reloading seems to be the only hitch, downloads are fine
USA - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 07:12:56 (MDT)
Fred A and Gale... all the software in the world won't do you any good if you don't have the proper hardware.
Dave Powers
USA - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 07:15:11 (MDT)
Flight, we are in the process of moving and will be down for about 5 to 7 days. Will drop back in when we are up and running again. Hope everyone had a safe memorial day and is doing ok. Alex
USA - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 21:19:11 (MDT)
hopes its not on a floppy disc
USA - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 10:23:31 (MDT)
Alvis, I did a lttle research on your dilema. I found that there is a new "program" from Australia that when installed into your system will keep your "hard drive" up and in good working order for years to come! Check it out. ;o] Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 08:06:01 (MDT)
Dear Technical Support, 18 months ago, I upgraded to Girlfriend 1.0 from Drinking Mates 4.2, which I had used for years without any trouble. However, there are apparently conflicts between these two products, and the only solution was to try and run Girlfriend 1.0 with the sound turned off. To make matters worse, Girlfriend 1.0 is incompatible with several other applications, such as Lads Night Out 3.1, Football 3pm, and Playboy 6.9. Successive versions of Girlfriend proved no better. A shareware program, Party Girl 2.1, which I tried, had many bugs and left a virus in my system, forcing me to shut down completely for several weeks. Eventually, I tried to run Girlfriend 1.2 and Girlfriend 1.0 at the same time, only to discover that when these two systems detected each other, they caused severe damage to my hardware. I then upgraded to Fiancée 1.0, only to discover that this product soon had to be upgraded further to Wife 1.0. While Wife 1.0 tends to use up all my available resources, it does come bundled with FreeSex Plus and Cleanhouse 2002. Shortly after this upgrade, however, I found that Wife 1.0 can be very unstable and costly to run. Any mistakes I made were automatically stored in Wife 1.0's memory and could not be deleted. They then resurfaced months later when I had forgotten about them. Wife 1.0 also has an automatic Diary, Explorer and E-mail Filter, and can, without warning, launch TurboStrop and Whinge. These latter products have no Help files, and I have to try to guess what the problem is. Additional problems are that Wife 1.0 needs updating regularly,requiring ShoeShop Browser for new attachments and Hairstyle Express which needs to be reinstalled every other week. Wife 1.0 also spawns unwelcome child processes that drain my resources. These conflict with some of the new games I wanted to try out, warning me that they are an illegal operation. Also, when Wife 1.0 attaches itself to my Audi TT hard drive, it often crashes. Wife 1.0 also comes with a rather annoying pop-up called Mother-In-Law,which can't be turned off. Recently I've been tempted to install Mistress 2003, but there could be problems. A friend of mine has alerted me to the fact that if Wife 1.0 detects Mistress 2003, it tends to delete all of your Money files before uninstalling itself. Any ideas ?
USA - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 07:50:12 (MDT)
Alvis, thanks got the "old" part right!! Mark, I e-mailed you to get an address for Dee...or do you want cards sent to the "Top"? Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 06:59:01 (MDT)
happy birthday Gale, u old devil you.
USA - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 21:56:14 (MDT)
I've been busy preparing for various Veteran events and haven't even read the posts for a week, so when I did, all I could see was this wonderful support for our friends, Mark and Dee. I was very worried when not getting repsonses from them, especially around the time of Mark's birthday, because he didn't acknowledge it(by the way, it's Gale Beard's birthday today). Now, I, like so many others understand. As your brothers have told you two, you have taken the first and hardest step, now it's literally, day by day. The relationships on this web site are not based on drinking together, though many do, and that's fine. The relationships here are based on caring, sharing, and mutual support. And as Alex stated, it's our turn to be there for you two. Joe and I don't drink either, Mark, but I think you knew that. And I think we would all be a little surprised at how many others of the 129th don't drink. This is a very appropriate place to disclose such personal information, Mark. Other than an AA meeting you won't find a stronger support group. Additionally,thank you once again for perhaps opening doors that may further strengthen the relationships on this site. Any, and all, of us are here for you...any time. With gentle thoughts, Gently
Gently <>
USA - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:10:37 (MDT)
Good morning flight. Larry & Dee it's going to get better. Does anyone out there remember SP/4 Yarbrough ??? I was going thru the picture album & it just flashed bac to me. Ifin my memory serves me right, I was the first one the medics put on the c141 to come back to the states. I believe the second one was Yarbrough. I was still under medication. But I do recall saying Hi/Hello to him. He had gotten shot in the stomach area. Its been 31 years ago> It was stuck back in my mind somewhere until the other day that I was going thru the picture album. Can some one out there enlighten me as to how he got shot ?
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, Tx USA - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 11:18:53 (MDT)
Hi Gang..........Back in INDY right now....Fred A......this weekend I will be back in Coldwater, Heading back Friday afternoon, But pretty sure Dee will be home by then also. So probably would like to spend the weekend by ourselves. If ya get my drift:)))))))!!! Have been reading the mails that some have sent to our daughter's house. Thanks for all the support. Was with Dee the last couple of days for a few hours each day. She is doing GREAT!!!!!...We busted her out yesterday and went to the Mall , and out to eat. had a great time.. I will be back in INDY Monday. Have class from 9:00 til 3:00..sorta free after that but if I have the same program as Dee there will be lots of paper work. Stop by anyways. The number here is 317-570-0559.......Take care all. Got the Harley up here. Brought it on the Picup truck. Cleaning her and gonna try and put some duals on it. Adress here is 12308 Cobblestone Dr. Fishers IN 46038. We are off of 116th street, east of 69......take care all.......always a brother and sister. Mark and Dee
Mark Jackson
INDY, USA - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 22:22:02 (MDT)
I was able to see all of Rolling Thunder & was quite impressed (AGAIN). I think i will try to go next year. MY Heart is with our fallen this day, with the POW'S/MIA'S, & certainly with all of you. Mark & DEE, I sent you a personal e-mail but i am out of town right now so don't know if you have responded. Be Safe all!! My Love & Utmost Respect, Jim
jim westwang <>
Sheridan, Wy USA - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 09:26:30 (MDT)
John S. from St V. Stress <>
Indy, USA - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 07:56:54 (MDT)
salutes those who arent with us anymore.
USA - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 07:22:55 (MDT)
Well good morning all you hiss & pissers. Tomorrow is Memorial Day. I'll be remembering- Some good & some bad. Just a reminder; tonite on the history channel @ 8pm est, 7pm cst, Operation Reunion will be on. Its A Co, 158th. I dont know the details. E'nuff Said.
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, TX USA - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 12:05:18 (MDT)
Hey Mark. A few of us want to come and see you this weekend coming up. where u going to be? Here in indy or home? One day at a time, my friend, your doing great,Dee also.
USA - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 13:02:20 (MDT)
Hi everybody of the 129th. Thanks to all of you that have posted and to all that are thinking of Dee and I. It was so stupid of me to let the damb thing get out of controll like that......I am out at our daughter Ambie Rain's and her husband Billy place out in the country in Ohio. Not to far from Coldwater I came home from INDY this weekend to spend some time with Dee in Lima.Going back tomorrow and then back sunday. We went there tonight and had supper with her. She sure is looking great and an upbeat mood. I may have created a monster cause now she is talking about all the stuff she wants to do with the house:)))))........just kidding, I am greatful that I didnt lose her. The first night in the Coldwater hospital she was in ICU. Thank GOD!........thats how stupid I was not to do something earlier......But as lots of you have said, we have made the first step.........I feel really great!!!.Today when I got back I went to the Pop-A-Top. I had six letters of JD under the bar. I grabed one out and in front of about 25 patrons said, I still sell JD here but this will the last one that I ever carry out of here. I took it out and crisined the garbage dumpster with it!!!!!!!!!!!!....welp pretty tire gang. Again thanks for all of your support. We love you guys. Always a brother and Sister Mark and Dee
Mark Jackson
USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 20:12:02 (MDT)
Hi Flight, Mark and Dee I hope things work out for you. See in Atlana at the reunion
USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 19:45:22 (MDT)
Mark & Dee We're all with you. Just one day at a time. Bernie & Diane where are you ?????
