LOL!! I make mainly bracelets and dangly earrings. A necklace everyonce in a while. Nothing artsy fartsy :o)
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 22:07:46 (MST)
thanks for the laughs gale, i needed that. you know i can kinda picture rick,,ah never mind. spring is in the air and just around the corner,,,it's almost like planting a garden and waiting for the wonderful harvest,,,it's jun and tx. take care all
sav, ga USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 19:59:25 (MST)
Rick, I'll sell you a cute pair of ear-rings that will look adorable on you!! I doubt Debbie will even miss them....Heehhe hehhheeehehhehheheheeeeeehhhee!!!!
USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 16:34:03 (MST)
Fred Thank you for your work. This will help allot. Melody what kindof jewelry do you make?
Rick England
USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 16:22:53 (MST)
Hey Ray! It is great to see you post! I don't think I will be able to make the reunion. There is a chance but it seems very slim. It will depend on how my grandpa is doing at that time. Hoping something happens and that i'll be able too. I need my teeth worked on so it will depend on that allot too. Been busy lately. Making allot of jewelry....hoping to sell some. Also have made a few journals for a few friends. Hope that everyone is doing well. Still praying for many of ya'll.
Melody Pershall <m e l o d y 1 1 8 1 @ y a h o o . c o m>
Amarillo, TX USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 13:15:36 (MST)
g'day mark. The 129th papers have been turned into the State for Non profit,non- tax,status.Went to the federal building as well.first to re-activate my ptsd cliam (disagree),then went downstairs to the feds tax ofice.The line was to long for my alloted time frame,so will drive back downtown in the morning. I am going to make copies of all the paperwork I have concerning the '129th ahc org.'and send copies to Mark,Gently and Alex.This stuff needs to be in a few hands in case my house burns down or something.The more minds that see it,the more ideas can be born.opps, time for work,will report again tomorrow.The papers contain tax numbers,that shouldnt be put up for public disclosure in here.
USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 11:29:21 (MST)
Good day all...............................
USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 11:05:50 (MST)
alex,beats me what was wrong with the car.I tore it down,inspected for torn,broken or used up parts.finding none of the above,I buttoned up the timming covers,replaced enough stuff for "full tune-up" ,took lose fuel lines and pumped out fuel to make sure it was working. After buttoning up everything,the thing started.Last friday,time got out of hand (as happens in life) ,so I didnt get downtown to turn in the papers.Monday(tommorow) i close at work,so will take papers downtown and hand them off,then scoot over to federal tax place,report taxes for the 129th assoc for "04"(none)and start the ball rolling for federal non tax status.I apoligise for the time lag,but much has happened personaly.I have till friday,then susan gets another "drip",so i will make the most of it.Will report tomorow on progress.
USA - Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 16:43:21 (MST)
RAY <>
md USA - Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 10:10:49 (MST)
Rick, just joined it, interested in seeing whats there, Mark any word when the rest of the pictures I sent you will be posted, 24 working days left before I retire, and stay in delaware,
lou rags
dover, de USA - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 19:29:38 (MST)
Louis I see you signed on to Vet Friends, Did you join?
Rick England
USA - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 05:56:13 (MST)
Don just might be more than last year. This is the criteria for Ptsd at the VA by %************ General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders: > Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: 100 > gross impairment in thought processes or communication; persistent > delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; > persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent inability > to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of > minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory > loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name > Occupational and social impairment, with deficiencies in most areas, 70 > such as work, school, family relations, judgment, thinking, or mood, > due to such symptoms as: suicidal ideation; obsessional rituals >which > interfere with routine activities; speech intermittently illogical, > obscure, or irrelevant; near-continuous panic or depression >affecting > the ability to function independently, appropriately and >effectively; > impaired impulse control (such as unprovoked irritability with > periods of violence); spatial disorientation; neglect of personal > appearance and hygiene; difficulty in adapting to stressful > circumstances (including work or a worklike setting); inability to > establish and maintain effective relationships > Occupational and social impairment with reduced reliability and 50 > productivity due to such symptoms as: flattened affect; > circumstantial, circumlocutory, or stereotyped speech; panic attacks > more than once a week; difficulty in understanding complex commands; > impairment of short- and long-term memory (e.g., retention of only > highly learned material, forgetting to complete tasks); impaired > judgment; impaired abstract thinking; disturbances of motivation and > mood; difficulty in establishing and maintaining effective work and > social relationships > Occupational and social impairment with occasional decrease in work 30 > efficiency and intermittent periods of inability to perform > occupational tasks (although generally functioning satisfactorily, > with routine behavior, self-care, and conversation normal), due to > such symptoms as: depressed mood, anxiety, suspiciousness, panic > attacks (weekly or less often), chronic sleep impairment, mild >memory > loss (such as forgetting names, directions, recent events) > Occupational and social impairment due to mild or transient symptoms 10 > which decrease work efficiency and ability to perform occupational > tasks only during periods of significant stress, or; symptoms > controlled by continuous medication > A mental condition has been formally diagnosed, but symptoms are not 0 > severe enough either to interfere with occupational and social > functioning or to require continuous medication
Rick England
USA - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 05:28:19 (MST)
Mark... Mark... Mark .......... that was really bad. but I do have to admit, it did make me laugh. Alex it is fun trying to find out what is wrong with some of the cars people bring in but the best one yet was thursday ...... this guy wanted a set of sparkplugs, no problem we sell a lot of plugs, but when I handed them to him he asked (with a strait face mind you) "these go in the engine don't they ?" really makes you wonder if he should be trying to work on his own car. I had to go in the office for a minute just so I could compose my self. most people just need a little nudge in the right direction to figure out what is wrong. heck I am supposed to be the diagnostic specialist in the store and with the newer cars I need help too. but that guy really floored me. on another note: after talking to the VA wednesday the guy I was working with wants me to have a PTSD evaluation. I guess with everything kind of came to a head while I was in there with him. maybe last year was rougher on me than I thought. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 22:12:58 (MST)
There no post in Anartica, that's a pole...............ha,ha,ha,ha,hahheheheheheheheheh
USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 20:05:10 (MST)
animal; i would be willing to bet that there is a vfw post in the phillipines also.we used to own that country didn't we?
paul mcgrath
oglesby, il USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 19:07:14 (MST)
Well, you got me there Kim! American Samoa VFW Post 03391 is 14 degrees, 20 minutes SOUTH of the equator. I wonder if there's a post in Antarctica ? LOL, Greg
Puna, HI USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 18:55:07 (MST)
Just got in from Nashville, union business. Now I guess I can say that my life is complete, I've been to the grand ole oprey!!! .....Read the correction on the 206, is the huey the 204?? My mistake. BTW, Animal, is American Somoa south of Hawaii? Maybe THEY have the southernmost VFW??? LOL..Alvis, it makes no difference if you own a Lamborghini countache, a Ferrari Testarosa, or a 67 chevy biscayne, they're all trouble!
Livermore, Me USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 15:54:32 (MST)
Melody, I bet Jim Bowie thought the Alamo was getting crowded also! LOL Greg
Puna, HI USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 10:55:08 (MST)
Fred: What was finally wrong with the car? Be careful on getting some the newer models. Everything is computerized. Including the charging systems on the Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler. Just make sure your able to work on it. Melody I would appreciate the links you found. My email is Like everyone else. Playing tag with the VA. But, will keep trying. Liz with be in San Antonio on bussiness. She will check things out. She has been there quite a few times. Well hope you all have a wonderful day. Like Don Miller have to help folks repair their cars and trucks at autozone. All do do is give advice and figure out the problem so they don't throw away their money. Right Don!! Always A Brother Alex
Collierville, TN. USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 08:07:47 (MST)
A person I know shared allot of address to write to for all sorts of records. If anyone wants the link to it let me know. The bad thing about the Alamo is the crowd. It is always crowded. I liked allot of the other missions and such. The river walk is fun but crowded. If you are able to get down town they do have a trolley that rides around down town....very cheap. Lots of fun things to do down there but very busy and very crowded.
Amarillo, TX USA - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 22:47:12 (MST)
thanks alex. dragged the car home,fixed it,going to trade it off hopefully.Took darn near 3 days of "spare" time to fix it.Still havent dropped off the papers yet,believe it or not,been to busy to get downtown.maybe tomorrow,tho a full day is looming already.Jim, received your letter but havent had a chance to fully read it yet,thanks buddy,your a champ.Had to stay home yesterday and take care of Susan,she was one sick pup.feeling better now,temps gone back down. By next friday,we should be able to say if we can make the reunion or not. Susan really wants to so have my fingers crossed.I guess the whole world has heard of the alamo,and of course Texas, chuckle.Its kinda surprising just what the world has heard of us and this great country we live in.Welcome to the site newly arrived brothers.We been waiting on you.Come on in,grab a stump to sit on,get close to the fire,and relax.more brothers are comming every so often.Dont believe anybody but me or mark( and i sometimes supect him)
USA - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 21:31:34 (MST)
Fred: Sorry to the late response but, working a lot of hours. first hope you and susan id doing ok!! Now sounds like a few things first 3 things that keeps the car from running Air/fuel and fire. (1) Fuel pump but some models also have a fuel pump relay and a fuse. (2) Ingition control module won't let the ignition fire. Need to see if you are getting a good blue spark to the plugs. if so then the fuel pump or relay. Alex Reunion registration can be printed from the VHCMA web site. Mark Are you able to down load to the 129th site??
USA - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 11:11:48 (MST)
Mark I haven't change from the contact list. Don still be careful of the guys at the VA admin. center. Try the Vet center on 3st and Weldon ask for Joe little. Seeing a conseulor will help in your claim. Weldon is about 1 bloc east of central.Bill whelan you need to give Mark your info also.*******For you guys thinking about starting the VA go to the VVA site click on claim they have a good basic outline on how to get started. Flight be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 07:50:10 (MST)
well flight, I had a "fun" day at the VA today. actually it wasn't a bad day. I got some good news and some bad news ...... the good news is I found a rep that CARES .... he told me a few other things to do to get them to pay attention to my requests. so they are in the mail tomorrow morning. and for you guys in the Phoenix area if you go to the center on central the man to see is Art. he is a 4 tour vet with the 173rd. we had quite a talk and after the tears and the laughter. I think things are going to finally happen. the bad news was they don't have any record of me even being in the Arizona National Guard. and that is when I got hurt and started this whole mess. so I have made copies of everything I have and am going to send it to them. so that should take care of that. I only spent 11 1/2 years in the guard and with none of that showing up ....gee I wonder why they refused me. OH WELL things are looking up ......... Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 20:16:08 (MST)
Mark, sounds good to me. Anything to keep us all together for a while. Gale
USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 17:17:41 (MST)
Mr.Stone(Bartender).......A Stoned Bartender....that`s a new concept.....But Mr.Stone, my wife deleted your message with your e-mail address. Got bad news, you`re not the PP pilot on my Bronze Star. But got good news, you are on the Soldier Medal orders and also A Vietnamese Life Saving Cross( which is written in Vietnamese and english), so email me and I`ll send a copies.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 13:12:37 (MST)
Hey gang.....along with our own 129th pizza party, how about our own 129th trip to the Alamo. Course that would cut into the VHCMA donation. What do you think of that?
USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 11:31:54 (MST)
OK Jeff, modem is down at home today so will let you know..........
USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 11:03:11 (MST)
Mark, I just sent info. Let me know if you get it.
USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 09:18:17 (MST)
Ray my man..SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good to hear you talk that way brother. Thats great. I would say that thats one 129th corporate prayer answered. So lets keep on prayering for each other everyday.................Fred A. Hows it going?.........Ron D. Hows the search going for "Grace" of the 129th?.......Ron Paye????.get your butt on here. Need your address also.......................
USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 08:16:13 (MST)
MD USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 06:28:08 (MST) is Susan doing?.........did you find out what was the matter with the car?
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 21:31:09 (MST)
I vote for the idea of having a 129th mini/mini on Friday night too instead of the pizza party.....Would be a great time for us to all be together. I think more are present then anyways. Saterday some are out on the tours that the VHCMA has. It probably would be a better time to get the 129th group picture also............REMEMBER, I need everybodys e-mail addresses and any info that you would like to post in the CONTACTS page for an updateed page!!!!!!!!!
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:39:46 (MST)
Paul Mcgraph, and Gus...need your address info please..thanks.....
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:33:23 (MST)
Rick England.......need your address info please.....thanks
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:29:38 (MST)
Greg ( animal) Dave Powers.....need your address info....send to
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:27:06 (MST)
Kim, Fred Skaggs,.need your addys also
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:24:27 (MST)
Wink....yours also!
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:22:36 (MST)
Ron and Jammie. I need yours also..........thanks
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:21:54 (MST)
.............and anybody else that has new addys or the such. To those who have sent me info since beginning Feb. Thanks!!!!
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:19:46 (MST)
Bartender, Alvis, Smitty, Jeff ,Lou...please send me your e-mail address to update my personal address book and the CONTACTS section. Add any, or all, info you wish. Phone, home addy, the works. Send to a brother
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:18:40 (MST)
ABA , LOM NIG - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:14:25 (MST)
Baron, Shepard is in the 2003 Directory(gave my 2004 away so don't know about it)and he is also on in the "Contact List"
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 17:22:30 (MST)
I looked in the VHPA DIRECTORY and there was no listing for a Joe Sheperd.
Pete Nolen (Baron) <>
Maurice, LA USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 16:52:45 (MST)
Ron, I can not find my VHPA directory but some of the pilots on here may have one and can check and see if "Grace" is in there. You could also try posting on VHPA web site Looking For announcements. Someone my read it and know his where-a-bouts. If I find mine I'll check. Take Care, Snapper
Jeff Sauers
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 13:27:38 (MST)
You are absolutely right. His name was "Grace" and the Good Shepherd was the 2nd flight platoon leader about the same time. Thanks for the feedback - now let's find him!! Ron
Ron DeBates
Big Timber, MT usa - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 12:18:28 (MST)
Ron Debates, could the 1st Plt Ldr have been Joe Shepard, he took over from me when I left in Oct '69 so he could still have been the Plt Ldr in May '70. Think his call sign was "Good Shepard " or something like that. "LOU"
Bulldog 16 "LOU"
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 10:37:12 (MST)
hello to all from the sunny south. the registration form is now on the site for down loading. I am looking forward to texas. Fred and Sue you are in my prayers, keep up the faith, i know the alternative. Ray good to hear that you are doing better, i had planned to call but wanted to wait until you found out about the prostate problems. This is year 5 for me, since radical surgery. Texas, i'm on the way...clear jim
jim oliver
sav, ga USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 08:57:17 (MST)
Ron Debates...I am going through every piece of paper that I have pertaining to the 129th trying to find something with Hall's name on it. No luck yet. I confident that the answer is out there somewhere though. It will show up...........
