Lane Tower, Bull Dog 17, It has been way too many years...Jul'67 through Jul'68...a friend said I should look for my unit...well I did and I look forward to hearing from you'll...South Texas here... By His Grace...Ed Goerges
Ed Goerges <ed@informationetc.com>
New Braunfels, TX USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 20:23:53 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT....WANT TO WISH ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS A HAPPY NEW YEAR..AND PLEASE ALL BE SAFE ... A BROTHER YOU ALL,, AGAI IAM SORRY IF MOST OF YOU DIDNT GET THE HELP..FOR I DONT THINK I COULD HAVE MADE IT WITH OUT YOU ..I THANK YOU AL FROM MY HEART...ONE DAY I BE THERE FOR A BROTHER OR SISTER..GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND HAVE A GRATE NEW YEAR.. A BROTHER FOR EVER. LOVE YOU ALL AND NOT JUST WORDS IT COMES FROM THE HEART RAY TALK TO ALL IN 2003 THANKS FOR BEING THERE FOR I COME A LONG WAY WITH ALL YOUR HELP..I DONT HOW I WOULD GOTTEN THREW THIS ..THANKS.. HOPE I SAID THE RIGHT WORDS FORR I WOULD HATE TO OFFEND ANY ONE.. AGAIN A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL>
STREET , MD USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 17:31:41 (MST)

Flight: We wanted to wish everyone a happy and safe New Year's. Will talk with you all in 2003. Alex & Liz
Alex & Liz Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 17:02:09 (MST)

Lane Tower calling Bernie Hernandez. Hey Bernie,I've tried calling but your land line number has changed or something. Anyway " HAPPY NEW YEAR ".And a " HAPPY NEW YEAR " To everyone & please get home safely. Bill Shilleto where are you?????E'nuff Said.
Bruno S Sanchez <Bsanchez1@stx.rr.com>
Laredo, Tx USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 16:08:06 (MST)

Frenchie good to hear from you. I was just wondering about you yesturday. How far are you from Atlanta? I think their is going to be a good group this year. Hope you can make it. Talking to Bill Whelan an is going to try and make it. Maybe if you get the forms will have them so we can get the ball rolling. Thanks William "Frenchie" French.*********Again please be careful out there tonight.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 15:43:26 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT... I ALSO NEED TO THANK YOU YOU AL TAKING ME IN TO THE 129TH FAMILY. I HAVE COME SO FR WITH YOU ALL AND I THANK YOU ALL,,I RMBERTHE FRIST TIME I GOT CONTACK LIST I WROTEYOU ALL AND THTS FRIST HOW I WROTEABOUT THE CANDEL THAT IS SEEN.BUT NOW IT SEEM THE CANDEL OUT SHINES THE SUN... EVEN ALL THE DARNESS IT SHINES SO BRIGHT. I BEEN TRYILG TO FIND THE WORDS TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TRIP TD ATLANA.. I HOPE NOE ONE WAS OFENED THAT I GOT IT BUT I WAS GOING EVEN IF I HAD TO DELET THE MORAGE TO GO I CANT WAIT TO MEET ALL OF YOU MY HEART WAS BLESSED I THANK YOU ALL... SOME DAY I MAY HELP A BROTHEOR SISTER IAM SO PROUD TO BE PART OF THE BROTHERS ASN SISTERS HERE I NEVER FOG GET HOW U ALL HELPED ME THANKS WELL I RAMBLED ON ENOUGHT I LOVE YOU ...GOD BLESS YOU AND MAY YOU HAVE A GRATE NEW YEAR,,A BROTHER YOU ALL..RAY
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET, MD USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 13:40:56 (MST)

Wow, I thought we were buying a Huey for sure, but as someone else said cooler heads prevail and when it gets down to maintaining one of those beautiful green vibrating out of trim flying thingamabobs, I guess it would cost us a lot of money. I would like to get my hands on one of those M-60's though. Rick if you do get a number concerning the ships at the Rucker Museum or possibly a list, let me know. I knew i should have stopped in this past year when i was droning along Rt 10 on the panhandle on my way to Mobile. It sure was exciting for awhile, and if Plan B is going to work, count me in. Hope everyone has a good New Year. Especially Supperman.
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 13:07:42 (MST)

HELLO TO ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.. I NEED TO TAKE TIME TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT..I NEED TO THANK MY DAUGHTER FOR ALL SHE HAS DONE FOR ME SHE TAKES ME TO MOST OF MY APPTS,FOR GAIL CANT ALWAYS GET OFF.BUT SHE TAKES OFF TO TAKE ME TO SEE THE SHRINKS AT VA HOSIPITAL. SO I THANK YOU KRISS FOR EVERYTHING,,LOVE YA KRISS AND LOVE TO GAIL. SHE DON'T GET ON MUCH SHE CANTSIT SILL JUST WANTED ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO KNOW I THANK YOU ALL FOR HELLPING HER THANKS A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY YOU ALL HAVE A GRATE NEW YEAR
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET, MD USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 12:29:02 (MST)

Boy what a ride, that was fun... the excitement building to the peek then reality setting in. Just the thought of having a tail rotor pitch chain for a bracelet would be cool. But a hole UH1B-D Iroquois would be ...WOW!!! IÕm know that a government has a program to ÒGIVEÓ Static hulls to government organizationÕs just for that reason. Forms need to be filled out and the pecking order needs to be established. But some one with the right connections and a lot of patience? All Things are possible If interested let me know . I still have contacts in the Air Force and a few that are in the Army that can do a form search. To find out what needs to be done. Might need a government sponsor. Even a Boy Scout group or ROTC could do. Although they would be at the bottom of the pecking order. There is a form for everything. Nothing ventured nothing gained. I would like to thank from the bottom of my heart, Mark&Dee and the kids and dogs and the large family of 283rd AHC for their time and healing camaraderie. Most will never know, and some will never care what we as a group did. They will also never realize what it took on a day to day basis. What we would do to watch out for our brethren. That is the HEART of the Unit. I also would like to say a special thanks to: Rick Òthe butterflyÓ England, Jim Westang Ron Pain, Gus Gustafson, Gale, Tom Shanahan, JIM OLIVER,Bill Whelan,RAY GAGNER, , Gently Judy, And in the large scale Alex Fernwalt for keeping the wobbly choppers in line.. May the new Year Bring every you need. Frenchie
Frenchie <fren6222bellsouth.net>
Savannah, Ga USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 10:39:12 (MST)

BEEN READIN THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS,,,DAMN I SOLD THE COCKPIT FROM A FLIGHT SIMULATOR IN AUG. FOR 200 BUCKS,,,DAMN ANYWAY JUST WANTED TO PUT MY 2 CENTS IN,,,THE ZERO'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WERE CORRECT,,,FAR'S THE THE MILITARY IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH,,,431 I WONDER,,OH WELL I CREWED SO MANY INCLUDING THE UH60 IN MY 20 THAT I CANT REMEMBER THE TAIL # OF MY NAM BIRD....BOTTOM LINE I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN,,AND PLEASE BE SAFE OUT THERE WHILE ENJOYING THE HOLLIDAYS,,,THE 3RD ID JUST GOT NOTIFIED THERE ON THEIR WAY TO SOMEWHERE,,,,QUESS,,,,BE SAFE AND SHARE THE LOVE...ONE FOR ALL, ALL FOR ONE. JIM
JIM OLIVER <OLIVER_31683@HOTMAIL.COM>
PEMBROKE, GA USA - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 09:53:43 (MST)

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL! I just caught up from 12-20 thru today and the 431 deal sounds like a good idea(Plan B). Let her still fly if she can! Even tho my wife says I suffer from "CRS" syndrome, you know "Can't Remember Sh--" I do recall that once an a/c reached a certain age the year designation was taken from number, not sure if I ever knew reason but remember flying some with that numbering. Anyway, hence the 0- in 431 number. Tim V. I will be in touch shortly with phone number etc. I sure hope we can get together on your trip to NC. Been way too long. Maybe we could even get Freddie to come over from the state capitol. Again everyone have a happy and prosperous new year.
jeff sauers
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 19:46:11 (MST)

Flight HAPPY NEW YEAR AND BE CAREFUL OUT THERE.
Rick England
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 18:53:19 (MST)

Be safe tomorrow night. Pray for peace people everywhere. Always, Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 15:22:31 (MST)

Flight: June 18th thru June 22nd 2003 in Atlanta. As soon as I find out the activities I will let you all know. LOooking for the largest 129th group yet!!! You all have a safe New years. Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 14:08:06 (MST)

Info on 12776 is at: http://www.61ahc.org/Aircraft/Information%20on%20helicopter%2065-12776.htm AND WHILE WERE DREAMING (and in case one of us wins Powerball): I've located some M-60s for a mere $20,000.00 each, and don't forget the $1,000.00 apiece federal tax stamp! Bite and Strike! Max
Max Whittington <Max@OregonPI.com>
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 13:31:41 (MST)

That ship left the 129th in May of 68. 65-12776 Does anybody remember who's ship that was? If anybody is intrested in locating their ship I would be gtlad to do what I can. Robbie I have a phone # at Rucker maybe they will give me their tail #'s that are active or other info on locating our ships. Flight be careful out
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 12:05:12 (MST)

Afternoon gentlemen. I had done some paint work on an old D or H model huey a few years ago for a static display. At the time, I tried (unsuccessfully) to find out which unit it was assigned to during Vietnam. I recently found some info that leads me to think it was yours (129th) from 66-68. It is tail # 65-12776. It is now a static display for a National Guard Aviation Maintenance facility in Groton, CT. I could probably send a digital photo if anyone is interested.
TB <nukilo6@aol.com>
Gales Ferry, CT USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 11:52:25 (MST)

Flight, I received the following from the Gent in regards to 431>>>>>>>>> she's not flyable -the certification process is quite involved -ferrying is not a good idea as the main rotor blades head and scissors/sleeve /mast are all missing<<<<<<<<<< They also would want 10% down with 1/2 paid in 30 days. So it looks like plan B is the only option. I like the idea of it flying for a good cause. If the Ausies get it maybe we could adopt it. Take up a collection to help them get it flying again, or maybe help them get some fire fighting equipment. Sure was fun playing with this. Kind of like a kid before Christmas. Love and Brotherhood. Ron Paye
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 11:46:39 (MST)

I am back the dam pc your right Gale. ***************Fred I agree 431 will help the people in Australia and we can you the money in the 129th fund. the price of the ship went up to 39,900 I think the big bone yard down here near Tucson I heard had Hueys for 10,000 if we are still intrested. I do think if the fund continues we need a board and go non-profit org. That way the donations are tax deductable an we can get more money that to help our brothers and sisters in need. Also to do what we want Example a uh-1. This is my input and suggestion. I will be there for what ever we decide.**********
Rick England
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 11:02:37 (MST)

I tend to agree with Fred & Tom. I would be satisfied finding one in a boneyard and haul it to the Pop A Top (if Mark has a place for it) and dress it up as a 129th. There would be no sense in having one that's flyable and then let her set. It might be hard to "organize", as Fred said, since we are scattered all over the country. Also, it may not be fair to some of you guys out west that may never make it to the "TOP". Maybe we can discuss this more at the "TOP" in the spring or at LZ Atlanta. Rick, have you tried re-booting that sucker? These PC's can be a headache! Gale
Gale
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 09:32:36 (MST)

