It's too bad we have to be in a "vegetative state" to get the gov't involved in our health care. Greg
Pahoa, HI USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 22:23:44 (MST)
Terri took 14 days to die.In the upcomming pathology report,the doc will state wheather Teri knew anything or not,if she felt anything or not.While agreeing to the fact that there are many good reasons for pulling the plug,I await the results on this one.The husband shouldnt have tossed out her family during her last dieing moments.They couldnt have said goodby together?My living will states that I want the plug pulled on me,if and when,I ever get like that.I just hope it doesnt take me 14 days to die.
USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 19:52:42 (MST)
Evening flight.........Robbie R. I got your e-mail and sent one out to you tonight. Sorry bout that brother...........this Terri S. feeding tube thing has really confused me a lot. My wife takes care of kids in her school that need to be tube fed and will never be out of the prone position in their lives and nobody is starving them to death. I know that spouses have the say so, but why did her X wait so long to make a stink about it, and what diference did it make to him anyways? What did he have to gain? Terri had no hold on his life any more. Seems he was doing what he damb well pleased to do anyways. I dont know.......I really am confused about all aspects of the whole thing and dont understand it all. All the court stuff and the Gov. involvement. I am not knowledgeable enough about that stuff to understand it all.................my Pop always said that if he ever got that way to just hit him over the head with a ball bat. Guess you could say I did the next best thing back in November of last year. Like Kim, and probably many other of you all, I was the one that gave the order to let Pop go.........I sometimes still wonder about whether I gave him all the chance I could of or not...........always a brother..................
USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 19:35:28 (MST)
well said kim.death is not a nice option,(and i saw enough of it)but some times it is necessary. paul
oglesby, il USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 18:45:31 (MST)
Of all the things I've done in my life, the hardest had to be agreeing to pull the plug on my father in 89, and my mom in 99. We only know what the media circus wants to let us know, along with the religeous right. We'll probably never know the real story. Bottom line is, as spouses, we have the primary say in what happens to our significant others in these situations. Question: what is it about this instance that makes the so called "conservative" folks so interested? It's not as if this sort of thing has never happened before. I need asshole delay and boy georgie to make these decisions for me about as bad as I need those idiots to fix social security!!!
Livermore, Me USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 18:09:11 (MST)
ok flight,get your socks rolled up and ready to throw at the tv.Hanio Jane Fonda will be appearing on 60 minutes this sunday,april 3.
USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 14:00:40 (MST)
Rainer.....I'll carry that cooler. Gale, Fred, Kal and Ron will not be any shape, you know that. You two will be greatly missed at the re-union, but it's time to take care of that problem. You are now officially on the 129th prayer list. Did everyone get the photo of our own John Dillman in Iraq? He signed his email to me "Bud the Stud"....there must be some pretty good stories behind that tag. Anyone for sharing? With a wink-Gently
USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 13:12:23 (MST)
Well flight,Terri Sharavo"s flight thru life is over.rip.May her husband rot in hell.
USA - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 11:12:45 (MST)
Evening flight, Fred just looking over some of my old military papers, and found of copy of orders for Army Com. Medal, with your name at the bottom, find anything in NJ yet.
Dover, De USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 20:34:15 (MST)
I have been worried about Rainer ever since he told me about his health problem. I feel better that he is taking care of it as soon as possible. There's always other reunions. 30 years ago the end of the Vietnam war. This Nov. will mark 40 years ago that Rainer,Glenn Pearmain and myself was in Vietnam. Some extended and I came back for a second tour. I feel honored to be able to servr with two Brothers. I crossed paths with some Honorable men such as Kal, Jim Hydinger, Max Whitington, Rick and many more. I am proud to be associated with all the 129th Family. Never in my wildest dreams I thought 40 years after Vietnam i would be here on this Flight log. May the Lord bless all of you and your families. Always A brother Alex
Collierville, TN USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 18:50:18 (MST)
let us know where your gonna be rainer, might scare a few nurses with my ugly face when i come vist you.
USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 18:19:43 (MST)
Rainer, sorry that you & Dee won't make it, but, maybe you'll be in better shape after the surgery. I'm sure you will make an "appearance" at Kokomo.........just remember to come and get us to carry your cooler!!;o) Gale
USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 16:32:17 (MST)
Rainer, sorry that you & Dee won't make it, but, maybe you'll be in better shape after the surgery. I'm sure you will make an
USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 16:31:57 (MST)
Rainer, sorry that you & Dee won't make it, but, maybe you'll be in better shape after the surgery. I'm sure you will make an
USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 16:31:29 (MST)
Flight, As Alex said I won’t be going to San Antonio this year. I have two doctors trying to see which one can make the biggest cut, one from groin to chest the other from chest to neck, I think they should put in a zipper. I have been trying to put this off until after the reunion but the chest doctor says sometime around June 1st. So too all you guys that are going, enjoy yourselves and take plenty of pictures.
Indy, USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 15:08:01 (MST)
grrrrr,crs. Just like my last heart exam. the nurse looked up at me smiling,said..thanks for being on time,Mr. Alvis,right day,right time,wrong month.
USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 10:58:18 (MST)
Wasn't it April 30, 1975, Fred?
USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 07:12:18 (MST)
32 years ago,on this day,the last American troops were pulled out of Vietnam,ending American involvement in the Vietnam war.Over 58,000 of our brothers , fathers, sons, husbands, and wivies lost their lives on that bloody battleground.I constantly hear the term " we lost that war".To those people,I have this to say.No,you lost the war,if indeed,the word "lost" can even be used concering American involvement.South Vietnam struggled on for two more years before losing their freedom.America's military won the battles,cilivans lost the war.Ho Chi Minhs memiors are full of referances applying that statement.He also states that after "tet of 72",they (nva) were throughly beaten and would take years to recover.There was even talk amoung the NVA of ending (read that surrendering) their struggle against the south.Whenever I hear the statement.."our boys died for nothing",my heart cringies,my temper gets raised a bit and I ask myself,"just how ignorant can people be,even after all these years"? Yet,I find it a difficult question to answer.There are so many "levels" to address an answer to,levels people cant understand unless they were there,even some levels combat vets, of other wars, cannot understand.Its more than the "profound" brotherhood that exist between friends in combat troops of a unit,or of an army.Its more than a simple "they answered to their flag and its bugle call". Its more than "it was the right thing to do" or "supporting our way of life,our country,our morals.Morer than curiosicy and adventure of a young man to find out what war is like and how his inner self wil react.I fear I cannot explaine why I feel "america" didnt lose nor why those brothers and sisters that died,died for a reason.I just know,I feel with my complete heart,that deep inside,I know the reasons.I hold their sacrifice in the highest and brightest light of moral inturpitude,bravery,friendship and courage.They are the real unsung hero's of our generation.My resting brothers and sisters,I salute you today and everday,you are NOT forgotten.
USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 05:48:35 (MST)
Well gang....it's fund raising time. Our christmas fund has been doled out as necessary per the Christmas Fund committee. You should all be very proud of yourselves, you have made some brothers and sisters smile. Thank you all for your suggestions, you truly are a wonderful family. :>)) Time to talk cash: I was given a large, beautiful, 129th flag to use in the raffle for Christmas 2005, but the Committee feels we should raise some funds now. The flag is a black background with the 129th patch on one side of it....quite a beaut! The bids will start at $60, and we'll raffle it off until we leave for the re-union. Let's go...and remember, your bid can remain a secret if you wish it to be, just let me know. What a great gift:>))) especially for those of you who don't know what to get the 129th Vet who has everything..well.. will have everything when he gets the flag:>)). Of course, that is not to say it wouldn't look hot on the back of a bike driven by some of us hot 129th chicks:>) With a wink-Gently
USA - Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 14:27:57 (MST)
Rick ,,sorry I didnt call will try tomorrow, Wednesday, Looks like more and more are doing the NSN thing. I am pretty sure that I have that stuff but just dont know how to work it. Puter dummy here, dontchano!!!!;-)))......anybody recall the ship "497" that Kirby is talking about?????......or anything about any ships that were in the 129th at that time?.....sorry to hear that rainer and Dee wont be in TX......always a brother
USA - Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 09:20:10 (MST)
Hi All, Anyone have information on 64-13497 "in country" from 10/66 to 10/67 looking for crew and photos/history. it is going to Lee County Sheriff's Office. we want to dedicate the ship back to them and the unit. Thanks.
Kirby Bradford <KBradf5575@aol.com>
Ft. Myers, Fl USA - Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 08:14:18 (MST)
Hello Everyone. Not to much been going on with me. My grandpa has been sick. My mom is going to have surgery in April for carpel tunnel. She might have to have surgery on her neck/back as well. Things could be better :o) I pray that everyone is doing well or better.
Amarillo, TX USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 22:16:32 (MST)
Hey Mark, Was looking forward to visiting with you today. Catch me anytime but Thursday. Will be in Amarillo at the VA. Take care.
USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 20:39:17 (MST)
CP, Kal, Robbie, It has been a pleasure catching you on line with MSN Messenger. We all may not have Web Cams, or our mics might not work right yet, but it is nice to catch whomever when they are on line. I have really enjoyed it. Hope more of the flight will join in as time goes by. It is nice to see what everyone looks like. Will catch ya all later. If anyone else wants to add me to their MSN contact list my info is RickardAllanJensen@hotmail.com. Take care and God Bless. God, Country, And Mom's Apple Pie.
USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 19:15:49 (MST)
Jim O. might be passing through around 8th or 9th of June . My son is getting married in Brunswick Ga. Looking forward to meeting all our new people at the reunion along with the old. Found that Rainer and Dee on't be making the reunion. This is due to some health problems that he need to get taken care of. Rainer and I went to Vietnam togetherin 65. Well hope you all had a Blessed Easter. Always A Brother Alex! By the way found a picture of the Vietnam Wall with stamps at the post office. their selling them for 49.99 had to have one.
USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 18:49:04 (MST)
Good evening all you Bite and Strikers!!..
Hey Jim O.. That reunion discription was the best!!.. Well said. And as I said at the Pop-a-Top last year, you are a pretty amazing guy!!..I sure am looking foreward to seeing you in San Antonio.. Alvis, I am sorry I missed you on the chat page the other day.. I stepped out fot a bit and you had come and gone when I got back.. Hope to be seeing you, and the rest of the 129th folks, there soon. One last thing.. I have downloaded and installed the MSN Messenger and it works pretty good. It, as Rick Jensen says, works well and makes it easy for us as a group to "chat" on line. I also have installed a "web cam" whice makes it nice to see who you are conversing with. Youall ought to check it out..
Well, time to go and check out the "chat mode".. B Cin U L8r... Kal....>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68 <n8auu (at) email dot com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 18:48:23 (MST)
Frank I'm glad i could be of help and i look forward to meeting you in Jun. One of the guys i work with lives in Midway, it's part of that small world thing. Just one beer Gale, heck I'd give a case just to see your smiling face,,long as i get to help put it away. I do so look forward each year to the reunion, the people are so special. Anyone know where i can get a 129th Co patch sew on type, i sure would like to have one.Take care Jim O
SAV, GA USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 15:24:59 (MST)
Happy Birthday Tom Shaw. Gently
USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 07:23:08 (MST)
Jim O, I can't wait either.....................I thinks you owe me a beer, :o)
USA - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 21:42:24 (MST)
Jim "Stickman", thanks for the info this gives Me a better idea of how it goes. That Formal Dinner Dance kinda had Me worried. See your Savanna address, got a Granddaughter living in Midway. Take care all. Happy Easter. Frank Sep69-Mar70.