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 08:34:23 (MST)
Fred A...........I showed your post about the car to one of the techs here at the garage and he said to check fuel pressure and anything that had to do with the fuel pump. He also said it could be a cam timing sensor. He said to dump fuel in the intake to see if it would start. Ether may not get down low enough before it evaporates to fire.
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 08:24:12 (MST)
have just pullked all covers to expose timming belt.All marks are where they should be.I am very sure thats not it.
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 08:21:37 (MST)
I think Bartender is right. Didn't he have reddish hair?
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 08:15:54 (MST)
I think Bartender is right. Didn't he have reddish hair?
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 08:15:49 (MST)
Come on guys, clear those cob webs out and see if you have any memories of what Ron Debates is needing to know?
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 08:13:04 (MST)
fred a ,sound like timing belt .
USA - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 07:48:12 (MST)
wasn't it CPT John Hall call sign Grace after he fell through the green house
USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 23:27:35 (MST)
ALEX,need your expertise.Towed step daughters car home.will not start.I checked spark.its geting it.Sprayed ether in system,wouldnt start.timming belt appears ok.She was running about 65,lost power,then it died.She sayed it made a high pitched sound just before engine died.( who knows,she's a new driver).turns over ok,just wont start.91 mitchibusie (sp),single cam motor,(its a 94).rotor on number one lines up with cam timming marks.
USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 20:50:28 (MST)
Greetings from Montana. Hope this finds all of you doing well; been trying to keep up with all the info on the site. Guys? I have a question. Can anybody tell me who the first flight platoon leader was in May and June of 1970? His name was Capt. Hall; call sign "Duck Butter" I think. Does anybody know his first name, and where he was from? He was the 1st Platoon pilot, flying my helicopter from the 2nd Platoon on May 29, 1970 when '495' got shot down and I was wounded. I'd appreciate any and all help to find him. Ron
Ron DeBates
Big Timber, MT USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 18:11:26 (MST)
Flight : Good to see all the commo. WELCOME HOME to all the new Brothers and Sisters. And great to see some of the Brothers whom haven't posted in a while. Hoping the VHCMA will have the registration ready in the next 2 weeks. Sounds like a great reunion in the making. We have alot of 129th in the Texas area. Hoping some will be attending for their 1st reunion. Mark's purpose was to have a home for the 129th. This was deicated to his Brother and 129th KIA Larry Jackson. My goal was to have these reunions with the VHCMA. So we could reunite with our Brothers that we serve with in Nam. For me and Mark seeing the Brothers reuniting after so many years. What can I say. We have a Wonderful and Caring 129th Family. And All of you whether you post or not. This is your Family at the HOME OF THE 129TH. God Bless you All!! Always A Brother Alex
Collierville, TN USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 08:56:41 (MST)
Fred and Susan, and all of our Vietnam Veterans who are going through cancer treatments, you are in our prayers. Ray is being treated for IBS and has been given a pain medication that has offered him a new life:>) He's doing really well. He still h as the enlarged prostate, but the plan is to "cook" it and he seems happy about that also. Who arte the officers of the 129th? Always there for our Veterans-Gently
USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 08:49:03 (MST)
I would like to go to reunion this year. Could someone tell me where to go to get reg. If the weather is good maybe ride my scooter. It would be a nice day ride. I was on Cobra 957 when she went down, does anyone have any pictures of it. Oh by the way Mark, please note the new e-mail. God Bless All.
Pete Nolen <>
Maurice, La. USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 08:01:43 (MST)
RAY <>
MD USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 07:18:23 (MST)
Regarding helicopter designations. A Bell 206 is the civil Model Number for the OH-58 Kiowa. The civilian version of the OH-58 is actually the Bell 206 B III, a five seat aircraft, while the Bell 206L-1, L-2, L-3 and L-4, are 7 seat veriants. The civilian Model Number for the UH-1, Huey, is the Bell 205. FYI, Bell is working on certification of a Bell 210, which is an updated version of the venerable UH-1, and is a candidate for the Armies Light Utility helicopter. Like the saying goes, when the last UH-60 Blackhawk is taken to the boneyard, the flight crew will be picked up by a Huey.
Bullwinkle <>
Moorhead, MN USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 23:14:13 (MST)
Fred and Sue, special prayers said for you today at church. GOD is a healer seen it many times. one of my horses got hurt friday afternoon cut on right rear leg and sprained ankle. bad swollen. had prayer for her too. much better this afternoon.prayers for you too RAY. love you all.
Keith 72-73
USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 14:06:35 (MST)
G'day Flight..Just returned from church,got my "batteries charged"..Continued prayer for Sue & Fred..A big thanx there Mark for your encouagement also..A special "welcome Home"to new members..You are in a safe place here..Have a great week..Clear,Lenny.
Leonard Adams <>
USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 13:24:56 (MST)
Fred and Susan you both remain in our thoughts and prayers. We have friends and family that currently going through the chemo/radiation and it takes time, patience and prayers. We are here if you need us. Robbie good to see you posting some and by the way how are the grandchildren? Send pictures!!! Kal it was good to talk with you and it is great that you found your pilot friend that lives so close to us. Small world! By the way, was his dad's name Jim West also? Liz's dad had a real good friend with the same name back in the late 70's, early 80's. Just curious. Ray and Tom it was good to talk with you both this past week. Bernie and Dan good to see both of you post again. Looking forward to seeing all of our 129th family in San Antonio. Always a brother, Alex
Collierville, TN USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 10:46:24 (MST)
morming flight, and welcome home james. i was in the cobra platoon from 6/69 till i drosed in 10/70. i was the gunner on 010 with crewchef kenton jones. gald you found the site.--------fred you an sue hang in there an keep one thing in mind,if sue jumps in your sh-t for no reason it'not her talking, its the kemo talking. hang in there brother.----hey robbie i think it's about time too think about relocation. i'm not sure if you have found a new job yet but even if you have you might look into the city of tampa here in flordia,it grounding by leaps an bounds, even donald trump is building in tampa. just for laughs contact the chamber of commerce here in tampa. you can play golf all year round. congrads to the the brothers who hung in thier an got there disability from the va. there are alot of bennys that go along with it,namely a tax brake ifor your of course each state is different. check with your states va office. you'll the phone number in the phone book under state offices.for you that can't work because of your disability you now can file for social secuerity. give a shot.and you brothers who are still fighting for your disability comp. hang in there. dont give up, that what the va wants you to do. the rast of you 129er's although i don't mush a day dosen't go by without thinking of the 129th family, just can not think of what to write. see you all in san antonio i hope. from 010 with love wink 3/69-10/70
lake wales, fl USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 10:39:36 (MST)
Hang in there Fred. We're all praying for you and Sue. Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 09:39:33 (MST)
well folks, the 3rd day of chemo,the traditional " bad day",has lived up to its rep.
USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 09:11:22 (MST)
Prayers that all have a blessed day..............always a brother
USA - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 08:16:51 (MST)
Thanks Kim. seen a Monkey strap for sale on ebay tonight.
USA - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 21:24:01 (MST)
Yep, 206 is the civilian designation for the huey. Trade a Plane has all kinds of them for sale, in every imaginable configuration, from junk to firefighters to warbirds! I most always wore a monkey strap when flying. Most of the time, I had a free mounted 60, just hung from a bungee cord, and would use the strap to keep me from going overboard when leaning out to fire into the well. (the reference point on the gound where the ship seemes to be pivoting) I wore it the first time I walked the skid and knocked on the peter pilot's window....Alvis, think good thoughts for you and Susan, hang in there!!!
Livermore, Me USA - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 20:26:21 (MST)
Any of you gunners or CE's ever use a "Gunners Monkey Harness"
USA - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 19:46:59 (MST)
When they say it's a Bell Helicopter 206, what does the 206 mean? huey?
USA - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 19:41:41 (MST)
Alvis and Suesan, Hang tuff.......Richard "Cherry" Muirhead. Got a question I would like to ask you. E-mail me at or call me at 419-678-4697 or would it be ok if I called you?....................Take care all, always a brother..........
USA - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 17:40:14 (MST)
Hello all 129th Brothers and Sisters!!.. Alvis, it was good to see Susans' first cemo went well and I hear it affects people a little differantly and hope it if easy on her.. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Hey Robbie.. Yes, I am hoping to ride down and so far Mark and I are the only ones I know of. I saw Pete post that he was, and I sent him an email but haven't heard back from him yet. I talked to Ray G. the other day and his spirits were up pretty good. I hope that pain of his goes away soon. Dan Hertline, it is good to see your post and I am looking foreward to seeing you in San Antonio.. Those of you that haven't made it to a reunion yet ought to give it a try. This will be my fifth and they are something I hope to never miss again. There is a real brotherhood established when you get together with a bunch of your comrads that you have "been there, done that" with. I will be forever grateful to Mark and Alex for getting this bunch of us together, not only on this page but so many times in person. THANKS!!!!.. Later... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68 <n8auu (at) email . com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 15:58:41 (MST)
WELCOME HOME James, I was there from March 69 to March 70. there are a bunch of us from the 69 - 70 time frame. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 21:16:55 (MST)
Melody,thank you for the card,your a sweetheart.I checked the mailbox when we returned from chemo and your card made Susan smile.
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 20:58:41 (MST)
Welcome home James I only been here a short time I was with the 129th all of 70 and there alot of guys on here that were there in that time.Thinking of all a brother, George
G Marshall
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 16:33:40 (MST)
Fred, I'm glad you've got good insurance coverage. About those Chemo treatments, my brother never lost his hair or his nails. Maybe it's according to the dosage, but I was under the impression they were wacking the hell out of his cancer in his liver. Maybe it's a Venus/Mars thing. Don't really know. Cold and snowing here. I'm having a Daytona party in the garage on Sunday if'n anyone wants to stop by.. Right. No one left here in NY but me..Can't say that I know the new people that have shown up. I was there in 69-70 and left in Jan of 70. Welcome to the fold though....Ray, I hope you're doing ok Gunner. Love you Brother. Hey Mark hope you and Dee are good. Hello to all the rest of our family. Alex&Liz, Gale and Debbie, Gently, Rick England, Smitty, Pete Rhome, I saw your post get back on here...Kal, you still riding? Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 16:24:40 (MST)
HOLY CRAP..thank goodness for insurance..chemo treatments 9,600 and some odd dollars,per treatment,2 per month.Anti nausea pills( I think) 800 dollars for ten pills( per treatment).And the medical people have the nerve to complain about americans crossing over into canada. Still,my co-pay is 40 bucks a pill.I didnt even pay that for stuff i was "self medicating" my self with in my by-gone drug days.Susan is doing fine,she took this first chemo very well.After the next one they say she will loose her hair( everywhere) as well as her toe nails and finger nails.Thats a new one on me.well,goota get to work...till tomorrow,see you then.
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 14:15:44 (MST)
Alvis, he tried but I think the place he posted at gets allot of traffic. I got one response and never heard back from that other guy again. I hope you know how much I appreciate the help with this matter. My grandpa has been allot to handle lately and I havn't really been able to research like i want too. Thanks :o)
Melody Pershall
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 13:43:15 (MST)
Alvis, Thanks for the TINS. The Pete on that flight WAS Dennis F., as I remember him telling me about it afterwards (shaken by the experience). I still can't picture "Gabby", but I'm sure he's in the "recycle bin" of my mind. JAMES JORDAN- You're not "Lucky 22" by any chance are you? If so, How are you, and what are you doing in Vegas? Later, Greg
Puna, HI USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 13:39:51 (MST)
Jim Jordan, welcome. I came in the summer of 71. Can't quite place you. Bernie, good to hear from you & see ya in San Antonio.No "Gabby" was not Lt. D Schrieber. Schriebers call sign was "star" & he left the unit under different circumstances as i'm sure some of the pilots remember. Fred A. , the letter is on the way. Gary, good to see you post & hope to see you again, I am going to have the hat that your Mom made on my bean in San Antonio.>>> Respects>>> Smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 11:30:32 (MST)
Greetings Flight. Dave, I remember a slick loaded on a low boy when I was with the 61st. I beleive it one that Capt. Mark Garcia and a new pilot were on a check ride over the Quin Nhon Harbor and Capt. Garcia accidently turned off the fuel switch so down they go and they also were rescued by a Vietnamese fisherman. I still have the article that I cut out of the Stars and Stripes. See ya all in San Antonio. "426" out. Bruno where you at.
Bernie Hernandez <>
Ogden, Utah USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 10:17:10 (MST)
Fred A........we have a Dennis Fuerstenau from Florida that has checked in before. His e-mail address is or thats what it was in March of 04. Bet he is the Peter Pilot you talk you need info from him?.check his address out. His BIO says he was there from 72/73.
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 10:08:33 (MST)
Animal, Fred A... I remember a Lt. Schrieber (can still picture his face) who lost his wings, or had some other form of disciplinary action taken against him for pulling a stunt while airborne. I recall it having something to do with attempting inverted flight, or pulling too much pitch while descending or something like that??? This happened within a month or two of my DEROS in late January 1972. Does anyone else remember a wrecked slick covered with what appeared to be seaweed loaded onto a lowboy, and trucked into Lane? I've wondered what that was about. Leonard Adams, I will catch you on the back channel about "Apple". Fred Skaggs, I miss your e-mails, bro... what's your story? Baron, good to see your post. Dios les bendiga, hermanos.
Dave Powers
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 07:23:15 (MST)
Welcome Jim! It's a great family! Fred.....the little Aussie does have brass...I knew that the first moment I met her:>) Love to all-Gently
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 07:21:14 (MST)
Snapper.can you e-mail me your contacs info to update my home records....send to that goes for anybody else...........I am recieveing those who have sent so far.......God Bless..........Hey James Jordan......WELCOME HOME and back to the 129th..........Hey Fred A....maybe James Jordan can be of some help for you. Isnt his tour the same time as yours????????
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 06:56:51 (MST)
Animal, For Jim W. and myself--Thank-you!
Jeff (Snapper)
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 06:21:46 (MST)
Melody,was the guy any help to you i set you up with? Well flight,tommorow Susan gets her first chemo treatment. i kinda wussed out on going with her and Tiffiny( her daughter) wig shopping.I think that might be one step below going with her shoe shopping.Chuckle, they didnt want me along anyway,kinda a mother daughter thing so i dont feel bad.We are trying to set up the treatments so texas will fall between treatments(every 2 weeks).Susan has a good head on her,and is looking forward to getting better.She is now( and i dont blame her) getting a little gun shy of docters.They all want to stick needles in her or hurt her somehow.She has recovered almost 100% from the surgery.A little half moon scar around the nipple and a wound about as wide as your hand under the armpit.Flight, that woman has got brass.Went shopping tonight by myself. Bought lots of juice and stuff easy to fix in case she gets hungry,that she likes.till tommorow.