When i first said I would kick in the $185, I also mentioned parts etc & it seems as opinions come in, it would be very expensive to maintain it & difficult to get parts if not impossible. therefore as cooler heads prevail(plan B) is probably better for all concerned. I know my first thoughts are always to be selfish & get something without thinking??? Later; Jim
Jim Westwang <westwang@attbi.com>
Sheridan, Wy. USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 09:21:13 (MST)

Fred, I second the motion on Plan B. As much as it would be great to have 431 back with us again, giving her a chance to keep flying would be a good thing. IÕm retired now sitting here in this museum I call home. IÕd a lot rather be out flying but that isnÕt going to happen. Any Flight Surgeon would take one look and put a big Red ÒXÓ in my logbook. I wonÕt fly again but maybe I can think of 431 saving lives and property down under and be with her a little bit. I got to do some flying in Australia in 1979 and while those blokes fly a little different, they donÕt do bad at all. Gauging by their needs then and now, they could sure use all that help they could get. It would be great to think that as we pass from the scene, a piece of our history continues. Cobra Soothsayer, 67-68
Tom Shanahan <Shanahan00@Cox.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 08:41:57 (MST)

hate to bust any bubbles here, but no company or corporation can ,or will, donate funds to anything that doesnt have a tax free number.What that means is,there must be a 129th group set up.as a non profit club,with state approved tax free number so anyone making donations can tax claim .There must be a board of directors,mailing addy ect,ect,ect. One more thought here also.My girlfriend lives in australia. i mentioned this to her and thhe fact an aussie firefighting groups wants it.Her response was..there are 43 wildfires going on in my state alone, right now. How wonderful it would be if that helicopter could come here and continue to save more lives. That,my friends, made me sit back and think. if u guys truely want the ship. fine, i will throw in my bit also, but,if it isnt possiable,what about thinking towards helping out the aussies and let the bird live agian,as it was intended, saving lives. nothing more might be needed than moral support from us and i am sure they would be thrilled to know the history as would aussie nam vets from the chu che area. I like plan A (keeping it here} but plan B aint bad either.Beats the heck out of it sitting in a junk yard somewhere.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 07:53:30 (MST)

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USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 07:42:26 (MST)

Flight, I have remained quiet on the 431 for a few days to see what the interest level is for buying her. Time for my two cents. I have sent Richard an e-mail asking what shape the 431 is in and if we would have time to raise the $$$$$ required. I believe we should do some serious thinking if we want to do this. 1) I think that even if she is now flyable that there is no way we could keep her that way. It was hard enough to keep them up with the vast military supply chain. If we decide to do this it should be as a non-flying museum. We could move her on a flat bed trailer and use her in parades, special events, VHCMA reunion etc. It would be better if she could be kept indoors. We would need more than the asking price. Storage, insurance, etc. 2) If we decide to do this. I will check several places here in Indy to see if we could store her there. a) Air National Guard, b)Stout reserve field, and c)there is a gent who has a military museum here in Indy. He also has the means to transport her. 3) I think we should raise a minimum of $50,000 if we decide to buy her. That would give us a reserve fund for shipping her wherever. It would also allow us to get liability insurance on her. You know people (including us) are going to want to crawl all over her. What air crew member is not going to want to climb on top and check out the rotor head. Who amongst us old farts is not going to try and climb up on the engine deck????? We also need to develop a means of raising on going funds to maintain and transport her in the future 3) We may want to check into forming a non-for profit organization. Any lawyers on here that could advise us?? 4) If we do this I would be willing to set up a Iron Butterfly Trust Fund to handle all $$$ 5) I do not think we should divide the cost of 431 by the no of personnel on the net. Some can not afford $200 but may help in other ways. I suggest we who are interested it this project pledge to raise a specific amount of $$. We can approach friends, VVA and other organizations. There are a lot of guys out there who owe their lives to a Huey and I am sure they would be willing to chip in a few $$ to help. We just need to get the word out. I think we would be surprised to see how many would be interested in this project. 6) If we are serious and the 431 is available we need to form a group that wants to make this happen, come up with a plan and "Go for it." Not just try, "but DO IT." 7) If we do decide to "Go For It", I pledge that I will raise a minimum of $1,000 for The Iron Butterfly Fund. 8) I also will get my cousin, who did the paint job on my scooter to do the nose art and put her back in Viet Nam dress. What say all. Love and Brotherhood Ron Paye PS. I hope every one had a great Christmas and are on short final for the Best Year ever.
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 07:31:28 (MST)

Whoooaa Flight, let's not get too excited. As I told Rick, I was half kidding & half serious when I brought this up. I'm sure there would have to be sales tax paid to someone, hauling, insurance, etc. Does anyone know anyone in politics that could possibly help? Maybe get the cost down or get it donated? I know what a bunch of troopers like us can do if we set our minds on something...................nothings impossible! Count me in for a share if it goes any farther!!!! Clear left, Gale
Gale
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 07:17:22 (MST)

Count me in for 200. and any help that I can provide. Kal, its good to see that your going to be in Alanta also. It looks like we will have a pretty good crowd there. Rainer
Rainer Bauer <bauerrv@aol.com>
USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 05:42:05 (MST)

Geee WiZZZ..I think I can scrape a couple hundred up!!..Go for it!!..Hey Rick--What platoon was that ship in and when was it in company? I left for home in August of 68 and that number sure sounds familiar.. All you 129thers have a fabulous New Year.. And by the way, I hope to be going to Atlanta as of now and hope to be riding the bike down. Are you riding your bike down Mark and how about you Ron? We should be able to hook up and wheel down together..?? C U L8r.... Kal..
Kal Bergstrom <n8auu@email.com>
Saint Joseph,, MI USA - Monday, December 30, 2002 at 01:55:09 (MST)

Count me in for $200 do not have it in my pocket but I will get it. From what I understand 949 "King Cobra" never made it out of the country so this one will do just fine. Gus
Gus <tgus@uslink.net>
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 21:58:41 (MST)

I will take two shares one in my name and one in Mr. Mike LoveJoy's name When and how do we do this. Powers Vega come on get in this Vega can fly and I can still doorgun Show this people what it is all about. Guns forever
Howard Boling <jprh2b@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 21:25:37 (MST)

i'm in for $200 for the iron butterfly. lets do it. wink from 010 with love 3/69-10/70
barry winkler <cobra129th@aol.com>
lakeland, fl USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 21:11:12 (MST)

Count me in for a share.
Howard Boling <jprh2b@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 20:48:16 (MST)

........we have 226 members in my address book. Not all are in the CONTACTS section. I have , I think 4 more that have contacted me in the last few days that I need to add $36,900 divided by that is $169.00 a piece.....WOW......is doable.....but what dream......to bad that the ones that have it just cant donate it to us. I saw that mail that Rick got from saying that that is how they get their moolla because they are a nonprofit thang.....wow.....what a thing......least we know that she is still out there and that at least Rick will have some parts of his ole "IRON BUTTERFLY".....thats neater then a feeder house on a John Deere combine;-))))))))))))))))...you all take care....had a GREAT DAY with the grandkids all day..............the WHEATHEADS are still here...that would be Dee's sister and family from Kansas.......they be fun too......sorta:-))))))))))))..always a brother...........Mark
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 19:40:17 (MST)

I'm in for a couple hundred.....I've spent more on worse things that that! Keep it at Marks AO???? There are all kinds of parts available, look in trade a plane...there are dozens of 200 series bells around. Shorty, Wes Griffith and I spoke with Jeff Carpenter a while back...he lives in Alaska now. I lost contact with him, but I think griff knows where he is. By the way, who's handling the cash????? innagaddadaveeda baby, don't you know that I love you!!!!! Kim
Kim La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
Livermore, Me USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 19:26:21 (MST)

Mr Jackson it is a honor to be able to talk to you. I hear from a few of the guys like porwes , vega and others from my 3 units i was over there with. B Troop 7/17 Cav, 170th A.H.C. It was a honor to serve with people of the like's I worked with. Billingsly, have a couple of storys about him, Lovejoy lost a chopter with him and stories of him both in the 129th and stateside,Vega and i were stationed in the states in hood, so many different stories to tell. Bob Bryant is my cousin Anyone know where Sgt Matarniz is this days Carpenter and ness I remember them raising a lot of ---- while i was there but still good people to this date we all did nam in our own way. Will write more later Howard Boling Shorty Muini Oik
Howard Boling <jprh2b@hotmail.com>
Yakima, WA USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 15:46:25 (MST)

I lost some of what wrote in my last commo. I don't know what I did wrong.
Rick England
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 10:42:45 (MST)

Yes I am still in contact. He did come on our page. Down about ten commos. Richard Bowie cencom@juno.com There are some parts I don't what it'll take. We have see if we can get enough. Maybe a pwerball or that guy in West Va. He looking to buy a helicopter. I bet cups and Ron can still fly. Maybe some others. not sure.
Rick England
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 10:41:16 (MST)

I am in for 200.00. That still is allot of money to come with. I would be glad to do what we decide.Flight be careful out there.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 10:21:14 (MST)

........Man oh man oh man.......is all this talk about buying the 431 really serious????.....if so.....count me in to cover more then my share...........Rick E???..do you still have contact with the owners??????.............is this really for real????....Sounds like a long shot to me, but what a dream that would be!!!!!!!!!!..I love you guys...........grandkids have just walked in the door so I will spend the day with them and will be back in touch with you all tonight............so good to hear from all of you and see some of the names that have popped up in the flight Log book........still shows us that all are here but some just read.........take care all...always a brother Mark
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 09:23:18 (MST)

I will kick in $185 if you really want it. Does this thing fly? do we have any maint. manuals? I remember a lot but could use the books. Can any of you pilots still Fly?? Would only like to go on an FTF in it. What about parts? Do we want to make this thing whole & are you all serious about it?? Sounds like a hoot to me. In the old days I spent more than that drinking in one day. OIL Mil-L-23699A, Hydraulic fluid MIL-H-5606B, Torque Main Rotor hub & mast retaining nut 520-780 Ft pounds ( as you all remember we called it the Jesus nut because if it came off you were going to meet him directly) My best to all, Jim
Jim Westwang <westwang@attbi.com>
Sheridan, Wy. USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 09:12:38 (MST)

Gale, It is a 1 ton and I have a 6 ton trailer. May need to be a night op but I bet we could do it. Anyone win the powerball yet????? Gus
Gus <tgus@uslink.net>
The Great White North, USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 08:45:28 (MST)

hey mark how ya doing happy holladays to all your family i have some art work that was on my ship in nam but dont know were to send it your pal tom
tom marr <fishfla@gte.net>
largo, fl USA - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 08:32:21 (MST)

Thats to much for anybody,but itis nice to think about. He is sending the hell hole seat and some other stuff from the Iron Butterfly. Which if Mark doesn't mind I'll put it in the pop a Top. He said he would have donated it to us,but the resue service is non profit org an that is how they survive buy seeling the older ships. Austrilia is looking at it now for fire fighting. Look forward to seeing you in Atlanta.
Rick Enlgand <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 11:18:16 (MST)

Rick, $36,900 divided by 200 (129th brother & sisters) = $185 each....Hmmmmmmmmmmm! We could get Gus to pick it up in his 3/4 ton truck ( he has a way of loading things on that thing) ;o). Just kidding of course, but, nice to think about!! Gale
Gale
USA - Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 10:07:52 (MST)

Hello, I found you at Altavista. You have wealth of information on your site and a nice design. Greetings from Germany - Paul
Paul
Germany - Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 09:42:05 (MST)