Bastrop, La. USA - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 17:02:04 (MST)
Blessed Easter to all....Jim O. the "Stickman"........You have explained the reuinion as good as any of us could of. Lou, Congrats to you on your retirement and Jim. O has said it all about the gathering each year. Will be waiting to meet up with you there brother. We are the meaning of a true family when we get together, and yes, do come with open arms and heart.................I cant wait either......God Bless, always a brother...
USA - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 16:50:51 (MST)
Happy Easter everyone. God Bless all. Take care.
USA - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 11:29:07 (MST)
Congrats to Lous, now find or pick up that old hobbie and enjoy life as it was meant. I look forward to seeing you at the reunion, now that you might be able to find the time, ah someday. Frank, I'm not good with words written or spoken but i will try and answer a few of your questions from my view. Should you join the VHCMA, yes if you are elgible since you must be a crewmember. Not all the folks in the 129th are members but do not let that stop anyone from attending.We will have our own suite to have our little family reunion and most folks find they need not go anywhere. In the past there has always been plenty of beer, family and friends and even a dance partner. The formal dinner is not a black tie affair, that will turn you away if not dressed a certain way. The dinner is a way to honor folks who have contributed, and also to honor the memory of our fallen brothers, and familys members who need our prayes and support. I hope this gives you a bit of what to expect on the first. One other thing open your heart, for it is about to be filled with love and remembering,,,I can hardly wait. Jim
Sav, Ga. USA - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 10:14:45 (MST)
Someone mentioned that they might not want others know when they were online due to MSN messenger. That is fine. Just go to the tool bar and select tools/options and in the general tab check just the top item. Then whenever you are available or want others to know you are on line you start messenger manually by clicking on the icon. On my computer I have the first and third items checked so that I log on automatically when I start my computer since I am on cable internet and always online at startup. Please contact me if you have any questions or if you would like some help send me your phone number and I will give you a call to help you set it up.
USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 20:52:52 (MST)
Mark, Be glad to help. Catch ya monday. If you want me to call yo send me your number and what time to call. If you call I should be home all day.
USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 19:16:21 (MST)
Rick J......with Easter going on this weekend and stuff I will have to wait until Monday to try and get a hold of you so you can walk me through the MSN stuff. Sounds like a good idea. Everybody have a great Triumphant Easter.............God Bless.
USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 19:10:30 (MST)
Rick and Kal. It was good to talk you both and Rick, I agree the video and the audio make it even better. It's nice to see who you're talking to. It's too bad we cant have audio when there is more than two, but at least the typing is real time and you can tell who's online at a glance. Have a good rest of the weekend.....Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:12:47 (MST)
Kal and Robbie. Was sure nice talking to both of you today on MSN Messenger today. And Robbie the audio and video chat was good. My computer is usually on line all day so if I see you pop up will try and catch ya. Take care and God Bless.
USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:02:55 (MST)
If you are interested in getting a Hotmail account and using the the Newest Bata MSN Messenger to to the following web site http://messenger.msn.com/Beta/Download/default.aspx If you install the beta version be sure to go to the control panel and uninstall or uncheck the old MSN Messenger version before you install the new version. It will be alot of fun. If you have any questions feel free to contact me.
USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 15:49:06 (MST)
Robbie, Send me your msn email so I can add you to my contact list. Was nice talking with you over the net. Take care
USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 11:00:22 (MST)
Hi flight, yesterday was my last day on the job, 25yrs with NYCTA moving trains. Don, I remember 1 charlie model when I was there in 1970, don't remember tail number, it was there one day and gone the next,I worked on it a couple of times, heads were always leaking, Fred let me know when you get to NJ only a hour or so away, would like to hook up with you. Happy Easter to everyone
Dover Dover, De USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 10:03:52 (MST)
Flight- I have not attended a Reunion of the 129th but would like to make the one in San Antonio in June. Have a few questions tho. Is it necessary we join the VHCMA & about the Formal Dinner Dance, I would prefer going to a "Cowboy Bar" drink beer, eat pizza & dance.
Would someone please clue me in about how this thing works. Frank Sep69-Mar70.
Bastrop, La USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 09:33:31 (MST)
I believe there aint no stinking yearbooks...but, wanna buy a watch....or some sunglasses?
USA - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 03:19:41 (MST)
WANTED: Historian is seeking to purchase Aviation unit yearbooks printed in Viet Nam. Willing to pay $100.00 for original 129th AHC yearbooks.
V. Wisinski <NoseArt308thBG@aol.com>
USA - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 22:06:35 (MST)
hello FLight, I'm Kirby Bradford with the Lee COunty Sheriff's Office aviation unit in Ft. Myers, Fl. My unit is getting a Huey II. It is formerly from your unit 64-13497. it was a "D" model that was upgraded to a "H". it now has the T-53-L-703 engine, larger blades and tail boom (cobra stuff). My Unit wants to add YOUR unit logo on it and a POW/MIA flag. We also would like to know as much about this ship and its crew so we can keep it "alive". PLEASE, check around, find your log books and see if you flew it. Also, I"d like to get some photos of it "in Country" if I can, to hang in our office and use for pubilc displays. ANy help, feel free to call me at 239-425-5478 or Email: KBradf5575@aol.com. Thanks so much for everything and Gold Bless!
Kirby Bradford <KBradf5575@aol.com>
Ft. Myers, Fl USA - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 16:07:52 (MST)
Flight: Fred I couldn't have put any better. Fred has done the leg work. And it's up to all of you to give your input. I have recieved the by-laws Fred has sent me. He has a done a great job putting it together. As far as a 129th reunion. I have some research on an 129th reunion seperate from the VHCMA. Anything is possible. But, a few things we will need to look at. (1) We will need an person whom has a business backgroung to deal with hotel contracts etc. A retired person if possible, whom can travel to locations to see what we can get. (2) Also, Insurance to cover the Asso. which would include the Board, merchandise etc. Which is needed for any Asso. Now I have given a little input. Fred has done his job. Now it's to all of of you to help with your knowledge so Fred can fine tune evertything. As Fred said it's your ASSo. Working all weekend. Always A Brother Alex Remember we worked as a team in Nam and we can do it now.
Collierville, TN. USA - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 07:11:57 (MST)
Slow,respectful, hand salute rendered,happy birthday tomorrow,easter sunday,to Airbourne trooper,vietnam vet,friend of the 129th ahc and to me,Steve Spence. rip
USA - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:53:47 (MST)
USA - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 05:49:36 (MST)
Mark,I don't know if anything changed after I left the unit but at the time I was there all "slicks" were "D" models or "H" models. and wore a bulldog on the nose. all of the gunships were "A" or "B" models and wore a cobra. for the life of me I don't remember us having any "C" models while I was there. although I think I have read somewhere in the log that some people I served with have said we had "C" models. for the last few months I was in the 129th I was in charge of "groundhandleing" and I don't remember ever moving a "C" model in or out of the hanger. later, Don
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 21:35:44 (MST)
Alvis, I am in the process of the Notice of Disagreement. The DAV which is assisting me recommended option 2. They informed me to send the paperwork to them and they would do the filing and represent me. Hope that helps.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 21:17:48 (MST)
Question to those that have been down this road before me.I recieved a reply to my "disagreement to the v.a. determenation".They ask if i want to go the usual process or have someone act in my behalf(american legion in this case). Whats the best route?
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 21:07:35 (MST)
you know flight,we have folks in here from the start of the war till it finished ( just about),all in the same outfit.raineer was an early bird,there are a few after me as well. Darn near the complete history,all of its pages of american avaiation involment in here,in this site,in our experiences.everything from funky m-16s,early stratagy,till "dont shoot back till we tell you its ok".We were there for both tets,mie lia,many presidents,,from "we support our guys" and "where the heck is vietnam"to "bring then home now".Racial troubles,drug troubles, the full spectrum...and our unit was there and our folks are here. From tents and steam and creams to out houses and steam and creams.Americans,arvns,rocs,from them shotting at us with sks's and 51 cals to shoulder held heat seaking missles and ak-47s.As the war grew and wound its way thru our history,the 129th was there.and were still here.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 20:47:13 (MST)
great input guys.I agree,were just a bunch of "grey breards" now.Other units have their own reunion,perhaps when we get more folks.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 20:30:41 (MST)
Robbie, My msn is RickardAllanJensen@hotmail.com if you would like to add me to your contact list. I have already created a 129th group in MSN Messenger to add anyone that is interested.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 20:13:00 (MST)
Rick is right. I am on MSN messenger and my brother and I actually talk to each other and can use our web cams to see each other. I also thought the chat room was a bit cumbersome but it was getting people talking in real time and I thought this was better than nothing. Msn messenger is free and you can tell when your other contacts are online or offline. All you need is their email address to have them as a contact. My 2 cents for what it's worth.
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 19:30:23 (MST)
Hi everyone. I have tried that chat room on several occasions now and to be honest I was not too impressed with it. 1. The several steps you have to do to get on. 2. You do not know if anyone is in there unless you go there and look. 3. It is slow!! If everyone in the flight would sign up for free hotmail account (Net Passport)then they could use MSN messenger which is part of their operating system on their computer. When you started your computer and get on line other flight members would be alerted that you are on the net!!!! You could have multiple chat partners, have the oportunity to use audio and video chat!!! Give it a thought anyway. Take care and have a nice day. Rick
Rick Jensen <RickardAllanJensen@cox.net>
Clovis, NM USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 18:03:18 (MST)
Hello Flight. I haven't posted in awhile. Getting kind of frustrated with the job search. Fred, I agree with Gale that our first goal should be to find as many lost 129th brothers as possible with the idea of having a reunion of our own. Also 20 or 30 years down the road, yep that will just about do it for us, so a history archive also sounds good. I also like Fred's ideas of a Then/Now picture area on the site and helping Mark out with money for this site. If I had any brain cells left, I would come up with my own ideas. Maybe after I give it some more thought I can come up with one.
