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What years, seen that before. The Roks caught tthe nva east of the phu cats after tet they were between the mount. and the sea. They had the air force snake and nap them looked like the beach was covered in brunt hot dogs. We were on c&c mission.
Rick England
USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 20:52:42 (MDT)

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does anyone remember the mission,or was with me,when we went to search for a civilan airline crash on the mountian just outside of Quin Hon? the aircraft just missed clearing the top by about a 1oo feet or so.We found the crash site (finally) but no bodies untill we proceeded forward of the crash site,then the bodies began.Ripped apart like rags dolls,some burnt black and crisp. none had shoes on.i guess the force tore them out of their shoes.I remember one particular body.it (he) was remerkably intact,no torn off limbs,no burn marks,no chared spots.This person looked like they had simply gone to sleep.as i looked in amasement,i noticed,his belly was ripped open,wide open,intestines shrew about his loins.We went back to lane not long after that,for a hot meal.it was the only time in vietnam i couldnt eat....it was spegghetti.
alvis
USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 20:26:49 (MDT)

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once again, the ar (army regulation) stated that 50 hrs of flight in a combat zone or 25 hrs of acutall combat flight was the requirment to be awarded the airmedal. if some jerks at hq change it for their unit they where shit heads. robbie if you have someone who was with you have them check their orders most the time the orders would cover several individuals. and to answer the question about grunts, the regulation did not require you to be a flight crew. i had several grunts as me to sign off on a from showing they had flight time. take care and good luck robbie
donnie r. purvis <drpurvis1@yahoo.com>
lexington, nc USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 11:32:36 (MDT)

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Toall Once again want to thank u for all the help I do think u are right that Iam in for a heck fight but will do what it takes Allan I would apriciate any help I can get I got # u gave me to call I will tueday along with DAV see if they can help frist time they said they cant do anything cayse I went threw the VA frist I let u know whay happen but it sure driving me nuts thanks for all of you for taking time to care always a brother Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 10:50:54 (MDT)

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Fred I think the re supply mission would turn to combat in the log book. I had a few of those that were charlie charlie missions that turn combat. Flair missions turn combat. Sniffer misssons also. goes from 50 hrs per to 25 hrs per. well flight you have a fun and safe hoiday.
Rick England
USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 09:02:03 (MDT)

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So, my dude, Ron Debates gets his ass shot off on a resupply mission, that`s "combat support". Oh Yea, It`s clear as mudd to me!!!! I`m just a little piece of protoplasm walking around saying," Give me a piece of lettuce".
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 08:26:35 (MDT)

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Flight, last night I called my Uncle Elza(that`s his real first name), to ask some questions about dealing with the VA. He is a Normandy and Battle of the Bulge vet, but his feet were frost bitten and froze during the winter of 1944. He had steel plates in his heels of both feet, but has had surgery since then to upgrade the materials in his feet. Point being, he started applying for VA benefits in 1959, and only won his case in 1997. Frost bite is not considered a war wound he was told. At one point they told him in the 60`s, IT`s A Act Of God. Of course, him being a Baptish Minister, he beg to differ. Ray, my friend, your in for a fight of your life. If you can keep your head, when all around you are losing their`s, you will inherit the wind...... Every body here is in your corner.
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 08:05:50 (MDT)

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Ray, the way flight hours were logged by the a/c or pp determined how many hours were needed for the air medal. logging CA for "Combat Assualt" in mission block, 25 hrs for air medal. Logging CS "Combat Support" in mission block, 50 hrs for air medal. I trust that you have exhausted all efforts with the VA. In reading my "Shift Colors" , retired Navy Publication, there is a recently published Agent number (don't know how recent) 800 749 8387. I used to escort agent orange in 129 before they terminated it. Anything I can do, let me know. (King)
Allan Hewitt
Tavares, FL USA - Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 06:28:51 (MDT)

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Fred, I know from my flight records that even though the medall says missions, the things were awarded according to hours flown. It doesn't make any difference if one was a grunt, or a pilot, twenty five hours of CA time accounts for one air medal. It all depends on how the time was logged. Like you Freddy, I received two through five on a set of orders, after I left the service. I never knew that until I went back in, in 73. the time I logged at Long Binh with the Royal Thai Air Force never made it in to my records. Ray, just keep in mind that Republican, OR Democrat, a bureaucratic ass wipe is still the same. If nothing else, you can take some solace in the knowledge that you are making some piss ants feel powerful by jerking your chain........just think, if that's the high point of their lives, they deserve our pity! Happy labor day weekend to all Kim
Kim La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 20:32:23 (MDT)