" Bernie H." I've been trying to call ya.I've not been able to get thru. Did ya change your land line number? Let me know. Bill Shilleto,where are you???E'nuff Said..
>Bruno E Sanchez <Bsanchez1@stx.rr.com>
Laredo , TX USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 14:35:47 (MST)

http://www.armyavnmuseum.org/collection/collection.html*********Robbie this site has the list of all aircraft in the museum at Rucker. I am checking another place an I will get back to you. Thanks for the info on the mission. Maybe that is why all incidents were gone from the Gold Book on 431. Just speculation. The Army wouldn't do anything like that>*******HEHEHE
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:51:54 (MST)

Rick, I do remember an incident from 1969. Not sure if it was August or not. My AC was WO Jim Sikes. Not sure who the peter pilot was. We were on a resupply misson that day and had just picked up one of those gigantic balls of concertina wire and was on our way to one of the Korean OPÕs. Then we heard on the radio that one of our ships was shot down and Mr. Sikes said we were going over there and to let him know when we close enough to where the Koreans wanted the wire. The problem was he never slowed down very much and when he punched that wire off you should have seen the guys at that OP scrambling to get out of the way. We then became Chalk 1 of the mission to retrieve the ship and crew. This mission went on into the night and I saw more green tracers coming at me than I ever had before. When we had to refuel, Major Cooper was there and he got into the ACÕs seat and the pp was bumped out and Sikes was now the pp. I am not sure if this was the Iron Butterfly or not. I know I was pissed because Major Cooper got a DFC for the mission and he really didnÕt fly the ship for more than 5 minutes. Mr. Sikes convinced me to let it go (probably for the best). Maybe someone else could confirm what ship was down. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 11:30:51 (MST)

Rick, the number on my ship was 6616265. THE JUDGE. It's the same ship Larry was crewing and I was the gunner on with him. I later became the crewchief of 265. I don't remember 431 getting shot down in August of 69, but then again there are a lot of things i don't remember from that year. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 11:03:31 (MST)

hi rick, no chains yet but Ill ask phil -the hellhole seat is free-Ill mail it along here this week to you guys -Ill also look for other trinkets off her might just be some access panels and such but theres some loose parts about -wee have had her almost 8 years now. I fly crewchief and Im also the administrator for the service - phils a member of the vhcma? crewmembers-Im 40 -I support you guys . The nice thing is 431 will fly again wherever she goes we have the paperwork -rihgt now theres a firebomber outfit in australia looking at her. I wish we could donate her off to you guys unfortunatly thats how our service operates is from revenues from our exceess( gas money). We fly free of charge on SAR missions. I also can tell you that your IC box is being used in the primary helicopter we fly another vietnam vet from the 25th of the 25th whioch was shot down in august of 69 -strange /? do you recall the shoot down of 431 in 69? she looked pretty intact when she was hooked home ...-Richard writes:********************I wasn't there then does anybody remember that incident? August 69 Thought you guys would like to read Richard last commo. Be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 09:18:46 (MST)

I'll be there in Atlanta. If it is in Mother Ruker we can find it. I will check an see.Robbie what are you numbers like 67-17431.
Rick England
USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 08:44:39 (MST)

I'll be there in Atlanta. If it is in Mother Ruker we can find it. I will check an see.
Rick England
USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 08:43:32 (MST)

Rick, that's great that you found your ship. I went to the web site and saw it. I hope you get the picture that you asked for. I wish i knew where mine was. Probably still at Rucker or purchased and dismantled. Last report was that it was at Rucker somewhere. Maybe it's a training model now. Oh well, if you get the picture, bring it with you to Atlanta if you are coming. Hope everyone has a happy New Year. Rob.
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 07:49:18 (MST)

Thanks Richard for the info. I read me e-mail first an a bc to before I read this. Again info on The Iron Butterfly exciting. I know I have ask allot of you I was wondering if we could get copy of that pic in Bent and Battered? Please keep in touch you are more that welcome here. Flight be careful out there*************Rick England 129th AHC Bull Dog 431 The Iron Butterfly RVN Jan 68 Jan 69
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Friday, December 27, 2002 at 05:55:17 (MST)

Thanks for serving guys -we have been using 431 as a trainer for the last 7 years for our search and rescue teams here in Bangor Maine -she is actually still in the condition the military preserved her in 96 for shipment to Davis Monthan -happily rescued from that fate -The goldbook fills in her history before a navy retype of her overhaul and 74 departure by the 30th trans company. The ship is solid and well loved by her vietnam era mechanic Phil Flagg (crashed in 63-08827-medal of valor recipient). Her head main rotor blades /42 box and compass/clock are on our primary rescue helicopter -I have a picture of this aircraft /the iron butterfly in the bent and battered rotors by signal pubs. -just having been hooked home- keep em flying -Richard Bowie/ Director DEEMI
Richard Bowie <cencom@juno.com>
Bangor , ME USA - Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 20:56:36 (MST)

I just want to take a minute and wish all the 129th brothers and sisters a happy and prosperous new year. I think of all of you often. As I count my blessings I am sure to remember Mark and Dee without their efforts a lot of us would still be wandering in the dark. Dennis F. I am looking forward to catching up with you in Atlanta. May God bless you all.
Tom Pedersen <Safetyshark@aol.com>
Lawrenceville, Ga USA - Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 13:02:44 (MST)

Hello Flight, I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas and got some or all of what they were asking/hoping for. I spent most of my day shoveling snow. I would have used my snowblower, but it is quite old and decided it isn't going to start any more. I'm looking at local stores for one today because living a few miles from Lake Ontario, i get blasted with Lake effect snow every year. I'm getting too damn old to be shoveling a 100 foot driveway. Ray Gagner, it was nice talking to you the other day when you had dialed the wrong number and were asking for Mary. As i said, i thought you were kidding with me so i asked if you were looking for Merry Christmas. I love you brother and you know i'll be keeping in touch with you now that we've found each other on this Wonderful site that Larry's little brother set up for everyone. Mark it was great talking to you the other day. I can always tell who i am talking to as soon as you say the first word. I always feel close to Larry when I talk to you and probably always will. I wish i would have had a camera i could have sent to you. I read your last posting about the desk and i thought that was great, and they way it was all done brought tears to my eyes. I wish I could find something like that with my brother's name on it, but doesn't seem too likely. Well, i think i've wasted enough space and will get back to work. Love you all.. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 07:26:42 (MST)

I seen that to Don but on the descrition of item it has 67-17431 an they talk about having the log books which would have the whole number right. Who knows what the Guard did with it. Is their a way of calling the owner. I couldn't find it. I am sure e-bay is not going to give that info out. I copied the pics and descrition. I see no visual parts that are orginal. I have a pic of Larry standing by the Iron Butterfly When he first got there.I am sorry about rambling here, just got excited. I hope everybody had a safe and merry Christmas. We still have New years to get through be careful out there.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 06:56:45 (MST)

OOPS, I just went back and looked at the site again ........ I don't know why the tail has "0" -17431 the discription has the tail # as 67-17431 so it looks like I jumped before I looked. so it is our bird. sorry Mark, I didn't win the powerball last night. if I had we would have one of our own back.
Don Miller
USA - Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 06:50:57 (MST)

the page that has 431 is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1875312075&category=26428 but I am wondering if it is the correct bird. the tail # on Iron Butterfly was 67-17431 or as it would have been put on the tail 7-17431, this one has 0-17431 which I would take as probably 1970 or 1980 not 1967. "just a thought" Later, Don
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 06:42:47 (MST)

That's the Iron Butterfly Bull Dog431 I started ce on that ship with 5o hrs. Where is this site?
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 06:28:30 (MST)

mery christmas to all of the 129th it was an honor to serve with the guys that wer with me. I hear from a few cuys but would like to hear from more fly forever howard
Howard Boling (shorty) <jprh2b@hotmail.com>
McCleary, Wa USA - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 19:14:31 (MST)

.....ALL of the Jacksons want to wish all of this wonderful family of the 129th a glorious happy Holidays and a great New Year, and that includes Larry. I will tell you why I can include LArry's name also in a minute................BUT FIRST......would'nt it be nice to have $36,900 to get the #431 that is for sale on ebay.......WOW.....that would really look good at the Pop-A-Top. I checked our records of our ships on our page and the 431 flew over 1600 hours with the 129th from 4/68-6/69....as a matter of fact, I think that I have heard others on here talk about the 431 in some commo in here.....Larry probably flew next to it on some missions...............WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!........imagine that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........back to this Christmas. I hope all have had a wonderful day with your loved ones. I sure have......along with getting 9 inches of snow last night......I am sure lots of lil' ones in this AO woke up believeing in Santa this year when they saw the snow. I did;-)))).....let me just fill you in on why I, feel like a 4 year old, at the age of 51 this Christmas.................First it was announced to us by our second daughter and our son-in-law that we are expecting a new Grand Child in June....a complete surprise to Dee and I...absolutly wonderful. That will make 3 grandkids then....very excited about that.......... getting back to Larry saying Marry Christmas to you also.... now let me tell you this...........My wife, has giving me one of the , if not, the best gifts I have even received on Christmas. She gave me a piece of Larry.......let me explain...........Dee works as an aid for the multible handicapped in the local county system main streaming students into regular classes. About a month ago, she came home and said that she had taken a child into a class and sat down at a desk. She notice that someone had carved their name in the back of the chair in front of her and her student. After looking at it close, she noticed that the name on the back of the chair was "LARRY JACKSON"..........Dee told me about it and I jokeingly mentioin that that would be neat to have that chair. I also have a couple of buddies who are also teachers in the system and put them on the "MISSION" of getting that desk out of the school for me...........a month went by and I had forgotten about the whole thing....................my wonderful wife had made arrangements through the proper channels, including the superintendent of the school to let her have the desk to give me for Christmas....the day before Christmas the school can into the Pop-A-Top and delivered the desk with Larry's name carved in it. It has to be at least 40 years old because Larry quit school at the age of 16 in 1964. and worked for my dad up until he joined the Army in 1968........so you see, that is why I can say to all of you that "LARRY" also says Marry Chrismas to all of you too. He is here with me on the back of the desk. That desk back could of been sold, stollen, lost, replaced, repaired in the last 40 years, but there it was for me........beleive me my brothers and sisters, Larry, and all the others that we can not see, or touch, anymore from the 129th, are here with us and see and hear what we do and say. They are here...................................the LORD has blessed me with wonderful people in my life. Why??/...I dont know, but I will "EARN" what I have recieved with continued work to keep all of them, and you, alive in the hearts and minds of all forever.........Happy Holidays from Larry...........always a brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark and Dee and all the Jacksons <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 18:26:54 (MST)

Gentlemen my name is Tom Collins and I flew as D/G for the tigers and then the Vikings from 3-67 to 4-68. I thought you would like to know that on E-Bay they are selling one of your ships for 36,900 UH1H #17431. You should check it out and try to buy it. Also WELCOME HOME brothers.
tom collins <viking26@dandy.net>
USA - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 16:57:06 (MST)

To All, a Very Merry Christmas. May the Blessings of this Season go with you into the New Year. May there be Peace in the world that our men and women in uniform will be safe and return quickly to their loved ones. I would ask that we give a special thought to our Brother, Joe Johnson who continues the search in SE Asia for those left behind and works to bring help to those with little hope in Northern Laos. God Bless you Joe. May you and your efforts be rewarded.
Tom Shanahan <Shanahan00@Cox.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 10:42:39 (MST)