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, TX USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 13:00:22 (MDT)
STREET, MD USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 08:54:39 (MDT)
I have been reading the board for about a month now I haven,t seen any one posting that i can remember. I do see others I served with on the contact list. I was the Detachment Sgt. for the 433 rd, Met Det. from Sept. 66 to Aug. 66 then transfered to HQ 268 th. Bn.until Mar. 68 I would like to hear from anyone, I am going to be in Atlanta area athe same time as the reunion and was wondering if there is any time set aside for the members of the 129 th,get togeather set up I have put my contact information in and email to mark twice. I see now he had been ill Hope they get well soon and get the support they need. I will put my contact info. here for now Edward R. Mardis 2041 FM 2808 Kempner Tx. 76539 Phone 254 547 1525
Edward R. Mardis <>
Kempner, Tx USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 08:21:21 (MDT)
Mark and Dee: You made the first step!! But, wanted you to know that your 129th family is here for both of you. The years has flown by since I first met you and Dee. You have become part of our family. When I needed help organization something or had an idea about the 129th you both stood tall and answered to call. But, now my Brother and Sister it's our time to answer that call. We are here for both you and Dee and the Jackson family. Take Care My Brother and Sister. See you in Atlanta. Always A Brother Alex
Alex Fernwalt <>
Memphis, TN USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 06:53:51 (MDT)
Mark, It was good to hear from you. I know all the 129th will be there for you if you ever need us. Just let us know. We are family. Always a sister, Katharine
Katharine <>
USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 06:36:48 (MDT)
Mark, read your post and I'm glad you and Dee are getting the help you need. I can only speak for myself, but I certainly wouldn't think less of someone who had to be this strong to admit to everyone they had a problem. I wish you continued success and hope to see you in Atlanta. I don't think I am riding my bike there either. I can make better time in the truck and won't have a sore ass when i get there. Keep up the good work, and know that I will always be proud to call you my Brother... Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 05:52:48 (MDT)
Mark, I was wondering where you have been, it has been a long time since I've seen a post from you. well Brother, I wish you and Dee the best of luck. hang in there you two will make it just fine. I will keep you two in my prayers. if you ever need to chat call me. I think you have my number if you don't send me an E-mailand I will send it to you. I don't want to post it here. Love you guys. Later, Don
Don Miller
USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 22:06:36 (MDT)
..One more thing. The photos that I have failed to get on the web sight for Diane. Im sorry I will try and do my best to resolve that issue as soon as possible....that story I just wrote was suppose to be short, but had to get it all out...I love you 129th family Mark
Mark Jackson
INDY, USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 21:53:36 (MDT)
Well.....guess who???????.......yep, its me, Mark, and I am recovering make a long story short......and with the help of our daughters, Dee and I have just gotten out of DE/TOX.......yeah, can you believe it.......never thought we had a problem...did know that we drank a lot and it became to much.....I finished up 4 days at St. Vincint Stress center here in INDY and Dee went throught it At Lima Mem in Lima,OH.......we now are both going through the programs to help us stay clean. I will be doing, I think, about a couple of weeks here at the place where I was here in INDY and Dee will be doing hers at Lima...........we havent been apart for so long since I left for Okinawa in 1971. For some reason the programs do not want a husband and wife to go through it together. It broke my heart to leave Dee in Lima and have to hava our daughter drive me to INDY. Good thing she lives here and I will get to be with the grandsons for a spell. I wish Dee could be here though. It all started last Sunday Dee and I have been drinking in the mornings lately and did so that day. We went to our youngest 21st B/DAY party. Dee got sick and we had to take her to the EMRG. Room. Now at that time the girls did not know that their mother was drinking so much. But when getting the blood work back it wasnt hard to tell and Dee's Liver was about in shock. She was addmitted in Coldwater for the night and givin the proper meds to bring her out of the slight shock was in. The next day we transfered her to Lima where she began de/tox. I came to indy Monday night and started detox here........sorry I have to tell all of you this but I'm not hideing it anymore. That is Denial, and Dee and I wont do that.....I hope no one thinks any diffrent of us, but as you can see it can sometimes be easy to hide the disease, or at least think that you are........I want all of you to know though that we are really, really feeling better physically and emotionally.......but we still have a lot of work to do because we dont want to relapse. I am a hopeing that we will be setteled enough for Atlanta, but might not ride the bike. There is a thing called P.A.W.(Post Acute Withdrawl) that may be setting in at that time, so we may be driving. I must admit, I actually learned a lot about myself and my drinking problem and also made about 5 new friends that we in the same hell hole. If any of you remember the Famous Barry W./Mark J. dance at the one reunion Ball, well of course I was the class clown at all the group meetings we had and we had one about every hour. They did do us a lot of good. I was the only first timer, all the rest had relapsed more the from twice, to 10 times And not just Drinking . Some were in for Crack, persciption drug adiction, and even heroin. Believe or not my best friend out of the joint was the heroin addict. " MITT" was his name. When some of us heard that we would be leaving we all went around giving each other our addresses and phone numbers It was almost like leaving chuch camp, There were tears shead. We had created a bond among ourselves. Man and woman..............just an example of my hummor I injected in the groups is this.......the Big Book, as it is called, the AA/NA manual, tells us, to stay clean, one of the things we must do is change our bioligical, emotional, and solcial envierment. I said..."Hell that sounds like we have to have a sex change, become a zombie, and get the hell outta town"..Pretty good huh? :))))))........ Now am not preaching to anyone....I will just say this......and not to you in general my loved this world, some have lost wives, children, homes, money,and themselves to this desase. If I were to meet one of those, I would strongly erge them to get de/toxed and get clean and begin the process of the chance to get all those things back. Maybe not the old ones, could be new ones...........I have the tuffest future a head of all that I was with the last 4 days. I am an alcoholic, and I own a bar.....emmmmmmm??? I wonder how this will turn out............welp....setting here in our daughters house, grandkids are in bed. I sang songs to them to put them asleep. Going home for 2 days to see Dee in Lima, then back here........the e-mail address below is our daughter Nino's, and that is where I will be for a few can either write me here or post any thing you would like in the flight log book to me. Sure greatful I have wonderful daughters who love Dee and I. My 129th family, I love you guys also.....and cant wait to here from you again. Ron Paye, when you get back to INDY , call me. We can have some lunch together. And Fred A. and Suzy. I would love to See you also, and Gale and Debby you too, and Rainer and Dee, you guys are close to here also, and anybody else that is close. I will be in and out so call to get when I will be here. We could have a Mini 129th here in INDY. Whatta ya say?....I am at 317-570-0559.........Oh, by the way, ever body in de/tox knows about the 129th and you may have a few make a post in here. They are good people, and also my freinds now................................. What can I say?..................I love you guys!!!!!!! The newly repainted and cleaned Pop-A-TopII...always a brother & sister...Mark and Dee
Mark Jackson <>
INDY, in USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 21:47:58 (MDT)
Jamie, i sent the check out to you yesterday morning. The address is on the check. Have a nice day.... Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 10:36:45 (MDT)
Good morning. Robbie and Fred A - got your messages. Making one more order today to get you guys the right size. I need your addresses though. Making preparations for our annual Memorial Day event at the American Legion here. Huge production - well attended. The veterans look great and do a terrific job. Have a safe weekend all. Jamie and Ron
Jamie DeBates <>
Big Timber, MT USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 07:30:41 (MDT)
Jamie, I'd like an XL short sleeved shirt, too. Tried to email you and it was returned "failed". Do you still have any left? Let me know. Thanks. Jim Hydinger
Jim Hydinger <>
Rosholt, WI USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 06:07:02 (MDT)
Jamie save a large t-shirt & a hat for me.Whats the best way for payment-Personal check,money order etc??????Let me know so I can start the ball rolling.
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, TX USA - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 12:46:19 (MDT)
me too jamie and a hat
USA - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 10:13:03 (MDT)
Jamie, I would like to order another Large T shirt from you before you go out of business. I'll send you a check. Hello to all the Hiss and Pissers out there. Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 05:48:05 (MDT)
STREET , MD USA - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 07:17:05 (MDT)
Good Morning Flight. Bill Pecknold - check in? I need your mailing address. Safe travel to all going to Atlanta. You'll be in our thoughts. I have a small supply of t-shirts and a couple hats left, and then we'll be shutting down the store. Too costly to keep an inventory on hand and of course, the shop raised their prices this Spring. So if anyone wants 129th merchandise for Atlanta, speak up quickly. First come first served. Have a great week. Jamie DeBates
Jamie DeBates
Big Timber, MT USA - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 06:10:14 (MDT)
We are all doomed. But very, very slowly. So don't worry.
London., USA - Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 16:07:14 (MDT)
keeeeeeeeeep offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff guy keeeeeeeeeeep offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
togo, lome - Saturday, May 17, 2003 at 05:17:27 (MDT)
Don`t giggle Dave....I ordered "Glass Harp..Live At Carnegie Hall 1972", it was one of their last performances together. 5 songs that last 53 minutes, talk about jamming!!!!! I hope the "sound quality" is good. I ordered it from a Christian Music store....surely they wouldn`t sell anything that`s not good quality.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 08:21:20 (MDT)
Fred S... Better start bidding on the Glass Harp album, eh? It's about like those Traveling Wilbury albums... originals a little scarce. Keaggy's "Crimson and Blue" album has two photos of his hand and stub middle finger. Also his "Way Back Home" album has a little story inside the jacket about how he lost the finger tip... clipped it off on an old pump handle, or something like that.
Dave Powers <>
Montrose, Colorado USA - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 07:20:33 (MDT)
Dave...I thought that was a urban legend....I was told that before, point being he`s great!!!! Glass Harp concert`s had a real broad mix of people there, but they were so good. I saw a "Glass Harp" cd for sale at, and they put no price on it and the bidding started at $50.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 18:16:16 (MDT)
Phil Keaggy also plays remarkably well, even though he's missing the last joint of his right index (strumming) finger, due to a pump accident!
Dave Powers
USA - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 16:08:06 (MDT)
Dave Powers and I were talking about Phil Keaggy, I was fortunate to have seen Phil and his group "Glass Harp" 2 or 3 times. Phil is one of the most amazing guitarist I`ve seen in my lifetime," Children`s Fantasies" was my favorite songs of his........ Phil Keaggy.... is an excellent all-around guitarist who has been a part of the CCM scene for over two decades. Born and raised in Ohio in a Catholic family of ten, Keaggy always loved music and spent hours listening to such singers as Johnny Ray and Elvis Presley. He began imitating the latter as young as age four. Keaggy was also exposed to other kinds of music and became well versed in classical. His first guitar was a late-'50s Gretsch Anniversary model; at age ten his father bought him a Sears Silvertone, and by the end of fifth grade, he was playing in front of his entire school. Three years later, Keaggy was playing professionally with the Squires. He and his longtime friend, drummer John Sferra, founded Glass Harp in the late '60s when he was in the eleventh grade. They soon became known as one of the most innovative power trios around, even though they were never together long enough to break through commercially. They had a contract with Decca, toured the country several times, and had a growing base of devoted fans, many of whom were knocked out by Keaggy's lightning-fast guitar riffs and experimental sounds. At their pinnacle, Glass Harp was opening for such major acts as Iron Butterfly, Yes, Traffic and Chicago. It was a lot of fame to be heaped upon such young musicians, and it being the late '60s, Keaggy was exposed to and partook of his share of drugs. His life changed dramatically on February 14, 1970. While lying in a hotel room suffering from a bad LSD trip, his parents were involved in a head-on auto crash back in Ohio. His mother died soon afterward, and this spawned a crisis for Keaggy that led to his becoming a born-again Christian. In the early '70s, Keaggy took to testifying before bewildered Glass Harp listeners after their concerts. He left Glass Harp in 1972 and the following year recorded his first solo album, What a Day. He then spent many years working with a Christian fellowship and married. Since then, Keaggy has released well over a dozen albums earning critical acclaim for both his virtuosity on guitar and his songwriting, which ranges from the Beatlesque pop of Sunday's Child to more subtle intrumentals. He occasionally gets back together with the other members of Glass Harp for reunion concerts, and in 1998 he returned to the Word/Epic stable with a self-titled LP. Majesty and Wonder
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 13:34:48 (MDT)
Fred S... Yep, the Hendrix/Keaggy thing was one of the first things I found on that site. Bruno, you're welcome, bro. That stuff really takes you back...
Dave Powers
USA - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 11:38:17 (MDT)
Dave P. Thanks Brother. I couldn't remember the name.Thats a long time ago . Bernie & Diane where are you ?????