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 23:11:38 (MST)
Hello Brothers of 129th. I just found this site. Anyone here from 70-71?
James Jordan <>
Las Vegas, NV USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 22:56:30 (MST)
I believe gabbys last name was Gibson.I also believe he was a "w.o.".Futhermore, I believe he was from Alexandera (sp) Va.Gosh knows what has happened to him since returning.Like me, he lived life pedal to the medal.I was very lucky,a few times, and survived my past.I truely hope he has as well.The aircraft I am speaking of..took off from Quin Hon airport.It was a civilan regional fixed wing aircraft.Much like delta,pan am.nortwestern,ect.Of course their in country aircraft didnt amount to much in size.As far as the slick that was lost, well its a tale of nightmares.Gabby was flying in his normal seat,the crew chief was in the peter pilots seat( he was short)and actually flying the aircraft.The peter pilot had climbed into my gunners seat( he wanted to shoot a 60)and I had went into the crew chiefs seat.We were flying inland from tuy hoa over a "no fly zone".now I dont know why it was that way,due to weather or bad guy country.We did spot trails made by trucks and what appeared to be a major base camp/training area.We were flying at what(?),over the mountians,a couple of thousand feet?3 maybe 4?anyway,i dont know what happened,I believe we were hit by extreme winds or cross currents,down drafts,something.control of the aircraft was completely lost.We fell from the sky,turning and turning,perhaps even turned over once.The cabin insulation was ripped down and hanging by a few snaps.My belted ammo was wraped around the mounting post,no way to fire the 60.passengers were screaming( we had on a mixed bag of civilians) and crying and praying.As we were falling ,the peter pilot kept saying..more air speed .more airspeed.Gabby was sending out ..MAYDAY..MAYDAY.MAYDAY.One could acutually hear a whine or scream of a falling aircraft,tins,just like in the movies.( i remember that striking me as odd from a helicopter) A arty push/pull fixed wing responded to our maydays,and I believe airforce gunships were scrambling out of tuy hoa.We didnt know it at the time,but this was a very dangerous area we were over flying.anyway,due to luck,gods intervention,or plain great flying skill( most likely all 3)we started to pull out of about 100 feet above the trees.( i had already excepted that i was going to die..I felt sad for my mom..and I was at a surpreme peace with myself).I KNEW WE WERE FIXING TO DIE!I even thought about throwing out the 60 so the nva couldnt recover it from the crash site.anyway,the aircraft leveled out just above tree top level.our forward airspeed was just kinda creeping along,we were all kinda taking a deep breath and not beleaving we hadnt crashed.I bet our forward airspeed wasnt above 40 knots.Just then..a nva jumped out from a tree under the aircraft,and opened up on us,full auto,ak-47.I was actually happy to see him as it ment i was still alive( yes,thats strange,but thats how i felt).Gabby or the peter P started asking who was firing.We responded ..not me..not me..or its incoming, I forget.We turned around and went back to the mac v compound we had left from..limped back..and landed.The civilans got the heck out of dodge,,the crew ( me included) got out of the aircraft,sat on the ground in the shade,and just shook in our boots.After a few social interactions discussing what had just happened..and what might happen,i got up and started inspecting the aircraft.Let me tell you,I looked very closely at everything.I spotted some screws or rivits missing ,eather fron the tail rotor section or close to it.( I couldnt believe there wasnt any bullit holes)When i said there was things missing from the tail rotor assy,gabby jumped up and ask me to show him where.After viewing my find,he declared the aircraft red Xes,unflyable.He stated tourqe screws or something had snapped due to over tourqe.Another helicopter was dispached to pick us up.I dont believe they were from the 129th,I didnt know any of then anyway.A chinook was sent to sling the aircraft back to lane.One of the straps broke in flight.the aircraft started twisting and girating(sp) so they punched off the straps and dropped the aircraft,from a few thousand feet, into the south china sea,between tuy hoa and lane.dont know where.They had the inquiry,I was transfered before actions were taken.I never knew what happened afterward till i came in here a few years ago and someone said he had lost his wings.I keep thinking the peter pilots name was something like dennis baron,shadow or animal can set me straight.I just dont know.I looked for the aircraft tail numbers in the 129th archives,but nothing strikes a chord.I do know the crew chief derossed veru soon afterward..thats why gabby let hin fly.Just a good intention turned very ,very bad.
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 22:40:06 (MST)
Hey Gary Carlson.......So good to see you post brother. It sure was a great time wasnt it? You gonna make it to Texas this year Gary?.............Don and Mel..yes, I have a 180 in the works as we speak. Sent it out a couple of weeks ago...Thanks for the help though Mel and Don. I just thought that maybe there was another way to get Flight Records. Sure would like to know about some of the missions that Larry flew on......
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 21:33:46 (MST)
Mark, when I read your post about getting Larry's records I started wracking my brain to find the site. I'm glad I read Mel's post before I wrEcked my mind more than it is. I used that site to get my records and it works great. THANKS Mel. I couldn't find it. I guess it was a link I lost when my computer crashed last time. later all, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 20:38:09 (MST)
Alvis, Smitty, Shadow, Baron. All these guys had there picture taken togethor at the reunion last June. I just looked through the photos that Smitty sent me that were taken at the reunion, at Larry Jackson's grave, at the Pop-a-Top, Ron Paye's, Speedway, Mark holding the plaqe from Animal, All the hand painted momorial stones, Rick Englands 129th pins, Gently's ribbons. Everyone sure made a great effort to make it a fine event. Thank you all. Gary
Gary Carlson
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 20:21:38 (MST)
AWESOME Leonard..............Praise God........Good to hear from you and continued prayers for your wifes full recovery.........AWESOME GOD!!!!!!!
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 18:43:02 (MST)
Just want to say Hi to all the Bite & Strikers. It's been quite a while since i've spoken to you all, but I do view the Flightlog. My wife & I are praying for a healing miracle from the Lord for Susan.My wife had colon cancer last year.the surgery was a success,but she still went thru 32 weekly chemo treatments. My oldest son & her went to Germany for a week to visit her dad & cousins.Her brother,his wife & son My son & her were in a head on collision,which killed the other driver.I get a call from Germany from my son telling me that my wife had a head injury, severe lacerations,and what is believed to be a broken back!. I had to call the State Dept. to get an updated passport.When I arrived at the hospital,we talked to the surgeon in charge.They wanted to try a new proceedure called "Kyphoplasty" It's too complex to explain here, but basically they glued her backbone together..We walked out of the hospital 3 days later,flew back to N.Y. that weekend. Last month,we celebrated her having her "Port" removed! The reason I"m sharing this, my wife & I are people of faith. We have seen many miracles in our lives & continue to see them..I believe that my life was spared in Vietnam,to share this with everyone I come in contact with:that Jesus Christ is Lord,that God is still in the healing business,and that he loves us so much that he gave his only son.(John 3:16). Just trust in Him.Ask & believe!.Thanx to Rick Jensen for the DVD..Dave Powers: If you could give me more info on AC Peter"Apple".He was AC on my Bird:The "New Yorker"Bulldog135 1970..Thank you all,for being who you are:Real Brothers & Sisters.I can see the true concerns & love that you have for each other.Keep it up! God Bless,Respectfully,"Fire" Clear Left!
Leonard Adams <>
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 18:06:43 (MST)
If you go to the link in my siggy it will help you in requesting records. It has you fill out information over the internet. After that you print off a sheet and have to send it in within 14 days or so. You can request your own records or your families. This is how I got my uncles records and it didn't take as long as I thought it would.
Amarillo, TX USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 14:47:59 (MST)
Alvis, Wasn't that aircraft a VNAF Caribou which took off from PhuCat then returned with an engine problem then after a quick check and after an engine oil compartment/tank filled took off again and crashed?
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 14:27:57 (MST)
Mark & anyone interested, The form to get any of your records sent to you is: VA form "SF180". It should be available at your local Vet Center. There should be someone around to help fill it out also...........Alvis, I've always remembered a DEROS flight going down just before I left. Does anyone else recall this? Also, wasn't "Gabby" AKA LT. Schrieber? I don't recall the incident involving losing an aircraft. (Sling Load?) Thanks Greg
Puna, HI USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 12:56:13 (MST)
Hi flight I just was reading alvis post It made remember going on a few of those test flights after there 100 hour fix up.I flew right side and there was usualy an engine mec flying leftside he had a box of moniters checking for vibration .I remember the first time I was just setting there waiting finaly some one said say clear right lol. The test pilot was an officer named Simon but he said it was pronounced sea moan like french .What I recall most was he liked to auto rotate, first time I was sure all in my stomach was gonna come out my nose.Anybody remember Simon. All take care. a brother, George
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 09:47:09 (MST)
Greg..What part of the VA can I get Larry's Flight Records from????.....all this make me wish that we would be able to find more of the 129th History in the national Archives in DC. But what we got all that we could get..............
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 09:35:56 (MST)
Animal,the crash was on top of Qhuin Hon mountian,about 100 feet from the summit.It was a fixed wing,Air Vietnam,or something.It was full of men ,women and kids.Gabby was busted because of actions that happened when we were "TDY out of Tuy Hoa.It happened just after xmas of 71,might have been jan of 72..but no later( I think).The peter P on that flight went to texas and dentistry school,the crew chief was from back east,I believe.I ran into both of them at the dedication to the wall back in the 80s(?)in washington dc.When they were holding the inquiry for the loss of the ship,they talked to gabby,the peter p,the crew chief..and thats when I was transfered to the 60th.I remember being surprised because I thought i would be called.Its also before any action was taken from the inquiry,,ie,,busted or wings taken away.Cant remember who I flew with (PILOTS).I do know I flew with gabby and Shadow as well.I did fly with the maintiance pilot once ,in aug,on a ship that had just came out of repairs,he was certifing it.
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 07:29:45 (MST)
FYI:>)) Whether you are in support of the war or against it, this is a must see. L-Gently More details can be found on the following web link: The film A COMPANY OF SOLDIERS will be broadcast next Tuesday night(22) on PBS at 9 pm (check local listings). It is the soldiers' story of fighting in Iraq - a month in the life of the 1st Battalion of the 8th Cavalry stationed in South Baghdad. It was shot last November during one of the most dangerous times for that unit. A COMPANY OF SOLDIERS was made by October Films under the umbrella of the PBS Frontline Series and we'd like to ask you to email this to everyone you know with a request for them to send it on to everyone they know. We are hoping to get as many US Military families to tune in. One word of warning is that the film graphically shows the risks and consequences of what it is to fight in Iraq - so if you haven't told your loved ones, they might be in for a shock.
USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 06:54:30 (MST)
Alvis, I recall some of the things you mentioned, but I'm still trying to pull them into clarity. I was extremely short when a Chinook carrying a whole lot of DEROS people from Lane crashed into a mountain near Qui Nhon. Is this the incident you mention? It must have been in Jan72, cause I left Feb 1st on another Chinook, scared shitless. That's what I remember about it, anyway. Gabby lived across the hall in the same hootch as me, and we were flying together a lot around the time he was busted. I bet you and I shared some combat hours then. Have you gotten your flight records from the VA yet? They don't mention who you flew with, but they do list the aircraft#, date, hours flown, and combat if I'm not mistaken. I'll dig mine out and look through them again. All your records are available to you if you request them using the proper form. Be persistant and patient because your benefits are from the date you first filed. They are trying to make you quit. I've said it before, but feel like repeating; There are two VA's. The medical one is full of dedicated people who have really made a difference to myself and thousands of other troubled Vets. There are even a couple of these Heroes on this site. The other VA, however, are the pencil necked, bean counting, benefits people. They want to discourage you and make you drop your claim. Don't let them!!! With respect, and best wishes to you and Susan, Greg
Puna, HI USA - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 00:13:06 (MST)
Hey Mark, If you want more info on that program give me a call on Friday anytime and I will talk you thru it.
Rick Jensen <>
Clovis, NM USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 21:38:19 (MST)
ok flight, have a few questions that might help me out in the "va" fight for ptsd.The time period is aug of 71 till jan of 72. Does anyone remember when Gabby lost his wings? i was gunner on that flight.We almost crashed,lost the bird during "sling back"over the south china sea. Does anyone remember the civilian aircrash up on Quin HOn mountian? Must have been 50 or 60 dead people there,all torn up and burnt.We got the mission to ind them, but cant remember whom i crewed with.Very ,very ugly scene.You would remember it. The fire fly mission I flew on was with Smitty,we both were hot under the coller when we couldnt get premission to go hot on folks in the wire.anyone remember that one beside us? passive/agressive my ass.Anyone remember flying a snoppy low/snoppy high with me,just inland of an khe pass and a bit into some valleys we flew,never had been there before.A complete "no- mans" land.Just beautiful jungle,crystal clear streams,abundent wildlife, no sign of man made structures nor trails.I cant contact folks from the 60th ahc,where the crap really hit me.They have a site but one cant even post on it.VA says I am passive agerssive and was that way before nam ,so screw you.OH,anyone remember flying a :"cho hoia" mission..where we threw out pamplets welcoming home vc ,while we received incoming from machine guns?cant fire back boys, it a "peace" mission.
USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 21:24:55 (MST)
Hey Dan.......will be good to see ya again...take care brother.
USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 21:10:11 (MST)
The registration for the reunion will be on the VHCMA web site soon. I e-mailed Charlie Rains last week about it. Keep checking the web site. See you all in TEX-ASS.
Dan Hertlein
Sumner, WA USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 20:17:07 (MST)
Evenin' Flight...Hey Lou, thats great news brother. Another success story with a little help from the 129th brotherhood. Hey JIM S. Tell your Dad, WELCOME HOME and back to the 129th from all of us here. So glad that you found the page.We got some other 129thers in Florida What was the time of your dad's tour over there? Also have him send me his e-mail address and home address if he wants it posted in the CONTACTS section of the page. Has he gone to the CONTACTS page and tried to make contact with any of the names he recognizes there? Sure hope he can make the reunion in Texas in June. Will be glad to meet him. You should come along with him. It's a family affair!!!!Hey Arthur, my brain is raddlin' that I recall somebody else that flew in the "351" also but the name exscapes me right now. Fred A and Susan, Wishing you guys the best. Prayers sent your way. Ray G. You doing OK?........Robbie, any word on work yet? all you other silent readers out there, and I know that there are a bunch.......jump in anytime brothers. Lets get this FLIGHT LOG ROCK & ROLLIN" again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gale and Debbie. All OK your way.Hey C.P.??? I know your out there;-)))).....Hey Rick Jensen, I still havnt figured out the MSN stuff yet. I wanna get that soes we can talk and I want to hook a camera up so I can yack with the grandsons in INDY..........Ya know.....if I had a webcam here and had it hooked up and was somehow able to show the picture in here, I would have to be cafeful if Ron Paye was around, or should I say behind me!!!!!.....Aint that right Gently ;-))))))).....Have I told you guys that I love you yet today?????...Tom Shanahan???.you still out there brother?????.............Hey Baron, Gary, you lookin' in??????..........always a brother
USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 19:56:15 (MST)
HI brothers I am still trying to find out my ac when Igot there last name was Laughlin he was ac on 351 can some one help or know some how can.