HELLO..TO ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS ..GAIL AND I WISH YOU ALL A MRRRY CHRISTMAS.AND PRAY FOR OUR BROTHERS AND STSTERS WHO ARE OVER SEAS AND A SPECIAL PRAYER TO OUR BRPTHERS. WHO ARE NOT WITH US NOW GOD BLESS YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS LOVE YOU ALL..RAY & GAIL
RAY & GAIL GAGNER <STIKWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET , MD USA - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 09:38:15 (MST)

Bill Whelan good to see your post.
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 07:29:29 (MST)

Flight be safe out there and have a Merry Christmas. Gale I have been bad again. I don't know what their going to do with me. HEHEHEHE***** Gus how is the Ice fishing this year any muskies?
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 07:23:53 (MST)

As you sit down to your Christmas dinners today, take a moment to remember our troops stationed in far off lands, and say a little prayer for their safe return with "mission accomplished".
Ted Buisker <Skyking@stateline-isp.com>
Davis, IL. USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 23:18:09 (MST)

MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM DIXIE,,,,MAY EACH HEART BE FILLED WITH PEACE, LOVE AND JOY IN THE COMMING NEW YEAR. BE SAFE AND SHARE THE LOVE OF THE SEASON WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. GENTLY THANKS, WHILE IT IS A JOYFUL TIME OF YEAR IT ALSO BRINGS PAIN FOR SOME. JIM
JIM OLIVER <OLIVER_31683@HOTMAIL.COM>
PEMBROKE, GA USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 21:54:54 (MST)

I want to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I seldom post anything but I read the comments every day. Art "sgt Rock" in-charge of the cobra plt re-arm point. 1972. Happy Holidays
arthur campbell <campbe@dc1.net>
cardale, pa USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 18:07:55 (MST)

This sent to me and I'm posting it exactly as I got it. "Scooter" Hi guys, I'm passing this along, a fixed wing friend sent it to me..........den Dennis; Mike Larkin graduated with USAF Pilot Training Class 61-F, one of the last classes to include Aviation Cadets, in March 1961. Mike wrote the original poem about a fighter pilot. Army Helicopter Pilots - One in a Million. - Mike Larkin/Curt Knapp I think I've known a million lads, who say they love the sky; Who'd all be aviators, and not afraid to fly! For Duty, Honor, Country, their courage I admire! But it takes more than courage, son, to get to be a flyer. When you are only twelve years old, of course you want to fly! And tho' you know not what is Death, you're not afraid to die. But of the million, more or less, all must have perfect eyes; So only half a million now, can dream of future skies. Then comes high school, science, math; some choose the easy way: Football, cars, and dating girls; teen pleasures hold their sway. And of the quarter million left, one half go on to schools; The other half will dream and drift, and never learn the rules. Now comes the day of testing, eight hours of sitting Hell; On every subject known to man, four- fifths will not do well. The one in five who pass this test, apply for flying schools, The Application Boards will now eliminate the fools. Then comes two days of nakedness, flight surgeons poke and prod; To pass this flying physical one needs to be a God! And now, five hundred lucky souls will start their Pre-Flight days; Endure demerits, hunger, cold, as upperclassmen haze. One-half survive this mental game, and go to Primary schools, But only half will hack the course, move on to Basic rules. Two hundred fifty now will try to pass those Basic tests; Formation flight soon separates, the " tiger" from the rest. One hundred twenty five will then pin on those pilot wings; The best become hot Cobra jocks; the rest fly other things. Some will die while learning those essential combat skills; Some will die in combat, some will score their "kills". But they have learned a lesson, sometimes lost on you and me; We must always fight for Freedom, because Freedom's never free! He's a knight in shining armor, that the cruel tyrants fear; He's that deadly drop of venom on the tip of Freedom's spear. Engaging him in battle is a course that only fools would choose; He's the world's fiercest warrior, for he has the most to lose. So when you see that helicopter pilot, standing at the bar; Taking out the garbage, or tuning up his car. You'd best walk up and offer him your thanks, extend your hand; He's that rare "one in a million" who protected this sacred land.
Larry Kwiatkowski <chrger66@aol.com>
Simi Valley, CA USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 16:51:40 (MST)

Merry Christmas and Happy new year to all my friends in the 129th. I hope this new year treats you all well. Drive carefully and be safe.
Bill Whelan <bwhelan@thedisplayworks.net>
Elk Grove Village, IL USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 15:30:39 (MST)

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND CREWMEMBERS OF THE 129TH. By the way someone please send my a email with the Atlanta Dates as I have to turn in my vacation Dream Sheet on Jan 2nd. Thanks Dennis . Email addy is dfuerst_2000@netzero.net
Dennis Fuerstenau <dfuerst_2000@netzero.net>
Davenport, Florida USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 12:33:18 (MST)

Merry Christmas and a Great New Year to all of you. There is a place at our table tomorrow for all of you and all of those who have gone before us. My love to all of you my Brothers and Sisters. Gus
Ted Gustafson <tgus@uslink.net>
Grand Rapids, MN USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:56:52 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT.... ME AND GAIL WANT TO WISH YOU ALL A MERRY CHRISTMASS . AND.. GOD BLESS ALL OUR FALLEN BROTHERS AND SISTER AND THE ONE WHO ARE ILL MAY GOD WATCH OVER YOU ALL.. I WILL WRITE MORE SOON WANT ALL WORDS SPELY RIGHT HECK ONE LRTTER WRONG COULD BE A BIG DIFFRENCE ;-) I THANK YOU FOR COMMING IN TO OUT LIVES I TRULY LOVE YOU ALL A BROTHER ALWAYS WITH LOVE RAY AND GAIL
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET , MD USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:41:29 (MST)

merry x-mas & happy new year too all, ho ho ho . ======= mark sorry i bailed out on the x-mas party but finances wouldn't allow it,wish i could of been their,sounds like fun had by all. you an dee have a great x-mas===== alex, liz whats shaken miss you two cant wait for the reunion, going too bring my kids, should be interesting, what say you. might have to behave myself,na, it will fun good time as usual. merry xmas you two. ======MERRY X-MAS TO ALL OF THE 129TH FAMILY AN HAVE A GOOD AND SAFE NEW YEARS.WINK FROM 010 WITH LOVE
barry winkler <cobra129th@aol.com>
lakeland, fl USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:36:18 (MST)

Flight: Liz and I would like to wish all of you and your families a wonderful and Merry Christmas. Lets take a minute and remember our lost Brothers. And our Brothers Whom are down with an illness. They and their families need our thoughts and prayers. Gently, thanks for your work here latley. Your a angel sent. Rainer hope your feeling better. I need you in Atlanta!! Hope to get Harlan there. Special thanks and holiday greetings to a special family whom has made the site possible. MERRY CHRISTMAS MARK AND DEE JACKSON AND FAMLY. Too!! all of you A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND SAFE NEW YEARS!!! Alex and Liz Fernwalt
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 08:38:48 (MST)

Sorry......I got all choked up! We wish you all a "Very Merry Christmas". I hope everyone has been good so Santa stops tonight! How'bout it Rick.......have you been as good as me Buddy? Gale & Debbie
Gale
USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 07:44:34 (MST)

We wish you all a
Gale
USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 07:40:16 (MST)

I hope everyone has a most blessed and safe Christmas and New Year. I don't post often but I visit every day. You keep me close to Michael Shanley. Stay safe. Katharine
Katharine <fricabeunme@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 06:51:06 (MST)

I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday. Merry Christmas Rainer
Rainer Bauer
Indy, USA - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 04:08:19 (MST)

I enjoyed my visit. Greetings from Olga Katzen -
Katzen
Europe - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 03:04:53 (MST)

Flght...Smitty...paix sur la terre' Ray Gagner, is it just me, or do you get the impression that OHIO is a county in north Texas! Gotcha Fred!!!!! Gently... you ARE special. Kim
kim La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
Livermore, Me USA - Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:08:14 (MST)

Hello to all, and peace over the holidays and into the New Year! Our chosen brother has received his gift of $600 and is overwhelmed! He's just going on and on with emails to me, it makes my eyes weep with happiness to feel his excitement. I hope you can all feel it. You did something wonderful and have all sprung wings from your generosity and kindness. He doesn't know if he should post or not. I told him it was up to him, but that we weren't expecting him to. Trust my dear friends and brothers that we chose the right person, the person you suggested. What a Christmas!!! God bless us everyone! Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Heaven, USA - Monday, December 23, 2002 at 15:02:05 (MST)

I may not be on until after & so I want to wish ALL my brothers & sisters the very merriest of Holidays & please be safe, there are enough of us gone already!! My Love & undying Respect; (Joyeaux Noel') Jim Westwang
Jim Westwang <westwang@attbi.com>
Sheridan, Wy. USA - Monday, December 23, 2002 at 13:21:11 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT... OH I KNOW THEY WERE WAS JUST JOKING.. TAKE CARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS. A BROTHER ALWAYS...RAY
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET , MD USA - Monday, December 23, 2002 at 07:16:47 (MST)

Ray, My Friend, The Ravens WERE the Browns until Art Modell moved them to Baltimore in 1995. Modell can`t come back to Cleveland without a threat to his life!!!!! HONEST
Fred Skaggs
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 18:13:42 (MST)

Ray, My Friend, The Ravens WERE the Browns until Art Modell moved them to Baltimore
Fred Skaggs
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 18:11:24 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT... AND ALL MYBROTHERS FROM OHIO NOW THAT I TAKE MY FOOT OUT OF MOUTH... IT WAS A GOOD GAME... YOU ALL HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMASS... TAKE CARE ALL A BROTHERS RAY.
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET, MD USA - Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 17:26:13 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT.... JUST WANT TO SAY HELLO TO ALL MY BROTHERS AN SISTERS AND WISH ALL WELL... BUT NOW JUST TO STIR SOME THING UPHE HE GO RAVENS BEAT THE BROWNS MAKE THE BROWNS FEAR THE RAVEN LOL JUST JOKING BUT HAD TO SAY IT FOR A LOT OF YA ARE FROM OHIO ;-) TAKE CARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND KNOW I LOVE YOU ALL A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY TO BE HONEST THE BROWNS WILL WALK OVER THE RAVENS ;-) YOU ALL TAKE CARE
RAY GAGNER <SITLWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET, MD USA - Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 09:27:01 (MST)

i went to site and TOLD them, without minceing words,to stay the hell off the site.I think if a few of us start going to sites and complain,saying we will not use their services ever and will tell other vets not to,,,,shrug. its just a thought,.Hey fred ..have a safe trip buddy, merry xmas. Jim . i dont get replys from my e mails to you.Cat got ur fingers?Its the same with a few others. Hey, got to go check my numbers for the lotto..its only 215 mill this wek.Mr. Page,Shadow, you too have a great xmas.Do you have any idea what ever happened to gabby? Sure would like to get one of those 38s u guys wore,they were almost cute.
alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
indy, in USA - Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 08:15:19 (MST)

Gale, I agree totally!!!!! They keep gettin on our web-site tryin to sell or promote something.... Mark should start charging them assholes. They keep gettin on our web-site and they are gonna see how "Mellow" and "Down To Earth" some of us can be!!! Well got the Truck packed up and ready to go home to Ohio....dread the drive but, got to do it... Everyone have a Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. And be safe out there.
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 07:53:07 (MST)