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 14:37:21 (MST)
Alvis, I think that our first & formost goal is to find as many lost brothers as soon as possible, via numerous newspapers across the nation. Then, a possible 129th reunion of our own that we can hold anywhere we want and in locations that are more accessible (and cheaper) for our brothers & sisters. A "slick on a stick" would be great and it sounds like Mark will have the place for it eventually. I hope Mark will provide a "home" for us, if in deed, that's what he wants. I also think that we need to establish a 129th history archive that will be around long after we are gone...........20 or 30 years down the road. I imagine that the average age of a 129th brother is about 60-62....do the numbers. Like it or not................ one of these days there will be no one to carry on.....................A brother forever, Gale 67-68
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 13:01:37 (MST)
Thank you Gale and Dave you are both so kind and wonderful hope to see the both of you in jun. With an eye to the sky it's like some beautiful birds are fixin to take flight,,,,go "497" may you fly on golden wings,,,ok black rotorblades will work fine. It's a beautiful day in the southland and i think i shall go start my spring ritual of tending the flower bed and shrubs. Animal your work brother what can i say that has not been said,,,just continue to let that hand guide your for it sure produces some beautiful work that will last for lifetimes. I got to have me some of that,,gotta go brothers but alas go "497" jim
Jim O Stickman
sav, ga USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:55:24 (MST)
and thinking about this,perhaps one of the first orders of biz. for our board is to offically state our goals.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:45:01 (MST)
Both Mark and Alex have mentioned something about the goals of the 129th assoc.Darn good question.I would really like some input from you guys on this.After all,it is your org.How about these couple of ideas to get the ball rolling.First,I think there should be "short" and "long term" goals.( cant be to long,we're all getting gray)First,to try and contact other 129th brothers,the promotion of brotherhood,social interaction between us,HELPing with the ongoing fights with V.A..The sharing of pertinent info to all of us.Perhaps a now/then section for pics of us.Don has started an excellent site on our "lost" brothers.hmm,perhaps long term is to continue our search for btothers,maybe trying to get a "slick on a stick" from the feds,the museum the Mark has started,an archive expanded for our pics and "tins" ( this is no shit),a centeral place we can get hats or shirts,bumber stickers,whatever.Helping Mark pay for this web site,that he so generously dips into his own wallet each month to pay for.To make sure we and our kia's are not forgotten.Something about "gold star moms? Just throwing out stuff to get the ball rolling and shake out the cobwebs.Common guys,lets hear your ideas about your/our org.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:42:21 (MST)
Hey Gang. I have been contacted by Kirby Bradford of the Lee County Florida Sheriffs Office. They are looking for history and info and personal that may have drove ,crewed, gunned, worked on or has pictures the 64-13497. It was an D model while with the 129th during Dec,1966 thru Sept.,1967.They are getting the ship to be used in their force. They want to put the correct nose art on it and learn the history of it. Our history section has some info during that time but does not mention the "497". Can anybody help out here. Kirby's phone number is 239-425-5478. If you have any info please contact him. He says that the "497" has been converted to an H model and now to a Huey II with the pointed nose and now has a Cobra engine and blade system on it. I guess the question is was it a Bulldog or Cobra?................always a brother
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:02:48 (MST)
I cant get the Mustang to go any faster then 10.256..................
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:47:47 (MST)
A new documentrary is being filmed, by a British film company,about famous choppers.Of course the hueys are included.They will be at muther rucker in june.I believe they will be using the hertiage flight's slick.Rick,popeye from helivets,has been promised the gunners seat.Some gal named hanna is in charge,from what I understand.Thats all I know about it at this time.Perhaps there are other seats avalible,I just dont knowmbut I might find out by contanting the foundation at mother rucker.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:34:33 (MST)
If Animal won't "selfishly" promote his wonderful artwork... I WILL! He does a NICE job with the deco tiles, folks. Visit the site and see for yourself. Alvis, I agree... the action of the courts here flies in the face of common decency... makes zero sense. Stickman, good to see your post! I want to exchange carvings with you sometime. Give me an e-mail back channel... I'm still at the same addy.
USA - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:07:40 (MST)
Stick Man, how ya doin'? "Love is in the air", "birds slingloadin' pieces of straw".......WOW!......I thought was Alvis writing there for a minute. LOL. Boot scootin' boogie? I can see it now....................a new dance comin' our way in Texas called the "Wink slinkin' Boot scootin' BOOGIE" !! Can't wait...Gale
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 22:25:33 (MST)
Boot scootin boogie i can see it already. Animal is your contact addy correct. Fred and Susan think only good thoughts and hang in there, our paths are most time rough. Spring is in the air and i saw evidence of love in the air, birds building neststoday, large pie
ces of straw in their beaks,,,kinda sorta like sling loads. later,,,think Texas jim aka stickman
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 18:11:49 (MST)
I don't now if'in my cowboy boots while work on a crow bar-but belly up everyone, Jim and I are gonna try it.:>)) Gently(Singer)
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 14:31:53 (MST)
Alvis, awwwww..my kinda car!! That's the best I can do also. It must be the best time for the "Stang". I had a '67 Mustang GT Fastback (back from Nam in 68) powered by the HiPo 390 / 4speed that was a honker. I ran with the Z28 Camaro, 396 Chevelle, 428 CobraJet Stang, HiPo 289 Stang, ETC. Above average wins...few losses. Just found some slides of the car. Gale
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 14:26:38 (MST)
Good Day Flight.....Had a wonderful day yesterday, Kim LaVoie and Linda stopped by the house to spend some time. It was great....Kim and I got to talk "labor union" talk, even Linda a union member!!!! My wife Kim is up in Jersey finding a place to live for us, she seems to have found a real nice place in Summit,New Jersey. So I`ll be a "Jersey Guy" pretty soon.
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 12:11:33 (MST)
Thank's Smitty, Alvis, Dave and others who have visited my site. It's still new and under construction. We really haven't intended it to be a "store" as much as a virtual "catalog". Our Main product that we're trying to promote are the Deco tiles, and the website is a good way to show tile stores what we do. Eventually there will be some Order forms on the site for you to order stuff, but for now, just let me know by email if you're interested in anything and we'll take it from there. If any of you out there are concerned about my blatent promotion of products on this website, I can only say: "It's blatent promotion of my products on this website". (LOL) Seriously folks, this is the last you'll hear from me about it, but keep in mind that I'm interested it donating stickers, banners and other stuff to the 129th Assc. as fund raising materials. Aloha Nui Loa, Greg
Puna, HI USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 11:13:35 (MST)
Greetings from Malaga (Spain). Antonio :-)
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 08:52:13 (MST)
grrr,cant seem to beat 10.256 today.cAN YOU?
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 08:40:41 (MST)
gently, the paperwork is on the way,just mailed it this morning.Copies are avaliable ( of the by laws) to any member that wants one.Still working of the "fed" version of tax laws.That version is avaiable by calling irs ,its a free call,also I think you can see it on line.Its a whopper.by the way gently, I remember now..its singer..you will see the addy on the envolpe when you get it..it says//Judth ( crap,cant remember your last name) then your addy,chuckle.mailed it like that.
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 08:20:15 (MST)
I noticed that mustang look as well Smitty.Looked like a 64/5/6 to me.There is one same color that runs here at the drags.Smitty...I wonder how difficult it will be to find a cowboy bar in texas? Mark and Alex,you guys should be getting the "papers in the mail today.I mailed them out sunday.I am sadly watching the ongoing fight for Terri Sherivo's life.She can breath own her own,she simply needs food.Yes,I know all the arguements from both sides.I keep thinking that everyone of us would at least feed a starving dog.
USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 05:09:10 (MST)
Animal,your site is very cool but i can't figure out how to order anything, your work is fantastic. Fred, i got about the same time but how come the GTO looks like the ass end of a mustang? Gently, not kidding about the dance. If we have to find a Cowboy Bar with a band. I still cannot change & have tried everything, believe me. Stay Well, Smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sher, wy USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 20:07:09 (MST)
ok,drag race fans,go to 1964gto.com and try your hand at quick times.I got under "10" sec. once.
USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 19:11:40 (MST)
People! I have been busy, very busy. Please forgive me for not giving you my two cents worth more often(in todays' economy its actually with about .1) Funny about the dance:>) with Smitty. Made me laugh. Fred A, here's my postal: 7221 W. Bluemound Road, Milwaukee(as in UW-M PANTHERS, where I work) WI 53213. I am honored to be a holder of such important documents. And great job! How you did it while working full-time, taking care of and being worried about our little aussie, and fighting the VA is beyound me. That's quite afew hats to wear. Thank you Fred. Sue H-yes your email needs updating. Who you running from:>)) I haven't had time to read all the posts of late, but I'm sure Gale is still up to some old tricks. Spent part of the weekend with Ron Paye. He might not be going to TX, so I suggest everyone get on his case-the fool! He said some crazy stuff about taking a two month trip through South America and the Amazon-just he and a tent-via the Pan American highway. 'Course it was said after several Bloody Mary's :>)). Maybe he didn't say that...it was after a couple of "Mary's" for me also. Anyway, get on him..the Suit Man!!! Love to all-Gently
USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 15:12:52 (MST)
Animal, nice site! You do such nice work... Howdy everyone, hope you're all having a great spring! Blessings to Fred and Susan...
USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 07:18:47 (MST)
Morning flight.......just startin' out my day with a cup of coffee with my 129th family. Anybody got any eggs on the grille?....God Bless you all and have a wonderful day. Prayers for mercies and concernes, issues and trails, praises and thanks going out for all of us...................
USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 06:30:03 (MST)
well said alex.catch ya all in 2 weeks. off for the desert southwest
oglesby, il USA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 12:16:26 (MST)
Goodmorning Flight: Had to cover the store mgr. position at Autozone this past week. So that took away my time. A lot has been going on. But, those's of us in the VHCMA will find out in the up coming newsletter. Exc. Dir. Charlie Rains has been fighting throat cancer. He has been through the chem and radiation treatents. Were waiting on the out come. Were all praying for him. I was told not say anything to anyone. When he was ready he would. I respected he wishes. Charlie was the one whom got me in touch with Mark. And that was the one of the bestt things to happen to me. Fred and and Susan your in my thoughts and prayers everyday. And our 129th Family is with you all the way. Now the 129th Asso. 1st some had their thoughts of us maybe becoming a business venture. So, I contacted Mark and thought maybe we could post a over all picture about the goals of the 129th Asso. This I felt would give everyone a better out look of our goals. AT NO TIME ANY NEGITIVE COMMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT FRED. ONLY AND I SAY ONLY THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR EVERYTHING FRED HAD DO FOR THE 129TH ASSO. RESPECT MY BROTHERS. the reasons they didn't post,they felt they would be targeted as a trouble maker. Because of the arguments some have had in the past. We are adults first and Brothers and Sisters joined together because of the Viet Nam War. I am an out spoken person. I listen of what people have say. And I try to solve problems. I personally feel we have the greatest Family of folks here. And I have the highest repect for Fred Alvis for all he has done, and support him. I hope in the future everyone will feel free to express their view's. Fred has worked on the 129th Asso. also Rick England and I talked about him and Wink along with some of the others to share the knowledge of getting the info needed for the VA. These's Brothers have been through the system. I appreciate any help I can Get. Let's help each other. Chat line. Great way to get together. Hope more will join us at 8 eastern time. Well need to head to work. To all of you have a great day. To anyone whom has any qustions about the 129th Asso such as the purpose, Mark and Fred will be more and glad to give an over all layout. Always A Brother!! Alex
Collierville, Tn. USA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 07:17:34 (MST)
HELLO FLIGHT JUST SAYING HIT NOT SURE IF ANY ONE LIKES TO PLAY CHEST AGAINST A PUTER BUT THIS ONE IS HARD, IT BEATS ME BAD, BUT SO DOSE MY 6 YEAR OLD GRAND SON, BUT REALY I THINK IT WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD GAME http://www.turbulence.org/spotlight/thinking/index.html TRY IT LET ME HOW YOU LIKE IT
MARK HOW ARE YOU FEELING, WELL TODAY I GET HIGH SPEED INTERNET NOW I CAN MAKE MISTAKES EVEN FASTER BUT I DO TRY NOT TO IF YOU GANT GET THE GAME E MAIL I SEND IT THAT WAY. GOOD LUCK . WELL TAKE CARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS LOVE YOU ALL, A BROTHER ALWAYS R
md USA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 06:58:31 (MST)
great pics mark, thanks.great looking grand daughter.I had forgotten the color scheme of the airplane,it surprised me.
USA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 06:55:33 (MST)
We thought we gave you our new email......we certainly meant to. It is country5atwi-net.com Changing the "at" of course. Sue H.