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, Tx USA - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 09:43:32 (MDT)
Goodmorning Flight: Well I don't know what theme of this years reunion is, but we all all will have a great time. As far as dress code, be yourself and dress comfortable. There will raffle tickets on sale. And one items is a tail rotor blade, which I'm in the process of painting. Another items is a hand made quilt with the VHCMA trademark on it, and a tail rotor chain braclet. Of coarse alot of other stuff that we all donate for the raffle. The hotel is about full at my last check. Should be one if not the largest turnouts. My first reunion in 91 was only 30 brothers and some of there wives. Last in Pheonix we had about 300. I am looking forward to seeing everyone. As the 129th we have gone from 1 member in 1991, 2 members in 1998 to 38 mmbers in 2000 in louisville. So each year the 129th gets bigger. Thanks to Mark,Dee and webmaster David for this tool the 129th web site to help bring us together. And thanks to the VHCMA for using some of their resouces to track down some of our Brothers by social numbers. I was glad when I was able to find the Brothers you were looking for. I have made contact with some of our Brothers whom are not AT THE POINT TO JOIN US YET. So I leave them alone. and hope one day they will join us. Well 4 weeks and a wake up!!!If and of you have an old shot timers calender, bring it so we can get copies. Take Care Brothers and Sisters. ALEX
Alex Fernwalt <>
Memphis, Tn. USA - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 07:13:35 (MDT)
Of Course....Blues Image...I remember them more for the "Postage Stamp Album" with the song "Runnin Out Of Time". Dave P. By the way thanks for , heads up!!!! That sure puts a lot of "urban legends" to rest. Hendrix never said Phil Keaggy was the best "guitar player" in the world. But Keaggy`s one of the best, he`s a good Ohio fellow, Kent State Alumni matter of fact.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 15:27:09 (MDT)
Ride, Captain ride... Blues Image.
Dave Powers
USA - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 14:58:41 (MDT)
Green Eyed Lady....Played that on AFVN all the time, during the "Cambodian Campaign" in April and May of 70. I got Sugarloaf`s first two albums on one CD form, plus their other hit "Don`t Call Us, We`ll Call You". The long version of Green Eyed Lady is real good. Bruno!!!!Who was that song "Seventy Three Men" by? Can`t remember it!!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 14:13:56 (MDT)
Green Eyed Lady, Man They used to play the S--- out it back in May of '70 when I went thru basic @ Ft Lewis. That & Seventy three men.
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, Tx USA - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 12:17:25 (MDT)
Sugarloaf... Green Eyed Lady. They used to show up in Manitou at a club out there... don't remember the name of it, as I never went in. Do remember a bar fight across the street once.
Dave Powers
USA - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 07:30:01 (MDT)
I talked to Alex and he said there is a theme this year! And it's have fun digging up some of that old stuff. Should be fun, right Alex?! Always there, Gently
Gently <>
USA - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 07:21:23 (MDT)
Good Morning Flight. I met Ron Paye last night as he had come into town for the Run For The Wall. Unfortunately, I have to work today, and cannot be there, but I plan on attending for the send off next year. What a high charged, emotional event. It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. If anyone would like to send Ron some words of encouragement, they have a mail call and hand out e-mails. The subject should have the person's name that you want the e-mail given to, and the e-mail address is: for anyone interested.
Karey <>
Ca. USA - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 06:15:21 (MDT)
J.W., Some dress up...some don't. I wore jeans last year,sooooooo....Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 22:37:36 (MDT)
Yea.."Superstar" was a Discotheque(another French word). But by the time I drove up from Pueblo, with a car load of teenage college girls (classmates of course), I was pretty stoned. Beer was the last thing on my mind. I was married at the time, so it was all in fun. Plus I always had to drive back to Pueblo, so gettin drunk wasn`t to smart of a thing to do. If I went to bars on campus, it was to play "foosball". Electric Company, yea I think I was there a couple of times. But by 74, my hair was real long and I didn`t fit in to disco`s very well, I was going thru my "country rock phase". Early Eagles with Bernie Leadon, Poco with Richie Furay and Timothy Schmit,and Jim Messina, Pure Prairie League with Craig Fuller and Vince Gill, Marshall Tucker Band when Toy and Tommy Caldwell were alive. Those are the groups that I throw on the CD player if I want to hear "country" now!!!!!! Do you guys remember a local band from Denver, Colorado named Sugarloaf? And another local guy named Shawn Phillips.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 19:53:21 (MDT)
Hi flight, is there a dress code for the dinner=dance at the reunion
USA - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 19:17:14 (MDT)
ahhh, the good old electric company bar. Thur. nite ,50 cent pitcher of beer. saw many a fight there. Best friends wife worked there.whhooo hooo,smoke on the water...and rocky mountian high. I too pulled guard duty at the ammo dump and i too had a shotgun. last time i pulled it , it was 50 below, huge storm. Shotgun froze , so i went inside to thaw it. of course the offericer of the guard pulled up then.I slamed a few parts back together,making it look complete, then ran outside to the gates.Challenged the gentleman and his driver,,,he says...its to cold outside,,stay in the guard shack. whew, ty lord. I just knew i had had it for "not being at my post", tho I could see it from the door window. But what the heck, my shotgun had actually froze. Thank goodness for ta 50.
USA - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 17:11:24 (MDT)
John D. and Freds - Yup, I remember "Superstar" in the Springs, too. Wasn't it off of Academy? I think you're right, John... it was a 3.2 joint... pretty cheesy, as I recall and lots of disco maniacs! Fred S... I had a similar job at Ft. Lewis in boot camp... had to help the short-timer cooks at the pastries mess hall. We showed up at about 3:30 am and made donuts until 7:00 or so when we were done. Another crew picked them up and delivered them to the mess halls on post.
Dave Powers
USA - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 15:34:59 (MDT)
Happy Armed Forces week everyone!!! Thank you for serving, thank you for going. Thank you for coming "Home." Gently
Gently <>
USA - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 10:47:51 (MDT)
fred Skaggs, i do remember superstar. it was a 3.2 place if i remember right. there was another place down south springs think it was called electric company or something like that. man oh man nevada ave. in the evening and 68 396 ss chevell or a 70 camaro ss. lots of fun. also remember the strip joints. boy were they rip offs. also remeber the dog house on post it was an nco club annex, and sick call early sunday mornings.
john dillman <>
liberty, mo USA - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 20:24:41 (MDT)
Fred Alvis and Dave Powers or John Dillman...Do you guys remember a nightclub called "Superstar" in "The Springs". It was kinda a disco more so. I use to go there when I was in college. Duty after Nam was pretty good for me, in Germany. They made me the ration driver for the mess hall. I`d get up every morning at 3:30 AM and drive a "deuce and a half" into Mainz and pick-up rations. Get back buy 9:00 AM and unload and store stuff. I`d get off at 12:00 PM. I was done. I lived off post, so no-one ever saw me, but the guys I lived with.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 17:28:30 (MDT)
John Dillman and Fred Alvis - I, too remember the poor trooper who took a face slam from the tank gun. I think we were in the field for "Night Gunnery" that night. Motor pool guard duty sucked, too. I had to pull ammo dump guard duty once, and they gave me a 12-gauge to "defend" it with. I also remember getting tapped for cadre duty once. We had to run a bunch of troopers through the M79 grenade launcher course. The armament officer said he didn't want to haul unused ammo back to the ordnance folks, so we had a field day "using it up"! My shoulder hurt after a while! We must have shot up a hundred rounds of HE. I got out in April 1973, after a brief tour with "Project Transition"... took drafting, and still doing it today!
Dave Powers
USA - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 14:21:56 (MDT)
I don't know if Mike Moore's essay really means a damned thing, other than to point out what's become a standard in our country....most of the politician's are too important to risk their own lives, it's up to the rest of us to do that. Been that way for a couple hundred years. it used to be that the rich would pay someone to take their places, till they got smart enough to roll out the jingoism and convince others to just go, in the name of defending our country. They'll invent the crisis, decide who the enemies are, even if they were our friends yesterday. It's all a matter of convenience.......... I read somewhere else about boy georgie not fulfilling his guard's just another example of how dumb the democrats are...none of this came out during the cmapaign.......Unlike the Dixie Chicks, I'm glad he's from texas, it's bad enough that we have to put up with his daddy and grandmother, up here in the summertime. Kim
Livermoe, Me USA - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 07:51:24 (MDT)
Flight, hope all survived the tornados. Had a close call here, but, it hit south of us in Terre Haute. Really tore the trees up down there. Ray, sounds like you are really excited about Atlanta. I hope you can also make Kokomo in Sept. Later, Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 07:48:16 (MDT)
STREET , MD USA - Saturday, May 10, 2003 at 17:37:39 (MDT)
MIKE MOORE,,,,,,and ur point is?
USA - Saturday, May 10, 2003 at 09:37:21 (MDT)
Who served in the military?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 108th Senate Prominent Democrats Representative Richard Gephardt - Served his country in uniform, 1965-71 Representative David Bonior - Served his country in uniform, 1968-72 Senator Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform, 1969-72 Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Medal of Honor, Vietnam Daniel Inouye... Democrat... Medal of Honor, World War Two John Kerry... Democrat...Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat Charles Rangel...Democrat... Bronze Star, Korea Max Cleland... Democrat... Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979. Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. Ambassador "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Democratic congressman, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: served in combat with the U.S. Army as a staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." Prominent Republicans Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve. Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve. House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve. "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself." House Majority Whip Roy Blount - did not serve Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.) Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve. Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984. GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh? VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve; sought deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, too busy being a Republican. Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing. "B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea. Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him. Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986 Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...") Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are a few more... Democrats Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII. Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) " was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.) Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine) Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953 Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Republicans/Conservatives Political Senator Don Nickles, R-OK - Did not serve Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, fifth-ranking Republican in Congress - did not serve Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve, had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism) Representative JC Watts - did not serve Jack Kemp, did not serve (was fit enough for pro football, but "failed" the physical?) Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) Eliot Abrams, did not serve (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America) Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve Vin Weber, did not serve Richard Perle, did not serve (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?) Rudy Giuliani, did not serve Michael Bloomberg, did not serve George Pataki, did not serve Spencer Abraham, did not serve John Engler, did not serve Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service. George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Hit by enemy fire, he bailed out of his airplane and was later rescued; neither of his two crew members made it out of the plane. Tom Ridge, Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy) Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China. Congresswoman Heather Wilson, served in the Air Force Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online) George Will, did not serve Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve. Bill O'Reilly, did not serve Paul Gigot, did not serve. Bill Bennett, Did not serve Pat Buchanan, did not serve Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.]) John Wayne, did not serve Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer." Bill Kristol, did not serve Kenneth Starr, did not serve Antonin Scalia, did not serve Clarence Thomas, did not serve Ralph Reed, did not serve Charlie Daniels, did not serve Ted Nugent, did not serve Independents Gov. Jesse Ventura, U.S. Navy SEAL training, did UDT work Senator Jim Jeffords, U.S. Navy 1956-1959
Mike Moore <>
Flint, MI USA - Saturday, May 10, 2003 at 09:01:22 (MDT)
keep off.
guy <>
Lome, Togo USA - Saturday, May 10, 2003 at 07:11:07 (MDT)
i got out in jan of 74, Motor pool gaurd and parking area guard duty sucked.They started giving guards bats to carry after one parking area guard got mugged and beaten.Around this time they started "racial classes" also.Never heard so much bs spouted by so many in my life. By the way, I was in the 1/10 inf., not the cav.When i arrived at carson, they said we are over strenght in avaition so i was to be put in 11 bravo. Told them so stick it where the sun dont shine and my attitude went down hill from there.Hated the infty. they made me a personal carrier driver. m 11?Has a lt. fresh out of west point. Great guy, named bookout.Going dowm range toward publo was kinda fun.U guys remimber the blizzard of 73 ( i think) when carson had to send personal carriers out on the interstate to rescue people? ever go fishing up at 11 mile reservior? chuckle, young people cant believe we used to buy pot for 8 dollars an ounce.
