, Ohio ALL Weekend, It was her 40th brithday and Homecoming for Ohio State. We had went home to celebrate her brithday and Homecoming. Some of her family had come in from Campbell, California to celebrate also. Here is what has happen, Wednsday evening my 23 year old nephew pulled into the driveway. He said he was on his way to Florida and wanted to see me, because he hadn`t seen me since we returned from europe. He was in Jail, that`s why. He`s been in the system since he was 12 years old. He was released last year on "shock probation". His offenses were sexual assault on a minor, Showing porno to minors, "cloning" cell phone numbers and pagers, and sending threatening e-mails to his school teachers. But being me, I thought jail had changed him. He had gotten a good job at UPS, with the help of his mom and my brother. Had bought a nice car, he had his own apartment. They were drug testing him at the job and probation officer was also making him test. I thought he had turn the corner!!!! Now, Kim and I were going home this week-end and they had be having "break ins" in the neighborhood. We don`t have a security system in our house, because it`s a rental property. So Kim and I thought, he`s changed so we can maybe trust him to "hang around the house" and watch the place. Now my browser is set on the 129th web-site. When Jake ask to get on my computer to send e-mails to friends, I said no problem. He did question me about the web-site, NOT TO OFFEND anyone, but I just wasn`t paying attention to what he was asking me. I said" It`s just a bunch of guys telling war stories and a bullshiting. Now Kim told him, Don`t get on the web-site because your Uncle Fred raises hell with those guys and they get mad at him. Fred still thinks he`s in the 60`s and 70`s and still being a peace freak!!!!! Now I did make reference to Mark`s a Mariine and I`m Army so I don`t always agree with him. I just didn`t give what said much thought. I was to busy watching baseball on TV. Well I dropped Kim off at Columbus Airport Sunday morning, because she has business in Denver, Colorado this week. Went by to see my mother, I didn`t tell her about Jake being at my house, because she has enough problems with my step-father dying. Hospice has been coming around for about two months now. But I stayed at Country Inn at State Route 256 and Interstate 70, last night so I could get a early start on coming home this morning. Well I got home at 1:15PM today and to my surprize I have phone calls and e-mail asking me if I needed help!!!!!! First of all that`s not my style of writing, I rarely use a cuss word or I try to articulate things well enough without doing that. And I never refer to Kim as just "my wife" she don`t have a clue about this. She will when I call her tonight. Jake stole my Bose sound system and just threw beer cans and a wine bottle all over the kitchen. I got to call the Raleigh police for a report for insurance purposes. Change all the lockes in the house, because Jake has a key. BROTHERS, If I could invent a story like this, I`d be writing scripts in Hollywood. And I say that without one bit of a sense of humor. This starting to be a nightmare for me. I `m hoping the he hasn`t got any "credit card" numbers or my PIN numbers of Kim and I. I still haven`t read everything he said, In his log, But anyone that has talk to me personal, knows that I have my issues but nothing like that..... I`M SO SORRY HE HURT EVERYONE LIKE THAT..... I DON`T HAVE A DUAL PERSONALITY OR A ALTER EGO EITHER!!!!!! I DO BELEIVE IN GOD AND HE KNOWS I DIDN`T DO THIS. I`M NOT THAT MEAN.... I`m not going to make any public statement about Jake Porath(my nephew) because if something happen`s to him, they will blame me. Not that is not in my heart. I`m going let "legal channel`s" take care of this. If anyone here wants my in-laws or Kim or anyone to confirm the truth, I have them call you or e-mail you. I`M BEING TOTALLY HONEST WITH YOU. NOW JACOB PORATH KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ANY OF YOU BROTHERS..... I DON`T KNOW IF HE WAS SMOKING CRACK OR HEROINE, I`VE LOOKED AROUND THE HOUSE FOR SOMETHING TO INDICATE WHAT HE WAS DOING OTHER DRINKING BEER AND WINE. This kid`s got a criminal mind and I don`t why he would do this and why steal from me. I`ve always been good to him. But I "set myself up" for this by being a adversary on the web-site. I APLOGIZE PROFUSLY TO EVERYONE ABOUT THIS INCCIDENT. I can`t hardly type I`m so upset, my stomach is just in knots. GOD KNOWS I`M SORRY
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 14:37:57 (MDT)

HELLO BROTHERS AND SISTERS......IT IS A WONDERFUL MONDAY HERE IN OHIO AND IN MY HEART. WITH ALL THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN HERE, I HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL YOU ALL. I DID NOT, AND WOULD NOT RESPOND TO THE POST MADE TO ME SATURDAY NIGHT IN HERE, UNTIL I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO FREDDIE BOY. I KNEW SOMETHING WAS JUST NOT RIGHT ABOUT IT ALL. AFTER MAKING MANY ATEMPS TO REACH FRIEDDIE VIA LAND LINE THIS WEEK END, I FINALLY GOT TO TALK TO HIM ON THE PHONE THIS MORNING...WE HAD A WONDERFUL, HEALING TALK.....THERE IS AN EXPLANITION TO ALL OF THIS. FRED PLANS TO APPEAR IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS TO TRY AND EXPLAIN IT ALL ALSO. HE HAS A FEW THINGS HE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE POST. I AM JUST HERE TO TELL YOU FINE FOLKS THAT I BEIELEV WHAT FRED HAS TOLD ME AND I STAND BESIDE HIM WITH MY ARM AROUND HIM IN THE TRUTH OF WHAT FRED SAYS. THIS HAS ALL BEEN A VERY BAD MISUNDERSTANDING TO TO SERCOMSTANNCES BE ON OUR CONTROLL, AND CERTINALLY NOT FRED'S FAULT. I WISH THAT AFTER ALL HIS SIDE OF IT, THAT WE ALL EMBRANCE HIM. I WANT TO THATNHK ALL OF YOU THAT SET UP A PRIMITER IN FRONT OF ME. IT HAS WARMED MY HEART. NOT ONLY THE WORDS TO ME BUT ALSO TO SOME THAT WE THOUGHT NEED SOMEBODY TO TALK TO. AS I SAID, FRED DID NOT MAKE THAT POST , BUT ALL OF YOU TURNED TO HELP A BROTHER IN NEED. ......SEE WHY IT IS SUCH A WONDERFUL MONDAY IN MY HEART;-))))))))))........I LOVE YOU ALL......PLEASE TAKE CARE......ALWAYS A BROTHER AND SISTER, MARK AND DEE
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 14:36:59 (MDT)

I may be out of line, but,at this time I'd like to take it upon myself to welcome all guests that visit this site. Whether you are a friend, relative or just a surfer.....please believe me that we do not have all of this embarrassing turmoil in our flight log very often, but, we are only human & tempers tend to flare sometimes. Feel free to visit again when things calm down and to sign our guest book or leave a comment. Please don't judge us too quickly if this is your first visit. Thanks, Brothers & Sisters of the 129th Assault Helicopter Co. :o)
Gale Beard <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 11:32:19 (MDT)