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 21:02:02 (MST)
Jim & Sue Hydinger, your e-mail comes back unknown......whatssup? Gale
USA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 18:52:10 (MST)
outstanding site animal.you did a great job.
USA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 17:39:39 (MST)
Fred,hang in there & thanks for all you are doing, as the Animal said, i havn't picked up on anything like that, Just want you to know how much i appreciate what you are doing especially with all the problems you are facing. Kim, i appreciate the help but i called United Airlines & they said there is nothing they can or will do to fix a priceline ticket except buy a one way back which is cost prohibitive. I am just going to have to miss that part i guess. I should have ridden my Harley, but it really to a lot out of me going to Indy & back. Will be a good time anyway,
jim westwang 71-72
Sheridan, wy USA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 14:17:30 (MST)
Alvis, Once again, GOOD JOB on all you are doing for the 129th. I haven't picked up any negative vibes about the association, maybe I missed something back channel. I can assure anyone out there that any stickers, Banners, plaques, or other materials by me will be donated as I can afford them. (Stickers are cheap to produce!) If anyone feels that you are taking advantage of them, I'm sure they could find a Lawyer to continue your work for $200 an hour or so. Please give my best wishes to Susan. Oh, and for a final bit of blatent Spam on my part; check out my new website at stoneface.org/
Best wishes, Greg
Puna, HI USA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 12:25:33 (MST)
Does anyone know the man name Phan Van Ngoc who is serve in u.s army and has been missing for forty something years ago because of the airplane crash in Soc Trang, Vn in 1972. Pls let me know . He 's my brother that i loved and have been missing. I miss him soo much.Thanks
Phan Thi Ngao <email@example.com>
Milpitas, ca USA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 00:28:52 (MST)
if anyone wants to go thru the processes of getting the 129th ahc org. approved by the feds.let me know. i will send you the papers of application.Anyone can do this.I havent been doing this for my benifit,but for all of us.I resent the implication i am doing this for personel gain.balls in your court.
USA - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 19:00:30 (MST)
got yours now mark, still need gentlys
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 20:11:02 (MST)
Mark and Gently,I need both your postal addys.Alex, I have yours.
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 19:47:09 (MST)
Mark I tried to sent the pictures, but was unsuccessful the first time. I will try again. Please let me know if you receive them. My e-mail is firstname.lastname@example.org I have been reading the Flight Log off and on over the pass three months. Theres alot of Love and caring from the Brothers and Sisters of the 129th. I wish for everyone all the happiness and good health in the Loving 129th. This is a place were God's Love really shows.
John christenson <email@example.com>
Pacifica, Ca USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 16:30:25 (MST)
Smitty, you can test the ticket change by calling the airline and asking what the penalty is if you have to change you travel plans. That will give you an idea of how much of a problem it will be. I've done it a few times in the past. J. W., we've had to change our plans, and won't be driving down the east coast this year. Sorry. My Union is seeking to merge with the Steelworkers, and we have to be in Vegas in early April.
Livermore, Me USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 16:15:17 (MST)
JW Wilson, thanks buddy..... Yea I was getting around to posting about the move to New Jersey. Just been so busy getting ready for the move. That`s right, Flight...I`m moving to NJ next month. My wife has taken a job with Gucci of North America in Secaucus,NJ. So she`s flying up this week-end with a girl-friend from NYC, and they are going to look for housing in Jersey. Not Cheap.......and a LOT different from N.C. and Ohio.
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 16:09:26 (MST)
Mark, hope this note finds you feeling better.Didnt get to post that stuff today.Spent all day either at chemo with Susan,or at Va.For anyone who has aphrehensions about the 129th ahc. assoc.,this hopefully was adressed in the by laws.If i thought for a minute that the work I have done will in any way change this brotherhood in here,I wouldnt be doing it.It does open doors for things folks have talked about in here..a fererally subsidised gift of a helicopter,a tax number for gifts to the assoc.,such as Animals very nice bumper stickers,robbies rocks,ricks pins, the shirts and hats someone made ect.It may somehow even let Mark save bucks on where he is keeping all the 129th gear folks have sent him over the years. To get any tax numbers,non- profit or otherwise,its classified as a buisness.It is that..but in name ONLY.Read the by laws,there printed in here.There is no way anyone can legally make money,and if the 129th ahc. assoc. does,it legaly has to give it away,such as in the manner that we have done in the past, or someone will be in very deep doo doo.I will try and mail out the copies tomorrow during my lunch break.When you 3 recieve them,please post your thoughts here.If anyone thinks this will be corrupted,then i want to drop it,let it wither on the vine.I will not disclose the fed "ein" number except to the board and the 2 others who are getting the copies.I was warned about putting it in public.the board,mark or Gently can choose to do as they please with it,it will then be out of my hands.
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 15:55:36 (MST)
Hi Flight, one more week before I retire, going to try to get to SA for the reunion, hopefully my claim for PTSD will be settled, and I'll have some money to help pay for the trip, Mark still waiting for reply about the rest of the pictures I send you
Dover, De USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 15:20:44 (MST)
RICK E; i forgot to mention in my other post that the security cert for the program for the chat room has expired and that maybe the reason that it's not filling in the box. it is not uncommon to find a security cert that is expired nowdays.they are only good for a year or so and they don't always get updated.i'm pretty sure the problem is with a setting on your computer. my point is don't be alarmed at the cert being expired all the rest of us that have gotten on have used it and it is not a problem paul
oglesby, il USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 11:54:03 (MST)
rick england and ray;RICK E; i think that the security settings on your computer may be set for high security. if they are it will not give you the choice of wether you want to ignore a security warning. you would have to go into (my computer)on your desk top and look at your security settings.if they are set on high you may have to change them to medium security. RAY; if you look back a couple of days i posted step by step instructions on how to get in the chat room. if it will help you can open two windows with one on chat and the other on the flight log and follow the instructions that way. or you can call me at(815)883 3327. i won't be home after monday for a week and a half as we are going to death valley. hope this helps and we can talk on the chat page soon paul
oglesby, il USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 11:44:24 (MST)
MARK I HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER TO, I AGREE WITH YOU I HATE TO SE THIS PLACE BE COME A BUNESS IN STEAD OF WHAT IT IS NOW A PLACE TO COME TO TALK TO FAMILY AND SEEK HELP LIKE WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE. THIS PLACE IS FUL OF LOVE AND SUPORT FOR EACHOTHER. NOW THE CHAT ROOM HOW THE HECH DO YOU GET IN, I BEEN TRYING A WHILE ALL IT SAYS ITS LOADING I WAITED A LONG TIME
. MAYBE NEXT WEEK IT MAY VHANGE IAM SWICHING TO CABLE SO I TRY THEN I LOVE TO GET IN THERE AND TALK TO YOU ALL
LOVE YOU ALL MARK YOU TAKE CARE PRAYES ARE WITH YOU. ROB HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL HOPE YOU ALL ARE DOING WELL GENTLY WHERE YOU BEEN YOU MUST BE REAL BUSY AT WORK THAT CARE OK
A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY MY BEST TO YOU ALL
OH MELONY I DIDNT KNOW IT SNOWED IN AMIRILO TEX WOW YOU TAKE CARE OK
MD USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 10:11:59 (MST)
Mark get well soon. Susan our good thoughts our with you. Fred good work and thank you hopefully that dream of a ship will come true.*****I keep trying that chat room an it says it doesn't have a security cert. all I get is a big square with a little X in the uppper left hand corner.??????MICR can't help******Flight be careful out there
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 08:23:51 (MST)
mark you get well .susan you hang in there alot of good people praying for you g marshall
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 08:17:36 (MST)
Good work Alvis !! Debbie & I will be in Tex......we hope Susan & you will be too. Mark, I finally figured out how to get into the chat room....talked to Kal & Paul. Real neat. Hope you are feelin' better Bro, that stuff can get the best of us down once in a while. We will our own "129th Pizza Party" on Friday in Texas. I'll check places out when I get there on Wed.
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 07:18:34 (MST)
Fred A. Dee and I will be in TX. You need to be commended for the work you have done on the 129th Asso. stuff. Some have had concerns that the 129th becomeing a Asso. would turn it into more of a business. I , myself, will not, and would not let it ever come to that. The Family and the Brotherhood of the whole thing will always , ALWAYS come first. I thin we all should feel this way. I have been down and out the last few days with high fever and the ackes. Man do I acke. Stayed in bed the whole time. Thats unuasual for me........take care all. have I told you that I love you. If you get time. Come and try the CHAT room. Always a brother.......................Mark
USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 06:05:23 (MST)
ok,copies made. will send out( try to) tomorrow to 3 folks.all of which i think are first on the priority list.Copies need to be spread out,just in case.First is to alex, he is the pres..and needs to look over it,change,it,mold it to fit our needs.Mark,of course.I would like to change the home addy of the 129th ahc assoc. to his,instead of my addy,as we kinda have him as our home of records anyway.And Gently.These copies have records of tax numbers,employment numbers ect. that the money person needs to have access to.I want to hand this stuff off so we can get it going. I am still working toward the golden idol,federal reconigition.Thats the baby that opens ALL the doors.SMITTY..see you in texas.Who all is going?Susan and I will be there,hopefully.
USA - Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 20:31:39 (MST)
Hi flight, The chat room is great. Kim. are you still planning on being in N.C. on 22th. Fred S, good luck on your move to N. J. Clear, J. W.
Kinston , N.C. USA - Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 17:09:25 (MST)
I am doing everything i can to change the damn thing, really a dumb move on my part. I do think the idea of having our on Pizza deal is a good idea. Gently, we will find a way to have our Dance. Fred loved your stuff about the vhpa, i have had nasty comments from them before. If they choose to be elitest, Their loss. We have a lot of good Officers that come & belong to our stuff.Are you sure about the $100 penalty?? I can't get stuck in Texas as i have to fly back & then Drive to Denver & pick my Daughter up as she is returning from Europe then.
jim westwang 71-72
Sheridan, wy USA - Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 12:18:19 (MST)
well flight,we are getting somewhere.A letter came today from the state of indiana Tax department for the 129th ahc assoc.We now have an " Indiana Nonprofit Sales Tax Exemption Certificate".I guess that boils down to we can buy stuff and not pay sales tax on it,to be used in the manner for which we were set up.I guess that means we can buy hats and stuff....maybe someday a helicopter?It also says we can buy stuff of resale. Dang,I gotta start making copies of this stuff. Well,off to work I go.Tomorrow I have A va app. and Susan gets her bi- weekly drip of poisin.
USA - Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 11:20:23 (MST)
NOW...... That's the Alvis I've come to love!!!!! LOL Thinking good thoughts for you and and yours...Smitty, if you miss your flight??????? it's only a hundred bucks penalty. Sometimes you can even plead temporary crs, and get out of it free!!! A dance with Gently might be worth the attempt?
snowbound, Me USA - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 21:03:11 (MST)
just got an email about a new org.its called chpa..combat helicopters pilot assc. Any helicopter pilot that has been in combat can join,be it korea,nam,iraqi,whatever.Oh,as an after thought,the guys in back can join as assoc members,non voting of course.I wrote back and said ...kiss my ass.I also feel the same about vhpa..vietnam helicopter pilots asoc.They will not hold their reunions with vhcma nor helivets.brothers my ass.