USA - Saturday, May 10, 2003 at 05:45:50 (MDT)
The United States military used much more Agent Orange and other defoliant spray during the Vietnam war than previously thought, scientists say. A new study of US military records also found that the amount of cancer-causing dioxin chemicals in the spray has been seriously underestimated. The report, commissioned by the US Government, is the culmination of a five-year project by environmental health experts at New York's Columbia University. Between 1961 and 1971, the US military sprayed parts of southern Vietnam with defoliant chemicals - such as Agent Orange - with the aim of allowing the Americans and their South Vietnamese allies to spot Vietcong forces moving in the forests. The Columbia team painstakingly examined operational records of individual spraying missions in Vietnam, and cross-referenced them with procurement records showing which kinds of defoliant were used at which times. We think there was at least twice as much dioxin as had been thought before - and that number is a conservative estimate Professor Jeanne Stellman They conclude that 77 million litres of Agent Orange were used - rather than 70m litres as has been estimated previously. But according to project leader Professor Jeanne Stellman, the most significant finding concerns dioxins - chemicals known to cause cancer. "We think there was at least twice as much dioxin as had been thought before - and that number is a conservative estimate because it seems very likely that much of the earlier Agent Orange was much more heavily contaminated with dioxin," Professor Stellman said. 'Millions' affected Her team has published their work in the scientific journal Nature. But it also forms part of a report which the US Department of Veterans Affairs commissioned from the National Academy of Sciences. It will almost certainly increase pressure within the United States for a comprehensive medical assessment of veterans exposed to Agent Orange, but also pressure from within Vietnam for assistance and compensation. The Columbia team concludes that "millions of Vietnamese were likely to have been sprayed upon directly". Previous research has found that some Vietnamese have 200 times the normal level of dioxin in their bodies.
Mike Moore <>
Flint, MI USA - Friday, May 09, 2003 at 22:58:46 (MDT)
Fred A, and Dave Powers. I was at fort carson also. I remember SSG Childers very well. I was in C troop 1/10 cav., and I to worked on sheridans,113and 114s. When I arrived I was given a choice I could go to the cav, or I could go to the stockade as a guard. I some how didn't see myself as a stockade guard. I truly enjoyed myself in Colo. Springs was cool. Before I left we had new recruits come through for training as tankers. We had a young trooper handeling a mis-fire, he was trying to see if the breech was sealed and the gun fired. Took better part of the left side of his forehead and face. months later he was still in the hospital, but in a non responding state. Don't know what ever happened to him. Sure hope he mad it. Anyway I left in May of 1973. Oh I just thought of something I didn't like Motor Pool guard duty. Especially in the winter.
john dillman <>
liberty, Mo USA - Friday, May 09, 2003 at 21:48:33 (MDT)
Fred A. Never climbed Pikes Peak... always thought it would be fun, though! Now I get my exercise walking up and down the hills around here. Got a favorite fishing hole that you have to drop in about 2000 feet to get to, then walk out! Childers... he was an E-6 Staff Sergeant, about 5'-6" and from Virginia, I thought. Don't remember the Chevelle, but it could have been him! There was another guy from San Diego who had a brand new SS Chevelle (1972, hot rod orange) he bought with his re-up bonus. I remember him taking his 30 day re-up leave and driving his Chevelle back to SD. Since he had some specialty hot rod equipment on this rig, it couldn't take the long trip... he blew the engine and was stuck in the army for another 6 years with a car with a blown engine... poor sucker.
Dave Powers
USA - Friday, May 09, 2003 at 12:07:40 (MDT)
Bruno....Well said my friend...Never thought about just how dangerous being on a "slick flight crew" really was until years later. All the things that could go wrong, the thoughts would make me cringe and block the thoughts out. I`m not taking anything away from "gunships" crews. Just that we were "sittin ducks" sometimes. But Bruno, you made mention of leaving no one behind. I have to admit that I was on a crew that "had to leave" a VNAF pilot behind one time. The last two months of my tour, I was assigned to a "VIP" mission for the 22nd ARVN, MACV Advisor(Colonel Book). Jesus....that colonel got us in more shit, in that 2 months, than I had been thru in the first 10 months. We were flying in 141(Chicken Wagon) as they called it. We picked up Colonel Book that morning over at Bagi(22nd Divsion Headquarters). Book had his own little "head-set" and would tell us where to go. That day we went up by Dak To, just southwest near the "Tri Borders", nasty area. So that day we set down in a LZ that was suppose to be secured. Well Colonel Book told us to "shut down", that he was gonna be awhile. Well it was pretty casual it appeared, the ARVN`s cooling out and washing their uniforms down by a little stream and cookin, just like home, no problems. Our crew that day was North Witcher, AC, the VNAF pilot and a Native-American kid from upstate New York named Phillips and myself. So the VNAF pilot spotted some "home boys" and wandered over to talk to them. We just laid down to take in some sun and basically "cool out". Well the day went by slow and lazy, my thoughts were, this is all good. We slept most of the day, at one point I kinda walked off into the woods to take a crap. I just couldn`t do that public!!!! Well when I came back ,I ask North what time he had, and he told me 20 after 3. And all of a sudden all hell broke loose, mortars started hittin and gun fire broke loose and everyone was running for cover. All but us, North had jumped in the ship and started crankin it up. Phillips and I was into our "chickenplates" and getting ready to rolled. Then here came Book running toward the ship yelling "Let`s go!!!!! Man they were startin to "walk them motars" toward the helicopter. Colonel Book scream again, Go!!! Go!!! But no VNAF pilot!!!! We pulled pitch and took off......without the pilot. Colonel Book told North not to go back and get the VNAF pilot. So we were off...we called in Air Force F-4`s and went to Dak To, refueled and went back to Bagi. Dropped off the Colonel and went home to An Son. Nobody knew anything as far as what happen to the pilot. But it dawn on me that , the VC or NVA had more than likely "watch us all day". They probably seen me crap.... The next day we had a regular american PP and went over to pick-up Book. The good colonel told us that the pilot had "stayed in the bush" with his buddies. And later on that day we picked the VNAF pilot up at a different LZ and brought him back to Bagi. So Bruno, we had to leave someone behind that day!!!!! The thought of that inccident has always given me chills, but I would just block it out.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 23:49:14 (MDT)
What's up y'all? Just gotta let everybody know about a new blazin' hip-hop artist -Promise D'Apostle- -OR- He begins his North American tour May 20/03!!!!! Also, he will be performing and presenting at the vibes awards May 24/03!!! His multi-award winning album "The Promise That Heaven Kept" is available now! God Bless!!
drewdiddy <>
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 23:15:13 (MDT)
Good Evening Bulldgos & Cobras . Gently I'll give you my comments from my own observations. Its been over 30 years some I won't be too exact on the dates. Anyway as a newbe, I was in transit in Phu Bai was being processed into the division some grunts that were being processed out to DROS we struck a converstion. by my new fatigues they knew that I a newbe . don't ask me for names. One of them asked me my MOS . I proudly told him that I was a huey mechanic. I noticed a change in his facial expression of respect. Newbes didnot get too much respect from the Vets- especially Grunts. In the course of the converstion he mentioned the just the name Ghost Riders. He didnt know what unit - A Co, C Co, etc. Keep in mind that I was only one of many being processed in.Many of " sad faces ." While many of "glad faces" because they were leaving the Nam. The grunt recommended the Ghost Riders because & I quote "they don't leave you." I finally got to the personnel clerk for assignement to a company/unit. I also didnt know who,what,when or where. Thats why we were call newbe. The more exact name was "cherry",which you call. This is what every new person was called or that of. This is not any excuse to our female sisters. This was just the norm. I finally got my assignment to A co 158th. I didnt kbnow that I had been assigned to the unit that I had requested based on this grunt's recommendation. huey pilots, crew chiefs & gunners were always " LOOKED UP". They were respected for their bravery to get into harms way. No matter with what unit they flew for or what division. I took great pride in just doing the best job in repairing the slicks. OPeople flew in these machine so they in turn could go & do the best possible job they could. There are probalbly hundred of other slick crews who went into harms way & not leave "anyone" behind. This was the brave slick drivers who made that decison.Yes the c/e & the gunners may have had some influence. but the final decision was the driver's. They are the ones that deserve the credit. This was the norm,every day for 365 days. The drivers depended on the gunners. The gunners depended on the drivers to get them in & out. The flight crews depended on the mechanic to make the repairs. I too, have a lot of respect for the drivers.Their skill in "driving" made me at ease back in the well.This helped me to keep wits back there. I'very proud to be in the brotherhood of one of nams most respected group. The men who flew the Slick. I was one the thousands of crew chiefs. Its been over 30 years & I still get a lump in my throat when I'm asked what I job I did in the nam. I cant help think of Claude, Tom & Bernie every time I'm asked what job I did while I was in nam. They were all good pilots no matter what unit they flew for. E'nuff Said. Later
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, Tx USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 20:34:26 (MDT)
Fred A.....I sure enough thought everyone was talkin about A company 158th AHC Ghost Riders, 101st Airborne. Yea...I hope the benefits and money is right for Kim`s job in Holland. I talk to Kim few hour`s ago and she went to exchange $300 American dollars to to Euro`s, and she got back 265 Euro`s. She was ready to start raising hell, but then looked at the exchange rate for today and the Euro`s are worth more than the american dollar. I told her make sure her salary is in Euro`s instead of dollars......but that could change if our economy pick`s up.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 19:35:06 (MDT)
Gently, I was with 60th ahc ( ghostriders) not the 158th. never heard of them till I read the newspaper thingy.This could get confusing.My unit was south of anson, between tuy hoa and nha trang. was the division hdgrts for white horse div. of the ROKS.Was just us. no other units. That story reminds me of when the gooks got shoulder heald ,heat seeking missels. Was knocking us out of the skys left and right, no defense against them till uncle sam turned the exhaust shroud up into the rotor wash. Not much, but it helped.Also was them time we first started using wire guided "tow" missels against tanks and such. Happened in tet of 72 in kontum. Me thinks that was the turning point of warfare as our fathers knew it. hey Fred Skaggs, sounds like good news for u and the Misses. good luck buddy.Dave, the only childress i knew had a 67 ss chevelle with a tunnel ram sticking thru the hood. Was that the one? Good buddy of mine had a 66 vette there,painted diferent colors.Hmmm, i was there when lbj ( i think) died. Ray granger, ty for the invite, but its ron thats riding , not me. sold my bike in the mid 80s. should have got rid of the woman i was with and not the bike. hey Dave, u ever climb pikes peak? i did, 4 or 5 times. nice trail up that rascal.