MY little bit says, I had a few problems in the service as well but nothing I can't live with. I am sorry to hear this type of attack & it seems unwarranted. I have been serving vets with all kinds of problems for 20 years. This sounds like PTSD symptoms to me. There is help to be had at the VA. Unfortunately a lot of vets give or have given the VA a Bad Rap but you have to find the right people within. I Know that Jeff Sauers has been doing the same thing at Salisbury. This is the kind of anger that requires professional help. AS far as the website goes, I agree with others that this is not the forum for that but rather a place of healing. Alex, i want to join the vhfcn, can you send me some sort of application or what do i need to do? Everyone be good to yourselves & for God Sake lets be kind to each other. Mark, Thanks for what you give to us all!!!! Jim
Jim Westwang <WESTWANG@FIBERPIPE.NET>
Sheridan, Wy. USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 10:17:00 (MDT)

Flight: Want to appoligze to all of you. Also to FRED SKAGGS. I reread my last post. Fred you put me in the same frame of mind as you. And I also was playing with the same ground rules. Fred I want you to know that everyone on this site is a Brother and Sister to me. No exceptions. Were all family. I have had the pleasure of meeting a large number of our Brothers and Sisters over the last few years. We have always been here to help each other when needed. To RESPECT each other. I don't Know what effects Vietnam has left in our minds. I don't think you know the same Mark Jackson we know. He has been here for us!! Why? Larry Jackson. I have the greatest respect for Mark. Where would we be today with out this web site. Yes! I probably wouldn't be writing this now. Fred I don't know what set you off. But,I am willing to it behind us. But, you have to take the first step. Because the Brothers of the 129th always have thier arms open to a Brother. Fred I don't where you had gotten you info about Mark. But, believe me Mark Jackson has been here for us!!! Him and Dee will always be part of the 129th.Their FAMILY!! Mark hasn't presented him self for anything but being a Marine and the Brother of one of our KIA'S. Take Care Fred Skaggs and I hope together we can over come any problem you may have. This is the Home of The 129th and all whom served whether you were crew or not. Were Family Here!!!! Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 09:55:17 (MDT)

Flight: Want to appoligze to all of you. Also to FRED SKAGGS. I reread my last post. Fred you put me in the same frame of mind as you. And I also was playing with the same ground rules. Fred I want you to know that everyone on this site is a Brother and Sister to me. No exceptions. Were all family. I have had the pleasure of meeting a large number of our Brothers and Sisters over the last few years. We have always been here to help each other when needed. To RESPECT each other. I don't what effects Vietnam has left in our minds. I don't think you know the same Mark Jackson we know. He has been here for us!! Why? Larry Jackson. I have the greatest respect for Mark. Where would we be today with out this web site. Yes! I probably wouldn't be writing this now. Fred I don't what set you off. But, willing to put that behind us. But, you have to take the first step. Because the Brothers of the 129th always have thier arms open to a Brother. Fred I don't were you had gotten you info about Mark. But, believe me Mark Jackson has been here for us!!! Him and Dee will always be part of the 129th.Their FAMILY!! Mark hasn't presented him self for anything but being a Marine and the Brother of one of our KIA'S. Take Care Fred Skaggs and I hope together we can over come any problem you may have. This is the Home of The 129th and all whom served whether you were crew or not. Were Family Here!!!! Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 09:48:14 (MDT)

October birthdays of the 129th POW/MIA/KIA's: Harry Whetzel(10-29-33), Stephan Hargrave(10-29-50)Martin Vanden Eykel(10-4-43). May we never forget that "All gave some, some gave all." Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 08:58:57 (MDT)

FRED SKAGGS; YOU GOT MY ATTENTION!!!! But, in the wrong way! I don't what your problem is or whom whooped your funky little ass!! But, If your looking for a good fight, then Man you found ME!!! What's the problem? And, before you start bad mouthing Mark!! Well Bro!! You better get your facts straight. Mark started this web site in honor of his brother Larry!! A 129th Brother to all of us that served with the 129th. Mark wanted away to bring the vision he had from Larry to reality. Mark never told me he was a nam vet. Or was with the 129th. But, Mark and Dee are Family!!!! Fred I always try to think positive. I try along with Mark to find our Brothers of the 129th and to bring them together at the reunions. We together helping each other have had good turn outs. Yes! I consider Mark Jackson part of the 129th Family and Always WILL!! Fred, your a disgrace to the 129th and our kia/mia's. And, your a disgrace to the state of ohio. Or do you have sneak back in. Fred in simple talk that you might understand. If you don't like it here. Then,keep your miserable ass!! OUT OF HERE!!! If you what to play WHOOP ASS!!! Then come play with me!!! Bring the Marines!! I have plenty Marine Bro! here with me. But, only because they need something to watch and get a good laugh at!! Fred as you can see. You can piss some people off. And after seeing you trashing Mark and my 129th Brothers. I tell you to come to Memphis,TN. And I show you how I jerk out the eye balls and piss on your childish 1/4 of a brain. Flight excuse me, I normally don't get like this. But, if Fred Skaggs has our records. Then when,he reads mine. Lord will his eyes open wide. He'll see when I talk the talk and walk the walk I back it up. Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn. USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 07:59:20 (MDT)

Fred...I know you don't drink, so I don't know what allowed you to become so angry. It breaks my heart to hear that you beat up a Marine(isn't that like Viet Nam Vets getting spit on?), who was maybe on his way to war, or perhaps just getting home. And I know you have feelings about Mark, but this healing site was not the place to air them. A lot of people have become upset and angry by your words and anger....both which could be steps backwards in the healing process so many are still going through from Nam. I don't know anything about Mark's military background or the military backgrounds of most on this site, it isn't my intent to delve where so much pain lies. It is my intent to be part of the healing process for anyone who calls on me, this includes you. I'm sure everyone on this site understands your anger because many still carry it from Nam themselves....what I don't understand is what triggered it. Do you? Please email me so we can discuss this, please. Mark, no one goes through this world accepted by everyone they meet, so please tread lightly with this recent tirad from Fred. You, of all people, may be the most understanding and forgiving of Fred's outburst....you have the pain and anger also, as a result of loosing Larry. Let's not turn our backs on Fred, "never again will one Vet not be there to help another Vet(to plagiarize Viet Nam Veterans of America and Mr. Paye)....especially when they hurt you(us) by lashing out in pain and anger. I believe that is the true basis to the brotherhood of Viet Nam Veterans. Always there, always, Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 07:57:52 (MDT)

Hey Flight, I need to change the pace a little bit. Is there any brothers out there that are carpenters. I'm in the process of building a 12'x 16' storage shed in my back yard that resembles an old general store with the high (12') store front. I have it framed with the rafters on 24" OC & I plan on using 12' v-crimped metal sheets for the roof screwed to 3" perlins every 2'. I read on the net that the metal sheets will draw condensation underneath & drip water all over the inside. The shed will be un-insulated with an open attic. Is there some type of vapor barrier or insulation that I can use before I install the sheets? Any advice will be appreciated by this "shade tree carpenter". Thanks, Gale
Gale Beard <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 07:52:12 (MDT)