USA - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 20:56:28 (MST)
Smitty-no dance? :>((( Gently
USA - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 15:17:49 (MST)
Hi All just a few lines. I am doing much better today.I have cut my pain med in half. So I am more on the ball.Sorry about that last entry but I was deep in la la land.But I knew you all would like to know how I was doing. Still praying for all I know about A brother, GMarshall
USA - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 09:39:50 (MST)
Jim, can't you cancel the whole thing & re-book?? I dunno....maybe some one else can help. I know that we'll miss you at the dinner!!! Gale
USA - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 07:20:59 (MST)
Hey Ray! Glad you are doing better! You are very welcome for the card :o) I can't spell that guy's name either! We just got about a foot of snow today at our house. Very insane weather for march. Other than that nothing much has been up with me. Hope all have a great week. My grandpa turns 85 on St.Patties Day!
Amarillo, TX USA - Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 20:49:41 (MST)
Hi to all & hope everyone does ok with your struggles, seems like we are all having them. Fred & Susan, hang in there. Just wanted you all to know i really screwed up this time. The reunion being 22-26, i booked a priceline ticket & when i looked at the registration form, the Dance & dinner on Sat. Nite begins at the same time my return flight leaves. I made an attempt to change but once you book with Priceline, it is unchangable(thats it). So i will be there for everything except that. I have booked a room & am not yet sure if Shadow is coming so i may want to share a room to cut cost. Lookin forward to seein ya all there,
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 19:10:11 (MST)
hello flight; trying to drum up some more people for the chat page so i thought some simple step by step instructions might be in order. first click on chat from the menu on the home page. you will be taken to a page that gives you choices for windows , mac and linux, don't worry about them. go to the sentence that says(if you would like to use the interface we have for the chat room click here) click on the word HERE.that will take you to a page that says (please grant permission when pop up window appears) after 30 seconds or so the window will come up that says (security warning)DON'T BE ALARMED. just click on yes. it will take you to the next page, that saysjava on the side and there are two blocks type in your nick name(or you can leave it as guest) next block asks real name( you can leave it as 129th crew member)move to the bottom and click on the sun with the arrow in it.this will bring you to a page that is3/4 black on the left and1/4 purple on the right. it will say guest or what ever has signed in in yellow. don't worry about the other gobbledegook.go to bottom of black section and you will see a long white box with a black line flashing at the left side type in what you want to say and hit the enter key on your computer keyboard. your sentence should appear in the black box for all to see.if you do it this way you will not have to download anything.kal,alex, mark,cp and i have been on the last week or so at 8 pm central time.kal has been pretty prompt about the 8pm time and i try to be.if no one is there check back in 5 or 10 minutes. if on one is there the purple box on the right sie of the screen will be empty. if there are people there their names and a smiley face will be there. hope to see some more people check in. it's been kind of cool to talk to a bunch of people i've never met. hope this helps anyone who has been trying to get on but didn't know how paul
oglesby, il USA - Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 14:48:50 (MST)
hi guys have been home since Sat.but haven't been able to type yet. i'm typeing left handed.first i want alll of you to i am still prayinys foryou and yours.the surgey went well my shoulder alright, i can tell by the pain,nothuin gould hurt that much if its not for the good. i do have some cocerns i walk like a 2 tr old i can't concintrate at all and cant remember anything. i never have had anything like this happen on any surgery i have had and i have ha plent.forgive my spelling and erors am to tired to change everybody takk sace of yourselves and don't worry bout those shadows they can't hurt you.a brother who thinks warmly of yoy always g marshall
USA - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:39:10 (MST)
hello all just saying hi doing ok seeing the shrink today , not doing good in mind but no pain in stomach. over the week end primed most of the walls in two rooms looks like it may need a second coat, oh well it winter he he then wepaint
melony i want to thank you for the card that was so nice of you to think of me in your thoughs and p5rayes. i tryed to write to you in a email at that yahoo address that wass on the log but got it back so i thank you here,want to thqank every one i do feel better, now just have to work on the depression but that will come i guess
cant wait for tex i see you all there take care a brother always ray again thanks for the card melony. i did try the yahoo adress with numbebers no luck, i just wanted to thank you my self. oh well. oh i liked stamp on the back nice art pice of art cant spell his name sorry for rambling on i post again i just so mixed up when i do
i got to get ready a brother always
ck be safe
md USA - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 08:55:00 (MST)
Good Morning Alex. I haven't recieved a e-mail back from MICR yet I would love to show my lousy spelling on the chat room.hewhehehehehehehe
USA - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 07:30:43 (MST)
Flight: Goodmorning!! Hope eveyone has a great day. Fred and Susan praying for you both daily. Have faith and the lord will do his healing. Been going into the chat room. It's nice. found out some of us including me can't spell to good. But, we have a good time. Thanks to Kal,Paul and Mark they gave me instruction on how to get in and post on the chat line. ONCE YOUR IN,TYPE IN THE WHITE BOX WITH THE CURSOR THEN IT ENTER KEY ON THE COMPUTER KEY BOARD. Call me dumb, but it took the instruction Kal gave me. Well heading to VA Weds. to see if they have me still alive. Take care to All my Brothers and Sisters. Always A Brother Alex
Collierville, TN. USA - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:58:23 (MST)
We are already seeing it here in Phoenix. staff cuts my primary care quit the stress got to her. Patient advocate told me only if its an emergency that I get to see someone. Honestly, McCain is out for himself. I don't think he would help, but who knows, it's worth a try!
If you do a search on the internet for "Senator John McCain" it should pull up his website and all the contact info.
In addition, call his Phoenix office and ask for Tom McCanna who is a senior aid. He's also a Nam vet and a really good man. He is actually the one I would go to first. Please feel free to tell him I suggested you call him.
I came home to check e-mail and to shower and change clothes - now I'm heading back to the hospital. Earl's doing well, but the knee recovery is going to take some time.
anybody from Phoenix if this helps use it. Be careful out there
USA - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:16:39 (MST)
This is from January but thought it was still worthy of posting. I thought that maybe someone else would have had it on the site by now. Maybe some of you read it in your local paper - that is where I found it. Stevens Point Journal (Stevens Point Wisc.) January 8, 2005
“VETERANS ANGRY OVER HOUSE REP’S FIRING By Dennis Camire WASHINGTON – Veterans groups, outraged over the House republication leadership’s firing of Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., as chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, say the move was politically driven in retribution for Smith’s successful advocacy of veterans issues. Adding insult to injury, GOP leaders decided less than a day later to boot Smith off the committee of which he has been a member for 24 years. ‘The ouster …was clearly a politically driven decision, not one based on performance,’ said John Furgess, who heads the Veterans of Foreign Wars. ‘What’s being communicated loud and clear across the country is that your job is in jeopardy if you put principles before politics.’ William A. Boettcher, national commander of AMVETS and a Marine Corps veteran who served in Vietnam, said his group was ‘deeply disappointed’ by Smith’s removal. Smith is a ‘staunch supporter’ of veterans’ issues and could always be counted on to do everything in his power to see they were treated justly and with respect by the nation, Boettcher said. The sentiments were reflected in comments coming from other veterans around the country. ‘I think it’s atrocious,’ said Hollis Stanford, a retired Army paratrooper who lives in Springfield MO. ‘The Republicans are just doing all they can do to keep from doing anything for veterans. Anybody who helps the veterans, they’re kicking out.’ Since Smith took over as chairman of the House Committee in 2001, he has authored 13 laws and shepherded several others aimed at improving veterans’ benefits. The ousting of Smith, who should have had two more years to serve as chairman under Republican rules, was the first time a sitting chairman had been removed since Republicans won control of the House in 1994. But Smith raised the ire of House Republican leaders by consistently fighting for higher veterans spending than they or the Bush administration wanted. Several veterans groups saw Smith’s firing and the appointment of Rep. Steve Buyer, R-Ind., as the new committee chairman as a sign of tough times ahead for health, pension and other benefit programs designed to help the nation’s 26 million veterans. ‘I think we are going to see major recommendations for cuts in programs coming out in the (Bush) administration’s new budget’ for the Veterans Affairs Department, said Richard Fuller, national legislative director for Paralyzed Veterans of America.”
It looks like the veterans won’t be getting any new assistance for at least “4 MORE YEARS”! It will be a long 4 years. Jim Hydinger
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 19:45:40 (MST)
don't know if that is actually an official report but it's better than nothing.the one i was looking up doesn't mention that it was actually a beach run and they caught the main rotor on a wave and disintegrated.but it gave a good explaination of what happened.
oglesby, il USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 17:48:03 (MST)
Spec 6 he was TI. Frenchie or Bill Whelan might remember that Gale.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 11:36:04 (MST)
Hey paul, thanks for that site.It list my roomies.I had never heard an "official"account of why they crashed and burned.There were several rumors floating around at the time,none official.Rick, the ship was landed at some MAC V base,a little tiny place,inland and up river from tuy hoa,in early jan or very late dec.After landing( this was the closest and safest place),we inspected the aircraft and found tourque screws and rivets missing near the tail boom.The aircraft was declared "red x" due to over tourqing.A chinook was then dispacthed to sling the broken bird home,with in the next few days,or sooner,perhaps the same day.The MAC V guys didnt want it there as it was just an inviting target for a mortor barrage later.I wish I could remember where I spent new years eve that year.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:21:22 (MST)
my appologies guys but in looking closer at the armyaircrews web site it only deals in line of duty deaths. didn't notice that when i was in that site before looking up date on an incident i knew about. paul
oglesby, il USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:47:15 (MST)
Flight, anyone from 1968 remember where T-6 Newton was from? I was thinking Alabama, but, not sure. Trying to track him down...............clear, Gale
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:19:32 (MST)
Look at this incident report:AC O2 STUART WA
P O2 CLASSEN CC
UNK UNK, LCO, G;
ACFT LANDED ON A PINNACLE TYPE LZ & A "C" RATION CAN BLEW UP INTO THE BLADE CAUSING DAMAGE.
These are the kind of incident reports that were put in the book. They are not showing evrything.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 08:09:58 (MST)
Here is another one that went ot depot maint. 69-15456******7111 92 1240 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7112 2 1242 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7201 0 1242 WC5CAA 604TH TRANS CO VIETNAM RVN
7202 1 1243 WC5CAA 604TH TRANS CO VIETNAM RVN
7203 1 1244 WC5CAA 604TH TRANS CO******It flew 92 hrs in nov and only 2hrs in dec. none of these ships are showing incident reports why did they go into maint. if something didn't happen all in your time span. Somebody didn't enter them in the book or ????????I see reports on mech and shot down here in 129th, but no reports in the book.
Is there a way of getting log books? maybe Mark might know.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 07:53:33 (MST)
7112 13 951 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7201 0 951 WC5CAA 604TH TRANS CO VIETNAM RVN
7202 2 953 WC5CAA 604TH TRANS CO VIETNAM RVN
This ship went to depot after 13 hrs of flt. in dec. 69-15955
If I understand you correctly it was slung loaded back to lane.It was pilot error or shot down?????? or mech. I hope this is not hard on you. I know it was hard when I did this shit.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 07:41:54 (MST)
I will look some more. That helps knkowing that you flew in dec. When did you zeros? and when did you stop flying?