To Nevada James..............................I'll pass!!
Gale
USA - Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 22:26:42 (MST)

hi all, thanks to those of you from the 129th that joined us 173d airborne boys for the xmas party at pop a top. it was a great time and was really nice to meet you. hope that you enjoyed the party. again we would like to envite you all to join us again next year on dec 6th. would like to see so many come that mark would have to close the bar to outsiders. know that our group keeps getting biger each year and are already planning on next year. well thanks again for sharing your time and stories and have a merry xmas and happy nrw year.
steven m spencer <spence00@bright.net>
elida, ohio USA - Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 18:11:33 (MST)

MY BEST WISHES TO ALL.......... FOR THE HOLLIDAYS AND THE NEW YEAR. SPEAKING OF THE NEW YEAR, IT LOOKS AS I WILL BE SWITCHING AO’S SOON, BACK TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, I’LL POST WHEN I GET IT ALL TOGETHER……………TAILS CLEAR LEFT………..MATT CASEY
Matt Casey <Mcasey1947@cs.com>
Aurora, CO USA - Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 15:35:33 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT.... IAM SO GLAD THE CHRISTMAS PARTY TURNED OUT...YOU ALL GONE A GRATE JOB MY HEART AND THOUGHTS WERE THERE...RON LOVED HOW YOU WWOTE IT I TRY TO CALL AGAIM..ALEX AND RON AND ROBBIE SPOKEDTO HIM ALWAYS GOOD TO TALK TO A SISTED I CANT TYPE WELL IN CASE YOU DIDNT NOTICE :-) BUT I TRULY LOVE YOY ALL SO TAKE CARE MY BROTHERS AMD SISTERS... HOW YOU DOING RICK TALK TO U SOON A BROTHER ALWAYS SO GALD I WAS LEAD TO THIS SIGHT MARK AND DEE YOU BOTH DO A GRATE JOB THANKS LOVE YAs RAY
RAY GAGNER <STIL WATING@AOLCOM>
STREET, MD USA - Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 14:48:52 (MST)

Good Morning Bulldog & Cobras,Ron P. Merry X-Mas & a happy new year yourself.Just be carefull enroute to Michigan & Wisconsin. Alan V. I also remember W.O. Cameron.There's a whole bunch of people that I remember. I could go on & on. But anyway; welcome on board. Bernie, again thanks for the call the other day. Well it's time to "vamos".E'nuff Said. out.
Bruno E Sanchez <bulldog@stx.rr.com>
Laredo, Tx USA - Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 10:03:31 (MST)

Flight, Alan Veilleux, Welcome aboard. Good to have you with us once again. I remember WO Camron. I was in the Cobra Platoon so never really got to know him. Our plt. maint. officer was Bill Jeans. He probably remembers him. Bill checks in here occasionally. Ray, sorry I missed your call. I will be gone this weekend. I will be leaving for Michigan and Wisconsin in the morning. I want to take a minute to wish Everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Super New Year. My wish is for the "Best" for you all. I look forward to meeting many new faces this coming year. Love and Brotherhood. Ron Paye
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Friday, December 20, 2002 at 19:41:48 (MST)

Gently, Cups mustache, the envy of every young troop who counldn`t grow one, DePeiazza had a nice mustache, but was to conservative with it...... Jeff they are still tryin to pick the "lumber" in front of my house, there must be big dump load or two.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, December 20, 2002 at 12:15:56 (MST)

A belated Happy Birthday to Fred. First time I've been on since the "ICE STORM THAT ATE NORTH CAROLINA". 48 hours was good. Our power was out until Tuesday afternoon. Once again my opinion that camping out sucks was confirmed. Nine trees down over our only exit road and since it is a private road the county would not touch it. Ten guys from street and their chain saws and several 4x4 pickups did the trick. That was fun since we rarely get to use our 4 wheel drive. My father is still not doing well and my family would appriciate your prayers. Thanks to all and have a safe and happy holiday season.
jeff
Lake Norman, nc USA - Friday, December 20, 2002 at 08:46:51 (MST)

Good morning everyone---Good news!---great news!----One of you sent me a check for $200 for our Christmas fund! Our total is now $600! Don't you wish I could tell you who it was? Let me just say that all of you know him(Santa?). What a wonderful and generous contribution. Another angel has just gotten his wings. Again, thanks to all of you for participating. A money order will be sent tonight, for $600, and should be delivered in time for Christmas. Wow. Today is a wonderful day, can you feel it? Always there for our Veterans, just like the rest of you, Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Heaven, USA - Friday, December 20, 2002 at 07:19:43 (MST)

Good morning flight.Bernie, thanks for the call this AM. Just glad to here from your "rump roast" partner. Mark; you should've have put some tabasco on your fried balony & cheese. Just a little bro. Bill Shilleto, where are you ????? E'NUFF SAID.
Bruno E Sanchez <bulldog426@stx.rr.com>
Laredo, Tx USA - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 10:44:03 (MST)

Well dear friends, you should be proud of yourselves! We collected $400 for our 129th friend and brother as a holiday gift. The money will be used to send he and his wife to the re-union in Atlanta. I'm not going to say who it is, just trust that we did the best we could, and are happy with the decision. Whether this person decides to let himself be known or not is entirely up to him. We certainly understand if he quietly accepts our gift. He will be sent a certificate with the 129th patch on it and a note that states the gift is from all of us, compliments of a gentleman who never writes on the web, but is here all of the time. Our friend and brother is going to be very happy about our gift, so you feel happy too. Thank you again. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently <Jsinger@uwm.edu>
North Pole, USA - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 09:43:35 (MST)

Marky Mark, Fried bologna sandwich with cheese, that`s a "Hillbillie Cheeseburger"
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 09:23:36 (MST)

Flight: Finally got a day off!! I will find out a date today for accepting reservations for Atlanta and will post. Well we have 2 more 129th from the 65-66 tour. Max thanks for the phone number on Harlan, we have only exchanged voice mails. Hope all had a great thanksgiving. Take Care Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN. USA - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 09:00:28 (MST)

No I haven't yet. I usally wait till after the 1st also. Thanks Fred, Ron and Mark for telling about the reunion. I sure would like to make it next year, but will have to wait an see. Flight be careful out there and have a safe and Merry Christmas.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 08:39:15 (MST)

Mark,Ron,Fred.....sounds like a good time at the ole "TOP". Wish I could have been there. I've got it on the calender for next year! This would be good time to think about a mini-reunion at the "TOP" come Spring (pre-Atlanta)....any takers? Rick, have you (or anyone else) made reservations at Atlanta yet? I tried this morn, but, they say there is no listing for it yet. I called the toll # and direct. I told them I'll try again after the 1st of the year. Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 08:13:58 (MST)

.............Hellllllooooooooo....my friends..........off for the night.....home, and just ate a fried bologna sandwich........yummy!!!!!!!!!...........future son-in-law works the night shift now. he turned 21 couple of weeks ago.........ats good fer Dee and I. We actually can spend a few minutes noddin' in and out on each other as we set in the chairs with the boob tube on!!!!!!!!!!.......AAAAHHHHHHHHH...Saturday night!!!!!!!!!!!......so much to say............actually this year has been very good to me. I dont mean as a business, thats been OK also. But I mean the things that Have happened in my life this year...............and that includes becoming a brother to all of you...........the Christmas Party with the 129th/173rd was a night to remember. I would have to say that with Fred Alvis, and Ron Paye and the rest of the 173rd and their 6's.....gosh we probably had 40 people there at 6:30 for the supper. The Herd guys had called me earlier in the week to ask if I could get my Mom and Dad up for the supper. Now.......to know my dad.......who is a mountain of a man , as Fred and Ron has so will depicted in their set rep's of the party, well........you know that they say you can move a mountain. I moved a mountain, my dad, because he came to the party....Dee said I could'nt get him to come and was worried about me being so disappointed when he didn't.....I MOVED A MOUNTAIN........Dad and Mom was a lil' nervous at the start, but after we all honored them as "Honorary Gold Star mom and Dad" of the XVII Chapter of the 173rd Air Borne brigade the ole' man settled down a bits. Him and Mom ate some of the supper and before ya know it Dad was grabbin' WWII Marine Corps Dog Tags out to have me go and show all the guys. His Tags only have 6 numbers on it, and he can rattle them off just like I can mine. Then he had me go out to his car and get his 1800 something Colt 45 that he carries and show all the guys................I only ask him to stay for his usual 25 minutes, but he stayed for an hour and a half!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....he had a tear in his eye when he left.................me and my dad.......long story.......I worked for him, and beside him for 41 years. Started pushin' a broom for him when I was 9..........but we never really got along with each other. Ya know how that goes.......was'nt until I left the joint and went out on my own, we have become best of friends and believe it or not, I can put my arms around him and give him a kiss on the cheek!!!!!!!!!.......yeah!!!!!!!!!all brand new to me!!!!!!!!!!!so I am lovin' it. All those years I would leave his side from work and feel so bad about it all, now I visit him once a week and when I leave I tell him I love him and hug him and the feeling in my heart is such a warm one. Kinda like when I am around one of you all!!!!!!!!!!THE PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!.........I got "happy feet" early and I think I either danced or was on the stage doin' back up vocals with the band the whole night long........ask Ron Paye............BY THE WAY.........OUR ONE AND ONLY MR. RON PAYE WAS THE SENIOR RANKING MILATARY PERSANAL IN THE POP-A-TOP THAT NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!.....Thanks for comin' Ron, and you too Fred......BY THE WAY FRED.......you snuck out with out givin' me a hug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..............The Hred also had Santa come in and gave out some gifts. They gave me one of those hand carved HUEYS. I now have 2 of them and both hang in the Pop-A-Top as if they are either going into, or out of a LZ.....they look great......a great time was had by all...........Spence, of the 173rd promised me that none of the Herd would jump from the bar this year acting like they were pulling their rip cords, WELL, guess who was the one to do it first, YEP....SPENCE;-))))))))))......he jump towards me, as if I would catch him. Cripe, the guy is 6'2" and 280.......like I'm gonna catch him......we both hit the floor and his hat went into my mixed drink dump bucket. You know, the "Spider Mix".anyways...........as the night went on, some of my regular, local patrons came in and boy were they treated to a night of entertainment with the Herd and the 129th.......BTW RON.... I had to buy a new bottle of Scotch today.....you got into to that didnt ya;-)))))))))..had my favorite band there that night......ask Ron...they do not hit a sour note all night long....and besides that, they let me get up and sing and play the harmonica with them......nice guys!!!!!!!!!there is no certain AO of the Pop-A-Top that is a Dance Floor.....when we get a rockin' the whole place dances!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........I got home that night, threw the brief case on the table, and almost had to crawl to bed. I was shot......could hadly move the next day....Damb Happy Feet!!!!!!!!!!!!.......AND GUESS WHAT????????????????????...THE HERD CALLED ME MONDAY AND HAVE ALREADY BOOKED THE DATE OF DECEMBER 6TH OF NEXT YEAR,2003, AS THE DATE FOR THE 129TH/173RD CHRISTAMS PARTY FOR NEXT YEAR. ....TRY AND MAKE IT IF YOU CAN.........ASK RON AND FRED!!!!!!!!!!....in the season that it is.........Dee and I, and all the kids, and dogs, and grandkids, wish each and every one of you the best of times for the season and the best year in your life next year..........you all have made my life an all brand new thing.......each day is a wonderful thing to me because of all of you. I either hear from one of you, or get e-mail from one of you and there is not a word invented that can tell you all what that does to me..........I aint got much money, but I am a rich, blessed man because of our relationships!!!!!!!!!!!!!..I have had the oppertunity to meet many of you in person, and to the ones that I have not met yet, I am sure that the ones I have met, carry the hearts as you all do..........does that make sense???????......does to me.................please be careful out there........have a great season.......................always a brother and sister, cant wait for Alanta next summer................Mark and Dee
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 17:59:26 (MST)

if u notice, those stupid, rude, bitches didnt leave way to contact them
alvis
USA - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 16:47:59 (MST)