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 17:34:02 (MDT)
The Price of Exit.......... Tom Marshall............. GENTLY.....Maybe this will help, it`s at Barnes and Noble Book Store...... ABOUT THE BOOK.......... From the Publisher......... "The risk of a fatal catastrophe was constant. The NVA was the enemy, but the ultimate opponent was, quite simply, death. . . ." For assault helicopter crews flying in and around the NVA-infested DMZ, the U.S. pullout from Vietnam in 1970-71 was a desperate time of selfless courage. Now former army warrant officer Tom Marshall of the Phoenix, C Company, 158th Aviation Battalion, 101st Airborne, captures the deadly mountain terrain, the long hours flown under enormous stress, the grim determination of hardened pilots combat-assaulting through walls of antiaircraft fire, the pickups amid exploding mortar shells and hails of AK fire, the nerve-racking string extractions of SOG teams from North Vietnam. . . . And, through it all, the rising tension as helicopter pilots and crews are lost at an accelerating pace. It is no coincidence that the Phoenix was one of the most highly decorated assault helicopter units in I Corps. For as the American departure accelerated and the enemy added new, more powerful antiaircraft weapons, the helicopter pilots, crew chiefs, and gunners paid the heavy price of withdrawal in blood. For more than 30 Percent of Tom Marshall's 130 helicopter-school classmates, the price of exit was their lives. . . .
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 13:47:50 (MDT)
Small world. Looking for a book or two about our Ghoast Riders...any ideas? Amazon .com was not helpful. Small, small, world... Gently
Gentlyj <jsinger@iuwm. edu>
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 11:14:16 (MDT)
Sorry Gently.....So much for them "speed reading" courses I took!!!!! His daughter goes to Wake Tech and Bill "teaches".....Plus they changed the name about a year ago to Wake Tech C.C.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 09:43:45 (MDT)
Gently.....Bill McFarland is from Clayton,N.C., just outside Raleigh. Wake Tech, where his son goes to college, is here in Raleigh, Wake County Technical College. Just a little note here, Kim landed in Amsterdam Tuesday morning, and took a cab to the hotel. She noticed the cab driver spoke english with almost a "midwest accent". She struck up coversation with him and he was a american from Newark,Ohio that`s been living in Amsterdam since 1969. She ask him how did he get there from Newark, and he told her he was assign in Mainz, Germany with the U.S. Army after Nam. He would go to Amsterdam on the week-ends and met a Dutch lady and married her and been in Holland ever since. Kim found out that he was with the 9th Infantry Division in the Mekong Delta in 67-68. Kim told him I was a helicopter crewmen in Nam, she couldn`t remember where I was, she just knew I was near the mountains. Jim Haley is his name, because Kim got his business card, over there they own their cabs. He said he would help us find housing if Kim takes the job. I`ll have to check him out, if Kim takes the job offer she has. They flew her over for the interview. I`ve had some good times with other Nam Vets that live in Holland, when I was over there before.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 09:27:37 (MDT)
Flight(Bruno)-here's the Ghoast Rider Story. It's a total quote with source and everything one would need...Always there-Gently Ghost Riders - Vietnam vet reunites with members of his unit CATHY MARRACCINI April 30, 2003 Bill McFarland was airlifted off of a mountain in Vietnam in 1970 with injuries that, though not life threatening, were severe enough to end his tour in Southeast Asia. Drafted at the age of 18, the then 20-year-old army veteran went on with his life, pursuing his education, busying himself with a career in law enforcement and eventually moving to Clayton and raising a family. Over the last 30 years, he has tried to put his war experiences behind him. For the most part, he succeeded, until he received a phone call about a year ago. “I was contacted by a private investigator out of New York, who told me that some guys from my old group, particularly one – Larry Kern – had been looking for me for 30 years,” he said. Indigo Films, a West Coast production company working on a documentary for The History Channel, invited McFarland to fly to New Orleans for a reunion with his army unit – the Ghost Riders of the 101st Airborne Division. The documentary, “Operation Reunion,” searches for missing soldiers and reunites them with fellow veterans. The search for McFarland dates back to July 21, 1970, when the Ghost Riders – a volunteer helicopter assault unit – set out to assist in the evacuation of Firebase Ripcord. Ripcord was a late-war attempt to destroy Vietcong supply bases in the mountains and rescue as many of the men left as possible. “These guys were incredible,” he said. “They did so much when everybody else said, ‘No, we can’t do that.’ They’d call the Ghost Riders, and we’d go in and do whatever we could. We lost a lot of people trying to do the things other units knew couldn’t be done, but we’d always go in and try to do it.” On the day of Ripcord, the Ghost Riders were the last resort for what was left of U.S. ground forces battling the North Vietnamese on the mountain. McFarland’s helicopter with its crew of four –two pilots and two gunners – was hit by anti-aircraft fire as it approached the designated landing zone (LZ). McFarland, a gunner, was thrown from the aircraft as it crashed and became pinned under the helicopter when it landed. In the ensuing chaos, the pilot, Kern, and other crew members were told that McFarland was dead. They evacuated the area. “Everyone else had gotten out and were told that I was dead. Nobody in the unit realized I had lived through it,” he said. In the meantime, a ground crew found McFarland and freed him from beneath the copter. He suffered a broken collarbone, a compressed spine and lacerations. It was not the first time McFarland had been wounded in action. A previous injury while he was in the infantry prevented him from engaging in further ground combat. That injury is what led him to volunteer with the Ghost Riders. “I couldn’t go back to the field, and the Ghost Riders were cool,” he said. “When the Ghost Riders came around with the big patches on, we thought it was really cool. We were all just kids, even the pilots were kids, only 22-23-years-old. But if I had to do it over, that would be the last place you’d find me.” During his military service, McFarland received several medals, including a Bronze Star, Silver Star and the Purple Heart. But, he did not receive any recognition for Firebase Ripcord. “As bad as it was, it wasn’t my worst day in Vietnam,” he said. “It worked out okay. There were other things I’d been involved in that were much more serious for me. That was just a normal day.” But everyone has his own perspective on a situation, and for Kern, the battle sparked years of suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and emotional guilt over leaving his friend on the battlefield. It is understood in the military that no one – dead or alive – be left behind, McFarland said. Today, Kerns counsels other troubled veterans and is writing a book called “Wounded Mind.” It was his need for healing that led to the reunion with his unit. “You try to forget those things and you go on with your life. Suddenly, when they were putting footage together to re-enact what had happened, they were digging up a lot of things that I had forgotten or just didn’t pay attention to at the time,” he said. “They were so gruesome. A lot of people died on that LZ. The NVA were taking no prisoners.” Since the reunion, McFarland has resumed his life in Clayton. The father of two – Clayton High School junior Billy, 17, and Wake Tech student, Heather, 20 – teaches criminal justice at Wake Tech Community College. He plans to keep in touch with the men he is now reunited with. “They won’t let me not keep in touch,” he said. His primary concern about the program is that the Ghost Riders receive the recognition due them. He said, “I’d like for the Ghost Riders to have recognition. They were a very special unit, and they were some of the greatest people I’ve ever met in my life. I just was selected in all this to be the one to represent them. I want as many people that can see what this unit did. They did so much when everybody else said, ‘No, we can’t.’” The story of the Ghost Riders and McFarland’s reunion with Kerns’ will be told on the pilot episode of “Operation Reunion,” which is scheduled to air on Memorial Day, May 25, at 8 p.m. on The History Channel. The importsance of Re-unions....Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm>
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 08:21:01 (MDT)
Fred A... Things are a little foggy after 33 years! I worked primarily in the motor pool on M113's, M114's and Sheridans. Worked for a SSGT Childers. Like I said, I was in headquarters troop (HHT), and didn't rub elbows with the other companies much. Did you know Joe "O-Ring" Bagacino? He was in the Cobra platoon, but also got sent to Carson.
Dave Powers
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 08:02:35 (MDT)
STREET, MD USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 06:12:19 (MDT)
Dave, at ft. Carson, I was in the "mule barn" area.Twas not on the "banana". I was also woth the 1/10th. Hmm, trying to remember.... was with 'a ' and "c" company, golden rifles .
USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 04:36:49 (MDT)
Flight, I will be leaving Friday for Phoenix. I will be spending a few days in Phoenix and then Curt Classen and I will head out for California. We will be at the Fairfield Inn on Centerlake Drive in Ontario Tuesday night the 13th, and then will head out across country in the annual Rolling Thunder/Run For The Wall on Wednesday morning May 14th. If anyone wants to hook up and swap a few lies, err stories it would be great to see you. We will stay at the Fairfield Inn in Williams AZ, on the 14th. Comfort Inn in Gallup NM on the 15th. St James Inn in Cimarron, NM on the 16th. Preferred Motor Inn in Limon CO on the 17th. Salina Inn in Salina KS on the 18th. Days Inn in Wentzville, MO on the 19th. Home on the 20th. Holiday Inn Express in Hurricane, WN on the 21st. Super 8 in Lewisburg, WV on the 22. Days Inn in Washington DC on the 23-25th. It would be great meeting and spending time with any one on this net. For anyone who may not be familiar with Rolling Thunder or Run For The Wall, it is an annual run in remembrance of POW/MIA's from all wars. We wind up in Washington DC and the Sunday before Memorial Day we have a parade of several hundred thousand bikes past the White House to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Go to for more info. I will be hooking up with Karey in Ontario and hope to see some of you along the way. If not and I have any butt left I plan on making Atlanta in June. Love and Brotherhood Ron Paye
Ron Paye <>
Indy, IN USA - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 19:06:21 (MDT)
Hi Flight.... JW.. I recieved your email but my return to you bounced. I will book the room tonight and put it in my name so all you will have to do is ask for me.. Thanks.. Send me another email and I will see if that one bounces again.. Later.... Kal...