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 07:30:33 (MST)
not sure rick,I know we flew up to xmas day,I remember at least that much ( cause a big party and I was hung over flying that day).Seems the 756 bird should have shown hours logged that month.I know there was an incident report cause the stuff really hit the fan when we returned to lane.Some in here remember that and gabby getting his wings taken away and the peter P getting into warm water as well.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 06:50:22 (MST)
Mark I e-mail icr about my problem maybe we can solve some of these problems.******Fred don't give up thast is what VA wants. We are talking about a march here in phoenix and maybe DC. Hopefully getsome TV coverage on it. Its not just us nownaving problems the new vets coming home. Be sure if you know a vet from the Iraq or afgan tell them to register wather there is a problem or not. they have 2 years or lose thier benifits.
USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 06:46:31 (MST)
Ted. Howdy brother, good to see your post. Dont know about a 1st avb Asso. but the 1st does have a home page < www.1stavnbde.com/ > that this page is linked to. Check it out. Again, good to see you r post. Jim O. thanks for the attachment in your e-mail the other day. Some more of you guys should try out the CHAT ROOM........always a brother...thinkin' San Antonio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 20:15:43 (MST)
Does any one know if there is a First Aviation Brigade Association, or if there ever was one?
Ted Buisker <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Davis, IL. USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 19:55:44 (MST)
Sorry Fred hope you can read this if not go to helicopters look up 70=15756
USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 18:31:14 (MST)
70-15756 DATE FLT HRS UIC UNIT AREA POST COUNTRY
7103 0 0 W0Y6AA AVSCOM FLT DET 5TH ARMY ST LOUIS AVSCOM
7104 0 0 NAT GUARD NAT GDZI
7105 113 113 WC3JAA 129 AHC VIETNAM RVN
7106 113 226 WC3JAA 129 AHC VIETNAM RVN
7107 128 354 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7108 35 389 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7109 119 508 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7110 93 601 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7111 78 679 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7112 0 679 WC3JAA 129 ASLT HEL CO VIETNAM RVN
7201 0 679 WC5CAA 604TH TRANS CO VIETNAM RVN
Something happened to this ship Dec of 71. it was down with no hrs in 7112 then it went to depot maint.????????again 70-15756 is the serial number. No incident reports. Its just like mine Fred that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I used my flight hrs from the flight log here on the 129th page thanks to Mark and his effort it has helped. That is why we need more contacts here. It is done on other company pages with good results. The VA is becoming a pain in the ass even if you have a comp. I am drifting sorry. just pissed. Be careful out there
USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 18:29:15 (MST)
The man to talk to is Gary Roush from the Vhpa. The pilot has to make the report, at least that is what he told me.
USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 18:12:52 (MST)
i believe there is a way of adding an incident to thier site.you would have to look around on the site.if it's not there should try to add it,maybe help someone else paul
oglesby, il USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 14:22:34 (MST)
Rick, the name of the pilot was Mr. Gibson( I think he was a mr. and not a louey.I also think,correct me if I am wromg here guys,that in late 71 ,the 129th only had "h" models as slicks.
USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 14:03:04 (MST)
well flight,we just missed the train,sort to speak. An owner of a fully funtioning,flight ready,uh-h model huey,in Allentown PA.,just sold it....wait..he just wanted to get rid of it....for 15 grand.
USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 13:56:53 (MST)
Can you give me the pilots names I can look up the ship by pilot or pilots???? Was your ship fairly new 68 or 69 ?????? Thats is a good source Paul but they don't have all the ships in there. I didn't see a buddy of mine that went down in april of 72 Dac to Easter offensive. 57 th Galiators. Even our own 129th crashes doesn't have all incedent reports. I might not find it there.
USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 08:20:21 (MST)
fred; if you go to www.armyaircrews.com you might be able to look up the incident. click on the type of aircraft and it will go to a page listing crashes as far back as the mid 80s. go to the bottom of that page and you will find a listng for nam with different years. click on the appropriate year and you will get a listing of all crashes that happened that year, along with listing of crew and official cause of the crash paul
oglesby, il USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 19:08:34 (MST)
thats just it Rick,I dont have the tail number.I only know close to the date it happened.
USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 17:50:57 (MST)
Fred I have the CD on that, if you have the tail # I can get the info if it is in the gold book. Not all incedent reports are there. H models have the pitot tube on the top. some D models were converted. from t53-L11 to T53L13's. We had A models converted to B models also by putting L 9s. Gus can confirnm that on the gunships. We had no cobras at that time. Any info on any shipo in RVN including cranes, lohs, 58s, and 34s can forget the shithooks.
USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 07:21:20 (MST)
yep. since yesterday I found the difference was an upgraded engine ,(L-53 to L-13) and yes,the pitoct moved to the roof,which they did on D models after 66 anyway.
USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 05:42:42 (MST)
Fred A...is that the one you were talking about the other day that was droped in the ocean????
USA - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 20:01:23 (MST)
Hey Fred. Maybe somehow the VHPA web page might be able to help. Look for a link to Gary Roush. He is the webmaster and holds all the info on ship. Called the Gold Book. He likes to have the tail number to look things up, but maybe there is a way to look it up by incident. I dont know, but maybe brother. None of the tail stock numbers we have list a incident like that??
USA - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 19:59:45 (MST)
Hey Alvis.. Hi And I hope Susan is doing well.. The main diff between a H and a D was the L-13 engine and the overhead peto(?) tube. At least as I remember.. We had mainly D models untill the first part of 68. I remember flying a old D down to Siagon and getting a new H.. Sure was a lot of difference with the extra couple hundred horses!!.. Take care.. I am going to see whats on the CHAT page... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 19:08:11 (MST)
thank you melody for the card, and mark...thanks bud.Ok, is there anyway of finding out the tail number of the ship that was lost being carried back to lane,in late dec.71 or early jan of 72? The one me and gabby were on? It could of been a "D" model but kinda think it was a "H" model. I cant even remember the difference between a "d" and a "H" model anymore.Does sliding doors,a passenger door behind the pilots seats and a "L- 13 lycoming engine make sense, and the gunners well.
USA - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 18:58:48 (MST)
Wink! I know where your coming from brother. Also there are others here Thats what makes us brothers. Brother
Sassy Rick England
USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 14:28:47 (MST)
Hey Barry, how about the "Wink Watusee".hehehehehehehehehehehehe.............
USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 13:49:55 (MST)
Question????..... Do we have any lawyers in the group? I have a legal question I would like to ask back channel. Willing to pay for service. contact me at my home address email@example.com or call me at 419-733-3154. Thanks............God Bless.......always a brother..............
USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 09:25:49 (MST)
the "wink shuffle" i like that. now if i can remember how's it gose i'll be ok. crs i've got it bad. just as long as i don't forget how to play golf i'm ok,i think.don't know if kids are coming to reunion, both have jobs now. dam they're growing to fast.now that kristina as her license an gave her the mustang she got a part time job after school don't see much of her, just like ryan. oh welllife gose on, hey.=======fred hang in there brother, it'll get wrost before it get better, so hang in there.==== its seems life for all of us who made it through veitnam the lord has put a lot of hurtles in our path. i don't know if it's because we fought an taken lives or that becaues we are stronger because of veitnam and he knows we can handle it . but in any case i wish he wouild ease up a little on some of us. i know my life has been no picnic since nam but the only thing i can think of is that it's made me a better person, it think.sorry to get so deep. must go to better subject, reunion san antonio. making reservantion today. see you all thanwink with love from from 010 3/69-10/70
lake wales, fl USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 09:24:15 (MST)
Art, the biggest sharks I ever saw were just off shore from Vung Ro pass( just south of tuy Hoa) close to the sunken jap frieghter from ww2.Somewhere in the mist of time,I lost the pics of that area.
USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 06:38:41 (MST)
Hi Brother this has nothing to do with the 129th I seen some big sharks down where the old ships were near quin nhon.
Art foster <t>
hogansville, GA USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 19:59:56 (MST)
kathy; at least you only have to prove dates, the army claims that i was never in the 498th. i think i've got it i must have dreamt it.seems a little vivid to have been a dream. i'm trying to research morning reports now.you have to request them out of st louis and then wait for 3-4 months for them to send you a bill and then when you pay the bill, you have to wait for them to send them to you.i wish i had the time off, i would drive down there and research it my self. give me acall sometime(815)883 3327
oglesby, il USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 11:57:43 (MST)
Gale, Yeah.those stories do warm my heart and bring Larry close. I do enjoy hearing them.........NOW, whats this about "THE WINK SHUFFLE"?....I must have missed something at the gig in INDY..........Gale, I really like the idea of the 129th doing all the stuff in San Antonio together. I love all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 09:43:55 (MST)
Mark, sure it hurts, but, I'm sure that you enjoy hearing those stories of Larry..........that's his way of sharing with you. Fred & Susan, the bond that you two have and that's been seen by some of us will help get you through all if this. You guys are always in our thoughts....hang tuff. Well flight, I have our reservations for LZ San Antonio. We'll be getting there on Wed, but, have friends to visit that eveing in Austin. Maybe we can take a few of our vehicles and take a tour of own instead of wasting so much time on the bus tour!? Everyone been practicing their version of the "WINK" dance????? LOL
US of A - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 08:21:18 (MST)
Kathy, as Fred stated, positive things have happened through this home of the 129th. Stick with it and God Bless.............Fred and Susan, continued prayers........mixed emotions today.........we just worked on a truck that belongs to one of Larry's ole' drinkin' buddies from the past. I brought him into the office and showed him this site and some photos of Larry and you all. He opened up and told me a few funny stories of Larry and their drinkin' excursions. Glad to hear any story I can of Larry that I havnt heard before but along with that comes a deep dark vacum of loss inside of me that I try to avoid. I probably shouldnt avoid it. It hurts..........but, thats the way it goes. I ask for it now didnt I? As the storys are told, I can see Larry........................
USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 07:57:11 (MST)
keep at them Kathy.I am still trying as well.There have been succuss stories in here,so its still hopeful for us.
USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 06:20:46 (MST)
Kathy that's a hard battle also at the VA. Ask for a reevaluation instead of appeal. Appeals take to long sometimes that works. Talk to your service officer about it.
USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 06:16:25 (MST)
George, I hope you see this message of hope and good luck before your surgery tommorow. It was nice talking with you again last week. We will be thinking of you and your wife tomorrow and the following days hoping that all turns out great. Fred and Susan, my wishes of luck go out to both of you to on your long journey. I see your posts every day and I feel that your love and courage will help Susan beat this monster. Kenneth got his letter of denial for ptsd a month ago. They siad they are sure he has ptsd but that it certainly wasnt service related. It seems the army records have him stationed at Qui Nhon and a litter bearer for 6 months, when in reality he was at Lane Field for 3 months in the motor pool for the last 3 months of that time and never carried a litter even though his original MOS was medic. Trying to prove the records of the 498th are wrong is gonna be a long road and sure isnt helping his ptsd either. Im here everyday and feel like a part of your family, even if I seldom post. Luck to each and all. Kathy
Ken and Kathy Blevins <
South Point, OH USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 03:01:55 (MST)
thanks everyone for the well wishes and e-mails.I was just feeling kinda helpless yesterday,and proud.Well,today Susan ask me to cut her hair,her scalp was just to sensitive to support hair.Believe me, I am in no way,to be considered a barber.I now jokingly call her tiger cause of all the strips I left after cutting her hair with sissors.She is now one of those ladies you sometimes see with bandanas on their heads.Ok, I have the next 2 days off and am going to try to call irs with the many questions I have about the fed form I have to fill out for tax exempt.Ron stopped work last week and i showed him the form.Like me, he just shook his head. But, its progressing,slowly,but still going forward.Havent heard from the state yet,should be soon.Now I know why lawers make such big bucks,they have to simply to buy enough asprin for the headaches they get from reading federal forms.I think I ran into my first "wannabe" desert storm" person.He told me he " caught" ptsd over there then ask me if i knew what it was.smile.I told hime ,"yes,I was a door gunner in Nam and have been fighting va since 86".He then when on to tell me how is father was a "3 or 5 tour nam vet".Now,this may have been true,but I kinda $%$#@!@# doubt it.Shaking my head here and thinking it sure does take all kinds in this world.I just dont understand the poor pitiful folks that need to do that.Mark,courage is found in many places ,in many different forms.Vietnam,or any battle field,is a breeding ground for it.Its also the breeding ground for the oppisite.The 129th,being in nature,a sometimes combat unit,usually exposed courage that we read about in books and admire...macho stuff,blood ,guts,bullets flying,going into incomming fire cause folks were depending on you,or simply flying,day after day,hour after hour.But there is also a quiet,personal courage.You saw it in both Steve and Susan Spencer at the xmas party last year.Fear knows no boundries,we see it every day in our lives.It can sometimes be mixed with courage.It usually is.It doesnt take a coward to put the bottle down,but a act of courage.It doesnt matter what the act is based on..love,desperation,friendship,duty,knowing whats right,or simply servival.
USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 21:12:20 (MST)
My thoughts and prayers are with you Fred and Susan. God Bless and Keep you both strong. Had a wonderful birthay party yesterday. With mine on the 4th and my wife's dad on the 9th, we celebrated it together yesterday. Great food and and great family. WOrking on finishing the house addition. All trip and doors are hung. Have just a few spots to repaint then finishe with all but the bathroom tile. Well Take care.
Rick Jensen <RickardAllanJensen@cox.net>
NM USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 11:43:51 (MST)
Dont forget, if you have moved or changed your e-mail address please send new info to me at < firstname.lastname@example.org >.....................always a brother, ma
USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 10:32:11 (MST)
Isn't that a great forward that Cpt Jack Alexander put in here!!!!!!!!!!
USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 10:31:04 (MST)
Sounds as if you certainly do have a wonderful wife...and that she has a wonderful husband.
Just try to maintain altitude and keep it straight and level, son...straight and level. That's about the best we can do.
My best wishes,
USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 10:07:58 (MST)
Fred and Susan we pray for you everyday. I know it's tough. I have seen so many go through the cancer treatments. And it hurts me to see what all of you have go through. But, keep the faith and remember all of us Love and Pray for you all daily. Susan, when Fred made you part of his life, you also became part of ours. Your family!! You and Fred are both strong and will make it through this. We are here for you both. Kal, I could log in to the chat room. But, couldn't do any responding to you all last night. Will try again this week. Robbie,Ray,Rainer hope everything is going good for you all. Gently always glad to hear from you. Glad to see our new Brothers posting. June is getting closer. Always A Brother!! Alex
Collierville, TN USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 07:32:50 (MST)
Susan, I read your wonderful husband's account of your trails.......I have tears in my eyes. When Fred compared it to "The Courage" in Vietnam, there was a roar in my ears that went down to my heart and turned me insideout as a exploding star becomes a black hole.We pray for you sister and brother. Praise God , Morning has broken.
USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 06:26:50 (MST)
Alvis, Hang tough brother! My dad is going through Chemo too, and it's hard on everyone. But remember it WILL get better, and Susan will improve as the shock of the treatments wear off.Our prayers are with you, Greg and Family
Puna, HI USA - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 00:40:11 (MST)
Alvis, so sorry Susan has to go through this. Still praying for her everyday. I was wondering as well....do you think I could make her a little something? I know her skin is sensitive but I would like to make her something. Let me know if you think that would be ok. Hope all are doing well. Apricot trees are bloomed out here only to be freezed out in a few weeks or so. Other than that been doing pretty well.
Melody Pershall <m e l o d y 1 1 8 1 @ y a h o o . c o m>
Amarillo, TX USA - Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 20:58:26 (MST)
chemo day + 2.The reactions to chemo ,week 2 have already begun.Its a day early.Last night as I took my after work shower,Susan stood in front of the bathroom mirror,running her fingers thru her hair.Gobs of it were comming off in her hand.She was still doing it when i finished showering.This evening,returning home from work,I saw my beautiful wife with hair thaT was as thin as a 70 year old mans.There are bald patches,the bangs are gone.She went outside and the wind was blowing,lifting her hair in the breeze.It hurt her almost to tears,her scalp is so sensitive.I rubbed her back sholders,or tried to,the pain is like a bad sunburn.She has a cough.She has the runs.she has nausea.She is very tired,3 naps today,is sleeping now in front of the tv.She only eats enough for an eight year old.She has lost 9 pounds this past 2 weeks.She has crying spells.She gets ulcers in her mouth and throat.Her nails are turning white and cracking.Her eyes feel like sand is in them.Yet,thet lady is still trying on help people in the cancer site she goes into.That lady is still trying to keep a well kept house.She wants to cook for me,give me a nice supper.Courage is found in many places,I saw alot of it in vietnam,I see it today.Damn, i have a wonderful wife.
USA - Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 20:14:49 (MST)
Goodevening Flight: Welcome Home Crash!! Hope you can make the reunion in June. Capt. Jack good to see you post. Sorry we couldn't hit the same LZ last year when I was home in Ohio. Fred glad you and Susan got the card, Liz and I justed you to know that we are thinking and praying for you both. Your Family!! Well a beautiful day here in Tennesse. Wished I could have shared it with everyone. Looking forward to a great turn out this year in San Antonio. Take Care and Have a wonderful day!! Alex
Collierville, TN. USA - Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 17:51:25 (MST)
Shit... I mean to beat undefeated Illinois. Must have had another senior moment.
Rochester, NY USA - Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 12:07:58 (MST)
Congrats to the Buckeyes. I couldn't believe they came back to be undefeated Illinois.
Rochester, NY USA - Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 12:06:28 (MST)
Thought you Guys would like this!!!!!!!!!!
I'm forwarding this E-mail, because after reading it I know that it could easily been sent to any one of you and not to me. I would also like to add a special thinks to all of you, for all the times you were there for me then and for the friendship we now sheer. God Bless You All, Baron
From: R D
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Hello from the past!
Pete, I seriously doubt you will remember me from our shared days in VietNam, but I have wondered for more than a few years how you made out after I left. I was callsign "Crash" from the 1st Slick Platoon, and don't think I ever took the time to actually thank you for all the times you covered my butt on insertions, and at least once that I doubt I would have survived without you getting between me and a nasty gook looking to shorten my flying career. So, thank you on behalf of my wonderful wife, children, and grandchildren!
Last night I got home from my 7 day hitch, and the phone rang. It was one of my gunners who had been looking for me for years, and finally found me. We had a pretty good conversation, but it was sad, too, when I found out my crew chief didn't make it. I was there the day he volunteered to fly low bird on a sniffer mission and they were shot to doll rags. I pulled them out, and flew them to the hospital, but he never left it, and I never knew until yesterday. Anyway, I used some of the info he gave me, and started looking for someone that could help me find you. Cobra Bishop was the first attempt, and I hit paydirt! So, here I am still in Lafayette after all these years and still hoping to find out how you have been doing.
I hope I haven't dredged up bad memories, but I couldn't delay this any longer. I have worked for PHI since May '71, and have thought of you every single time I drove to Morgan City all these years. Unfortunately, I didn't have a last name to go with your callsign, and all I really remembered was you were from there. Are you still living near, or in MCY? I would really enjoy getting together for dinner some time, not really to rehash old times, but to see an old friend that I feel like I have a debt I cannot ever repay. If you can bear to have dinner with someone from the past, let me know and I'll give you a call next weekend when I get back to work. Take care...
Richard "Crash" Laughlin
Jack D Alexander <CPTJAC@msn.com>
Medina, OH USA - Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 07:51:09 (MST)
Rick... I didn't download anything.. When the chat page comes up I just click on the "here" in the line that says "to use the interface that they have" and I think it is the end of the second instruction line on the first page. And Jim.. I didn't see you last night..??.. I won't be on tonight as dinner and a movie are whats happenin.. Later... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 15:04:45 (MST)
Hi Crash it Art wasgood talking to you the other night it took me to 3am when Iwent to sleep . how thes web sight a bunch of old brothers here. I like to have your e mail to put in my address book. I am at my daughter app. take care CRASH how come they call you crash.
arthur foster <email@example.com>
hogansville, ga USA - Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 12:37:37 (MST)
Do I need to disable my firewall????
USA - Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 08:54:45 (MST)
Its dummy again how do you adjust your broswer to allow chat in?????? The 20.00 was for registering on MICR after I downloaded it.
USA - Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 08:42:28 (MST)
thanks Alex,we received the card.
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 20:04:37 (MST)
Hey Rick.. $20.00 bucks for what? Go to the Microsoft upgrade site and get all the updates for XP and U should be good to go.. Ok Jim,I will be lookin for you tonight..
C U L8r... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 18:48:11 (MST)
They want 20.oo should I pay it?????I have 2000xp. Thats my problem.
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 17:17:49 (MST)
Rich, Finally!!! We can now account for all four of us who came in country together on 4-17-70. Cups, North, You and me. It is good to see you are still around. I stay in contact via e-mail and phone with Tim Vreeman and John Wechs. Plus Fred Skaggs, a gunner in 2nd plt who lives in Raliegh. Keep in touch. My info is on the contact page. Snapper
Lake Norman, NC USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 15:27:25 (MST)
Crash welcome HOME, are you a PHI pilot, i also had some friends that went to work for them in the late 70's in maint. Rick Jensen i will add your e-mail to my buddy list maby i'll catch up with ya. Kal i'll try again tonight to hook up with you guys. Spring is in the air, think i'll go enjoy some for awhile,,,,take care "THINKTEXAS"
SAV, GA USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 14:27:48 (MST)
Welcome home "Crash" !!!! Gently, do you have another "BOA" that will go with Ricks plaid jammies? I'm kind of afraid of how he may show up at Kokomo this year....hehhheeehheheehhe!!
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 14:09:40 (MST)
Welcome home Richard Laughlin!! Hey, do U by chance fly the Oil-rig route? If so do U know a Charles Bogard? He was a room mate of mine in flight school and has been doing that for years.. Anyway, Welcome Home!! The chatroom works well for me. I am running "XP" here and what I need must be built in, as I didn't have to download anything. I would say that what version you are running would determine if you need to download something extra.
The chat room looks like a nice way to have a "face to face". As far as the time goes, I am on EST and it was 9 PM EST when we linked up last night. Take care all and hope to catch U on chat..
Alex... No, I haven't heard any more from Jim West. He was a gunny pilot in 67-68 when we were there. Looks like he is only abt 10 miles from you. He did fly med helis and says he is in matenance now.That phone number you gave me is his, give him a call.