Arthur Foster <>
hogansville, ga USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 18:12:40 (MST)
Lou-finally. L-Gently
USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 14:35:03 (MST)
Hey there all. My father was in the 129th. His name is Donald Schnitzhofer. He remembers all of you. Did anybody know him, or have pictures of him. He had NENA, my moms name, painted across the front of his helicopter. He was a crew chief. Any information would be great. He wants to, and probably will, go to the reunion this year. -Jim
Jim Schnitzhofer <>
CLearwater, FL USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 10:28:14 (MST)
Congrads Lou. Glad to hear those dates I have to help my friend with a tradtional bow shoot 10th 11th 12th so things are looking like I can make it now. Still a few bugs to work out but looks good.I am not to happy with Bushy Boys new bill seems like the guys who go to war for our country never stop getting slaped in the head. But we all know better than most No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. Hope all are doing ok you are in my prayers. A brother, George
G Marshall
USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 08:27:49 (MST)
After calls to 2 state sens, and 1 US Sen, and 2 yrs later with the help of my brothers of the 129th who wrote the letters for me, I'm finally going to get rated for my PTSD, thanks for your help and support. Snowsnake forever
Lou Rags
Dover, De USA - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 18:19:39 (MST)
All info about the reunion this year in TX is now posted on the bottom of the front page of the 129th here. I didnt see the registration form either on the VHCMA page. Maybe it will be there later or maybe Alex can tell us something about it. I think the VHCMA news letter has it in sometimes.......always a brother......
USA - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 12:26:19 (MST)
Last year, there was a downloadable registration form for the reunion, I cannot find it on VHCMA either, Too early?, anyone know? God bless all>> Smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 12:18:20 (MST)
George Marshall the reunion dates are June 22-25.But, you can get the rate for the entire week of 19th thru 26th. Alex
USA - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 09:34:55 (MST)
Just a question what are the dates of the reunion in texas.Mark I hardly miss a day reading the flight .Just listening to all the medical proplems brothers and there families are having, and worrying about them.I pray for them hope for them. But I just don't what to say maybe just hang in there. A brother george
G Marshall
USA - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 12:57:16 (MST)
Morning Flight: Had to work all week-end. So I am trying to catch up on the log. Robbie good to see you post. I hope you hear about the job. Fingers crossed. I am like you, I haven't ever talked to a Nam Vet that said it was fun. And every Vet I have met we Welcome each other home. He could be something else? Mark I am sure you will become a great web master. Fred and Susan we are thinking of you. Just want you both to know were here. Hey! Fred are still working at Lowe's. Ray will try and call this week. To the rest of the Flight have a Blessed Day. Always A Brother Alex
USA - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 08:14:01 (MST)
Now Mark no rumors now. Never know whos here.hehehehehehe Shakey and Swashplate are not going to make it the last I heard. Oscar and Jerry might be there this year. Oscar's got relatives in Texas. Stacey I haven't heard from. Gotta go to the VA. How exciting.
Rick England
USA - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 07:49:52 (MST)
I just got this in an e-mail so I put it on a web page /////// very interesting or click on my name below
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 00:04:18 (MST)
I need all's e-mail addresses to update my new computer address book..send to < >.........................Rick E. stoned???????, heheheheheheheheh oh Oscar and Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!where are those guys anyways Rick. Havnt seen them for a couple of years. Hey Rick, is Shakey Vogel gonna make it this year? How's he doing?.......and have you heard from Stacey McClain in a while? Have I told you guys that I love you yet today?.....................
USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 21:24:02 (MST)
Yea Robbie I got your commo and said this guy you have to be careful. There are allot waannaBEES out there.****Fred Skaggs I am bringing some blues buffs so you have to be there.***(****I am bringing two grunts this year and a CE from the ghostriders of the 101st. I know Fred A. knows of them. Nothing more nothing less. *****That clip of Shadow of the Blade there at our reunion an I will introduce them to you or just look at the thier name tage its the same as your's.Flight be careful out there. I flew the left and or the left side you ask Bill Whelan or Frenchie. I sure would like to see Lt Hammond an thank him for that very good auto rotation in the sau cau mountains spcially when I seen Koreans instead of whatever. We were coming back from a whatever mission in Na Drang I went to town gees I am a CE I don't go to town. BS I take my newbee gunner to town. well we had to good of a time we get a vessba to the airstrip but he drops us on the other side I take my gunners hand an say lets go for it our pilots are all ready started I am going forit he says lets doit. So if you ever heard of a couple guys stoned and ran across the Nha Trang air field it was me. Frenchie and a few of us heads as we call it did some stupid or fun stuff. Bill Whelan come to the reunion.
Rick England
USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 21:02:00 (MST)
Fred A.......saw your post in the Sky Soldiers guest book.............I have a phone number for Sue Spencer if you would like it.........BTW Fred and Susan. I do not have your e-mail address. BC it to me please. and anybody else that has not sent me an updated e-mail and snail mail address please send to me BC so I can update my personal files. I am at < >.............always a broth
USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 19:47:36 (MST)
Hi 129th I just was reading some of the e mail,s. I was on 351 & tigerwagon. Sounds like what I went threw I had a rating of 0% for my throat doc.have a hard time putting a tube down my throat. it coud be it.In 71 but it took to oct. of 82 when I found out.I have bad hearing I talk loud my wife get on to me talk lower. Had all but a 14 mm of intestines & my butt hole started to close up & they had to cut the muscle & my two hands cut on & I have Periphal neuropathy in my two legs. plus ptsd from 82. I am 100% t&p And yes I married that girl I wrote to the last 7 months there was some guys seed it would not last she with me.
Arthur Foster <>
Hogansvill, GA USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 16:58:35 (MST)
Mark, it was nice talking to you also. Thanks for the offer, but I'm still trying to find a job here. Hoping the Nuke plant will hire me for a security officer. Just a 5 mile drive to work if it comes through, and just a few minutes of life if it goes off and the cloud comes this way. Oh well, can't live forever. I know what you mean about wanna be's and that's the way this guy struck me. Didn't seem to have the answers a Viet Vet would have. Fred, you and Susan will be in a lot of our thoughts and prayers. My brother has gone through 12 treatments of Chemo and they say his system can't take any more. After a cat scan they say the cancer has shrunk, but it's still there and he now has moved on to other treatments. We're hoping this will keep him with us for a long time. I hate this damn disease too. Ray, good talking to you the other day, and I'm so glad that your cancer check came back negative. Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 14:46:56 (MST)
Hey George Mashall..where ya been brother. I got your e-mail and will respond but I think all is ok. Havnt heard other wise brother. Keep on posting. ...... Hi Robbie, Nice talking to you the other day brother. Dee said to tell you that you can come down here and do some work around the house to stay busy. Good pay, 3 hots and a cot, seriously brother.....ya know, I never like to question a Vet if I am suspicious of them, but I can say that at times I can feel the doubt when I hear some of the wanna be's talk. AND I WASNT EVEN THERE!...but from my research and coming to know all of you and listening to you all I can tell the difference. I have noticed some of the same reactions in some that you have Robbie. Only God knows a mans heart, and it would be a "punk" that would try to get recognition off of the horrifics that you all have experienced. A "PUNK". I always ask them What corps? If they said anything other then I through IV.BUZZZZZZZ!!!!!! and then try to get them to mention the town of Hue. If it comes out like it looks, then...BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!! God Bless you all and take care today.raining in Ohio for the next 2 days. Prayers to all.............always a brother,
USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 12:03:09 (MST)
I had a friend that was having problems with her old man He was drinkin alot and was being kinda rough with her. She said that she felt sorry for him because of what happened to him in viet nam . I new the guy and he was born in around 1960 I told her oh hell he wasn't even old enough to have been there.I have run across a few more.There wern't that many that went in country from kansas. People go figure. George
G Marshall
USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 10:45:07 (MST)
I saw a guy in the local grocery store yesterday with a 1st Cav hat on. I caught up with him as he was leaving and said So 1st Cav huh? He replied yes. I asked him where he was in Nam and he said every where and laughed. I asked him when he was there and he said during the Tet Offensive, and again he laughed. I told him I was in the 1st Aviation in 69-70 and he said yep it was fun over there. I said welcome home and he didn't say thanks or welcome home back to me. I'm not saying the guy wasn't there, but it sure sounded kind of funny to me. He wouldn't give me any definate answers to my questions and then didn't respond as I would have expected to a welcome home. I also never saw anyone that laughed like he did about being there or saying he had fun there when talking to a stranger.
Rochester, NY USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 08:25:34 (MST)
Alvis I don't know if I offered yet or not, but if you severed in 1970 I have some buddie letters that may help you I looked in contacts and it didnt say year - years you severed if I can be of any help let me know I am in contacts. A brother always in heart and soul george
G Marshall
USA - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 10:38:19 (MST) trying to apply some of the stuff that the webmaster showed me the other day to do to the web site and I can see that I have not been paying him enough. That stuff takes a lot of work and time. Don't know if I will be able to take some of it over or not. man...........
USA - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 20:03:01 (MST)
I have written several e -mails to John Dillman & he seems to be doing ok, am kind of expecting a reply soon. Fred A., i sent you an e-mail & prayers are with you both. If you didn't get the e-mail, let me know please. I watched " in the Shadow of the Blade" last night & it kind of centered me in the fact that no matter what my problems are or how i was treated or have been treated, it still remains about those young men among us who were never afforded the opportunity to return. May God hold them in the hollow of his hand & May God bless you all & give you Peace.>> Smitty
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 11:34:11 (MST)
Just checking in. It's been too long.
Mike Miles <>
USA - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 09:44:23 (MST)
Kal: Glad you made contact with West. Maybe we can get him to San Antonio. Ray good talking to you. Things will get better. Don: good talking to you. I waould like a 3 day weekend!! But, that won't happen ant time soon. Robbie hope the class on landscaping helped you. The is good money in landscaping. To the rest of the flight have a great day. Always A Brother Alex
USA - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 08:04:59 (MST)
I've heard from John Dillman, our 129er now serving in Iraq. He sounded good and appreciated the email. I'll keep you updated on his well-being and service in Iraq. Anyone one else email him? Always there for our Veterans-Gently
USA - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 06:49:01 (MST)
Don let me know when you go maybe we can meet at the same place this time. Don call the Vet center and ask for an appointment with Stan. He is a conseulor and is help some vet buddies of mine. Who are you seeing at the DAV? Are you off today so I can call you during the day?
Rick England
USA - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 06:43:07 (MST)
Alex, it was great talking to you yesterday, they cut me off at 40:05 I had to leave work 2 hours early today but I have a 3 day weekend. haven't had that in a long time. Ray, great news bro. yes you have a lot to go thru yet but at least it ain't the big C. Alvis, you and Susan hang in there. and I agree Susan needs 100% of your attention right now. I just went thru a really bad year with Donna her totals for the year are: 4 hospital stays, for a 63 day total, 8 surgeries with a total of 18 hours on the table. the second surgery she had was 8 1/2 hours and she had a 50 -50 chance of coming off the table. so trust me bro I know how things can look at this point. it is real scarey but trust in the Lord and things will work out for the best. as for the VA I am going to talk to them one more time and if they still say no I am going to talk to my congressman. I understand he "loves " the VA LOL. later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 22:41:41 (MST)
Hello flight!!.. Hey Alex... Talked to Jim West tonight and he is the one.. He says he will stop in and see you if and when he is in the area.. Alvis.. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Ray Gagner.. It sure was good to hear things were looking up for you and now all we have to do is get rid of that pain of yours.. I have been too busy lately to say much here but all of you have been in my thoughts. Looking foreward to seeing everyone in San Antonio. Later..... Kal...>>>
Kal Bergstrom 67/68 <n8auu (at) email . com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 19:26:57 (MST)
I know when I was on that plane to Viet-Nam, "Can I Change My Mind" went thru my head several times...