Hi fred ... you say that you have all recors in front of you ... well Iam calling The VA and if you got mine you got by Fraud ..and I will do all I can to see how you got ... many people have tryed to get you to talk . and Iam still waiting for u to call I still think of you as a brother ... but saden what you said to Mark this group has helped me so much if not for them I would not be where Iam now... Fred please call me any time to night or tomorrow ok Fred take care for somethig brought you down and Iam willing to listen as of many of us... sorry Flight for always saying something but it bothers me a lot that one one is so incure he had to get our records Iplan on finding out how Please dont be mad at me But I have talked to Mark many to=imes by phone and hes a man who cares Take are my brothers and sisters a brother for ever Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
Street, MD USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 07:19:31 (MDT)

Ok Flight, here it goes. Fred, I've talked to you on the phone before & you seem like an intelligent man, but, you do like to stir things up. If you & your wife have problems with Mark & Dee you should contact them directly & not on this site for everyone to read. This place is here for healing, respect & brotherhood...not for personal bickering. I think that you have crossed the line and you need to respond to all of us. If not for Mark, I may not have met some of the finest brothers & sisters of the 129th and there are more to be found. Mark & Dee are sincere,loving people & good friends and they don't deserve crap like this. If you need any help, let someone know...otherwise keep it to yourself or if you get boozed up on Sat night (and some of us do), stay off the PC. You are still a brother of the 129th so act like it. Like Rick says...love it or leave it. Brothers, it's up to you if you want to air your dirty laundry in here, but, it's not necessary. No one cares about your past....it's "nobodies business"!! Mark & Dee, please don't be dicouraged....we all love you guys!! Always a brother, Gale
Gale Beard <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 07:18:10 (MDT)

Well, I got a call from Ray Gagner this weekend saying that Fred Skaggs was bad-mouthing Mark Jackson. I don't have a computer at home, so i called Ray to find out what was said and he told me and he was obviously upset at what Fred had written. Now that I have read it, I would like to tell all the Bite and Strikers that I went A W O L for 13 days in 1968 when I was at Mother Rucker. I was kind of a victim of circumstances and paid dearly when i got back to Rucker. KP every other day and when I wasn't on KP I was on some other shit detail that the First Sgt thought needed to be done. I made PFC out of boot camp and of course I was busted when i got back, I received a Summary Court Martial and I was fined right around $200. (lots of money then) I had to make the 13 days up at the end of my time in the army and I never went A W O L again because it wasn't worth it to me. I did end up with an honorable discharge. So I just wanted everyone to know that before someone I thought was a Brother calls me a PUNK or a Lying Bastard or WHITE TRASH. I have nothing but respect for Mark Jackson and his wife Dee. I've known them for about 4 or 5 years now and have been to their house and rode with them to reunions. They are anything but liars and white trash. Larry Jackson was my crewchief for a few months when i was in the 129th and he taught me a lot about crewing a ship and probably saved my life once. I don't ever remember him asking me to take care of his little brother, but by God I will if I have to... My 2 cents for what it's worth. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 06:46:26 (MDT)

> With this change in status we may have a favorable vote to pass (S-1339) > "The Persian Gulf War POW/MIA Accountability Act" which is called the > "Speicher Bill". Call Monday and Tuesday to your Congressman's office in > Washington, DC at toll free 877-762-8762 or if busy call 202-224-3121. Ask > for Your Congressman's office. When you get the office ask to speak to the > person that handles veteran issues for the Congressman and ask them or leave > a message to tell the Congressman to vote YES to pass S-1339 which is > sponsored by Ben Nighthorse Campbell. Call the number again until you have > left a message for All of the Congressmen from your state. We may have a > vote on the Speicher Bill this Tuesday. This is so little to do to help save*************NEVER AGAIN WILL VET FORGET VETS)))))))) I got this from the rep here in Az. Omega Task Force. Thanks Ron for That pharse.
Rick England
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 05:26:36 (MDT)

Fred what you said, to Mark and the rest of the flight needs an apology. You need some help wheather it be VA or privately. If you want to talk about it give me a call or somebody. I hope you didn't mean what you said. ************* Like the others here said this page is in honor of the brothers that did not come back and has helped us come home. We need to back each other up. I finnally feel like I am not alone any more. When this happenned it hurt Mark and the rest of the flight. *********** If you want to be included in this place that Mark has setup for us act like it. Love it or leave it.
Rick England
USA - Monday, October 14, 2002 at 05:01:52 (MDT)

Time for my two cents......... I have known Mark about three or four years now. I have been in his house numerous times. I have been in the Pop-a-Top several time, and have been with Mark and Dee at Kokomo and Indianapolis several times. AT NO TIME HAS MARK EVER BEEN ANYTHING BUT TOTALILY HONEST. "He" has NEVER claimed to be a nam vet. "WE" not he, have said he is one of us. "He" has always said he places us in the highest regard. "He" always says he looks up to us. LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR.........I HOLD MARK AND DEE IN THE HIGHEST ESTEAM. MARK IS A MAN AMOUNGST MEN AND THEY ARE TWO OF THE CLASSIEST PEOPLE I KNOW. THEY CAN WALK BY MY SIDE ANY DAY ANY TIME. THEY ARE TWO OF THE BEST, MOST DECIENT PEOPLE YOU COULD WANT AS FRIENDS. As far as belonging with the 129th. I spent a few months with the 129th at my countries asking. Got to do things others can only dream of doing. Had some bad times, but had some of the best of times. All at tax payer expense. Got to blow up more shit in one day than any kid could ever dream of doing in all his war games. Then got to do it all again the next day. Drank bear, raised hell and was left with some of the most incredible memories and bonds of brotherhood imaginable. Not much of a sacrifice compared to what I have been given. What has Mark done to belong to the 129th family????????? For starts he lost his brother Larry to the 129th. THAT ALONE GIVES HIM THE HUMBLE, UNQUESTIONABLE RIGHT TO BE HERE WITH THE 129th FAMILY. HE also had the thought, foresight, dream and inspiration to start this web page that we are using. HE has spent thousand's of hours of HIS time taking care of this web page. HE has spent HIS $$$$$$ to support this web page that WE are using. HE has refused our offers of $$$$ because this is HIS baby and HIS way of honoring Larry, us and the 129th. He has given more and has more RIGHT to be in this 129th family than any other posting here. """you are what we call " white trash".""" I guess if Mark and Dee are what YOU call "white trash" that I and most others who post here are also "white trash", because I put myself by their side. No better, no worst. . If that puts me in the same class as Mark and Dee than I feel very fortunate indeed. What great company. We can't all be "perfect" as you apparently are. If we are so distasteful I have to wonder why anyone of such impeccable stature and character would hang around here with us low life's, unless it is to cause trouble. HEY! I have an idea! Why don't you start your own web page and you can use it to stir all the crap you want, and if any of us want we can log on and join you. Mark and Dee, you are my friends and I love you both. Love and Brotherhood Ron Paye PS. I hope that Marine is not on active duty. I would hate to think of how he must feel. On short final to Combat and gets pounded by one of his own countrymen. Sure would make me want to put my life on the line. Thanks and Welcome Home before he even goes. ((((((((((((NEVER AGAIN WILL VET FORGET VETS))))))))
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 19:19:36 (MDT)