C U L8r.. Kal....>>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 14:07:54 (MST)
hey that 9 pm time for the chat room,what time zone is that? i,ll try to make it tonite
oglesby, il USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 11:55:01 (MST)
Welcome "Crash!" You're home now:>)) Hey, Mel....the items you make will be for Rick England so use your better judgement. OHHHHH BABEEEEE LOL!!! I'm going to try the chat room thing...sure... L-Gently
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 10:51:47 (MST)
This internet chat stuff is real cool. But why re-invent the wheel. The windows MSN Messenger is already part of the operating system. There is nothing extra you have to download and you can have multiple people in your chat. And what is cooler yet, you can have visual and audio chat also!!!! All you have to do is set up a free hotmail account. Then in messenger you can set up a group called 129th and when anyone from the 129th that is on your contact list signs in a little notice pops up. If anyone would like to know any more info on this just send me your phone number and I will give you a call, or if you have msn messenger and want some info my contact is RickardAllanJensen@hotmail.com. I use it alot to talk with my daughters in Minnesota and Colorado. That way I can talk and see them and the grand children. Anyway it's a beautiful day. Turned 53 today. Life is wonderful. God Bless and take care.
Rick Jensen <RickardAllanJensen@cox.net>
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 09:50:13 (MST)
What a surprise I had last night...Arthur Foster, a former gunner from the 129th that flew with me on many missions called to say hello. After a nice conversation, he informed of this web site. I couldn't wait to take a look, and then got my second surprise of the evening. One of my pics was posted with a ? asking who. The pic is posted under Bill Hewitt's pics, and is on page 6, photo #7 on the page. I am flying right seat and looking over my left shoulder for the photo. It would please me a great deal if you could put my ID on the pic, in hopes other former friends would know I am still around and kicking...and yes, still flying choppers for a living!
Richard "Crash" Laughlin <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Lafayette, LA USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 09:38:30 (MST)
I did mirc and I get this: Please grant the permission when the pop up window appears from your web browser.
I am lost. Maybe later.
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 09:20:36 (MST)
Thanks brother You can install both mirc or just irc. I am going to try irc first.
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 09:03:33 (MST)
Rick, me be a dummy also here....not sure what to tell you because I am at work and it tells me the same thing. I'll fuss with this computer here today and see what I can come up with. I know that you do need to have a IRC program of some kind installed though. Go to the mirc home page and see what it says.................at home the room works good for me.
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 09:00:55 (MST)
Do I need to download the mirc? I click where you said and it says to allow broswer.??????I am the dummie here on the puter
USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 08:31:59 (MST)
Don: Good talking to you. I will have to check the tune-in for the picture. Wished they would have caught the other side. My POW/MIA pin is on the collar. I have made the POW/MIA pin as part of my uniform. Nobody has told me to remove it yet. Start 24 years with Autozone in May 2nd. Time seems to flying by. Mark: I guess they needed a picture to throw darts at!! or to see if I really work Ha!! As far as the chat room we need to try and set a certain time. I really miss the Bunker Hill we had years ago. It was easy to get there. Kal have you heard any more from the pilot James Smith? It would be nice to have him at the reunion. By all sounds of things. We are going to have a great turn out. Of coarse every year gets better. To the rest of our 129th Family have a great day!! And a safe weekend. Always A Brother Alex
Collierville, TN USA - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 06:24:04 (MST)
Gently, tell me when and i'll have them made for you. Would be happy to help. Not sure what i'd make but i'd think of something!
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 23:08:04 (MST)
he was just showing off Mark LOL ............ I go to the chat room and I'm by my self, no fun chatting to yourself
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 21:27:48 (MST)
Thats cool Alex..how come ya was in there?
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:38:54 (MST)
So Alex..you hit the big time AutoZone Gazzett hey!
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:38:24 (MST)
Alex, it was great talking to you today. it really was a surprize to see your pic in the company mag. I told everyone that I knew you. you don't see people you know in it very often. we have had our DM for about 3 years now. it is REALLY time for a change. my store managers usually last less than a year but we can't seem to get rid of this turkey of a DM. OH WELL life goes on. Later, Don
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:37:12 (MST)
The CHAT link will bring up a page of programs that you may have to download one to make it work. If you already have a program clink on the one that says "to use the internet face click here".click there............and hilight and delete the "GUEST" and put your name there and then click "ENTER"
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:31:30 (MST)
Rick........3rd link down.....click CHAT
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:25:17 (MST)
Rick...on the front page there is a chat link now.....click it and read
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:24:34 (MST)
how do I get into chat????
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:10:50 (MST)
happy days are here again I am getting 41.5KBSon my modem. The desert can be an isolation.hehehehehehehehe
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:06:35 (MST)
Lenny.....GOD BLESS your son.................
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:02:10 (MST)
Just came from the CHAT ROOM yackin' with Kal and CP.........awesome thing ya all...try it out.......check it out every night around 9:00. It works all the time but 9:00 PM would be a good time for lots to meet there and have some fun and good times.........Lenny A...that boonie hat sounds cool. You gonna bring it to TX and show us it?...take care all.......always a brother..........
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 20:00:45 (MST)
hey kal, sorry but i was unable to answer back, guess i'll need to read up. i'll watch and see if i can pick from the commo,,,,gettin close,,,stickman
SAV, GA USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 18:48:11 (MST)
G'day Bite N'Strikers.Pray all is well with you & yours. Had a "Buttlight"(colonoscophy)done today. All the pipes are clear.I had promised my wife & sons for 2years I'd go.I would suggest everyone over 50yrs get checked. If for nothing else, peace of mind./// Capt.Hall's callsign was "Grace". I flew with him on several CA'S, including the Cambodia push in 70. He was 1st Flt.Plt.leader,later on he was Co.XO..My son Lenny Jr.stationed in Kuwait just mailed me a desert "Boonie"hat. He included..get this:a 129th AHC patch,& a 1st AVN.BDE.patch desert subdued. Don't know how he did it, but It's awesome! Have to run 4now. Luv to all,stay safe, Clear Up!! Lenny
Leonard Adams <email@example.com>
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 17:18:08 (MST)
Hey Mark.. I was just on the chat page and it works for me.. I hope to be back on it tonight at 9 and meet up with you there.. Later...Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 15:14:07 (MST)
WE NOW HAVE A CHAT ROOM ON THE FRONT PAGE. LETS TRY IT OUT LATER TONIGHT. I'LL BE ON LINE AFTER 2100............................
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 13:35:35 (MST)
Rick: appreciate the info. Want something when I go see the DVA rep. at the VA. don you don't want the DM we now. He'll make yours look like a angel!! But, hopefully the will be switching them soon. Here in the Memphis area they switch every 8 or 12 months. Need to get another Vet as a DM. We hang together. Hope everyone has a Great Day!! Always A Brother Alex
USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 07:45:51 (MST)
Here they are from the VVA.org++++WARNING: This list may change. For more information, please refer to the
VA web site on Agent Orange (http://www.vba.va.gov/bln/21/benefits/Herbicide/AOno3.htm)
Peripheral neuropathy (acute and sub-acute)
Diabetes Type II
Spina Bifida in children of Vietnam Veterans
Chloracne [within one year of leaving Vietnam]
Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, including any diagnosis of a lymphoma [except Hodgkin’s lymphoma], mycosis fungoides, and old terms such as lymphosarcoma, reticulum cell sarcoma, and Kaposi's sarcoma
Porphyria cutanea tarda [within one year of leaving Vietnam]
Respiratory cancers, including cancer of the
Note: There used to be a requirement that these cancers had to manifest within 30 years of leaving Vietnam. The 30-year requirement has been rescinded.
Soft Tissue Sarcomas, including:
Malignant fibrous histiocytoma
Epithelioid leiomyosarcoma (malignant leiomyoblastoma)
Angiosarcoma (hemangiosarcoma and lymphangiosarcoma)
Proliferating (systemic) angioendo- theliomatosis
Malignant glomus tumor
Synovial sarcoma (malignant synovioma)
Malignant giant cell tumor of tendon sheath
Malignant schwannoma, including malignant schwannoma with rhabdomyoblastic differentiation (malignant Triton tumor), glandular and epithelioid malignant schwannomas
Malignant granular cell tumor
Alveolar soft part sarcoma
Clear cell sarcoma of tendons and aponeuroses
Extraskeletal Ewing’s sarcoma
Congenital and infantile fibrosarcoma
Under the VA rule, soft tissue sarcoma does not include osteosarcoma, chondrosarcoma, Kaposi’s sarcoma, or mesothelioma.
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USA - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 07:33:53 (MST)
Amen Alex, retail is "fun" Monday we had a PSM and me for a total of 5 hours, ( I was supposed to be running commercial but couldn't deliver because of the minimum staffing requirement). Tuesday it was a PSM and me and comm. driver for 4 hours. this is getting very old very fast. would you like to trade DM's ? Later, Don
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 20:05:11 (MST)
Goodmorning Flight: Well my Better Half Liz is on her way to Indy for a 4 hour meeting then back to Memphis, walk to another gate and flys to San Antonio for a few days. Busy day for her. Glad to see all the Commo. Glad some getting well!! Susan and Fred we will over come this cancer!! Faith!! Remember were here for you both. Rick do have any documentation that has been put out about some of the illness we got in Nam? trying to get as much as I can to build a file for the VA. Ray and Donnie take care. They will also get you both fixed up and be healthy. Will going back to work . Close tonight. Had to up up because the opening mgr. was 1 1/2 hours late. Retail you have to love it!! Huh!! Fred and Don Miller kmows what I mean. Take Care. Always A Brother Alex
Collierville, TN USA - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 09:28:19 (MST)
Mornin' Flight...........hope all is well..........Fred...Thanks for all you have done brother. Prayers for both you and Sue................Kal.we will have to get together and discuss ridin' plans to TX. Anybody else gonna ride where we can meet up with some where along the way and ride in as a group?............
USA - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 08:40:56 (MST)
HEY RICK, NOT TRYING TO HIDE,,JUST WANTING YOU KNOW THAT I SURE GOT A GOOD LAUGH. MAN DID I HAVE A NICE DAY AT WORK. THE SIMULATOR HAS JUST BEEN UPDATED WITH NEW HOST PUTERS AND VISUAL SYSTEM. MY JOB IS MAINT. BUT TODAY I GOT TO FLY AND WORK WITH THE INSTRUCTORS WHILE THEY LEARNED THE NEW SYSTEM. SURE WAS FUN FOR A CHANGE. LATER, JIM AKA STICKMAN
sav, ga USA - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 18:42:23 (MST)
Harrell it wil be great to see you again! Pete....it will be great to see you there. James and all the others who stopped in to visit on the web...your next step is the re-uinion. Info on the re-union is on the main 129th web page. See you there. Mel, let's raffel some of that "stuff " off for the Christmas fund next year! Anyone need help getting to the re-union or know someone who does? Let me know(firstname.lastname@example.org). It's all confidential:>)) Always has been always will be. And again, thanks to all of you who contributed....you are angels. Fred and Sue, we're still praying. Love to all-Gently
USA - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 15:11:25 (MST)
Hey Cue, will be good to see you there brother..............Rick.OH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USA - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 11:10:18 (MST)
LOL You should have seen me with those dangley ear plugs turned all the guys on espically with the crossed bandalers of m-60s. OOOOOOOH baby hehehehehehehe Gale I don't want to take your personel collection away from you.hehehehehehe Hey sticks don't try and hide now.hehehehehe Good laugh is good for the soul. Be careful out there
USA - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 07:28:53 (MST)
Just made reservations for San Antonio. Looking forward to seeing all you guys again.
Groves, Tx USA - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 06:43:16 (MST)
which procedure are you having? and let me know if it works. i have the same problem
called (bph) benign prostatic hyerplasia, looking at the prolieve thermodilatation sytem.
so let me know how yours works out. hate taking pills. thanks donnie
donnie purvis <email@example.com>
lexington, nc USA - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 04:49:07 (MST)