Kal Bergstrom <>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 15:40:08 (MDT)
For Kim LaVoie- Kim , on the gosh rider rooster ther is a "Jim LaVoie" from Milaca,Mn- I'm not sure on the spelling. Any relation ??
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, TX USA - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 09:43:39 (MDT)
Good Morning Cobras & Bulldogs. Hey Alvis thanks. So Judith you've got A "Haunted Story"? I was in Maintenance Platoon from appx June '71 thru Dec of '71. I did fly in one or two occaisons to firebase "sarge" & "Fuller". FB Fuller had a nasty LZ - it had a "very" limited clearance for the rotor blades to clear. If I recall it was north of the "rockpile". E'nuff already. Let me in on the haunted Story. The Ghost Riders do have a page but it's only accessible to prior members. I just recently got access to the web page. I have no idea why. Other pilots & crewmembers can't " check out the Web Site. Their format is not like the 129th.
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, Tx USA - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 09:30:56 (MDT)

While I was cleaning up and archiving the Flight Log I found that someone posted as me on April 30th. The post follows:


This person may have had good intentions but I hope most of the flight log readers figured this was not from anyone directly related to this site. Besides being in all caps, there is no executive board and there is no actual association. I have posted in the past regarding the removal of posts but I don't think it need to be repeated. The people that post things that are subject to removal know that before they hit the submit button and yet they still do it. Since this is an open forum we have no control over this and impersonating me or anyone else on this forum will only make matters worse, not better. With that I will hint that a more closed system may be in order to prevent the spam and try to circumvents some of the inappropriate posts.
David Steinbrunner <>
OH USA - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 21:43:26 (MDT)

Freds, I also lived in Manitou for about the last year of my time. I love the Gold Camp Road over to Cripple Creek... beautiful! Guess I'm partial, but I love Colorado, too. Fred A. Which unit were you with at Ft. Carson? I was with HHT 1/10 Cavalry, 4th Infantry Division (Buffalo Soldiers). The army thought I'd make a good MP, but I told them "No, thanks". So Uncle Sam had me fixing his tanks, tracks, gamma goats, and jeeps after Nam. Always wished I'd gotten into either D Troop (Hueys) or the horse platoon of HHT...
Dave Powers
USA - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 16:26:10 (MDT)
The Motorcycle Song...Alice`s Restaurant.......wasn`t someone trying to get out of the draft in that movie? Yea....war protesters were not to vocal in Ohio after Kent State, they kinda gave it second thoughts. Gov. Jimmy Rhoads didn`t play that stuff......Tin Soldiers and Nixon`s Coming.....We`re Finally On Our Own.....This Summer I Hear The Drumming....... Four Dead In Ohio...... Crosby,Stills,Nash& Young...1970
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 15:55:09 (MDT)
Alvis, that song "I don't want a nickle etc. was written and sung by Arlo Guthrie. Alice's Restaurant. Any body remember a song we used to sing, went like this "My name is Joe Small, and I've only got one ball,etc ? Anyhow, been reading about coming home. My return almost landed me in jail. I don't remember anything about a steak dinner. Anyhow, got off the plane in Ft. Lewis and was told I didn't have a flight home to Buffalo, N.Y. I had a reservation and wanted to know why. They said it was an "unconfirmed reservation." What the hell is an unconfirmed reservation? To this day I still don't know but I was told I had to wait 5 more days b 4 I could go home. I was REALLY pissed off. Had to find a motel or something 'till then. Keep in mind I'm at the Seattle Airport and I had an SKS slung over my shoulder and wearing my "greens". (this was b4 heavy airport security) As I'm walking out the door there was a whole bunch of anti-war protesters. I decided to ignore those clowns and try to catch a cab but alas, that was not to be. As I'm walking out, one of them tried to stop me and give some of his literature. Told him I wasn't interested and to fuck off. Tried to leave and the jerk grabs my arm and tries to keep talkin to me. Told him if he touched me again he'll pull back a stump. Turned around to leave and the jerk grabs my shoulder and say's "wait. I'm not done talkin' to you yet". At this point I lost it. I unslung the SKS and took a swing at him with it. Man, if I had connected I'd have taken his head off. Now we're off with me in hot pursuit of this guy thru the terminal. He's screaming bloody murder and I'm hot on his ass swingin that SKS. Out of nowwhere I get body tackled by aboput 3 or 4 security guys. Now I'm on my face on the floor with these guys sitting on me. As it worked out, one of them was a retired Master Sargeant. He calmed me down and took me to the VIP lounge where he explained the facts of life in as much as the applied to being back in "the world". Once he felt it was safe, he let me go. As I walked out of the terminal, those goof balls were still out there but this time they got REAL quiet when I walked out. As I passed the guy I was chasing I suddenly turned and went "BOO!" Shoulda seen him jump. Laughed my ass off about that and felt much better. Got home in one piece 4 days later. Clear right, turning final. Scooter out.
Larry Kwiatkowski <>
Simi Valley, Ca USA - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 14:54:44 (MDT)
Fred(Susan's husband)...what a beautiful story---what a beautiful brotherhood. Always-Gently
Genmtly <>
Peace, USA - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 11:03:00 (MDT)
went to cripple creek lots. After a rain you could walk the dirt streets and where they filled pot holes and stuff, u could find tourqouise.they used old mine traling to do that.Yes fred, i used to go up rampart range road to go 4 wheeling in my 47 jeep.Knew a back way into williams canyon..where the cliff dwelling where. we used to go splunking back in there.I learned not to smoke pot inside a cave..gave me the creeps.Above manitou springs was ute pass, nice but well traveled. we liked to go to cripple creek using cheyene canyon, passing thur the old train tunnels.dang good deer hunting up there. Thats also where i stopped hunting for deer. just to pretty to shoot. funny story about c springs. when i was discharged, i took alittle time b4 hunting work. On a whim, I stopped at a beer distributor.was on a triump trophy 500 cc (nice bike).walked in, applied and didnt have any hope of work there,as i smelled of gas and oil,longish hair and yes, a nam vet.on the way out, the guy that ran the place started talking to me.didnt know who he was ,we just talked.told him i was a door gunner.older kinda guy,real nice fella. anyway, he said son, come back tommorow, you have a job. found out the only reason he did hire me was cause i was a door gunner/crew chief. you see, he was a retired bomber pilot from ww2,europe theather. flew flying fortresses and had lost many friends as well as gunners. smile, that was my first encounter with the brotherhood of the wing or arms..whatever its called.There is a special place in heaven for that man, perhaps for all combat aircraft crewmen
USA - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 07:05:40 (MDT)
Manitou Springs...The Garden of the Gods, was that rock formation there? My ex-inlaws lived behind the Broadmoor Hotel right below the Will Rodgers Shrine. I lived in Pueblo West, I worked at Lamplighter Industries in Fountain( set-up and landscaped double-wide mobile homes) while I was in college. I`m alumni of University of Southern Colorado in Pueblo. I did my Internship at Colorado State Prison in Canon City. ever go up to Cripple Creek? I use to cut off U.S.50 west and north up thru Phanthom Canyon, I think it was called. Then you would come out in Manitou Springs. Nice drive on gravel roads back then. Back then they wasn`t to crazy about us eastern folks.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 23:19:12 (MDT)
bruno, gently sent me a really nice story about your ghostriders. perhaps she still has it and can send it to you. My ghostriders was the 60th ahc, betwen nha trang and tuy hoa.Cant remember anyone named louden tho. hey Dave, i too was sent to carson.I was out in the mule barn area.lived in manitou springs for years after..loved that place, colorado i mean.spent all my time up in the mountians there.had some good times there, in the four or 5 years i spent there, i only went to jail twice.Pretty good for the shape i was in. damn jw, missed ur call. seems i always am a day early or late . Time just doesnt have much meaning anymore..isnt enough of it.old man once told me that as u get older, nothing changes,time just goes by faster. seems time i go to pop top, i will take susans digital camera. will e mail those that want to see it. i will make sure i take a pic for jim of his chicken plate hanging on the wall.When susan walked in, it blew her away. hey, i found a rok site of the white horse and tiger divisions. Mark..would u want a tiger patch for the wall?
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 22:48:05 (MDT)
Kal, you couldn't have said it better. You, Gale Mark & Dee really make a person feel wanted. I think all of the guys in the 129th as brothers and in some ways you guys are closer to me than my real brother. Mark, thanks for the 129th site where we all communicate, and also thank you and Dee for your generous hospitality and warm hearts. If any one out there has not had the chance to visit at the POP A TOP I feel sorry, for you have missed out. Kal it was good seeing you again, Gale you are going to have to bring Debby again and Fred I am sorry I missed you and Susan. I hope to see everyone in Alanta this year, You know we can't have a bad showing for our president, thought I forgot you didn't you Alex. Again Mark & Dee THANKS Rainer & Dee
Rainer Bauer <>
Indy, USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 20:27:21 (MDT)
Hi flight, It was good to talk to Mark, Kal, and Gale on phone. Glad everyone had a good time at Mark's and had a safe trip back home.