Hello Brother Fred I still mean it you want to talk call me I can listen good 410 836 3319 take care brother God Bless you a brother always Ray
Ray Gagner
street, md USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 18:28:20 (MDT)

BTW what do your papers say about me ? and how did you get all our records ?
Don Miller
USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 13:28:42 (MDT)

Fred, I don't know what you "found out" nor do I care,but, this site was created in memory of all the brothers we lost in Viet Nam. with Larry leading the list. as it should be. if Larry had been my real life brother I would have dedicated a site to him too. the nice thing about creating a site like this is that when word gets around about the site it brings us together. at this point it is over 200. I don't care if Mark was a draft dodger or a CMH winner or anything in between. he has done more to bring us back together than anyone I can think of. he has said he was a Marine. end of statement. he has said he loves each one of us because we are the voice of Larry. I don't know if I am part of the voice of Larry or not but I do know I knew Larry quite well and he was just like the rest of us. scared at times, brave at times, drunk at times, sober most of the time and doing his job ALL the time. and when someone needed help with anything ...... ready to help as best he could. Larry could help just by telling a stupid joke to get someone out of the slumps or just sit and listen to your problems and let you cry on his shoulder if you needed someone to listen to your problems. Mark is the same type of person as far as I can tell. and as far as I know Mark has NEVER lied to any of us about anything pertaining to his life or this site. so now you have my 2 cents worth. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MARK, LOVE YOU BROTHER. Later, Don
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 13:23:45 (MDT)

To Fred... are you proud that you got so voilent ...I never heard yyou talk like this if u want to talk my phone # is 410 836 3319... for you dont sound like the same fred I have seen here... just look at what mark has done he done a wonderful job and to try to kick is ass I think Mark has the suport of all here ... Fred Please sit back and think of what you are saying Again I dont mean to be this way you all know I dont say much but what he said to Mark was uncalled for well I guess I said enough sorry if I went over orad but it just hit me the wrong way what he said to mark always a brother to you all ray Ray I pray the love that once filled this sighr comes back
Ray Gagner <stillwating@aol.com>
sreet, MD USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 10:15:33 (MDT)

Hello Flight....I can't belive what Iam reading from Fred....I belive any one who seveved for this country should be wellcome here.... My self if it were this group and the suport I got Iwould not be where Iam now I dont know what set you off fred.... but Mark Has done wonderful job here... if u plan on kicking his ass let me know when you will try for me and Gail will be there to suport him Mark Is one heck of a nice man.. done a lot to help many of us... It hurts me to se this kind of behavior here.. Fred sit back and think this over Iam sorry if Iam outof line well take care all my brothers and sistes Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
srteet, MD USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 09:54:32 (MDT)

and while i thinkj on it, I was bared from reenlistment,Does that mean that i to am not welcome here or any less a memberof the 129th?Please let me know,as i will certianly take my hat and go elsewhere.Discharge indeed.what does a fucking discharge have to do with anything.sorry folks,i just dont think this needs to be in here. nor me id discharges count.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
indy, in USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 09:23:10 (MDT)

What the heck is that all about, fred?What you so fired up about?As far as i am concerned Mark is a brother.he has done more for this unit than i have.Discharge? Who the hell cares about a discharge? After nam i had about 16 months left todo. I did them in Ft. carson and am lucky i got an hon. dis.That has nothing to do with the 129th.I was a good "war troop" but a very poor peace timer. Mark has never said anything that is misrepersentive that i know of.As far as i am concerned,he is a 129th brother and a personal friend.Fred , tell us what has got you so upset,as u are a brother also.
alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 09:00:00 (MDT)

I just got on line to tell Alex that the patches he ordered will be in the mail on Monday, when I read the strange message from Fred. Fred, I don't know what you are talking about. Mark has never presented himself as a Vietnam Vet, a brave hero, a honorably discharged Marine or anything other than the brother of one of our own from the 129th. The time, money and effort to put this web site together has earned his love and respect from many of us. We accept, with grace, the fact that we all may have done things in the past that, if given a chance, would do differently today. To most of us, the fact that someone did not get an honerable discharge, doesn't mean he/she is not welcome here as part of this group. I don't know the sourse of your information, but if it is from the government, then I am sure it does not tell the entire story, and in some cases, could be completely incorrect. Please share what your information says about me, I am curious what it might say. I know that there are about three people out there with my same name that I have never met. Let me know if you need a SSN.
Dan Hertlein <dhert10408@aol.com>
Sumner, WA USA - Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 07:58:33 (MDT)

Bottom Line, Just whip the shit out some punk ass Marine, To night . I broke my hand,,but it`s ok. *I was "Golden Glove" boxer in High School. Whip that MF like "Red Headed Step Child". Guess What , Mark you`re next. I sick of your " Punk Ass" bullshit. Your next . Let`s go Mark , you lyning SOB. I`m comin home just to kick your ass . And I`m bringing Some "real marines" with me that want a piece of your lying ass. Any way. I`m gonna show you what a real man is..... Not some lying bastard, that lives on what "we did" not you . My wife said," I`ll pay for it Fred". She thinks you are what we call " white trash". Are you ready to play!!!!!!!! . Like my wife said, " Mark is what we called "white trash" when we were growing up". YOU READY PUNK!!!!!!! BRING yOUR BOY`S. I`d love it, Tell theses people if you got a "honorable discharge" . Show it to us. I don`t think so!!!!!!!! Tell these people who you really are. Plus the next MF that tells a lie about who he is. I got every one`s record in front of me, my wife ask me . And I said ," These people don`t tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 21:34:30 (MDT)

Where is Carlos "White Feather" Hathcock when we need him?
Dave Powers <powers@montrose.net>
Montrose, Colorado USA - Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 14:57:38 (MDT)

Hi all! I have been keeping the boys inside because of the sniper. It is pretty bad when you can not pump gas for fear of your life. I hope they get him. There is a 500 thousand dollar reward for him. I did not know that Copperhead Road was for Vietnam. I hope everyone is doing well and takeing care mind and body. Thank you for your support. God Bless. Kris
kris <clue4blue@hotmail.com>
baltimore, md USA - Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 13:56:23 (MDT)

Hello Flight.... just saying hello and to tell you all theshootingis to thesouth of us But just in case I get Gail to pump the Gas ... just kidding... when we need Gas sge pumps I stand it front waching for whoknows he couldhead north.... Krisss lives off of 95 about a mile and Kevin dose same tinng for her... I do hope they catch him soom ... Its a shame one cant be safe getting gas... I know we all hope he gets caught but I hope they shoot many times in to him....just my thoughts dont mean to ofend anyone...for you all are my brothers and sisters you all mean a lot to me I never felt so much love any where like I do here a brother always Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, md USA - Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 11:50:26 (MDT)