Gale, my friend, that was very cute what you sent me in the Xmas card, Thank You Brother. Yea it looks like California Valley Girls.....Dude.......and New York Sophisticate invading our web-site. Shit......vanity is about 25 years behind my ole ass.....I remember my barber telling me " Fred your gonna have to get a hair-piece or a transplant". I said, " That just means I can wear more baseball hats". Eye-laser surgery.... just give me my ole John Lennon wire frames ( with a no-line bi-focal of course) I do have a little vanity left.
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 12:47:18 (MST)

What is this.....an open forum for plastic surgery recipients or just plain vanity??
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 12:13:34 (MST)

Alan and flight, I am out of 129th emblems right now. I am going to place another order of 50 patches and should get them in a few weeks. Not in time for Christmas! Alan, I will hold your check until I fill your order.
Dan Hertlein <dhertlein@ci.renton.wa.us>
Sumner, WA USA - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 08:13:34 (MST)

Happy Holidays Family..............I will give my full report of the 129th/173rd Christmas party tonight. Fred and Ron sumed it up pretty good, but there are a few details that I also would like to add.................see ya tonight...always a brother, Mark
Mark jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 06:47:48 (MST)

Brother Allen, Welcome Home..... Allen do you know or ever hear of a guy named David Winslow? He`s from Winlow,Maine, I served with him in Germany after Nam and the 129th. That`s his real last name Winslow from Winslow, Maine. FLIGHT.... went to Kitty Hawk and Kill Devil Hills on the Outer Banks of NC, for the 99th aniverserary of the Wright Brothers first flight. At 10:35 AM yesterday, 99 fixed wing aircraft flew over the celebration!!!!!! Every kind of fix wing aircraft you could imagine, from vintage WW1 to the Stealth !!!! Really Neat!!!!! Wright Brothers were from Dayton, Ohio......not North Carolina....... The Party sounded great at the Pop-A-Top...... kind of ironic, in 1984 I met a fellow named Elton(Glenn) Vincent from Atlanta in a bar in Columbus, Ohio. Glenn had been with the 173rd at English and Uplift and was very aware of Bulldogs and Cobras. I talk to Glenn a few months ago, he`s retired now and living in Lakeland, Florida. But the 173nd and the 129th was "hangin out" long before the "The Top" connection, that`s real cool.......Lookin forward to gettin home to Ohio for Xmas..... and Ohio State puttin a "whuppin on them Canes".
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 04:39:59 (MST)

Iserved with the 129th from April 72 to August 72.Iworked in the tech supply office for a Warrent officer by the name of Camron.He also servded as test pilot for the company.Iwas just curios if anybody out there had heard of him.Merry Cristmas to everyone and welcome home.Great site.
Alan D. Veilleux <sualvei@wtvl.net>
Winslow , Me USA - Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 18:08:40 (MST)

Ron Paye, Sir, thank you for your tale of the 173rd/129th holiday extravaganza. Sounds like it was great! Bigger and better next year! Mark, thank you for your explanation of all of the items on the POW/MIA Missing Man Table. That ceremony is one, that when done right, and it sounds like it was, brings tears to the eyes of all in attendance. I've been organizing the ceremony for several years and I weep softly every time we do it. We miss our friends and brothers, and the POW/MIA Table Ceremony reminds "them" of that. It's the least we can do for those who gave all. Thank you again, Mark. On another note, Bernie....I saw your memorial to Claud Strother! That was wonderful of you. Tears welled in my eyes. Always, Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Thank a Veteran, USA - Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 06:50:06 (MST)

Flight, I had a busy day, but I must take time to try and tell about the wonderful Christmas party at the Pop-a-Top. Fred, you did a marvelous job of expressing your feelings and thoughts of Saturday night. The Party. WOW-MOM-WOW!!!!! The 173rd had a magnificent party Saturday. You all missed a good one. It will become an annual event and everyone must try and make it next year..... >>>>>To start out the 173 had a special Gold Star presentation for Marks mom and dad. To say it was moving is a major understatement. Fred! you did a great job describing Marks dad. I can see him now, leaning on his cane. And! Yes I can still see the shining in his eye and the grin on his face. He was proud. He was a Combat Veteran, being honored by other combat veterans.Proud, proud, proud. All of our hearts go out to any parent who lost a child. We know it could have been "our" parents. That was special>>>>>> The Missing man table....... We had a flight helmet to honor air crews and a grunt helmet to honor grunts on the small POW/MIA table. Mark did a very moving and difficult explanation of what all the items on the table stood for. I don't think there was a dry eye in the place. Total silence. You could have heard a pin drop. Mark! Hand salute. >>>>>>>>We then were treated to a fabulous meal. All you could eat, and it was excellent>>>>>>>The band...... Mark had a really great Blue's band. They could play any where any place. They had the walls pulsating. I think people came in just to see what the heck was causing all the vibrations in town. The stop lights had to be shaking.They really had the place rocking. Mark and his future son-in-law even treated us by helping the band out with a few numbers. Mark was ""in the grove"" Singing, playing the drums. He was all over the stage. You all should have seen him. Get down, get down Mark. >>>>>> I wish we had a video of Spence dancing on the bar. The only thing funnier was the expressions on the faces of all the civilians watching. It was great. Their mouths open in disbelief and trying to laugh at the same time. Great, great funny moment. To anyone who has not met Spence. You are missing a great one. He is truly one of a kind. A wonderful man. Definitely the life of any party. Every thing was super, great, outstanding. But the thing I will not be able to do justice was the way the 173rd tried to make me feel welcome. I was not 129th and they 173rd. We were one. They really, really, really went out of their way to make me feel like they wanted me there. It was "Love and Brotherhood" pure and simple. I felt as at home with them as I do with the 129th at Kokomo. Family. One thing that always has me in awe, and brings me intense feelings of pride, is the respect we have for one another. Here I am setting at the bar and Spence is telling the civilians next to me how great "air crews" were and how we had such big balls. How we would fly into any LZ, no matter how hot, with nothing but plex glass to stop the bullets. Not to take anything away from you guy's but talk about big balls...if I'm not mistaken...Spence was awarded the Silver Star and here he is talking about how brave air crews were. Talk to air crews and we say its the "Grunts" that had the big ones. We would drop them off and then we were outa there. The Grunts were there for the duration, be it days or weeks. Down in the mud and the blood, slugging it out, eye to eye. Being an old grunt in the Corps I had a special place in my heart for the guys on the ground. They didn't call them "TROOPERS" for nothing. Spence, you da man, I love you brother. In closing...So much more I would like to say but don't know how to put all the emotions into words. Spence, I thank you and the "Herd" for the great time. Mark, Thanks for the Pop-a-Top, great band , and being Mark Jackson, one of the nicest men I have ever met. To the 173rd, I thank you for welcoming me into your special group and making me feel that I belonged. I sincerely look forward to the day we can be together again. I hope it is before Kokomo. Fred, it was good seeing you again. I have a small token from the 173rd for you. Flight, you all have to make it to next years Christmas party. You missed a really great one. This weekend was really what Christmas is all about. Love and Brotherhood. Ron Paye
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 19:56:54 (MST)

Thanks Fred for telling us that didn't make it to the reunion. I wish some day we can all get together. This was told by Stacy, Mark "Thank God For Your Life".**********Flight be careful out there. Clear left.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 18:26:43 (MST)

Morning all. Tom, thank you. This is my last request to increase our Christmas gift to a brother of the 129th. We're doing well, but not enough for a ticket to Atlanta yet, and that's a wonderful goal. So, I'd like to thank those of you who have given, and would encourage others to please give it a second thought. Thanks everyone. Always there for our Veterans-Gently. Just in case: 2228 N.115th Street, Wauwatosa, WI, 53226.
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
North Pole, USA - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 08:28:22 (MST)

hello group, I will let ron payne tell of the xmas party,he writes much better than i. mark, was so very nice to meet ur parents, wonder people.The tears runing down ur moms face during the gold star ceremony spoke of the pain, loniness and hurt we have all felt in the insueing years, but to watch a mother..she indeed gave more than all of us, for she gave her son.Your father, so proud,dignified.bent over by years of toil,thick hands,harden by years of hard work holding on to the cane.one could see the pride in his eyes,of Larry,and of you, Mark, my friend. Semper fi Mr.Jackson. semper fi Mark. Airborne,our 173rd brothers. The galss is raised in proud salute to u all and to those who are with us in sprit and memorey.No one sat at the mia table, but yet,the table was crowed with our thouths to those who were at that table.May god bless all,all have a joyous xmas,be at piece my brothers.
alvis
USA - Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 17:14:31 (MST)

Flight, Heading out the door on the way to the Pop-a-Top for the Christmas party. Hope to see some of you there. Thoughts of you who are not there......to bad.......We will talk about you like a "Red Headed Step Child.......:>)))) We will lift a glass to you all. Love and Brotherhood. Ron Paye
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 11:54:14 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT.. WANT TO SAY HELLO TO ALL AND TO BRUNO.. THAMKS FOR SAYING HELLO; I SEND YA E MAIL ONE DAY..HELLO ROB HOW YOU DOING I KNOW U STAY BUSY.. THATS GRATE. I NEVER FORGET ALL I MET HERE.. GENTLY IKNOWYOU HAVE A BUDY WEEK END JUST YOU AND JOE BE SAFE.. I LOVE YOU ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS ALAX SHOULDER STILL SME BUT IT WILL WORK OUT THANKS FOR ASKING.. AND PETE AND JOANN I WISH YOU WELL GOD BLESS YA ALL LOVE YOU ALL ABROTHER ALWAYS
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET, MD USA - Friday, December 13, 2002 at 13:52:23 (MST)

Gently, thanks for the reminder. Bruno and Bernie's aircraft. Bruno good to hear from you on the log. Hope you can make Atlanta. Ray, brother hope the shoulder is doing much better. Looking forward to seeing you in Atlanta. To the rest of the Flight, all who are making the trip to Coldwater for the 129th/173rd herd Christmas, be careful driving. Alex
Alex <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 14:37:35 (MST)

Gently, Thanks for Remembering ole Claude. Bernie, where the hell are you? Ray Gagner, hello. I remember you.
Bruno E Sanchez
Laredo, TX USA - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 13:18:15 (MST)

Happy Birthday to Claud Strother, 12/12/45. KIA on "426" April of 1972. Missed by all. I will post a memorial for him today. Always there, Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Thank a Veteran, USA - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 07:28:24 (MST)

ORDERING MILITARY RECORDS: Does everyone know about this? There's now an online way to speed up ordering copies of DD-214s, decorations, making corrections to military records, etc. After filling out and sending the online form, you then need to mail or fax in a signature form, to confirm it (the signature form is the last page of the process). The web site is at: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/vetrecs/
Max Whittington <max@oregonpi.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 11:50:59 (MST)