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 15:58:33 (MST)
Soul singer Tyrone Davis dead at 66........ February 10, 2005 1:40 PM EST......... -- Southern-born blues and R&B singer Tyrone Davis has died from complications of a stroke, the Chicago Tribune said Thursday. He was 66. Davis not only helped define the sound of Chicago soul in the 1960s and '70s in the wake of Curtis Mayfield, Jerry Butler and Gene Chandler, but continued to record and tour until he suffered a stroke last September. He was taken to Adventist Hinsdale Hospital and never regained consciousness before dying Wednesday, said his longtime manager and collaborator, Leo Graham. Davis' hits included "Turn Back the Hands of Time," "Can I Change My Mind" and "Turning Point." He was born in Greenville, Miss., but moved to Chicago at the age of 19. He worked in a factory by day to support his young family, but spent evenings at blues clubs and developed his own smooth style, the newspaper said.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 13:17:22 (MST)
Fred Alvis: I just want you and Susan to know that you and your family is in our thoughts and prayers through these trying times. Think Positive we will conquer this cancer. Any support we can give, please let us know. It was an Honor to meet you and your wonderful wife Susan in Indy. I have a few close Vet. Bro's going threw the chemo and radiation and it feels like my heart has been torn out. But, right you need to be there for Susan. And not worry about Bylaws or non-Tax issues, they can always be addressed at a later time. SUSAN TOP PRIORTY!! As far as the VA. Just hang in there. I found a few whom works at the VA here in Memphis. They are helping me cut throw the red tape. I met them on my job at Autozone. Their trying to hook me up with someone to help file a claim. Rick is right, to statements from others we served with. I had 1 Air Medal. But, Some of the others had a bunch for the same missions flown. Everyone flying had plenty of CA missions. But, I have no records except the 1 air medal. But, Ranier will tell you. start with the hearing, then the knees etc. 10 or 20% will add up. Well I am here Bro!! if you need me. Always A Brother Alex
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 10:40:15 (MST)
Your ship number with flight hours out of the helicopters here on this page, even works. I put that in my claim with orders for the air medal anything you have from that time putin your claim and MAKE COPIES. Carry them with you when you go to the VA all the time for anything. Go to the Ghostriders and ask around there.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 09:28:30 (MST)
Fred Alvis, if you recieved any medals or awards..... that should be documented. My Soldiers Medal is got all the names on it and what actions that were taken. Cups was on that mission, Joey Pribe, Ron Ingermunson,etc. My Bronze Star had Mr.Wightman(Roman),Curt Franks, Mr.Stone and the actions that we did. My oders for my Crewman Wings, my Air Medals, that`s got be documented Fred...somewhere. All your CA time. I got my records from the Flight Surgeon, stating I had "servere anxieties", that`s from the time they sent me to Cam Rahn Bay to the 6th CC to be evaluated. Shit.... Jeff Sauers was the PP on the mission I shot at a "friendly san-pan", DePiazza was the AC and Curt Frank was the crewchief. They almost pulled me off "flight status" for that little stunt. Fred, they have records of that stuff somewhere, somebody knows where to get that stuff. Sometimes I think they get a bonus for making a quota of turning down claims. Tell them to to get on this web-site check it out, everything is documented here.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 09:10:08 (MST)
MD USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 08:15:24 (MST)
Fred! Mark is right you need to get buddy letters put in your claim and ask for and revaluation. Don't go for appeal that takes to long.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 08:12:16 (MST)
Fred A............same as Gently said. Anything, Anything, that any of us can help you with let us know. I dont live that far away, and would make the drive to help. God Bless you both........2nd. " NOT IN COMBAT "?????....WHAT THE!!!!!!!!!!!!!...maybe you need those "Buddy Letters" that others have ask for in here. Check with Gary Carlson, Alton Page, And Smitty.Have them write some for you and as others have also done in here, have you talked to your congress/person in your AO?..........Thats so stupid of them to deny you....... That even hurts me...Pukes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....with love
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 06:30:56 (MST)
gENTLY,susan says thank you so much for the kind sentiment,but please dont cut your hair.Part of the va paper i recieved today..says..that the docter from my first attempt at claiming ptsd in 1986,says I have a problem with hostility toward people caused by a "severe personality disorder" that is "passive/agressive".I also cant prove I was in combat nor exposed to it.I wish I could find the gook that raked the ship with ak-47 fire on full auto.I remember gabby asking who was firing..chuckle.I also bet that my two kia roomies are shaking their heads in their cold ,lonely graves,over v.a. bean counters pukes.Seems to me that in 71,you couldnt fire back unless fired on.You just had to make yourself as small as possible sitting on that canvas seat.then when told to go hot,you tried to kill anything that moved,anything and everything.that seems like passive /aggresive training to me.Did not some president say..walk softly and carry a big stick.Are we not supposed to be pasive untill the situation calls for aggresion, then go as hot as we can,as fast as we can,with all we have?Shrug, maybe their correct,I was always a nut.
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 19:29:07 (MST)
Here i am working at home and unable to stop ion the 129th to see what's going on-where are my priorities! :>)) I'm also typing on a laptop I recently got really cheap(used) and these keys move by themselves, so forgive any typos. First, Ray found out he does not have cancer! He's in alot of pain but hopefully that will get addressed now. But, YEAH! Secondly, Fred, we all understand. This is a terrible time for you and the sassy aussie and you need to focus on her. Just know that we are here for you, in anyway you need us. next, way we're not going to see you in TX. Lastly, your Treasurer must be a Veteran...must, must, must. I'd love taking care of the funds-it was pretty easy, and I will continue to do such until a treasurer is elected. Having a non-vet on the Board in any capacity would cause problems in the future with those who feel a non-vet has no right on the Board. and they wouild be right. So let's avoid the fight. You all know how much I care about you, but I'm not a Veteran and this is a Veterans organization. So let's not have any more talk about that. Do the right thing. Remember, I wasn't there. I should have been a "dough-nut dollie though....damn...hind site. I could have been flown around from LZ to LZ by you guys. Yikes! I have to get back to work. Love to you all. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 19:09:01 (MST)
Just a quick hello to everyone. I sure wish I could watch In the Shadow of the Blade tomorrrow. Hopefully i'll be able to buy it in the future. I turn 24 friday...woooo. Ever heard of old souls? That is what people tell me I am but all I know is a feel alot older. Dealing with this situation is making me feel that way. Alvis, I think everyone would understand that. Praying for Susan.
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 18:14:14 (MST)
ok flight,I have tried to say why I cant be an officer when I posted robbies request to me, not to be on the board.Let me take off the soft gloves and explaine. First of all,spending my time with the by laws and going downtown to talk to folks at the tax places,left me no-time to deal with my ptsd request.I thought I had enough time,but I recieved a letter today saying no and time had elasped.Secondly,and most importantly,my beautiful,loving,fun wife has cancer.Before her operation two weeks ago,they said her recovery hopes were 95 % at not dieing.During the operation,they found that it had spread more than the had hoped.They found cancer cells in two of the four limp nodes they removed along with the lump in her breast.They always take out extra tissue to make sure they got it all,then look AT it under a scope.Her cancer was very close to the "margins",and it shouldnt have been.Now, she has to take chemo and radition.Now they say 85 % survival rate.Sorry guys, but the percentage rates are going the wrong way.She has to take chemo every two weeks.She cannot drive after a treatment,not home,not anywhere.She will be to sick and to weak.After the second week of chemo( it will last 5 months) she will lose her hair,her energy,her humor,"her spark",the love of life that shows so clearly in her eyes.She will be sick,period.Tomorrow,we have to stay at the hospital all day for test to be run on her,to see if its spread to her bones or brain,and to see if her heart is strong enough to take chemo.So fella's I do not,will not, have the time for futher work on the assoc.If chemo doesnt work,my wife will die.So forgive me for being a little selfish about the next few months of my spare time.This isnt an angry letter,just putting the bare truth on some very ugly facts that have invaded my happy home.For those of you that read this,hug your wife,tell her you love her,but for the grace of god,you could be in my shoes.
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 17:16:24 (MST)
up date on spring. Much to my surprise,out by the mail box where I planted daffidills,they have broken ground and are just showing their tips.So far,about 10 have peaked their noses up into sunlight.another month and the first spring flowers will be dancing in the wind,rooted in snowbanks.
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 16:54:08 (MST)
I'll cut my hair in support of Susan! But no one better laugh!!! No one!! Anyone else? L-Gently
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 15:25:57 (MST)
I can't gloat, I certainly had nothing to do with the Pat's does feel good though :>)) We've been in spring up here for the past couple weeks, no b-ball games cancelled because of the weather. That's about to change, if we can believe the weather guessers. Alvis, great job on getting things off the ground, now, if we can build on what you've added to this thing, we'll all be better off.
Livermore, Me USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 15:14:37 (MST)
Thats great Alex I didn't know for sure and I am just asking questions I would like to see JUdith get the treasure position. I think Fred A. would be great for pres thats up to him at this point. If Fred doesn't want it Alex I think it would be great for you and you have experience in the bob's rules of order.hehehehehehehe
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 09:22:57 (MST)
Rick: I don't know if we need an Exc. Director. If we get to a point to where we were negotiating contracts for the asso. Then we would need a person with good business back ground to handle the job for the Assoication. It's something we might consider. Once we have the purpose of the association and our long range goals we can then determine if we need a Exc. Director. I think Fred mentioned a static display the 129th museum. I know we have some good bussiness minds in this group that could give a little more input. Fred Alvis has given a 110% to the 129th. Personally I think he deserves to be President. Always A Brother Alex Don Miller good talking to you. Ray will be calling before the week is out. Rainer good talking to yesterday also. Heading down to the VA tomorrow. Hope to get a Primary Phyican.
Collierville, TN. USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 08:16:27 (MST)
Doobie Brothers Drummer Knudsen Dies...... February 09, 2005 7:53 AM EST........ SAN FRANCISCO - Keith Knudsen, the longtime Doobie Brothers drummer who was part of the band during a string of hits that included "Taking it to the Streets" and "Black Water," died of pneumonia Tuesday. He was 56. Knudsen had been hospitalized for more than a month, according to the band's longtime manager Bruce Cohn. "I just saw him Sunday, just before the Super Bowl," Cohn said. "He was in good spirits. He was weak, but he was OK." Knudsen began drumming in eighth grade and joined the Doobie Brothers in 1974. "After a week's rehearsal, I went on the road with the band," Knudsen said in his biography on the band's Web site. The Doobies were known for incorporating gospel and jazz stylings into popular hit songs. They also were well-regarded for their live performances. Their other hits included "China Grove" and "Jesus is Just Alright." Knudsen played with the Doobies until the band's 1982 farewell tour. During the band's hiatus, Knudsen and bandmate John McFee formed the country rock group Southern Pacific, which released four albums and had several hits. He rejoined the band full-time in 1993. "He's going to be missed," said Tom Johnston, the band's founder. "We're going to miss him on drums. I'm going to miss him as a buddy." Knudsen, who lived in Sonoma County's wine country, had cancer in 1995 Johnston said. "It left him weak and I don't think he ever fully regained all his strength," Johnston said. He said the band was currently performing about 100 concerts a year and is scheduled to release a new album this summer.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 07:33:24 (MST)
Hey Robbie...gonna miss you not being there brother!!!!..Send me your e-mail and address and phone number on back channel. My new e-mail address is < >............and everybody else that has not yet, send me your updated info so I can update my address book.....thanks to all.
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 18:16:16 (MST)
I wanted Fred to know first why I declined the offer to be on the board because he did so much work on getting things done and he was the one that recommended me. Here is the email I sent to him. Fred, I appreciate the offer of being Secretary for the 129th org, and would be proud to serve, but again I must state that I am not planning on attending the San Antonio reunion this year. I think it is important to have all elected members in attendance for the first year. I believe that someone else should be considered for this position for this year. I would be glad to run for a position in a future year. Robbie
Rochester, NY - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 15:30:56 (MST)
Ray thanks I will see the patient adovate that is my next move. Bill Whelan are you coming to the reunion?
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 13:10:38 (MST)
Robbie has e mailed me and has declined nomination for the board.I respect his wishes.I cannot be on the board,health issues here need my attention.I simply do not have the time that it deserves.You guys need to find a replacement for robbie.Tomorrow we vote for an "offical temporery" board untill june elections.I am doing my taxes today,so I will drop off the bylaws later this week.
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 12:46:55 (MST)
hello flight good to try to post buthad to tell rick to go to paoten aveent about your primer care dr, trust me they get you am appt they helped me alot. well tomorrow ifind out how my pet scan went, also my second propastewent. i still hurt bad and still on the couch. but have to at least make it on here some time i know3 in time i get better . and bck on here. how are you doing rob and gale and cc alex and mark. rick i try to call you ok i love you all my brothers and sisters oh gently you take care iam not sure whats going on with the things going on here like president and the things like that but on the history thing i agree fred s should be in on the treasure i like to see thhe borad over ride what ever it is so a non vet can be treasure, for gently has been taking care of the cash since been on, i to hope i dont ofend any one i may not even know what iam talking about if so iam sorry. just know i care much for you all/ ALVIS HOW IS SUE DOING HOW ARE THINGS GOING FOR HER. MY BROTHER MY PRAYES ARE WITH YOU BOTH TAKE CARE KEEP THE FAITK ALL WILL WORK OUT ,A BROTHER ALWAYS LOVE YOU ALL RAY PS IN THAT THING YOU GOT GOINIG IN BE THE NOTE KEEPER AND PROFF READER I CAN DO THAT LOL JUST KIDDING SMILING LOVE YOU ALL
RAY <>
md USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 12:44:53 (MST)
Alex I was wondering if we meed one for the 129th EXE. officer?????????
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 11:31:33 (MST)
Rick Charlie is presently in Commander of troops being prepared for tours in Iraq. Due to a shortage of CSM. I was recalled back in. He does the weekend thing. You call the VHCMA 1-800-842-6201. He or Cinda will be there. I remembered alot when I was on the Board and President of the VHCMA. The is alot of that the Treasuer and EXC. Dir. or Board and voting membership has to hash out. Fred Alvis has 99% of the work getting evething to a point to where membership can vote on the Bylwas and Board. Thake care. Alex
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 08:44:26 (MST)
Alex is there a need for somebody like Charlie at this time or ever? I like the way you suggested the board, Alex.