Yes, it's really personal now. If you can get me any bio info on the Veteran I would like to have a moment of silence for him at our next Chapter meeting. Meanwhile, please be careful if you live in the area(like you Ray)and let's pray that this "person" is captured soon, certainly before Veterans Day when so many of you will be at "The Wall." Speaking of "The Wall" I received a copy of the agenda for the 20th Anniversary and a request for people to help read the names of our friends and brothers and on the wall. All of the names will be read, and what an honor it would be to participate in such. Let me know if you want the information. Take care dear friends, the world is struggling right now and every day may appear to be very bleak, and make us sad or angry. We are here for you, reach out if you need us. With arms around you-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, October 11, 2002 at 07:23:57 (MDT)

Flight, The snipers latest victim was a 53 year old Viet-Nam vet. Gettin a little personal now!!!!!
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 21:13:59 (MDT)

All I know is I am staying at the Mariott. I will post my itenaray when I get it.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 18:53:56 (MDT)

Hello Brothere and sisters...... I got the address of Rick and and Alex was. hoping to find a place to meet for I cant spend the night ..if some can try to tell me I know where Union station is .. and the wallI love to cacht up to you My cell phone is 410 916 3869 I plame amd gail plan on taking a train there.. cant drive around CD I just hope to get to see some one thanks a brother always Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, md USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 17:42:02 (MDT)

I like signing guestbooks when I visit a site. Thanks for providing one.
Teresa James <teresa_james36@hotmail.com>
Las Vegas, Nevada US - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 16:50:06 (MDT)

i was asked today if i supported bushs marking scheme abaout iraq. my answer is....i was asked the same thing about vietnam.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
indy, USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 16:37:17 (MDT)

Flight: Well first want to personally Thank Tom Shanahan For attending the Phoenix Reunion. I am glad to have met you. Troops!! THE Wall Vetearns Day!!! I wiil fly in on Saturday the 9th. will arrive about 9:00 pm at the hotel. Will be staying at the Hilton Crystal City. Charlie is booking me a room under the VHCMA. We will have a VHCMA room set up for everyone to stop by. The phone number at the hotel is 1-703-418-6800. Address: 2399 Jefferson Davis Highway,Arlington Va. Looking forward to seeing all my Brothers whom attend. Take Care Bro's!! Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN> USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 14:32:15 (MDT)

Hello all I to hope the get him soon .....and when they fine fill him with bulets This all happining about 60+ miles from us I do hope he caught by Nov 11th I do wish you all well ....I enjoy comming here thanks a brother always Ray
Ray Gagner <Stilwating@aol.com>
Street, MD USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 11:49:01 (MDT)

Now Fred, you say you want to chop up this sniper’s body and feed the fish. What have you got against the fish? Not to mention the folks that might catch the fish. Sure don’t want any part of that scum in my diet. Fact is, there is just a lot of rampant insanity going on these days. Home invasions by drug addicts beating up women and kids looking for a few bucks to feed their habits. Random violence, shootings. It’s sure not what we fought for and a black mark on the memories of those who died. Best we can do is keep an eye out for these scum and turn them in every chance we get. That and have somebody friendly at your six as much as you can. I’m sure not a religious type but sometimes it seems like we really need the Big Guy to come down and kick some serious butt. Hang in, stay close to your families and be careful out there. Cobra Soothsayer 67-68
Tom Shanahan <Shanahan00@Cox.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 11:47:24 (MDT)

Flight.... I`m am a loving,caring, sensitive, and peace loving person!!! But this sniper is a "screaming coward" in every sense of the word coward. I usually don`t preach violence, but I can be violent when needed. When they catch their ass, I`ll volunteer to "pull the trigger". Don`t clutter our court system up with this MF, I`m not interested in hearing about "their momma didn`t love them" or " I had a bad childhood". I`ll put a round in their head for each victim. Then chop up his body and feed the fish. Cowards come in many fashions, but this type of coward is the bottom feeder of life. Don`t take this SOB alive!!!!!! Like I said, I have a "nasty streak" in me for shit like this. Gale, I agree with you on the public display. But let us get down right "medieval" with this piece of trash.
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 09:21:24 (MDT)

Ray, You & your family and all other brothers & sisters in that area.....Be Safe!! That sniper is as big a coward as cowards come. I hated snipers in Nam & even more so here in the "World". I hope they catch this guy & string him up for a public beating!! Always a Bro. Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 08:23:00 (MDT)

Hello to all sisters and brothers.... trying something like you all do ,,,, perhaps it will be easy to Read...... Rick I plan on calling u when it gets close to Nov 11 ...for Iam not sure if can do the walk... but me and gail can take train.... I want to I cant let any one from the 129th get this close and not see them meet you and any one else who go.... we talk about a place to meet.... Again this has helped me so much.... thanks to all of of you a brother always Ray OH Be safe out her if that sniper has not ben caught by then
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
strett, MD USA - Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 07:35:58 (MDT)

Let me begin by saying "Rick" that web site was funny. Now to serious business, a few weeks back there was considerable commo about Awards and Decorations. so I followed this web link for myself. www.nara.gov/regional/stlouis.html. Once there it let me download a form to request info from my Army Records. I was told it would take 8 weeks for them just to process the request, however less than 4 weeks later(yesterday) I recieved a large envelope with just about everything I requested (they also provided a case file and phone number for questions). I had requested copies of my DD214 for each of my reenlistments and copies of all awards and medals I had recieved(you have to be specific and list each one that you may have recieved). The only two things that they couldn't provide were orders for Crew Member Wings, as they were awarded as part of MOS(which means the 201 file says they were authorized but orders were not neccessary) and orders for Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry w/palm device was the same situation as it was awarded based on when you were in country. What really surprised me was a set of orders for RVN Ceasefire Medal issued in 1977. I had never recieved them before I was Medically retired in 1979. One other Item of note were the mistakes on my DD214's, specifically my Vietnam Service. Only 1 out of 4 had the information correct or listed at all. So it boils down to this if you need information about your Army or Vietnam Service follow the web address I listed. Fun things again!!! BIKETOBER FEST Oct 17-20,2002 I'll have mine and the 129th Colors Flying, Hope to see you there.
Dennis Fuerstenau <dfuerst_2000@netzero.net>
Davenport, FL USA - Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 18:38:39 (MDT)

....HEH,HEH..........RICK BENEDICT, AND ANIMAL.......IS SO NICE TO SEE YOUR NAMES IN HERE.......JUST MORE PROOF THAT ALL ARE HERE READING , SOME JUST THAT.....BUT......THAT IS GOOD FOR ME TO KNOWM THAT YOU ARE STILL HERE.....GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE STILL OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....STAY ABOARD......RICK B. STILL CAN SEE YOU SITTIN' AT OUR KICTHEN TABLE YACKIN' WITH DEE AND I THAT NIGHT YOU CAME TO STAY..........ALL OF YOU TAKE CARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS..... ALWAYS A BROTHER.............MARK
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
LZ HOME, USA - Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 14:33:43 (MDT)

http://www.djschny.com/funny You have to check this out it is funny.
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 11:18:52 (MDT)