GENTLY,,,CHECKS IN THE MAIL,,,IF I CAN MAKE 1 PERSON FEEL BETTER AT X-MAS,,,MY OWN DOWNTIME WANT FEEL AS BAD,,,,,FRED, HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY,,,BROTHER WE GOT SOMETHIN IN COMMON,,,NO IT COULD NOT BE THAT WE ARE HILLBILLY'S,,,,I'LL BE 52 AT MY BIRTHDAY, OH BY THE WAY ON MY TRIP UP TO OHIO,,,SISTER SET ME STRAIGHT,,,,BLAINE KY,,,NAUGH THAT'S LAWERENCE, MY FAMILY IS FROM ELLIT,,,TO DAVE POWERS,,I GOT A SPECIAL X-MAS PRESENT BRO,,,JUST RIGHT FOR AN "OLE" CREWCHIEF, CHECK YOUR HOME E-MAIL,,,,TO ALL THE 129TH BROTHERS AND TO THE COURAGES LADIES I HOPE THAT ALL HAVE A MERRY X-MAS AND BE BLESSED WITH ALL THE RICHES THE NEW YEAR HAS TO OFFER. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE JUNE LANDING,,,PLEASE DON'T SPREAD THE SKIDS,,,YEAH I'LL BE THE FNG
JIM OLIVER <OLIVER_31683@HOTMAIL.COM>
PEMBROKE, GA USA - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 10:24:47 (MST)

Sounds like a good one at the Pop a Top this weekend. be carefu out there. Mark sounds like you need some rest brother.
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 09:54:20 (MST)

Hello flight. Forgive me for I have sinned. It has been over a month since my last posting. How's everyone doing? Ray Gagner, how are you doing? I hope your shoulder is healing ok. Gently, the check is in the mail. That's a very nice thing you and all the rest of the flight are doing I'm sure someone will really appreciate it. Christmas is almost here and I just started shoping last night. I picked up some bugs for my Grandkids from Radio Shack that scream when you twist their legs. I'm sure Their mother will be ready to kill me after a few days of that. Mark, I hope you have a good Mini Christmas with the herd and those that are close to Pop A Top. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 07:44:11 (MST)

Flight: Finally found a friendly LZ. Been working the last few weeks without a day off. And first early enough to get on the computer. Had 75 1/2 hours in last week. Glently thanks for the update on the fund!! I encourage any whom can make a small donation, please do so. It will be used to help some of our own. Mark!! sorry to miss the Christmas at the Pop-A-Top. You all have a safe one!! The Pop-A-Top has come a long way. Fred a belated Brithday greetings!! Max (Sgt.Twiggy) you still got the fight. Hope you can make Atlanta! Be nice to get some of the old timers together. Wish I could find Harlan Quambio. But no luck yet. Don Miller forget you don't work on Mondays. Well, LZ Atlanta will be here before we know it. Hope to have the biggest turn out yet for the 129th. I am shooting for 50 this year!! And I know we can do it. Joe Johnson take care!! And a great evening to all the rest of my 129th family.Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 17:29:11 (MST)

Hey Mark, I will bring the POW/MIA script with me. I have done it several times and was thinking we should include it Sat, but didn't want to horn in. Also, could you post directions to the Hetel we will be staying at. I plan on ariving mid afternoon. Hope to see as many of you there as possable. The rest of you...... your ears will be ringing. Love and Brotherhood. Ron Paye
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 17:12:22 (MST)

,,,Evenin' flight....just a short question in between naps for me.......does any one have the speech that goes along with the "EMPTY TABLE" for the POW/MIS's??????......the 173rd Herd and a few of the 129th will be at the Pop-A-Top this weekend for a Christmas Party and I want an EMPTY TABLE there!!!!!!!............Bless you all and to all good health and love..............always a Brother, Mark.........Hey Gently????????????..what e-mail were you talking about???...sorry babe.......over run down here..........I knoiw that is not an excuse, we all are......but please remind me of that e-mail.
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 14:27:14 (MST)

Larry K. May I have your email address please. And to all on the web, our donation pail is filling, and I want to thank you who have already donated. You are wonderful people, wonderful. And to those who promised, or who have been thinking about a donation, the pail is not covered, there's still more room...so, come on! Let's help someone out this year-let's get someone to Atlanta for the re-union, or help them pay a bill, or purchase some groceries, put gas in their car, buy their meds, help them get a wheel chair, or glasses...whatever. It is through giving and helping another Veteran that we are healed. I know you will all come through. Make my listing your checks on my deposit slip a long and painful endeavor. Always there for you-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Holiday Giving to a Veteran of the 129th, USA - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 07:24:50 (MST)

hello flight, I had something interesting happen when I put up my lights this year. click on my name below to see it or go to http://donald_6.tripod.com/christmaslights.htm it takes a little while for the pic's to down load but I thought it was interesting. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 19:54:21 (MST)

Some of you may have gotten an email with this poem in it, but for those of you who deserve the recognition that it brings, I thought I'd share it. Maybe some of you didn't "choose" to go to war, but the fact remains that you were there for us, willing to fight for us, enabling us to still be free. God bless...... It reads: T'WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, HE LIVED ALL ALONE, IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF PLASTER AND STONE. I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE, AND TO SEE JUST WHO IN THIS HOME DID LIVE I LOOKED ALL ABOUT, A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE, NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS, NOT EVEN A TREE. NO STOCKING BY MANTLE, JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND, AND ON THE WALL PICTURES OF FAR DISTANT LANDS. WITH MEDALS AND BADGES, AWARDS OF ALL KINDS, A SOBERING THOUGHT CAME TO MY MIND. FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT SO DARK AND SO DREARY, THE HOME OF A SOLDIER, NOW I COULD SEE CLEARLY. THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING, SILENT, ALONE, CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME. THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE, THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER, NOT HOW I PICTURED A UNITED STATES SOLDIER. WAS THIS THE HERO OF WHOM I'D JUST READ: CURLED UP ON A PONCHO, THE FLOOR FOR A BED? I REALIZED THE FAMILIES THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT, OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT. SOON ROUND THE WORLD, THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY, AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY. THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS, LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE. I COULDN'T HELP WONDER HOW MANY LAY ALONE, ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME. THE VERY THOUGHT BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE, I DROPPED TO MY KNEES AND STARTED TO CRY. THE SOLDIER AWAKENED AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE, "SANTA DON'T CRY, THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE; I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM, I DON'T ASK FOR MORE, MY LIFE IS MY GOD, MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS." THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER AND SOON DRIFTED TO SLEEP, I COULDN'T CONTROL IT, I CONTINUED TO WEEP. I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS, SO SILENT AND STILL, AND WE BOTH SHIVERED FROM THE COLD EVENING'S CHILL. I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT, THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR SO WILLING TO FIGHT THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER, WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE, WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA, IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE." ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH, AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT. "MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT." This poem was written by a Marine stationed in Okinawa Japan. Sue
Sue Hydinger <oldstuff@pointonline.net>
Rosholt, WI USA - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 18:50:29 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT.. WANT TO THANK BUD FOR THE BUCK EYES HE SENT ME I NEVER HEARD OF THEM... I NEVER THOUGHT THEY SO BIG TO.. I SAVED THEM .. I THOUGHT IT MAY LOO LIKE BLACK EYED PEA SO THANKS BUT\D,, NOW HOW ARE MY BROTHES AND SISTERS DOING,, WELLL JUST WANTTO SAY TAKE CARE MY BROTHRS AND SISTERS A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY OH THANKS RICK FOR THE CARDS ;-) LOVE YOU ALL
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET , MD USA - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 16:30:30 (MST)

I too am glad to hear from you Joe. You take care and watch out for those playing cards.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 13:00:28 (MST)

Good to hear from you Joe. I hope you get to feeling better. As I recall....you could hardly afford to lose 12 lbs could you? Enjoy the Holidays brother and keep in touch. Clear left, Gale
Gale
USA - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 08:00:02 (MST)

GALE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSERN! I HAVE JUST RETURNED TO THAILAND FROM LAOS. STAYED FOR TWO WEEKS, AM A BIT SICK. BUT LOOKING ON THE BRIGHT SIDE; I LOST 12 POUNDS.------------ NOTE THAT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS POSTED INCORECTLY ON THIS ROSTER. ------------------------- BEST REGUARDS TO ALL.------------------------------------------------------------------ JOE cobra073@yahoo.com
JOE JOHNSON <cobra073@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 07:35:19 (MST)

Flight, Has anyone heard from Joe Johnson lately? His e-mail was returned unknown. Are you out there Joe? Gale
GALE <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
USA - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 05:51:22 (MST)

Hello All!! Well, I will start out with a Happy Birthday Fred!! I hope the weather and damage is getting better down your way. I am starting my 59th time around today also and am going to have a big steak tonight to get things going. Gently, the check is in the mail. Ted (Gus) good to see you on... Have you gotten any antennas up over there? Would be nice to set up a sked on 40 meters..?? Liz, Nice job.. What a catch you made Alex..!! I am still working lots of hours and don't post much but do try to keep up on the posts. It looks like things have been pretty lively here.., Good.. Now. Here is wishing all of you the best of the Holidays. I will not be able to make the party at the Pop a Top and hope all that do have a great time. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.. Kal..
Kal Bergstrom <n8auu@email.com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 12:27:08 (MST)

http://www.vhcma.org/reunion.html*******This is the site for info on the reunion. The 129th has a room. Who is going? *************** Gus good to hear from you. What kind of fish do you catch? Walleye and trout I'am guessing. Be careful out there.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 10:39:30 (MST)

Happy Birthday Fred. Just a note to let you all know I am still out here. We have about 2.5" of snow on the ground here. We have had some below zero nithts so we are making ice on the lakes. Time to drill some holes and start fishing. Take the time to remember all of those lost on this date. Gus
Ted (Gus) Gustafson <tgus@uslink.net>
Grand Rapids, MN USA - Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 10:34:05 (MST)

Fred Happy Birthday. You have a good one and many more. You weather doesn't look good. Maybe you should start building bunkers. Be careful out there to all in the storms.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 08:47:23 (MST)

Happy Birthday Fred!! I'm glad you guys are alright down there...sure sounds bad. Gale
Gale
USA - Friday, December 06, 2002 at 15:09:52 (MST)

December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day........Larry Bird`s Brithday.....and Fred Skaggs 52nd Brithday...Man all hell broke loose down here in Raleigh...Just got our power back after 48 hours without. Ice storm of the century down here. My back yard looks like a bomb hit it, I had (8) 100 feet tall pine trees that are only 65 feet tall now. Lost the 2 trees in the front yard. One of the trees in the back yard, the tip top, hit the ground and inbedded about tree feet straight upside down. Nothing got hit but our brick patio, not much damaged there. The neighbors tree crashed on my chain link , about 20 feet of fence gone. Kim and I are OK and my truck didn`t get hit.....Good Lord was with us. I`ve had enough excitement the last couple of days, so I`ll spend my brithday.....Sober.....for the first time in about 35 years. Besides my arthritis meds will make me sick if I drink with them.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, December 06, 2002 at 13:11:40 (MST)

Pearl Harbor Day tomorrow. Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Thank a Veteran, USA - Friday, December 06, 2002 at 09:18:22 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT... I SUREDI DID GET PIC THANKS GALE...ABROTGER..ALWAYS RAY BE SAFE YOU ALL
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET , MD USA - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 15:45:21 (MST)