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 08:24:27 (MST)
Correction!! The Bylaws set the rule to Whom are considered a voting member. Any changes must have a motion and a second. Then a vote by the voting membership. Alex
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 08:10:53 (MST)
Homeless Vets Wait Years for Aid......... John Staresinich is a Purple Heart veteran who has slept in cracks in highway overpasses and abandoned cars, camped out in thin tents next to railroad tracks and fought off rats and bugs in Chinatown flophouses....... In December, he was diagnosed with severe combat-related post-traumatic stress disorder -- 32 years after returning from Vietnam -- and is now getting help from the federal Veterans Affairs in Chicago. He says it took more than a year of begging that agency...... "Soldiers from Iraq are going to come back with PTSD," said Staresinich, 54. "I hope they treat them sooner than they did me."....... Mental health experts are predicting that as many as one-third of all Iraqi veterans will suffer from PTSD, a disabling disorder characterized by flashbacks and war nightmares. A similar percentage of Vietnam veterans have been diagnosed with the disorder -- although it took decades for the government to recognize, treat and compensate those veterans. Still, the VA officially maintains there's no connection between military combat and homelessness. But people who work with veterans believe otherwise. "Many people will tell you that military service is not a significant contributing factor to homelessness. But it clearly is a factor," said Pete Dougherty, national director of the VA's homeless veterans programs. "There are more veterans who have shown up in the ranks of the homeless than their average age cohort." There are 93,000 homeless Vietnam veterans, VA officials say. Illinois has the nation's third-largest population of homeless vets -- about 20,000. Already about 100 soldiers from Iraq have turned up at homeless shelters around the country. And a study released last summer found that 17 percent of early returning Iraqi soldiers suffered from PTSD. Less than half of them had sought mental health care. "I think PTSD is probably higher than it was in Vietnam because of the intensity of this conflict and the fact that we're calling up a whole different demographic category of people for this conflict than we did in Vietnam," said Dr. Ron Davidson, director of the mental health policy program at the University of Illinois at Chicago's psychiatry department. Davidson directs counseling services for the Illinois Family Resource Network, the state's outreach program for National Guard and Reserve family members...... Different demographics...... Most soldiers in Vietnam were under 25, unmarried and had no children, Davidson said. In this war, most soldiers -- especially those from the National Guard and Reserve units -- are older, married and have children. The Defense Department says it is evaluating soldiers before deployment, after they return home and three to six months later to determine whether they are at risk for the disorder. That was certainly not the case when veterans returned from Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s reporting constant fear, sleeplessness, anxiety and violent dreams. The military did not acknowledge their symptoms as a mental disability until 1980. By then, some veterans had been home for 15 years. "The VA has to get out of the mentality of sitting and waiting for the patient to come to them," Davidson said. "This is definitely a perverse part of the system." Homeless veterans are a difficult segment of society to serve. They are transient and, according to VA studies, about 45 percent are mentally ill and 70 percent have substance addictions. The Chicago VA's Homeless Coordinator refused an interview but her office released a list of programs that target homeless veterans, including an outreach effort that tries to get housing for those who are mentally ill. But mentally disabled veterans, like Staresinich, say the VA's bureaucracy -- which demands reams of paperwork and months of haggling -- leaves them waiting for disability decisions and appointments with doctors. "The VA is oriented with procedure," said John Rodriguez, a veterans representative with the Disabled American Veterans in Chicago who files disability claims for homeless veterans. On Thursday, a Chicago Police officer and a social worker brought a homeless Vietnam veteran, a Purple Heart recipient, to Rodriguez. But when Rodriguez tried to get the VA to review the man's case, he was told he couldn't prove the veteran was homeless. Rodriguez had to get affidavits from the cop and the social worker before the VA would take the case. Staresinich says he also ran into obstacles when he went to Hines VA hospital in December 2003, asking to "be committed." "I said I was suicidal. I begged them to help me. I wanted to see a doctor, a psychiatrist. I told them there's something really wrong with my head," said Staresinich, looking gaunt, his steel-blue eyes sunken like a skeleton. "They told me there was a wait for rehab." Staresinich knew he had to have proof of his military service. In his grimy pants pocket, he carried around a tattered copy of his DD-214 form -- his discharge paper. It described another man, a war hero, a South Side 19-year-old who was drafted into the Army in June 1970 and returned home in February 1972 with a fistful of medals. Now, just a whiff of garbage or a refrain from "Nights In White Satin" is all it takes for Staresinich to travel three decades back to the jungles of Vietnam, gunning down whatever moved in his scope. He was a 20-year-old machine- gunner on an assault chopper, a soldier who threw around body parts, destroyed people's homes and killed women and children. "I'm doing this great thing for our country. My parents were proud of me. We were saving these people from communism," he said. After six months immersed in the bloodbath, Staresinich couldn't sleep. In his nightmares, he was confronted with the faces of those he'd slain. That's when another soldier offered him drugs and a drink. "Here, this will make you sleep," he told Staresinich. Thirty-two years, a marriage and several well-paying factory jobs later, Staresinich's battle to forget has cost him everything -- even his shiny war hero's image. "I think about Vietnam about a 100 times a day," Staresinich said. "I hear songs on the radio that take me back. I see the war on TV. This stuff doesn't go away. If anything it gets worse."........ Sleep aids: Beer, gin, drugs....... To avoid recurring, violent nightmares, Staresinich has bought anti-anxiety drugs on the street. His sleep tonic also includes a case of beer or a fifth of gin. In his dreams, the Viet Cong are always chasing him. In recent years, they have come the closest yet to killing him -- having shot him twice and stabbed him once. "In the dream, it seems real. It's like I've never left," he said. "I need medicine. I can't put up with these dreams." About a month after his visit to Hines, Staresinich received a letter from the VA alerting him that he was eligible for health care. Staresinich says he wrote two letters back asking for help. He has several missing teeth and often his teeth ache so bad that he applies medicine directly to his gums. "They never answered back once. I gave up," Staresinich said. He was so desperate for food and money that at one point he considered robbing a Brinks truck. Staresinich said he became homeless about two years ago after his wife locked him out. She had put up with his decades of drinking binges and his three DUIs. They are now in divorce proceedings, he said. He has two daughters, 24 and 18. After more than a year sleeping where he could, doing odd jobs --like delivering dead chickens --Staresinich, who receives food stamps, hooked up with a guy who gets Social Security and has a small apartment. Staresinich trades food stamps to sleep on the couch. But his buddy's got a girlfriend now. Another Vietnam veteran, Dave Marich, who runs a Southeast Side body shop, took Staresinich to a meeting of the Purple Heart veterans service organization. There Staresinich met Rodriguez, the veterans' representative. Staresinich was shocked that he would even qualify for disability. "All those years I thought you had to be an amputee in order to be disabled," Staresinich said. "No one told us differently." On Sept. 3, 2004, Rodriguez filed Staresinich's disability claim for PTSD, unemployability and hearing loss. His file was marked with a dark pink tag to signify that the case involved a homeless veteran and needed to be expedited. It took five months for a decision. On Jan. 7, the VA ruled that Staresinich is 100 percent disabled. Three weeks later, he received a $6,777 check retroactive to September when his claim was filed. He will receive $2,299 a month and plans to get his own apartment so his 18-year-old daughter can live with him. But his veteran friends worry that it may be too late for Staresinich, who, flush with cash, now spends much of his time in neighborhood bars. Another Vietnam veteran, Jerald Szemes, 57, of Michigan City, Ind., became homeless last year while fighting the VA for disability. Last May, Szemes started living in his Ford van. His bed companions were a homemade spear and a bayonet. "In Vietnam, I slept with weapons," Szemes said. "I never got out of the habit." As a Navy Seabee, he built look-out towers in the jungles: "We were like sitting ducks -- 90 feet in the air with no place to go -- taking sniper fire as we were going up there," said Szemes, who tries to steady his shaky hands with a cigarette and a Diet Pepsi. Szemes' military trauma started before he left the United States. In 1969, during boot camp in Gulf Port, Miss., his unit was hit by Hurricane Camille. He spent two weeks picking up bloated bodies. "We had to wear gas masks because the odor was so bad," he said, his voice cracking...... Recurring nightmares....... In Vietnam, he extricated body parts caught in razor wire after enemy soldiers tripped hidden bombs. He lost part of his hearing when a bomb hit his camp. When Szemes returned home, he expected a homecoming. "I was hoping to see a band playing John Philip Sousa, but that wasn't the case," Szemes said. Instead Szemes and other veterans were told not to congregate and not to travel together in order to avoid protesters at the airport. Health experts say being welcomed home is an important factor in a soldier's recovery from painful war experiences. Back home, Szemes, a construction worker, wasn't able to keep a job. After Vietnam, he developed a fear of heights and couldn't climb ladders. He couldn't hear anyone unless they were speaking directly to him. By 1986, Szemes' disorder was out of control. "I knew something was wrong. I was angered with people. I was depressed and paranoid and having nightmares," he said. Several of his recurring nightmares involve a 6-year-old hurricane victim whose body was so badly decomposed that her bones were sticking out. Another involves the body of a man he and others are freeing from tree limbs when it falls on them, raining down maggots and body parts. On May 2, 1986, Szemes rigged up a rope and tried to hang himself, but his roommate discovered him and cut him down. Szemes' mother called the VA hospital and asked to have him committed. He spent three weeks in the psychiatric ward at Hines, but was released when he told the doctor he was all right, he said. After he hit a man with a pipe three months later, he landed in the hospital again -- this time for treatment for alcoholism. "They should have told me that I had PTSD," Szemes said angrily. He was treated for several heart attacks from 1996 to 2002 at Hines and learned he has Agent-Orange-related diabetes. Nurses told him to file for disability pay. On Feb. 4, 2003, Szemes filed for disability compensation for hearing loss, diabetes and PTSD. The head of Hines' Post-traumatic Clinical Team diagnosed Szemes with combat-related PTSD. Because Szemes lives in Indiana, his claim was filed with the VA regional office in Indianapolis. In August 2003, that office rated him 30 percent disabled. It denied his hearing loss and PTSD claim. Szemes appealed the decision. After months of waiting and trying to live on $310 in disability pay, Szemes was forced to move into his van. A Michigan City couple allowed him to park near their garage and run an extension chord to power a space heater........ Still a prisoner of trauma....... Meanwhile, Szemes' nightmares continued. In one, Szemes relives the death of a Vietnamese boy who was run over by an asphalt truck. The boy was trapped between two giant wheels, and he was burned by the asphalt. The boy died, but his screams still haunt Szemes. Last October, Szemes' counselor introduced him to Rodriguez, who had the case transferred to Chicago. In December, Szemes was rated 100 percent disabled. In January, Szemes received a check for $37,000, retroactive to when he first filed his claim in 2003. Szemes paid off credit cards that he lived on for two years and rented an efficiency apartment in Michigan City. He just celebrated two years of sobriety. But Szemes says he is still a prisoner of his war traumas. Every time it rains, his mind goes back to the hurricane and the bodies. Loud noises make him uneasy. He takes 23 prescription pills a day. He attends PTSD group therapy each week, and he avoids people, spending much of his day sitting alone in his tiny apartment. He knows he'll be dependent on the government for the rest of his life.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 07:58:27 (MST)
Flight: Goodmorning Brothers and Sisters of the 129th. Rick was good talking to yesterday. I agree with Rick that Fred Skaggs would be a great historian for the 129th. AS for a newsletter. At the moment it would be to costley to have a newsletter containing more that a few pages to be printed and mailed out. Due that we have a small numbers of us at the present. Whom ever decides to do the newsletter could do a mass email, this would save a great cost to the 129th Asso. Fred Alvis has done a great job getting the 129th Asso. to where it is. I think he should be on the Board due to his dedication to this project. I haven't had a chance to back log all the commo on voting and membership. But,I agree that there should 5 board members. Pres./ Vice Pres. and 3 members at large. Other positions doesn't need to be a Board member. Such as Treasuer or Secretary. As far as membership I think someone mentioned Non- vets would be an Assoiate member. The would ge all the same as a Vet. But, wouldn't be able to hold a position on the board or cast a vote. Now that would be up to the board to over-ride on associate voting. I hope I haven't offended anyone. Just wanted to give alittle input. Like I have stated. Everyone whom I have met is Board material. I know each of you will work together as a team for the good of the 129th Family and our newly born 129th Asso. Always A Brother Alex
Collierville, TN. USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 07:38:44 (MST)
Thanks Fred... that helps! I was falling behind in keeping up with all the 129th Ass'n. commo and you came to my rescue. It's great we can lean on each other in times of need, and it's a good thing for us to use our collective experience to help educate others about Vietnam. Mark, this is the second year in a row a group from our church has gone to Chile on small church build projects. We built two this year with a team of 17. Besides the experience of helping the locals, I got to enjoy a little South American summer and saw a lot of interesting country! I can give you a little more info on the back channel if you want to know more. It was a hoot! Chile's what I'd describe as a "developing" country. There are many modern amenitites, such as fiber optics and internet cafes in the cities (the best communications infrastructure in South America), but most houses still don't have a telephone. It reminds me of the USA in the 1940's.
Dave Powers
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 07:19:09 (MST)
concerning the VA 50% service connected does not have to pay anything that is the min. This is bullshit we were promised total no matter what when we joined so we get screwed again. Excuse my grammar I'm pissed. I can't even get a damm appointment with my primary care, so called doctor.
Rick Englnad
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 06:44:17 (MST)
not withstanding what i have stated,its up to the board to decide our course of action.I have sinply tried to get us legal.As of wensady,I will turn over the tax numbers to whomever is elected as tresuarer.I will fully support the board and their decesions.I will a file tax report for "04",so they truely can start fresh.I have seen discussed a news letter,perhaps by freddy.Darn good idea,thank you for that.This is indeed the ground floor,your input is important.
USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 22:02:38 (MST)
hmm, Dave, the 129th ahc thing I am trying to get registered is a" not for profit",veterans group.Its intent is social interaction between 129th ahc members,their friends and family.Its also listed as an organization interested in educationing folks about veterans issues concerning vietnam.futhermore,its interested in obtaining grants to acqurie a static display ( slick on a stick) of a huey mounted somewhere,perhaps outside of Marks muesem.Hopefully,we can rent marks place for a buck a year or something to beat the tax man for mark,and us.Its also hopefully,a tax deferral place for donations made to the xmas fund or reunion fund.Also hopefully,it cAN Help with the web site cost.We hope to contact more members of the 129th ahc.Elections will be held wensday for the first board,to do the ground work and set up a true agenda.Formal elections will be held at the reunions each june.i set into the bylaws 5 board positions.Dues are to be set by them,as discussed at the last reunion,I heard 20 dollars being mentioned.We have no political stance on folks running for office (officaly).To sum it up.we are a social organization,intent of finding more of our brothers and supporting each others lifes problems as we grow older.
USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 21:44:02 (MST)
Hey dave, just wondering, Why Chile. None of my business if ya dont want to say. I dont travel much so I wouldnt know if Chile was a place to visit or not........always a brother
USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 21:31:33 (MST)
Flight: Well 5 months until San Antonio. Been sending out letters to 129ther's whom I had found an address on. Hopefully I will get a respond. We many Brothers out there that don't know we are here. I am working on a few ways to try and locate them. I have copies of orders that some of you sent. And I am presently trying to get a location so, I can sent a 129TH Welcome Home Letter with all the information about the 129th and our web site. Tom Pedersen has been working on finding the pilots. Tom appreciate all you work. Always A Brother Alex.
Collierville, TN USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 13:49:56 (MST)
Back home from 2 weeks in Chile... looks like I missed a lot. Carl Brader... yep, I heard from Shorty a couple of weeks ago. He's heading off to Canada to stay a while. He had a cancer scare, too but it appears to have been a benign growth in his throat of some sort. Fred S... the lake is called Pueblo Reservoir built by the US Bureau of Reclamation. Pretty good warm water fishery as I understand! Fred A... maybe you can give me a "Readers Digest" version on the 129th Association, its function and structure (I've been falling behind on my reading). Jeffrey Dahmer???
Dave Powers
USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 09:56:05 (MST)
AND THE HITS KEEP ON COMING..........NYT: Bush Budget Raises Prescription Prices for Veterans........ The veterans are getting the whammy again.......... President Bush's budget would more than double the co-payment charged to many veterans for prescription drugs and would require some to pay a new fee of $250 a year for the privilege of using government health care, administration officials said Sunday. The proposals, they said, are in the $2.5 trillion budget that Mr. Bush plans to unveil on Monday. White House officials said the budget advanced his goal of cutting the deficit, which hit a record last year.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 09:30:39 (MST)
ha, is that a question? .......don't forget to send me updated info on you guys. Such as e-mail address, home address, phones #'s if you want them to be updated on the page. My new address is
USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 09:26:57 (MST)
i day haer keep off ok
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lome, togo togo - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 08:58:24 (MST)
Ok, Mark, you've encouraged me! Maybe I WON'T get off my soap box! Perhaps it is that until one has been around a vet and/or his/her family, the average person just doesn't have any idea of the sacrifices that have been made. Or the pain a vet silently endures. Mark, it has been said before and will be said again & again; the "GIFT" of this web site cannot be measured....the ripples keep spreading outward...continuing....forever!