Another song that refers to Viet-Nam is "Copperhead Road" by Steve Earle. Check it out if you can. Aloha Nui Loa, Animal
Animal <tatu@gte.net>
USA - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 23:13:04 (MDT)

Ted, Kentucky Nam vets went crazy over that song. With Billy being from Ashland,Kentucky, he`s done a lot for Nam Vets in Kentucky. Of course US Route 23 was just named "Country Music Highway". Everybody is from down home, Patty Loveless(Pikeville), Keith Whitley(Sandy Hook), Ricky Skaggs(Blaine), The Judds(Ashland), Loretta Lynn and Crystal Gayle(Van Lear), Dwight Youkum(Pikeville), Exile(Bowling Green) and the list goes on. I`m not a country/western music fan, just was born and grew up and spent a big part of my life down home. I didn`t make it to the" big city" of Columbus,Ohio until I was 11 yers old. It`s all I grew up with. But when I was young, I`d tune my radio at night to Nashville, John R. the DJ, he played nothing but R&B and Soul and a little Jazz, that`s what I grew loving. Country music today reminds me more of what the Eagles, Poco, Pure Prairie League, was doing 25 or 30 years ago.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 10:57:30 (MDT)

I have the music video "Some Gave All" by Billy Ray Cyrus. You cannot appreciate that song til you have seen the video that goes with it. I'm amazed that it wasn't more popular than it was especially among Viet Nam Vets. For someone who wasn't there, He did good. Ted
Ted Buisker <Skyking@stateline-isp.com>
Davis, IL. USA - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 08:17:34 (MDT)

Rick, Go to www.cduniverse.com or www.gemm.com both those have anything you want. Cheap also, I`ve been buying older cd`s from both for years. Stuff that`s out of print here in the States they can get. The Jimmie Buffet tune is not listed on the cd, it`s a extra song. Check out Ronnie Earl and Friends cd, Irma Thomas sings "New Vietnam Blues", absolut killer tune!!!!!
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 07:49:17 (MDT)

Yea Fred they are going to have a detecation for the Wall. Come on down. I went to Borders yesturday and couldn't find any of those songs I checked crosby stills and Nash and Jimmy buffet. NADA
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 04:06:06 (MDT)

was there for the dedacation, hmmm, might be fun to go this time. 20 years huh? shit
alvis
USA - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 00:17:49 (MDT)

I will being staying at the Marrott for the freedom bird group. I hope we can meet up at some time. My consuelor was in the 75th rangers he has been doing this for 14 years. This is the 20 anniversery of the wall. Ray and Alex hope you guys can make it. Flight be careful out there.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, October 07, 2002 at 20:07:15 (MDT)

Hey!! Ray as soon as I find out the hotel tomorrow I will post the info for the DC. Doings for Veterans Day at the Wall. Take Care Bro!! Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Monday, October 07, 2002 at 15:39:46 (MDT)

hello Alex and all my brothers and sisters Pleasebe sure ti llet me know when they take Rec in Atlana I never been to one and want to go The one in DC how long is that for I live in Balit not far I takeke train and get a room where u all stay I cant wait to meet you all I met pete and It did me a world of good Thanks Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating @aol,com>
steet, MD USA - Monday, October 07, 2002 at 13:36:21 (MDT)

Flight: Good to see all the commo. The hotel for the reunion for LZ Atlanta won't take reservations until after the 1st of the year. I'll be meeting with Charlie Rains tomorrow on VHCMA business and will find out exactly when the hotel will start accepting reservations. Also, Rick,there's a 98% chance I will see you in DC. Will find out aslo from Charlie What hotel he has rooms blocked. Will let you know. That way we can all be in the same location. I will fly out on the 9th at 900pm. Got my fingers crossed everything falls into place. Will stay in touch. Have sent off to St. Louis for more personnel rosters and morning reports. You can print of the form 180 and send in for info for your tour. Well all take care. Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn USA - Monday, October 07, 2002 at 12:30:36 (MDT)

"Santa Claus came home last night, drunk on Christmas wine. Fell down hard out in the driveway, hung his bag out on the laundry line. He`s got a Cobra Gunship for his Golden Boy" words to the song on Walter Becker`s solo Cd. Walter Becker is the the other half of the "writing team" of Fagen/Becker. We know them as "Steely Dan". On the "Katy Lied" Cd of Steely Dan(1977) they wrote a song called " Doctor Wu " it`s about spending all the peasta( Nam currency) in a "opuim den".
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, October 07, 2002 at 07:28:24 (MDT)

isnt it also a recent release from..one of the crosby.stills,nash and young group?...is about an x nam pilot thats running anything u want now
alvis
USA - Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 20:44:47 (MDT)

Tree Top Flyer. Hidden track after last song ( False Echoes ) on Banana Wind album. Jimmy Buffett 1996
Rick Benedict Cobra Little John 70/71 <stij@sunlink.net>
Allenwood, pa USA - Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 20:32:32 (MDT)