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 20:22:34 (MDT)
WOW... Another fine mini at the Pop-a-top!!.. A few years ago I never would have thought that I'd be doing things like I did last weekend. Life was a bit "hum drum" and just moving on. Then!!.. I found Marks 129 page and met up with a bunch that has evolved into something that has sort or changed my life. I had never thought I'd link up or want to get involved with the past as having supressed those memories for so long. Now I find myself looking forward to our getting together and finding how refreshing it makes me feel. I feel like I have a long lost familey. It sure was nice seeing our "large" group last weekend and I hope to see a lot more of you at Atlants. My bike ride down and back was a little cool for the first few miles but being dressed for it made it great. The bike is made for the road, and I am looking forward to the ride to Atlanta!!.. Rainer and Dee, it was great to see you again, Same to you Fred and Susan. Mark and Dee were Great hosts and Gale and I had really nice beds for the night, THANKS!!.. I didn't have a chance to post last night as I had to shower and get out to the college as soon as I could to save some seats for the graduation. My daughter got her degree and is a RN now. Made me proud!!.. Got back home just in time to change and get to work. I will say it again... I am looking to share a room at Atlanta.. Any takers? Or I will have to put "share a room" on my application...??? Take care.... C U L8r.... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom <>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 18:41:44 (MDT)
I have to tell you about Rick "Rebel" Smith's return home... he told me this over the phone, and I laughed pretty hard! His trip home was a lot like mine, but when he got to the mess hall in Ft. Lewis the Dolphins were playing in the Super Bowl on TV. His then-girl friend (now wife) Barb was captain of the Dolphins' cheerleading squad. He was watching the game on the tube in the mess hall and saw Barb on TV! He turned around to tell some guys he was sitting with, "That's my girl, the cheerleader!"... as you can imagine, they all thought he was crazy! True story...
Dave Powers
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 16:22:38 (MDT)
My return home (1-72): Lane to Cam Rahn Bay, stayed there 2 days waiting for my name to show up on the manifest. Then C130 to Da Nang... processed out, got to the end of the line and was told I needed a haircut! Went to the back of the line after my visit with Cheap Charlie's Barber Shop. Got on a Braniff Int'l. bird to Okinawa then to McCord. Ft. Lewis for my "Welcome Home Steak". Short flight to Eugene, Oregon where the parents picked me up. Lay awake for several nights and slept days (jet lag). Froze my butt off! Next stop after the 30 day leave was Ft. Carson, Colorado for 15 months.
Dave Powers
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 16:16:27 (MDT)
Good Morning Flight, just copying the mail in the log. Prior to being assigned I was assigned to A Co 158th Avn Bn & the call sign was Ghost Riders. The unit was @ Camp Evans in I corp. The 101st stood down in Dec of '72. There are a couple of ex puking buzzard that got resassinged to the 129th- Sp/5 Joe H Flores, was as "T.I" with the 129th. Sp/5 Bruce Louden I believe went to the 60th. I dont have any regrets getting out of I corp.
Bruno E Sanchez <>
Laredo, Tx USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 11:12:54 (MDT)
lets go bomb the heck out of nord afrika. aim to the left, cause they sure are windy. hi ya gently. No ma'am, i wasnt part of that unit. that unit was with the 1o1st. I was with 60th assault after 129th. I never took americans out on combat assaults. I did however, once take a lerp team. never did hear if they made it back. was inland from camhron bay,deep dark forest , near the mountians.reminded me why i chose to fly instead of walk. thank you tho for the thought, it was of great intrest i read that frist i did indeed think it was my unit.
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 10:06:51 (MDT)
Inverted Totalitarianism>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The war on Iraq has so monopolized public attention as to obscure the regime change taking place in the Homeland. We may have invaded Iraq to bring in democracy and bring down a totalitarian regime, but in the process our own system may be moving closer to the latter and further weakening the former. The change has been intimated by the sudden popularity of two political terms rarely applied earlier to the American political system. "Empire" and "superpower" both suggest that a new system of power, concentrated and expansive, has come into existence and supplanted the old terms. "Empire" and "superpower" accurately symbolize the projection of American power abroad, but for that reason they obscure the internal consequences. Consider how odd it would sound if we were to refer to "the Constitution of the American Empire" or "superpower democracy." The reason they ring false is that "constitution" signifies limitations on power, while "democracy" commonly refers to the active involvement of citizens with their government and the responsiveness of government to its citizens. For their part, "empire" and "superpower" stand for the surpassing of limits and the dwarfing of the citizenry. The increasing power of the state and the declining power of institutions intended to control it has been in the making for some time. The party system is a notorious example. The Republicans have emerged as a unique phenomenon in American history of a fervently doctrinal party, zealous, ruthless, antidemocratic and boasting a near majority. As Republicans have become more ideologically intolerant, the Democrats have shrugged off the liberal label and their critical reform-minded constituencies to embrace centrism and footnote the end of ideology. In ceasing to be a genuine opposition party the Democrats have smoothed the road to power of a party more than eager to use it to promote empire abroad and corporate power at home. Bear in mind that a ruthless, ideologically driven party with a mass base was a crucial element in all of the twentieth-century regimes seeking total power. Representative institutions no longer represent voters. Instead, they have been short-circuited, steadily corrupted by an institutionalized system of bribery that renders them responsive to powerful interest groups whose constituencies are the major corporations and wealthiest Americans. The courts, in turn, when they are not increasingly handmaidens of corporate power, are consistently deferential to the claims of national security. Elections have become heavily subsidized non-events that typically attract at best merely half of an electorate whose information about foreign and domestic politics is filtered through corporate-dominated media. Citizens are manipulated into a nervous state by the media's reports of rampant crime and terrorist networks, by thinly veiled threats of the Attorney General and by their own fears about unemployment. What is crucially important here is not only the expansion of governmental power but the inevitable discrediting of constitutional limitations and institutional processes that discourages the citizenry and leaves them politically apathetic. No doubt these remarks will be dismissed by some as alarmist, but I want to go further and name the emergent political system "inverted totalitarianism." By inverted I mean that while the current system and its operatives share with Nazism the aspiration toward unlimited power and aggressive expansionism, their methods and actions seem upside down. For example, in Weimar Germany, before the Nazis took power, the "streets" were dominated by totalitarian-oriented gangs of toughs, and whatever there was of democracy was confined to the government. In the United States, however, it is the streets where democracy is most alive--while the real danger lies with an increasingly unbridled government. Or another example of the inversion: Under Nazi rule there was never any doubt about "big business" being subordinated to the political regime. In the United States, however, it has been apparent for decades that corporate power has become so predominant in the political establishment, particularly in the Republican Party, and so dominant in its influence over policy, as to suggest a role inversion the exact opposite of the Nazis'. At the same time, it is corporate power, as the representative of the dynamic of capitalism and of the ever-expanding power made available by the integration of science and technology with the structure of capitalism, that produces the totalizing drive that, under the Nazis, was supplied by ideological notions such as Lebensraum. In rebuttal it will be said that there is no domestic equivalent to the Nazi regime of torture, concentration camps or other instruments of terror. But we should remember that for the most part, Nazi terror was not applied to the population generally; rather, the aim was to promote a certain type of shadowy fear--rumors of torture--that would aid in managing and manipulating the populace. Stated positively, the Nazis wanted a mobilized society eager to support endless warfare, expansion and sacrifice for the nation. While the Nazi totalitarianism strove to give the masses a sense of collective power and strength, Kraft durch Freude ("Strength through joy"), inverted totalitarianism promotes a sense of weakness, of collective futility. While the Nazis wanted a continuously mobilized society that would not only support the regime without complaint and enthusiastically vote "yes" at the periodic plebiscites, inverted totalitarianism wants a politically demobilized society that hardly votes at all. Recall the President's words immediately after the horrendous events of September 11: "Unite, consume and fly," he told the anxious citizenry. Having assimilated terrorism to a "war," he avoided doing what democratic leaders customarily do during wartime: mobilize the citizenry, warn it of impending sacrifices and exhort all citizens to join the "war effort." Instead, inverted totalitarianism has its own means of promoting generalized fear; not only by sudden "alerts" and periodic announcements about recently discovered terrorist cells or the arrest of shadowy figures or the publicized heavy-handed treatment of aliens and the Devil's Island that is Guantánamo Bay or the sudden fascination with interrogation methods that employ or border on torture, but by a pervasive atmosphere of fear abetted by a corporate economy of ruthless downsizing, withdrawal or reduction of pension and health benefits; a corporate political system that relentlessly threatens to privatize Social Security and the modest health benefits available, especially to the poor. With such instrumentalities for promoting uncertainty and dependence, it is almost overkill for inverted totalitarianism to employ a system of criminal justice that is punitive in the extreme, relishes the death penalty and is consistently biased against the powerless. Thus the elements are in place: a weak legislative body, a legal system that is both compliant and repressive, a party system in which one party, whether in opposition or in the majority, is bent upon reconstituting the existing system so as to permanently favor a ruling class of the wealthy, the well-connected and the corporate, while leaving the poorer citizens with a sense of helplessness and political despair, and, at the same time, keeping the middle classes dangling between fear of unemployment and expectations of fantastic rewards once the new economy recovers. That scheme is abetted by a sycophantic and increasingly concentrated media; by the integration of universities with their corporate benefactors; by a propaganda machine institutionalized in well-funded think tanks and conservative foundations; by the increasingly closer cooperation between local police and national law enforcement agencies aimed at identifying terrorists, suspicious aliens and domestic dissidents. What is at stake, then, is nothing less than the attempted transformation of a tolerably free society into a variant of the extreme regimes of the past century. In that context, the national elections of 2004 represent a crisis in its original meaning, a turning point. The question for citizens is: Which way?
Wim Pannekoek <>
Nord Afrika - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 09:38:58 (MDT)
Gale I didn't hear anything about the tornado. Where was it? I also hope that everyone is ok. Please be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 08:55:30 (MDT)
I also wanted to say. I pray that all 129th brothers, sisters and families survived the tornado onslaught over the week end. Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 08:10:41 (MDT)
Gently, we all wish more of you could have been there too. We did our best to represent the 129th for Susan, but, come on........Mark, Kal & me???? At least we got a few smiles out of her. She's already trimmed Fred's beard....I don't what's in store for him next!? :o))) Alvis, you guys should've came back to Mark & Dee's house. Rainer & Dee were waiting for us there and we all had a good visit. Later, Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 08:07:26 (MDT)
Sounds like the Pop-a-Top vist was fun....Rick, are you as mad as I am that we couldn't join the "gang?" Atlanta is just not coming fast enough. Fred, glad Sue is feeling more comfortable now, having met some of the will help prepare her for the mighty Atlanta re-union. Thank you for asking about my father-he's doing well. You never did answer my question about the "Ghost Riders?" Were you one of them? Max, nice to hear from you! Hugs to the four leggers from me. Raining here today, just like being in Seattle!!! My favorite weather! Always there-Gently
Gently <>
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 07:52:11 (MDT)
anyone remember that song ...i dont want a pickle, just want to ride my motercycle..the other day i saw mike..he was on his bike. I dont want a nickle, just want to ride my bike. was on the wood stock album i think.