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 21:44:59 (MST)
So true Sue.....I guess thats what this site is all about.........It's good to know that the whole world can see through the 129th site what that forgetten war was all about and the after affects 40 yeras later,still.........God Bless you guys. All those years nobody listen, or shunned you, or degraded you, or spit on you are gone here in this place. This place is your's. As I have said before, until my last breath I will tell "YOUR" story and hopefully it will continue when I'm gone. Anyways, God knows your trials and whats in your hearts.............Peace be with you...........always, always , always a brother and sister, Mark & Dee
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 20:39:09 (MST)
I'm not watching the Super Bowl, but Jim told me about the Anheuser Busch commercial thanking the men and women serving in today's military. I emailed A.B., on behalf of all the family of the 129th, and said I greatly appreciate the support of today's troops, but when would someone PUBLICLY thank the VietNam vets. I realize the ad was to make the troops aware of an offer to attend one of the theme parks, but there are so many that still JUST DON'T GET IT! You bet I'm long as there is even one of you that remains unsupported, neglected, denied benefits, and who have not been appreciated. Ok, I'll get off my soap box now, but dang that makes me mad! Sue H
Jim & Sue H.
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 19:29:00 (MST)
WOW..McCartney nailed the half time show. Only part of the game I will watch. 100% turn around from last years crap................Fred A. How about some trivia on Paul and the Beatles?..............." IN THE END,THE LOVE YOU TAKE, IS EQUAL TO THE LOVE YOU MAKE" I love you 129th family................
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 18:40:37 (MST)
Fred A.....Your welcome brother. You had made the request that after January if I would send you the photo of the Blue Star spraying angent orange. I wanted to keep the calander that I have intact so the next best thing to do was to get you one. I want to try and get some 129th ships on the upcomeing ones. Was 50 degrees here in Ohio yesterday. Love to all.............always a brother..........
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 16:14:06 (MST)
On heli vets we call them tins Alvis knows. This is no shit. Fred Skaggs if you would bc me your address and I will send you a copy of the newsletter from VHCMA. It doesn't have to be as long as theirs' maybe just one page.
Rick England
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 09:39:19 (MST)
still chuckling...thats a good one Donnie
USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 17:15:52 (MST)
Mark,thank you for the calender,its very thoughtful of you.It really surprised me.First page,january, they are spraying agent orange around Ninh Hoa,the second place I was stationed.Interresting how they did that from a chopper....GALE and DEBBIE..thank you for your kindness,it touched Susan's heart.When I got home from work,she started telling me about it ...and she started crying because of your kindness. She cries easily these days..thats the first one for kindness tho ( that I have seen)...thank you, you both are good people. Susan has finished typing up the by-laws, I will try to drop them off tuesday or wensday, my days off.
USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 17:13:45 (MST)
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lexington, NC USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 17:04:48 (MST)
Rick, war stories is something I don`t do well, most of the stuff you get is second or third hand, people embellish things and like Fred Alvis said,"mis-represents the facts of the true heros and down right lies about their actions". I`ll do what I love best, music and trivia, the humor of Nam and the Army. Maybe take a occasional shot at the V.A. for their total disregard of veterans issues. Hell, Ann Coulter questioned Max Cleland`s injuries from Nam in her book, Max is missing three limbs and sitting in wheel chair, so war stories I just can`t do. Events and stuff like that, everyone on here does a good job of informing everyone. And ME off all people, I don`t need anymore controversy than I`ve already created on the web site. Rick, music and trivia that`s cool for me........BTW...Great to see ya posting Pete.....I need a fresh phone number from you....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 16:37:44 (MST)
HELLO tO all, Ye Its me, all is well in the frozen north, I hate winter, to cold to ride, have to be out in it all day, but what are we going to do, I guess we are stuck with it. But I got the itch, I am picking my Vacation weeks, and ready for SAN ANTON,I am going to ride , but would really, like to split a room with someone,but I smoke, and snore, I have been told? but I cant swear to that? So get back to me on that, OK. I just talked to RAY, he sounds pretty good,and he will know more soon, about his problems. But he said he will be in TX. Mark, I am sorry,about your Dad.that had to be a tough one. Well I got work to do around here, but will be, standing by. Your Brother Pete
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Cleveland, USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 10:08:11 (MST)
Sorry about the spelling I thought I did the spell check. Shit happens.
Rick England
USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 09:11:07 (MST)
Susan you are beatiful and always will be so. I don't know about Fred, he could chase me out of a hooch.hehehehehehe******Fred Skaggs in Heli-Vets and VHCMA there is a historian or a person that does a newsletter with info and war stories, updates on the reunions this is not a board member but a permanat position with help from others and the whole organization. This could be brought up at the reunion meeting or if there is a agenda put it on.******Now NOW Judith lets don't pubilish to much here.hehehehehehehe*******Flight be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 09:09:49 (MST)
There is a new book out there about helicopter folks. Its called "taking fire".While the events in the book are true, the author steals the thunder,mis-represents the facts of the true heros and down right lies about his actions ,acording to some folks that were in the unit AND FLYING cover for him.BTW,there were 9 pilots that won the Medal of Honor in Nam.Ok , I still have to type (susan does, bless her heart) the bylaws to be turned in next week.GENTLY,is "defacto", the treasurer.That spot on the board is just about in name only.And Gently,all of us really thank you for the work you have done.A wise board would leave it as it is.Animal is right,most work is done by a few and gently has done much.That being said,we HAVE to have a member,if nothing else,in name only,as treasuer.Thank you for the nomination gently,but i have way to much starting to happen in my home.Rick,or someone,would be a better choice.Ricks a darn good guy.Up date on Susan...we went to the chemo doc today.Susan will start chemo ( i think) next week.It will last for 5 months,then 2 more months of raditation.chemo is every 2 are hoping that the reunion will fall between her treatments.Yes ,she will loose her hair,all of it,eye brows,under get the picture.chemo should last till july.radition till sept of oct. If you see a bearded guy,with head shaved,and a good looking shelia with a wig,that will be us.
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 19:23:22 (MST)
Nope....not drinkin' ether! {:< )/}-- <--------<
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 17:47:14 (MST)
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 17:43:54 (MST)
Gently.....It'd Winks money:-)))))))
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 17:39:53 (MST)
I just found $50.....go figure. :>)) Gently
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 15:26:26 (MST)
Had a couple laughs reading today: Robbie's joke, and "Bob's" rules of order. Good ones:>))) Fred Alvis for Treasurer...Fred Alvis for Treasurer. Rick and I get to goofey when we get together...we could never work as a team:>)) We play as a team! Right Rick? Barbie!!!! Great to hear from you! Now get off the computer and get practicing!! Oh, it will be more like 100 people all in formal attire, a couple Senators and the Governor. I emailed John Dillman, our 129er who is still fighting wars, this one in Iraq right now, but I haven't heard back yet. Anyone else try? Nice job getting everything in order Mr. Alvis. A hug to Sue. Ray, Ray....we love you and miss you. Alex, so we don't have to type large letter for you anymore? Yeah!!! Bob's Rules of Order---that's funny:>)) And so 129th-ish! I'm still laughing. Lovin ya all-Gently
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 15:11:48 (MST)
How do you remember this stuff? I can't remember where I put my ahhhhh
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 14:38:52 (MST)
Freddie Boy.. With that info you just gave us,it's official....."YOU ARE" the "U.M.T.H." of the 129th!!!!
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 13:10:46 (MST)
Is there a position for a "Unit Music and Trivia Historian"? BTW.......guitarist Jeff "Skunk" Baxter began in 1969 with the psychedelic group Ultimate Spinach. He joined Steely Dan for their 1972 debut album "Can't Buy a Thrill", and stayed through "Pretzel Logic" in 1974. He moved on to the Doobie Brothers through their most successful period, highlighted by the hits "What a Fool Believes" and "Minute by Minute." His guitar work has enhanced the recordings of a wide range of artists, from Dolly Parton to Bryan Adams to Freddie Hubbard. He also ventured behind the studio console to produce several albums for the group Nazareth........ In the meantime, Baxter developed a strong interest in high-tech military issues, particularly in missile defense systems. Although he was self-educated, he became so knowledgeable that he was hired as a consultant by the Bush administration and by several U.S. Congressmen. He currently sits on the Board of Regents of the Potomac Institute, a Washington research organization. He consults with a number of defense contractors as well as a number of government agencies, on missile defense, counter-terrorism.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 12:58:47 (MST)
Kim, Key west is undoubtably a great place, but the VFW here in Puna is at a latitude of 19.5 degrees, making it the southernmost post in the U.S.............Rules, bylaws,etc...........I really appreciate what you're doing Alvis. They are neccesary if we are to get donations,or grants. However, I would feel badly about excluding anyone because they don't meet the "letter" of the law. In my experience with a couple of non-profit boards, the work was done by those that showed up and participated whether or not they were officially on the board. As far as "Robert's rules of Order", I prefer the more relaxed "Bob's" rules.(LOL). With Respect, Greg
Puna, HI USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 11:48:13 (MST)
Flight: Glad to see alot of commo. First I want to say it's an honor to part of the 129th Family. Over the years meeting so many of you, has brought some closure for me. All of you have contributed to making the 129Th Unit and this Web Site what it is today. Mark had vision!! With a heavy heart for the loss of Larry. He was determine to follow his vision. And here we all are. Mark from all of us and our families Thank you!!! This web site has come a long way. We have a 129th Family that consist of great men whom severd their country proudly. Their families, we have families & friends of our KIA's/POW's. And proud Americans whom wear our pow's braclets. What a Family of people here at the 129th. Just remember my 129th family. Everyone of you are worthy of being on the Board as we take the 129th to next level. Mark, Gently, Don, Rick,Kim Robbie and a special thanks to Fred Alvis and to all the rest of you. You all have made a difference to the 129th. Always A Brother!! Alex PS. Ray was good talking to you. I know everything will get better for you. Fred & Susan you also in our prayers. With help of our lord we will over come and see all back to a healthy life.
Collierville, Tn. USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 09:16:32 (MST)
Rick E. I 2nd that motion about Gently..Wink, Thanks.......BTW Wink, I lost 50 bucks. have you seen it? ;-))))).
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 09:04:40 (MST)
I also agree with the nominees except I think Judith should be treasurer with the nominated treasurer if that makes sense. She also will be in the meetings. The one nominated will help her in what tasks their are. The fund can pay her if that is what needs to be done. Any suggestions on this?
Rick England
USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 08:36:14 (MST)
mark, the sooner you realize you are not an outsider, an i say agian, not an outsider,the happier we all be . you an your family has made the ultimate sacerfice an in my book that entitle you for anything an dude, accept it. whether you like it or not you are a big part of the 129th.enough said....... i also agree with the choose of nominees. kim if you are down way stop in you can lay over for a day or beats paying for a motel. from 010 with love wink 3/69- 10/70
lake wales, fl USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 08:13:28 (MST)
OUCH!!! ;-)))).that spanking still hurts Don, Greatful to you all what you have done for me. With that said, I take the call of being a CORNERSTONE, but you guys are the FOUNDATION I rest on. Fair enough? I love you guys, have I said that yet today????
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 22:22:49 (MST)
Mark, are you ready to get chewed out ? you better be 'cause here it comes .......... first of all are you familiar with the term "CORNERSTONE" ? I don't know what more you feel you need to do. if it wasn't for what you have done so far NONE of this would be happening. very few of us would know about what has happened to the other guys in the unit. I say "very few of US" but I have to admit if it hadn't been for this site I would probably not be included in the "US" group. I found nothing about the 129th till I was told about this site. since then I have found other info on other sites but most of my info has come from here. so when you think you should do more ........ do it (as in DON'T GIVE UP ON US) HECK EVEN MY LITTLE WEB SITE IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. but don't you EVER feel guilty of not doing enough. remember you started this mess so live with it. we all love you and what you have done for us. as for the board members that have been nominated. I agree 100%. these men are a great choice to get us off the ground so to speak. enough for tonight ............ Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 21:28:17 (MST)
Key West, home of the 'Duval Crawl', Mallory square, Key West Diner, Fort Zachory Taylor, VFW Post 3911, Southernmost is the U.S. We love it there !!! Last year we went in February, and had to come home to winter. This year, by waiting till late March, maybe we can come back to spring?.....We'd love to meet as many Bite and Strike types as possible on our way down through the eastern seaboard. Fred's place, or a nearby restaurant would be great! Any thought's Fred?? I'm flattered to be offered a position on the 129th association board. At first, my feelings went toward keeping the officers in the central U.S. due to the distance issue. If we can do most of this by email, or chatroom, I'm willing to serve....Alvis, Susan, Ray G....thinking good thoughts for all to go well in the coming days. Faith!!!
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 19:48:12 (MST)
Fred A,the 433rd medical detachment was part of 129th in 1966 & 1967
J.W. Wilson
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 19:29:56 (MST)
To be honest with you guys that have particpated in the Bylaw stuff, it's all very confusing to me and thats why I'm greatful to you all that you are doing it. This Saturday I am meeting with the webmaster to start to take more control over the web site so things can be updated more rapidly. I still need you that read this LOG to send me your e-mail addresses so I can update them and for those who didnt catch my new one it's this.....< >...........God Bless.......
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 19:03:10 (MST)
Do not forget the 394th TC
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 18:39:16 (MST)
Thats great Mark, absolutly great! That being said,flight,Susan just mentioned to be prepared for a few crazies,shrug,it happens,key board cowboys and all that.Sure hope it does tip a few members our way,great idea...Paul, its up to the board,but I did put into the bylaws a condition that support units of the 129th could join.While you were in a medavak unit,in theory,you guys did support us somewhat.A good question for the board.
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 13:39:45 (MST)
kim; i see by the board that you are going to key west, have you been there before. you might want to check out a group of islands called the dry tortugas. i was in key west once and missed going for money reasons and i have kicked my self many times. it is billed as the most remote of the national parks. also question for all the 129th assn. would you guys consider the 498th a support unit for membership in the 129th assn.
paul mcgrath
oglesby, il USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 11:49:45 (MST)
If you get to the intro to the chat room here it has download spots for programs that will run it. If you already have a program just click on the (here) at the top of the page were it tells you to.
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 10:57:36 (MST)
BTW.......for the next year the 129th and it's web address is being annouced as an underwriter at mid/day, everyday, on Christain radio station, WBLC, out of Taylor Universtity, Upland IN. Channel. 90.3----89.5--and---88.1 on the FM dail. Reaches from IN, to MI, to OH and then some. Well over a couple hundred thousand people. Surly a lost brother out there will here it. Cant wait to get the first call. The spot says. THIS PART OF THE MIDAY SHOW IS UNDERWRITEN BY THE 129TH ASSAULT HELICOPTER COMPANY ASSOCIATION. COLDWATER OHIO. ON THE WEB AT WWW.129TH.NET.....................