......Evenin' Flight..................Ted, was grat to meet you and your wife also brother...............hope all is well with the 129th family here to night............all is well here...............Gale???.thought I read that you were headed the Pop-A-Top way this weekend.....was lookin' fer yuo and Debbie!!!!!!!!!!............Friday and Saturday was a killer night fer us.........had a great bamd that packs then in fer us. USED BLUES is their name........every note they play is sweet.......Saturday.....had a Bachlorett, Bachlor, and a Class reunion in the joint , all at one time.......thoise who have been here.....think of about 70 to 80 bodies in the joint at one time!!!!!!!....ass hole to belly button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......DEe and I both burnin' the candle at both ends.....Dee busy at school and the bar......me at the bar.........but......there are the rewards......had a couple of first time in Nam vets there this weekend...........good to see the smile on their face and a tear in their eye........sometimes want to put a for sale sign on the place because of a couple of stupids......but then in walks a VET and makes it all worth while again..............got more uniforms, and artifacts coming in every week....need to build a wharehouse;-))))))))))........sent some info to the Ohio Taveran. Mag to see if we can get Spot Lighted as a museum in it!!!!!!!!................a question came up at the bar.........do any of you know who, and when the song, "TREE TOP FLYER" came out?????>if not mistaking...it is a song about flyin' a chopper in Nam!!!!!!.....can you help me on this......want that song on the Juke Box in the Pop-A-Top!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....heard it before......but have a bad case of CRS on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!......Gosh, do I ever love all of you folks........many a day I read the post in here, but lack of time stops me from responding............it is so great to have you all as a family.......hope I measure up to what you think I am.............if ever near Coldwater, Ohio.....please, pLease....stop and see us............drinks, meals....and housing is all ways free while you are here........it's the least i can do for you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!............you are the voice of Larry.......please keep talking...................como has been limited to a few in here.....we have over 200 on bpard.......would be nice to hear a lil' from each and every one of you.......I know some read daily, but stay in the rear.........would be nice just to hear HELLO sometimes....................as far as the DEC 14th XMAS gig with the 173rd Herd.......if some of the close locals of the 129th can makke it.....please do.......this 173rd herd group has also made me a brother in their unit.....they love me and Dee and mauch ads all you do........GREAT bunch of people......and they really want to include you all in the party......as the guy namjed SPENCE put in the FLIGHT LOG BOOK the other week.....about HOTEL gigs and stuff.......I will post it here also now ****************************************************************************************** hi little brother, here is the number for the holiday express 419 586 4919 have them ask for airborne xmas party to get the $60.00 rate. i blocked off 15 rooms but have used 5 of them already. would be great to have both gangs there. please tell them that this rate is good only to nov 30. and they only have 56 rooms there. also let them know they have a in door pool. we plan on doing a little swimming first. love ya was great to see you and dee, we both think so much of you both. TA TA for now**************************************** If you can make.....please do........... Gotta go my Family...............I love you all then you will ever know..............................................................I know you understand..........but there is a part of my heart that all of you have touched...........but can not reach................. I HAVE SEEN DARKNESS BLACK AS THE RAVEN, BUT YOU JUST BE THE CLOSEST, I WILL EVER GET TO HEAVEN .............CHIN UP....... A GLIMMER OF MORNIN', JUST OVER THE TREE LINE, SKY FULL OF STARLENS, SCATTER AT RAIN SIGN, I DONT KNOW WHAT THE DAY WILL BRING, ASSUMING IT DOES COME, I JUST KNOW THAT I NEED YOU, FOREVER AND THEN SOME ..........DEE AND I LOVE YOU ALL, VERY,VERY MUCH..................WITH A TEAR IN MY EYE.......I SAY GOD'S SPEED, AND GOOD NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Mark and Dee....
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 19:09:08 (MDT)

Hello flight, got home from a two week vacation that started at Kokomo. Went as far as Bar Harbor, Maine. Good to see Kal Bergstrom, a guy I actually flew with. Delivered a case of beer to Ron Paye, then proceeded to help myself to a couple, sorry Ron, I owe you a six pack at New Glarus. If you get out New York way, Genesee cream ale is VERY good too. Did you ever get any of that case? Good to meet Gently again and several new ones like Gale Beard who I have another friend in common with. Thanks to the guy that cooked the turkey, delicious. I don't remember names well, so I have missed some I met for the first time. Was especially nice to meet Mark and Dee. Good to be back checking commo on the page. Ted
Ted Buisker <Skyking@stateline-isp.com>
Davis, IL. USA - Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 09:15:14 (MDT)

Flight, got a few e-mails from the " silent minority" brothers. They were a little shocked that I didn`t remember the exact difference between napalm and white phosphorus. I do remember the effects of them both. Saw a few kids and adults up at Kontum and Dak To that showed the scars of them both. I didn`t really think they were VC or NVA soldiers. One of those, "wrong place at the wrong time" episodes. I never would throw another WP gernade after I saw that. Gave me a bad feeling in my stomach. I was decorated well for my combat exploits. But I put a few doobies and alot Heinekens in between myself and Nam. And just forgot about it. Some how I could never find war as a glorious and rewarding experience. That smell of gasoline in the napalm," smell of victory" as they say in the movies, figured I`d never work that stuff at home. So I forgot about it also. Like we use to say," Nam will make a man out of a fool and make a fool out of a man".
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 21:53:57 (MDT)

if u want to vist the wall on the net..http://www.virtualwall.org/ Its a moving site for me. u can paste comments to those u wish ,
alvis
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 10:38:51 (MDT)

Thanks Don, now I can sound smart to my wife. I honestly didn`t know, that sounds goofy of me, but it`s the truth. I never touch a weapon but one time before the army. A single shot 22.cal rifle that my grandpa would kill chipmunks that ate his tabacco plants in the spring. I use to get upset with him for killing "Alvin".
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 08:21:22 (MDT)

I went to "The Wall" in 1985. My senior class(1968 Columbus North HS) in Ohio, lost 16 young men. Everyone of them was Marines. Plus the first kids from the hood. First kid from the neighborhood was Rick Lee Knight,Panel 8E, Row 15 June 6,1966. Rick was one of the "older guys" that would buy beer for us. His younger brother Kent and I were good friends and party buddies. Paul Richard Holley, Panel 55E, Row 17, May 5. I`ll never forget that day, a few of us from the neighborhood were getting ready for graduation. And Paul`s family lived across the street. I remember the OD green car pulling up in front of the house. Two Marines and a guy in civilain clothes. I heard his mother scream and I knew something bad had happen. Paul had grown up in "our back yard" playing wiffle ball and badminton. In the summers he would come over early in the mornings and the whole gang would gather at my house for a game of softball. Paul being one older guys would try to make everything fair. He would pick the teams so that it had the right mixture of older guys and young guys, so it would be fair.
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 08:08:26 (MDT)

I will Judith. I am going with Az Vetreans from the Vets center.
Rick England
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:39:22 (MDT)

LYNN MICHAEL MATTESON Army - SP4 - E4 1st AVN BDE Age - 19 Date of Birth - Oct 26, 1949 From - HAWTHORNE , CALIFORNIA Sorry about that.
Rick England
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:35:28 (MDT)

Fred, WP, Willy Pete, white phosferous (sp) is a packed white powder that burns when it comes in contact with Oxygen. the only way to put in out is to take away the O2. Napalm is jellied gasoline. and it has to be ignited by an external source. napalm bombs were ignited by a bursting charge that "set the world on fire"......... Later
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:33:39 (MDT)

Rick , thanks for the information, only one problem .... whats his name ? I remember hearing about it when I got there in March. but I heard he was trying to take it apart when it went off. probably never know ....... Later
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:22:52 (MDT)

Rick England!!!! You're going to the 20th Anniv. of "The Wall?" That's wonderful! Joe and I wanted to go, but, well, one goes where one has to be, and we have to be in Milwaukee. I wish we were going, what a memoriable weekend you're going to have. I'm sure there will be thouands of Nam Veterans there-hug all of them for us, and salute our dear friends, brothers, and sisters on "The Wall." Always there-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:14:20 (MDT)

Good Morning Flight, I just was reading the commo, my wife ask me a question....she reads the commo also. What is this difference between "Willie Pete" and Napalm? Is there a difference? I honestly don`t know. I remember Capt. Guilfoyle always had a problem with me carrying WP gernades aboard the ship. He always worried about taking a round and it would hit a WP gernade. I always told him," Don`t worry sir, I`ll get rid of them before the day is over".
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:07:18 (MDT)