USA - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 07:42:09 (MDT)
Glad you all had a good time at the pop a top. It's good when we have a get together. If we are not there in body we are in there with sprit. I can picture it when we all can be there. Just can't wait for the reunion at Atlanta. The temps here are in the mid 80s and gas prices are down to 1.75.9. flight be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 17:18:32 (MDT)
Flight, Had a great trip to the "Pop A Top". Mark & Dee are fine. They were their usual, cordial & loving. Rainer & Dee, Fred & Susan, Kal Bergstrom, it was good seeing you all again and enjoyed visiting with you. Also got to see two beautiful bikes. Kals & Marks. Awesome machines!!! J.W., good talking to you on the called Marks at the right time. I'm clear, Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 16:26:02 (MDT)
WOW... I missed that steak dinner also...wasn`t offered one. I find it a bit ironic that no one was of age to drink legal. Tell you what...they didn`t even sew my patches on for me and gave me that cheap "basic training issue" brass to wear home. I didn`t even have orders to where I was going to spend my last 9 months in the army at. I had to go to Lockborne AF Base to pick them up. When I got to Germany, my First Sargent ask about patches and medals, I told him the story and he lost it. He sent me to the tailor and had everything sewed on for me and got all my medals and flight wings. Then when I got my fatigues issued, The First Sargent had the tailor sew on all my patches and stuff like that,all at the goverments expense. Top was a good guy. My mother owned a bar and with all the guys coming home from the war, her policy was, If they can fight a war....they are old enough to drink!!!!!!! Of course the "vice squad" never bothered her, they didn`t want to lose their "free lunches and dinners" that they ate at my mom`s place!!!!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 11:35:01 (MDT)
STREET, MD USA - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 10:56:38 (MDT)
gently? is your headache? toasted one for u and joe..and all the others.Was just sue and I in the pop a there late , had the place to ourselves,which was good cause i got to show her around and explained items hanging everywhere,without easedroppers.Chuckle, yes Jim, she saw ur chicken plate.She was impressed with the non-discript,clean little white corner,neighbor hood bar.Walked inside and surprised her with the place.I truely urge who that havent been to drop by there.beers cold and welcomes are very warm.Mark and all had left to catch dinner and thats where we caught up with them. Good to see u guys again,see u in atlanta.Also got to show off my new deck of army "saddam" cards.Gemtly, how is ur dad doing? nice stang .Made me think how i need a new toy also.good looking car.
USA - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 08:28:33 (MDT)
wasnt any steak dinner for us for some reason. just ..get of the plane and gothru customs and be quiet.
USA - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 08:15:49 (MDT)
been reading about everyone's homecoming. mine was not a lot different. Sea/Tac to Lewis got in about 3:AM supposed to sleep till 5:00 ( yea right ) had steak breakfast etc. then flew to LAX for my connecting flight to PHX and missed it due to head winds. I ran into another Guy in the airport and as we were talking I found he was at Lane too. he was in the chinook outfit over the hill from us. what is strange about this meeting is: we came home on the same flight, came from Seatle on the same plane, as we talked more I found out we were in 4th, 5th, and 6th, grades together in Tucson. talk about a small world. anyway we thought it would be nice to sit and relax with a beer so we went into a lounge, sat at the bar and was told I couldn't have a beer cause I was only 20, I told the guy "OK I'll have a coke " he says Not at the bar, you have to sit at a table you can't sit at the bar. by this time I was getting a little hot under the collar but I kept my cool and sat at a table. it didn't take us long to finish our drinks and leave. we were both kinda upset. I have seen Rick Schearb twice since we came home. (short version) LOL Later, Don
Don Miller
USA - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 22:38:50 (MDT)
Well my first our ended 11/66. we came back to Travis and flew back to Clevland Ohio from San Francisco. At the San Francisco airport, one of the guys seen this shapley blone at the ticket counter. When he went up bhind and gave a pat on the butt! the surprise on all our faces when this guy turned around. The killer was landing in Cleveland, temp was about 0!! the second time coming home was about the same. Coming through fort Lewis. Having a steak dinner while our Greens were being altered so we would sharp. Left Seattle and head for Dayton, Ohio for a couple days of partying with Jim Hardy before heading home to Barberton, Ohio. Of coarse both times , never got any warm welcomes or Thanks!! I am glad that the people of our great country and the president is welcoming them home. Take Care Bro"s See you in Atlanta. Plane fares are cheap. Alex
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Memphis, Tn USA - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 07:47:11 (MDT)
USA - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 04:28:25 (MDT)
Fred it didn't change at all when I came home in Jan 69 till 72 when you came home or was it later? I did the McCord to Lewis. flight be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 21:03:51 (MDT)
Got my own "welcome back" story (kinda funny): After 18 months in RVN, flew in to Seattle, where I got a great steak dinner at the mess-hall while waiting for a new set of greens to be tailored, along with all the patches and ribbons. Took a bus down to Portland, OR (my home), and dropped in a bar outside the Greyhound station while waiting for the next local bus to my part of town. Ordered a beer. Bartender said, "Wow, Sargeant, that's quite a load of medals; what's that one?" After I told him, he asked about another (ribbon). This went on for a bit, then I asked again for my beer. He said, "Look, I'm sorry, but you don't look old enough." Sure enough, I was only twenty, so had to leave the bar dry. Oh well, fresh milk tasted pretty good, anyway....
Max Whittington
USA - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 20:52:33 (MDT)
same here fred. flew into san fran..spent the night in the airport ,alone and cold,waiting on flight to georgia.was kinda pissed about how i was treated by, not there,tho thaT WAS SHABBY TOO.MUST HAVE GOTTEN A MILK RUN FLIGHT CAUSE IT stopped at every town it seems. dont think anyone spoke to me the whole trip,got to columbus ga. on last flight into town,about 2 next morning. took a cab home.woke up mom and dad. next day i had to go bar hopping to find my girl,,she had turned into the town hump. spoke about 20 minutes with her,while her "date" waited ,not daring to interupt cause he might not get laid and i was fresh back and u know what reps we were saddled, after first 15 minutes of thaT EVENING OF FIRST NIGHT BACK
USA - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 16:15:27 (MDT)
I was watching the TV today viewing the young soldiers come home from the war. That`s really great all the support they have coming home. My wife was home for lunch and watching also. She said to me, "Was that really nice to come home like that"? I just looked at her and said,"We didn`t come home like that". She said,"Wasn`t there a reception of some type"? I said," Nope'. We just got on a plane in Cam Rahn Bay, flew to McCord AFB in Seattle,Washington. We then took a bus to Fort Lewis, got some "dress greens" and took a cab to Seattle Airport, got a plane ticket to Columbus, Ohio. Arrived in Columbus and got a cab home. That was it......
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 13:40:37 (MDT)
I was watching the TV today viewing the young soldiers come home from the war. That`s really great all the support they have coming home. My wife was home for lunch and watching also. She said to me, "Was that really nice to come like that"? I just looked at her and said,"We didn`t come home like that". She said,"Wasn`t there a reception of some type"? I said," Nope'. We just got on a plane in Cam Rahn Bay, flew to McCord AFB in Seattle,Washington. We then took a bus to Fort Lewis, got some "dress greens" and took a cab to Seattle Airport, got a plane ticket to Columbus, Ohio. Arrived in Columbus and got a cab home. That was it......
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 13:37:57 (MDT)
Hello flight. Been a while since I posted, too. All the war stuff kind of got to me, so I've backed away from anything to do with war/Viet Nam/etc. Lots of interesting nightmares, once again, but no wife anymore to nudge me awake (the cats just sigh and shift to another part of the bed — grin). Also, just bought a mobile home and managed to screw my back up royally during the move; doc thinks probably a ruptured disk, but nothing to do about it except take it easy for awhile (yeah, right!). Sitting at the computer gets a bit painful, after awhile. Have been checking in and reading posts every couple of days. Wish I was closer to Atlanta, so I could be sure to get there. Took a load of clothes to the VA Hospital, yesterday (a good thing to do, by the way — ask for the volunteers' office), and it was very, very crowded there — lots of guys our age in pretty sad shape. Saw the Prez land on the carrier, yesterday — great stuff! Clear right... Max
Max Whittington
Oregon USA - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 07:15:25 (MDT)
Greetings Flight!! It's been awhile since I posted anything and since I haven't heard from or seen B Winkler lately. I need to pass on some thoughts. Due to scheduling conflicts and the fact I almost forgot to schedule my son's graduation from Troy State next week, I won't be able to make Atlanta. I will try for a detour to Coldwater on the way back from Michigan in July. The reason I decided to take some time is because of a disturbing situation i was placed in earlier this week. I was contacted by email by some one from my distant past. was told she got my email from So I decided to check it out. Lo and behold if you put your name or any way you sign into the flight log in quotation marks it will give you a listing sometimes several pages long of where you are on the web (Such as our contacts pages). So my friends take it for what it is worth and be safe out there. My thoughts are with you.
Dennis Fuerstenau
FL USA - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 17:57:24 (MDT)
will be at pop a top, might be alittle late tho, not sure yet....trying to work it in with the boss to get of early or trade days off for saterday. Mark, question...... I dont know the law in ohio....can i bring susans 18 yo daughter if we, they, sit at the tables and not at the bar?As i dont want to put you in a spot, she will of course only drink soft drinks.What is the legal age in ohio? Will leave her home if we have to, just need to know to make plans . Holtz, welcome home. moment of silence and a prayer has been done. can hear the rACE
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indy, in USA - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 16:56:55 (MDT)
STREET, MD USA - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 08:19:04 (MDT)
Good morning all. Bernie, I read your posts to Tom and Claud at and want to personally thank you. Joe and I visited Tom's gravesite on Sunday, placed some flags on it, and paused to ponder on the warm green grass covering the site. We said hello from the 129AHC, felt peace(tears) and departed. Katherine, there is a recent post at that web site for Mike Shanley, from a man who also wore his bracelet. You might want to make contact. To those of you trucking to the Pop-a-Top this weekend, give Mark and Dee a hug from us, have a couple of beers, and get home safely. Please. Joe and I are there in spirit(maybe I'll send a picture of us for you to place on a chair) :>))) To Ron Paye and Curt Claussen, you two be careful riding in those mountains out west. Dog bite??? Pretty funny Rick. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
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USA - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 07:10:27 (MDT)