Lordy....I lucked out this time on the snow. I live about 20 clicks No of I-70 on the Ind / Ill border and we didn't get a thing. Everything went So of I-70. Ray, did you get that pic of the "girly-men" that I sent you? Later Bro & Sis's, Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 12:51:03 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT...JUST WANT TO SAY HELLO TO ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.... WE ARE GETTING SNOW 6-10 BUT I KNKOW SOME ARE HETTING LOTS MPRE...RON DEBATES HOW MUCH DO U GET ARE YOU IN MOUNTAINS OR FLAT LAND..AND GENTLY DO U GRTS LOTS OF SNOW..WELL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS TAKE CARE.. KNOW I BE A BROTHER TO ALL YOU ALL BE SAFE RAY OH HOW IS THE SNOW IN OHOHI THE DARN STATE WHERE MARK..BUD.. AND PETE LIVE TAKE CARE ALL ;-)
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET , MD USA - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 09:57:39 (MST)

Morning Flight, Great quote from Dead Center, A Marine Sniper's Two-Year Odyssey In The Vietnam War by Ed Kugler.. ""I loved Hueys; they were just peace of mind wrapped in a green box with a whirligig on top"". You my brothers were the "piece of mind". Ron no longer a freedom fighter Paye.
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 06:28:26 (MST)

....YeeeeHaaaaa...Don........I'll have to admit, I wasnt lookin' at your face;-))))).....but when I did. I knew it was you!!!!!!.....love to you all...always a brother, Mark
Mark Jacksonfourfour@bright.net <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 20:33:51 (MST)

Gale, thanks for sending me the pic. I 'bout fell out of my chair laughing at it when it came in. but I do have to say to Mark .... I can't believe you didn't recognize me in the pic ...... but then you didn't see me with my clothes off at the reunion ...LOL I do look a lot different with them on. ( thank goodness )Later, Don
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 18:28:19 (MST)

Gently, the check is in the mail.
Katharine <fricabeunme@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 12:10:03 (MST)

LOL-but we all have a price don't we...Gently.
Gently <Jsinger@uwm.edu>
Photo city, USA - Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 08:59:28 (MST)

Ron, If you sweet talk them, (as only you can do) maybe they will still send you something. How 'bout it girls? Although, after seeing Alex in that picture, they may be a little intimidated. Ha! Gale
Gale
USA - Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 08:47:06 (MST)

Gale, I wish you had waited a few days to sent the picture out. I was anxiously waiting for Judith and Liz to send me some 8x10 glossies or a few Polaroid's. Now I must go back to relying on my imagination....... Ron
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.com>
Sad city, Confusion USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 16:33:50 (MST)

Flight-just a gentle reminder that we collecting money for one of our 129 brothers as a Christmas gift. Please let me know of someone in the 129th whom you feel we could help. Send your donation to me at: 2228 N. 115th Street, Wauwatosa, WI 53226 and your suggestions to my email address. So far I have $25.00, though there is more promised. I'm not going to ask for your help and contributions too many more times(maybe just once more). I'm going to assume that those of you who can, will. And please make suggestions even if you are unable to financially contribute. The money can be used however "the chosen" wants/needs to use it, though making sure they join us in Atlanta would be a great idea. Please ponder the possibilities your gift could do. Always there for our Veterans, Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Thank a Veteran!, USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 14:32:32 (MST)

In a train carriage there was Bill Clinton, George Bush, Janet Reno and Bo Derek. After several minutes of the trip, the train passes through a dark tunnel and the unmistakable sound of a slap is heard. When they leave the tunnel, Clinton has a big red slap mark on his cheek. (1) Bo Derek thought - "That sleaze ball Clinton wanted to touch me and by mistake, he must have put his hand on Janet Reno, who in turn must have slapped his face." (2) Janet Reno thought - "That dirty Bill Clinton laid his hands on Bo Derek and she smacked him." (3) Bill Clinton thought - "George put his hand on Bo Derek and by mistake she slapped me." (4) George Bush thought - "I hope there's another tunnel soon so I can smack Clinton again."
alvis
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 13:05:16 (MST)

HELLO FLIGHT... WOULD YOU ALL SEND ME SOME PIC... I GOT ONE COULDNT SEE..I NEED TO SEE CUTE BUTTS LOL... TAKE CARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.. I TRUL LOVE YA ALL.. ROB THANKS FOR THE CALL MADE MY DAY .. CANT WAIT TO GO TO ATLANA...A BROTHER TO ALL RAY
RAY GAGNER <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
STREET, MD USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 12:19:23 (MST)

Gale now that you took this pic I wonder what you look like?? Lets see your pic.
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 12:18:17 (MST)

Rick, that's pretty good when you can have all that and still have the "biggest gun." You sure look happy and confident!! Hahahaha! Judith, don't ask me where these goofy ideas come from.....just a crazy Nam Vet. Luv ya all!! Gale
Gale
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 08:57:17 (MST)

Too funny!!!! Way too funny!!Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Love a Veteran!, USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 08:43:19 (MST)

Judith that is without any medical help too. Not like Mark. Thank you Judith for that complement. HEEEEEEEEEEE And don't forget the nice butt too.
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 08:29:24 (MST)

Gale-I'm still laughing! How did you ever come up with that idea? Never mind...knowing you, it had to be done. That guy on the left??? That's our own cute(and stacked) Rick England, I know because of his "chi chis." LOL Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Love my "stacked " Veterans :>) , USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 08:07:01 (MST)

Yea! if that pic goes on the page the Iraqis will turn over all their weapons. Will scare them for sure. With new bodies like that we can go another 50 some years. HEHEHEHE
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 08:03:41 (MST)

You people that lives in the NE area get your snow plows out. Mark I think it is a good idea to BC the pic.
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 07:39:23 (MST)

Marky Mark.....Those pictures didn`t come thru at all....they didn`t open up. Gale Beard or Ron Paye may have to send them to me..........maybe.....
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 07:18:46 (MST)

......I'm trying to see if our webmaster will post the pix in the Gallery section......what do you guys think????...or might it offend somebody.....we do get young ones on there sometimes for school projects.........hum....maybe we better just BC it to all instead of post it.......that sounds better........always a brother, Mark
Mark Jackson
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 06:56:45 (MST)

Oh! Ron don't quit now you look good baby. HEHEHEHE
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 06:26:46 (MST)

I thought I had bigger chi chis than that. Mark when did you get that operation their to good to be true. I have to get the in sun more. I am afraid the hair on the faces don't match. Oh! I got the bigger gun. This is funny LOL. Good job Gale.******Be careful out there. ****Anybody want the pic BC me.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 06:23:44 (MST)

Gale, Oh "OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!! I don't know what to say. Looks like Clinton's "Don't ask, Don't tell policy" strikes again. Looks like my FF days may be over. Damn! I really did want one of them berets. By the way, Who is the one on the left. Sure is a cute little filly. Seams like I have seen her/him before. Out a da military once again. Civ Ron
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 05:27:57 (MST)

OK ..... where is this pic I keep hearing about ? now that I get word that I am in it, I want to see it for sure. hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. Later, Don
Don Miller <hogleg244@yahoo.com>
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 03:58:36 (MST)

Hey Mark..did you recognize yourself?? How much did that boob job cost ya? The he/she on the right is our own Don Miller. That Ron is a sly one ain't he? Mark, we need to share this with all. Luv ya man, Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 21:58:57 (MST)

.........YAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....Gale...........Dang man, I never knew my chest was that "BIG".............So Ron????......what kind of flam flusle ya tring to pull on us.....you guys are makin' me cornfused!!!!!!!!!!!!!;-)))))))))))))))))........and Gale??..Who is that recruit on the far right in the "PLATOON"?????????.................Remember all!!!!!!!...what ever como that goes on in here, is just the expression of many diverse minds, and bringin' up, of many of years, and personalities. Remember that we all have opinions...........carry on!!!!!!!!!!!......always a brother......mark
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 19:13:50 (MST)

Gently....I called Max..... A Brother..... you`re a Sister, not a referee....Brother Max....no nukes..... The guy that told me about "the flag" is a Merchant Marine Captain.... Bruce Stephenson.....All-State Ohio football player I grew with, Bruce got a full-ride scholarship to the Merchant Marine Academy, he didn`t see it as a distress signal. I lived in St.Germain (suburb of Paris) and my wife works for Schlumberger ( french oil company), got to know the mind-set of the culture. The " older frenchmen" that you refer to, usually vote communist party in the elections.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 15:57:22 (MST)

Fred: Well, since flying a flag upside down is an international military distress signal, maybe they're trying to tell us something -- again...(grin) I'm just saying let's not lump all Frenchmen together as arrogant, incompetent, s**theads -- let's at least weed out the *good* ones before we nuke 'em...
Max Whittington <Max@OregonPI.com>
USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 15:34:47 (MST)

Oh-oh! Here we go again. Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Be brothers you guys., USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 14:48:19 (MST)

Brother Max.....Just wondering...Have you ever lived in France? Have you ever worked for a French company? Do you speak the French language? Do you have any expat friends that live there and talk or e-mail them daily? Would it bother you to see a "american flag" flying upside down in a country, that the United States has "bailed out" more than once? Just Wondering!!!!!!!!!
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 14:40:37 (MST)

While we're *French bashing* (and, true, there's plenty to bash) let's keep in mind that the during WWII the French underground was the most active of any of the occupied countries, and many, many American and English *air crewmembers* owe their lives to the risks the underground took to hide downed crewmen. Quite a few of the underground, and sometimes even their families, were executed when caught helping the Allies, and some of those courageous underground members are still alive today, and deserving of our gratitude.
Max Whittington <Max@OregonPI.com>
USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 13:54:07 (MST)

Rick, just to back up what you are saying.......my Dutch Friend Hans, his father was 15 years old, during the occupation of Holland. He worked with the Dutch underground during the war. But during the war, he got down on the French/Belgium border and was captured by the French!!!!!!!! and turned over to the Nazi`s, the Dutch HATE the French. They are rotten SOB`s, if Churchhill and FDR had their way, DeGaulle would have never be a part of the anything. But to this day, Han`s father would say, "The French deserve everything the Nazi`s did to them". That was a strong enough statement for me to take notice. Even in today`s world, most of France`s major companies, at the top is a American running things. As far as technical stuff they hire americans and Swedes and India people to run the show. As far as the medical stuff, yes they found the AIDS virus, but it was brought in to France, in the ass-end of a Frenchmen!!!!!!!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 07:53:53 (MST)

CE Kenneth Wayne Wells, 12/2/42. Happy Birthday today Ken. We know that you and the rest of the crew of the UH-1D 66-00986 are at peace. KIA/MIA/POW 3/5/67, along with Reginald Morse, Hampden Cutts Judson, and Timothy Lynah. I have placed a memorial for them today at Thevirtualwall.com. Today, 12/2/69 UH-1B 64-13959 crashed. Let us remember our friends: William Sanderlin, Michael Shanley, William Dunlap, Martin Vanden Eykel. Know that they are at peace and will help you find yours. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently <Jsinger@uwm.edu>
Thank a Veteran, USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 07:38:44 (MST)

I love the hell out of this one.********* From a Marine in Bosnia. (Note the signature) A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia): A French army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he thought we (Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war. He said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count on the support of France. I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's rescue in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their ingratitude and jealousy was due to surface at some point in the near future anyway. That is why France is a third-rate military power with a socialist economy and a bunch of faggots for soldiers. I additionally told him that America, being a nation of deeds and action,not words, would do whatever it had to do, and France's support was only for show anyway. Just like in ALL NATO exercises, the US would shoulder 85% of the burden, as evidenced by the fact that the French officer was shopping in the American PX, and not the other way around. He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would like to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and beat his ass in front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus demonstrating that even the smallest American had more fight in him than the average Frenchman. He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff. With friends like these, who needs enemies? Mary Beth Johnson Lt Col, USMC
Rick England
USA - Monday, December 02, 2002 at 04:20:59 (MST)