Good Morning Flight, I just was reading the commo, my wife as me a question....she reads the commo also. What is this difference between "Willie Pete" and Napalm? Is there a difference? I honestly don`t know. I remember Capt. Guilfoyle always had a problem with me carrying WP gernades aboard the ship. He always worried about taking a round and it would hit a WP gernade. I always told him," Don`t worry sir, I`ll get rid of them before the day is over".
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:06:47 (MDT)

Don here is another to be remembered, for your site. Found on this site Vietnam Vetreans Memorial Wall Page. Be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 05:30:25 (MDT)

SP4 - E4 - Army - Regular 1st AVN BDE 19 year old Single, Caucasian, Male Born on Oct 26, 1949 From HAWTHORNE, CALIFORNIA Length of service 1 year. His tour of duty began on Apr 03, 1968 Casualty was on Dec 09, 1968 in BINH DINH, SOUTH VIETNAM Non-Hostile, died of illness/injury GROUND CASUALTY BURNS Body was recovered Religion PROTESTANT Panel 37W - - Line 76 Bob H. helped me with the name. Thanks Bob H.
Rick England
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 05:06:14 (MDT)

I think you are right Gus I remember something about the pilot getting hit also. Like you said. I think he was in 1st platoon. It was after John Thorp was killed in sept. 68 and before Jan 69. Bob I hope you can make Atlanta. Gale that sounds good wish I was there.*************** Going to the wall during Vetreans day haven't been there before. Gen Moore and Joe Gallaway will be speaking there also. *********** Well flight be careful out there
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 04:29:53 (MDT)

I remember the deal with the WP. I do not remember when. It would have been later part of 68 no later than March of 69. The way I remember the guy was at a ROK position. He was tossing smoke to mark wind or just messing with some laying around the pad. I think I recall it was a dud and he hit it on a rock and it went off. I think some of the other in the crew got hit by a bit of it to. But that was minor. It has been a long time and it is all foggy. I know there is someone else out there who remembers this as I have had a exchange about this before.
Gus <tgus@uslink.net>
Grand Rapids, MN USA - Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 12:18:09 (MDT)

Hello Gale want to thank you for infor u can count on soon as they tahe Rev we will makethem I thank youso much and to all my brothers and sister for with out your help I still be lost in the dark My daugher said she never ever hear me talk about VietNam and thanks you all to so take care you all Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwting@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 11:35:38 (MDT)

Robert & Rick, I've never heard anything about that. I left in May 68, so, it may have been after that. I can check with Gary Villamaino & see if knows anything. Robert, haven't heard from you in a while.Thought that you might have made it to Kokomo....you aren't too far from there are you? Rick, thinking about running over to the Pop A Top Saturday. If I do I'll be sure to have that "burger & egg sandwich" and wash it down with a couple brewskies.Later fellas, Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 10:17:26 (MDT)

I remember that he was a tall dkid that was in the 129th and the 394th crewchief. Pickup the wrong granade thought it was smoke and it was WP. I will investigate see what I can come up with. Maybe Ted or Gale might remember. Bob how are you doing? The reunion in Atlanta in june about the 19th. YOu be careful out there.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 02:55:19 (MDT)

I'm looking for information regarding a member of the 129th or 394 that died in late '68 or early '69 after picking up a WP boobytrapped souvenir?
Bob Taylor <bobbylee@netnitco.net>
Griffith, IN USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 12:00:12 (MDT)

You are right Gently, there's always more to the story than they first report. I was worried for Rick & me drinking that Miller Lite. If the "hops" are bad , we may have to switch to another brand....how bout it Rick? Gale
Gale
Clinton, In USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 11:32:58 (MDT)

Ray, go to: www.vhcma.org Click reunion, scan down and it gives you the Hotel and dates, but, I guess they are not taking reservations yet. P.S.( I like your wife's name) {;o) Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 11:26:51 (MDT)

Gale, what can I say about those "kids" in Milwaukee. The story breaks my heart, though I don't think we've heard it all yet: seems the man who was beaten to death had a nickname of .380 and the "kids" knew him. This is not to justify anything they did, its just to give you a little more information. If you want me to keep you posted let me know, and I'll do such off the site-damn, some of those "kids" were only 10 years old and because the victim died they may now face the death penalty.! Where were their parents? This was late at night, during the middle of the week! Doesn't being home in bed sound like a normal place to be for school-aged children?! This will certainly shake up our town. On the otherhand, a U.S. Special Forces tropper was killed in the Phillipines today-bomb. This may shake up the world. With arms around you-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 11:25:22 (MDT)

Hello Gale Oh Iplan on being in Atlna soon as Hear more and what hotel I make revs for me and gail nothing will stpo me from being there I may have to Fly Gail has a hard time drivine on interstats and I cant drive for I get lost in the county so flyine it will be I see all of you there cant wait to meet you all so take care my brothers and sisers A brother always Iam so glad I foundyou all it has helped so much Ray
Ray Gagner <stillwaiting@aol.com>
street , MD USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 09:49:04 (MDT)

Flight: Well Bro's finally got a day off!! Sorry to miss the Indy weekend!! As usual the 129th had a good turn out and a lot of fun. We all can handle a monsoon!! No matter how old were getting it's always nice to play in the mud!!! 173rd Herd appreciate the invite in Dec. You like us have found a home with the Jackson family!! So WELCOME HOME BROTHERS!! Ray glad to hear things are getting a little better for you. Whom ever sent the Vietnam Throw I want to thank you also. Thats what I like about the Brotherhood here at the 129th. When someone's down, you have a big family here to support you!! The last 5 years have finally brought me almost full circle. Finding The Jacksons and this web site. Finding Glenn , Rainer , Kal. The reunions!! what can I say. Meeting so many of you. As I look back. We shared a part of history together, along with a year or more of our lives. In that year are so, we had many experiences some good and some not so good. Together we try to heal our hearts,souls and spirits. All of you are important to me. But, for thoses of you out there, that think this HOME is for just CREWS!! Your wrong!! If you were the company cook,maintence, pol, or even BURN'T SHIT!! " THIS IS YOUR HOME TOO!! We depended on each other. And became a hell of a unit. But, let's not forget our BROTHERS WHOM GAVE IT ALL. I KNOW THIER LOOKING DOWN UPON US AND PROUD TO SEE THE BROTHERHOOD MARCHING ON. TAKE CARE BROTHERS & SISTERS. Always A Brother Alex 65-68
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, Tn. USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 08:30:48 (MDT)

Gently, what's the matter with all those kids in Wisconsin. Beat that guy to death. Are they on drugs or just some bad "hops". Ray, hope you are doing better & will make it LZ Atlanta in June. Gale
Gale
Clinton, In USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 08:25:57 (MDT)

good morning to all my brothers and sisters just saying hello to u all ant to one who sent the Blanket I love itand neans so much to me again thanks you all have been such a help to me and one day I be there to help a brother or siater to Take careall Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 05:59:49 (MDT)

who ever sent that to Ray..... that was very,very cool.you have a heart of gold
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
indy, in USA - Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 14:35:48 (MDT)