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 10:53:36 (MST)
CHAT ROOM........there is a chat room on this site. it can be accessed at the bottom of any of the pages except the first one. Even at the bottom of this page. It is called IRC , or internet relay chat, I think. You do have to have the correct program to get to it. I run Windows XP now and can get there in a heart beat. ALSO.I was advised by Rick Jensen, of this site, that those of us that have MSN can meet in rooms on that program also. Which I have yet to figure out. I'm not the brightest bulb here ya know;-)))...I go along with anything that you guys decide on the Asso. stuff. Actaully I feel bad that I havent been more of a part of the process. Shoot gang. you Vets did your job 30 some years ago, you shouldnt have to go through all this business stuff too. But I guess thats the way it has to be done. Fred Alvis, I say second the motion for your nominations for the board, and cast the vote of yea in all departments. God bless you guys for all your work then, and now. I have never met more deephearted people in my life and it is an absolute honor to be considered a friend of yours. I am, and always will be your brother,.......
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 10:45:06 (MST)
by the way,since we arent operational yet,can we say that everyone can vote..even our 129th family of friends? this would be their only chance, and It would honer them.
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 10:01:23 (MST)
I have done the best I could.I apoligise for my lack of knowledge and skill.It isnt fair that those who have done so much,cant be full voting members.Goverenment guidlines prevent it. I am sorry.This site wouldnt be possible with out Mark Jackson.Gently has done much work,behind the scenes as well as up front.( like an iceburg,only 1/3 is seen).Alex started work long ago,on trying to get us all together.Rick England has helped along the way.There are others who I dont mention,but thanks.I have no authority to appoint anyone to anything.we need to have a body in place till full elections in june,at the reunion.Lets nominate and vote wensday for a temp board.I have tried to ease the way by all the email things I included in the bylaws.The board, will, thru due course,change things as needed to futher ease things as they see fit.For president,I nominate Alex.He has done much already and has been a guiding hand from the beginning...vice president KIm.He has a keen mind and a balance.Robbie as secretary,he has done much to help me in this endevor...Treasurer, Rick england..he helps gently and has put some of his own funds toward the 129th already,and as chaplin,jim Westwang,( aka smitty) he surronds himself and truely believes in a higher power he choses to call GOD.I respect all of these men.They are honest,truthful,and not afraid to call a spade a spade.There are many good choices,I agonised over this choice.I wanted ray,but he has his plate full at this time,as do some others.Thank guys.I await your nominations.till careful out there.
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 09:55:18 (MST)
ok flight,heres the rest of the proposed by laws.There aren't 8 articles as I first thought,we dont need them or they dont apply to us.,,Article 4- Section 1: Board role.size,and composition.The board is responsible for overall policy and direction of the 129th AHC Association and may delegate responsibility for day to day operations to different committees. The Board shall have up to 5 members and no fewer than 3. The Board receives no compensation other than reasonable expenses. Section 2: Meetings - The Board shall meet monthly at an agreed time and place. This may be done by e-mail or on the 129th web site. Section 3: Board elections - Up to 5 members shall be elected by general membership. Section 4: Board Committees - Committees may serve 1 year terms. Board members shall be responsible for those committees. Section 5: Election Procedures - Nominees shall be paid up-to-date memebers. All members receive one full vote. Elections may be held by mail or e-mail. The nominees receiving the largest number of votes shall be elected to full term vacancies that exist. Section 6: Terms - all board members shall serve 1 year terms but are eligible for re-election. Section 7: Quorum - A quorum must be at least 30% of Board Members before business can be transacted or motions made or passes. Section 8: Notice - An official board meeting requires each board member have written or email notice 2 weeks in advance. Section 9: Officers and Duties - There shall be 5 Officers of the Board, consisting of President,Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer and Chaplin. Board members shall be elected at yearly general membership meetings in June. Their duties are as follows: President - shall convene regularly scheduled board meetings or arrange for other members of the board to preside at each meeting in the following order: Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, Chaplin. All meetings may be held by e-mail. Vice-President - will chair committees designated by the board. Secretary - shall be responsible for keeping records at all Board meetings, sending out meeting announcements and assuring Association records are maintained. Treasurer - shall chair the Finance committee, report at Board meetings, help develop fundraising plans and make financial information available to board members as well as general membership. Section 10: Vacancies - when a vacancy exists it may be filled by board appointment at a regular meeting. All vacancies will be filled only to the end of that particular board members term. Section 11: Resignation, Termination and Absences - Resignation from the board must be in writing and received by the Secretary. A Board member may be removed by a 3/5 vote of the Board. Section 12: The Board may set dues schedules for memberships. Article 5: Section 1 - Committees: The Board may create committees as needed. Section 2 - Personnel Committee - the Board as a whole is responsible for hiring. Article 6: Amendments - These by-laws may be amended when necessary by a 3/5 majority of the Board. Article 7: Business Meetings - All meetings, except the June membership meeting, may be done by email or on the 129th web site. Article 8: The 129th AHC Association has no political agenda.
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 08:59:08 (MST)
I think Kim's idea about using the first meeting to draft by-laws is a real good idea. Kind of what I was eluding to. If there is a chat room somewhere, maybe this could be done there if'n you wanted to get it done before Texas.................................... Amish couple had just been married and went to a hotel for their honeymoon. The Amish man went to the front desk and asked for a room. He said this occasion was very special to them and they needed a good room. The clerk winked and asked "Do you want the Bridal? The Amish fellow thought about it a while and then replied, "No, I guess not, I'll just hold onto her ears until she gets used to it."
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 08:33:43 (MST)
article 2,section 1 of the proposed by laws have been changed to read thusly..Appication for voting membership shall be open to 129th ahc vietnam vereran or support company of the 129th ahc and ect ect. it was reading to any war veteran ect,ect,
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 08:26:51 (MST)
rick, its thursday,feb, 10th., it was changed so they advertise it more.
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 07:57:33 (MST)
Did I miss it the shadow of the blade??????
Rick England
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 06:24:33 (MST)
1.00 where do you buy cards?? hehehehehehe******Feb 3 isn't that the shadow of the blade?????
Rick England
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 05:35:07 (MST)
J.W. I was sitting here thinking the same thing. I flew a bunch of missions with Fred S. and still have not gotten together with him. I am near Mooresville which is just north of Charlotte. Actually with the growth going on it is all built together. It would be a couple of hours down I-40 for me but I am game. Keep me informed. Fred S. has my phone number.
Jeff Sauers
Lake Norman, NC USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 21:12:10 (MST)
Kim, It would be great if all the guys who live in N.C. could get together and meet you and Linda on your trip to Florida or back up. Who lives in N.C. ? Mark, I am sorry to learn about Spence. Avis and Ray, you are in my thoughts.
J.W. Wilson
Kinston N. C., USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 20:59:29 (MST)
Another way of breaking a tie. I only get to vote when there is a tie on any issues that come before our union. That could be written into the by-laws, and would solve any attendance issues too! BTW, that rodent sucks!!!! I'm ready to pack up Linda and head to key West, unfortunately, it won't happen till the end of March. :>((. Fred, J.W., we'll be driving through somewhere around the 22nd. Alvis, great work on getting this thing incorporated. ONe suggestion would be to use the first meeting to form a committee to draft by-laws which would make things run smooth, without having to hold a meeting to do all the little things that must happen to stay legal. Is there any way to incorporate 129th support members? After all, we were considered 'Combat Support', even though helicopter crews sufferred the second highest casualty rates of the Vietnam war!! with all the bad news about veteran's benefits, it's nice to see someone trying to increase the death benefit. It's a start....clear left
Livermore, Me USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 19:18:17 (MST)
I'm new to this via Pam Bailey and Wm Dunlap's bracelet, but I am learning that you are all so very, very special. Just got a note from one of you who said he was rattling my chain so I didn't forget you. NO WAY!!! I'm on the site more than you know, but I have my "shy" side! I'm just learning why you all love Gently! She certainly has her way!!! Because I work for a hotel company I volunteered to assist her with the April event in Wisconsin, and then I decided to attend, SO NOW I am the "entertainment" at the banquet. GO GENTLY! Who else could get an unknown person to travel 1200 miles on a train lugging a guitar and to sing for 50 people? Only Gently! Looking forward to meeting those of you who go to San Antonio later this year when I bring the bracelet.
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 17:04:23 (MST)
I dont plan on leaving the site, I like this place.I think I have all I need in the by laws i am stealing,oops, borrowing,with a few changes.There is no way i can get a tax free status for a veterans group without limiting "full" members. I seems unfair,and looks ungrateful, but I know of nothing I can do to change it.You guys send cards and stuff to ray, he knows you and it would mean alot to him.
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 15:21:56 (MST)
Oh ya! I forgot about the tax deduction. :>))) Gently
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 15:11:37 (MST)
Gently, I thought a $ was pretty good. I was trying to give you a tax break in that you would receive the $ and then you could donate it to the assc. and then claim a deduction. HEE-HEE. You are right tho unless we have a paid person it should be handled by a board member.
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 14:06:02 (MST)
Funny, funny, Gale. That will cost you a beer at Kokomo this Septemnber...not a beer, dah! I mean a bottle of good Merlot! L-G
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 12:20:14 (MST)
Gently, look at it this way.......$1.00 is .50 more than you get at Kokomo!! ;o)))) Heeheehhehhehehhhehehehee How 'bout that Rick E. ??
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 11:47:47 (MST)
$1!!!!! Boy am I cheap:>))) A full 129er, not an associate, should be handling your monies guys. As much as I don't mind doing it, it should be done by your treasurer. Fred, I'm so sorry to hear about your news. Please let us know what you need, and don't leave the site whjile you're caring for may need us more than you ever have. Family, let's get some cards to Susan. The address is on the "contact" page. And as some have noticed, Ray's not around that much anymore. He's in greeat pain. A card or two would help him also. A dollar...geez...:>)))Kidding:>))
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 11:25:13 (MST)
Alvis, I received a copy of my old union's by-laws today. If you want to look at them for reference and ideas send me your address and I will send them to you. Am using my wife's computer until my new parts come in. Take care and God Bless.
Rick Jensen <>
Clovis, NM USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 11:01:49 (MST)
welcome back Jim. Good input about the board.Thanks, I need all the help I can get. Ok, how about full membership open to only 129th folks and its support companys,or shall we make it just the 129th?
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 10:27:43 (MST)
just a short note to let everyone know i'm back online.take care all, i look forward to texas and meeting more new people. fred take care of susan, and everyone else take care,,,jim
jim oliver <'''''''>
pembroke, ga USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 08:56:18 (MST)
PIns can be used since I still have couple bags left. I will bring them to the reunion.
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 07:30:22 (MST)
A few thoughts on the board. First Fred you are doing a great job on this. I have served on board of our property owners assosiation and you are correct that board needs to be an odd number of members just in case a tie breaking vote is needed. (i can't imagine any of the 129th disagreeing but.....) We did this by havig a Pres., VP, Sec, and Treas with fifth member being a Member at Large. For other jobs either needed all the time or on a as needed basis the board would appoint a assosiation member(usually a volunteer) to accomplish the mission. Another thing is if only 129th veterans can be "full" members of the assosiation and others ie Gently, Katherine, etc will be assosiate members then they are precluded from holding office so we would have to have a member be treasurer and pay Gently to be the accountant which she does such a great job of. This also provides a line of continuity on the financial end as electwed officers change. Gently's fee could be a dollar a year and we would still be legal. Company store, Chapalin etc would all be appointed positions reporting to the board. Just some ideas that have worked where I am. Eveyone take care and if Paxsutawny Phil is correct keep warm for another six weeks. I think someone should take a contract out on that overgrown rodent. Jeff 70-71.
Lake Norman, NC USA - Wednesday, February 02, 2005 at 06:52:52 (MST)
good points Robbie. We have to have by laws to get state and federal recognization for the non tax,not for profitt, status.As it stands right now,the 129th ahc assoc. is a business,according to the state of Indiana and the feds.At the moment,the business is at my home addy,as well as in my name.I have to file a tax report this year for it. Nothing is due nor owed,as no cash has changed hands nor are there any employees.The problem is..tho we/I owe nothing,a hundred dollar fine is imposed if i dont file on it.( dont you just love the tax folks).As soon as this thing gets up and runing,( I have the federal tax number),I want to hand this thing over to the 129th.....and .if you guys approve,turn the tax number over to Gently,since she does all the banking and money stuff.Thats for the board to decide.I have the next 2 days off,so i will finish the by laws.If you guys approve,i will then mail it off( acutally drive downtown to the tax place ) and submitt it for goverenment approval.Then all thats left to do is get a board up and running.Folks,things here arent going as well as Susan and I had hoped.My time is going to be very restricted soon.I told them at work that i cant take training for my promotion,nor do i want it at this time as i need to spend time at home and dont need the distractions all that entails.So lets get some guys on the board,not me,that will run with this,after i do the leg work.By the way,we are going to need a "company store", you know, for hats,shirts,pins,bumper stickers ect.any ideas? i think Rick England ahd something going on this. Folks should at least get a hat for joining the 129th ahc,You agree?
USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 21:15:18 (MST)
Fred, I agree that we should get a board elected, and that it should be a small number such as 3 or 5. So with that said, here is the definition. * The board is a permanent part of the organization provided for in the bylaws Members of the board are temporary agents elected to act in an administrative capacity. 1 The board only has the power delegated to it in the bylaws or by vote of the general membership. 2 Board meetings are confidential unless other provisions apply. Business is not discussed with other members of the organization until that information is issued to all members or to the public. 3 Members may be invited to attend meetings to give info or expert advice, but they do not necessarily remain for deliberations. They are never allowed to vote. 4 The formality of meetings will depend on the size and custom of the group. #2 says that the board only has the power delegated to it in the bylaws or by vote of the general membership, so I'm not sure which needs to come first, the bylaws or the board election... (chicken or the egg) Rob
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 13:10:00 (MST),, and Veterans for Common Sense(.org), though perhaps too liberal for some, does a very good job of keeping us abreast of Veteran benefit concerns, cuts, budgets, etc. You can also stay up-to-date on Veteran legislation through Vietnam Veterans of America( All of the above, except for Salon I believe, will allow you to sign up to receive legislative news, important alerts, and world news via their free email lists. Even if you find their "news" not in line with your thinking, you might at least want to pay attention to what they say regarding Veteran issues. If you think our new Veterans paying for meals and rooms at Walter Reed is shocking.....just wait and see what happens because you don't know what's going on. Just an FYI. L-G
USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 08:58:15 (MST)
Spence, we'll see you at Kokomo: you will now be part of our "Moment of Silence." Amen. Gently
USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 08:15:59 (MST)