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http://www.urnserenity.com/weird_1.htm *************** This site flight check it out Weird is a brother who does wood carvings of plaques he did for me with the bite n strike and the Iron Butter fly. You can see examples of the plaque.
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 16:23:32 (MDT)

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Maybe some of the Pilots here can help, they put the hrs. in the log book.
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 13:48:04 (MDT)

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hello all well I called tha DAV to see what they can do once again they said cant help me till I been turned I told lady how I was getting the run around told me to call tue so I will thanks you all I would not be here if not for all you and my friend Vinnie Iam so grate ful for the help a brother Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
stree, MD USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 13:47:04 (MDT)

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I don't know Fred. In the Heli units that I talked to they some criteria was the same and some were diffrent. Basically it was hours.
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 13:46:04 (MDT)

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hello my brothred and sisters my wife comes with me I trye to go to DAV he told me he cant help me till the VA turns ne down so much red tape thanks for all the help working on trying to get records thannks all Ray always a brother
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.om>
srteer, MD USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 12:37:35 (MDT)

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Another thing, I know grunts that have air medals, and they were with the 1st Division, 25th Infantry units. What`s the criteria on that. They were 11Boom,Boom. How does that happen.
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 10:55:13 (MDT)

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You brothers have been busy while I nap. KimYou are right in that is what is said in the orders and the letter that comes with the Air Medal that you hangup. In the past I have been talking to others with diffrent AO's have diffrent SOPs on that. I even believe that 129th at diffrent tours had diffrent SOPs. It doesn't matter in my opinion it was all combat like Kim says, I agree those holes in outr ships can come from any kind of mission.Were all right here. I think we need to pay a visit to this guy that Ray never flew just because he has a Air Medal it was earned not given. It sounds like were are cover each other back again here makes feel proud to be in the 129th. Be careful out there.
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 10:28:44 (MDT)

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Kim, my friend, is that 25 combat missions, or 25 combat hours, I have orders and the actual Air Medal in the case, but only recieved 1 Air Medal. My orders for Crewman wings, and the air medal, and Vietnamese Life Saving Cross was found in my 201 file while processing out of the Army in Germany. I had recieved a Soldier`s Medal about 3 months after I was gone from Nam. But I know that in Cambodia, we were flying out of Duc co and Plei Djereng. I was Bill Pecknold`s gunner. But we were flying 10 and 12 hour days sometimes longer. Were those "combat hours" in Cambodia? From about the last part of April 1970 until May 18. Somebody correct me if I`m wrong!!! Bottom line, I was wearing my stuff before I had orders. Plus the Army changed my MOS from 05B20 to 67A1F.
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 10:01:41 (MDT)

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Suggestion for Ray. Go to the local Disabled American Veterans office - the DAV. If your daughter can go with you, that would probably help. I say that because my sister goes with me because she can listen and hear what they are saying and can fill in the words I can’t find sometimes. Tell the DAV what has been happening with the VA. Bring your Air Medal certificate and tell them that the VA will not accept your Air Medals as proof that you flew in Vietnam even though it says “while participating in sustained aerial flight, in support of combat ground forces in the Republic of Vietnam. What are they thinking? Vietnam was a combat zone. That’s why we all got those little gold combat hash marks to go on the right sleeve of the dress greens. You do not have to belong to the DAV. They are there to help and they do help. I have seen them get action out of the VA when nothing else seems to work. The additional benefit of having the DAV help is that the VA must respond to the DAV in a certain time frame. They can’t drag it out for years. Oh, the DAV won't make you fill out a lot of forms and beat you to death with questions. Good Luck to you Ray, Cobra Soothsayer, 67-68
Tom Shanahan <Shanahan00@Cox.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 09:45:19 (MDT)

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Ray, the original air medal citation reads; By direction ofthe President THE AIR MEDAL is presented to ---------- who distinguished himself by meritorious achievement while participating in sustained aerial flight, in suport of combat ground forces in the Republic of Vietnam. During the period------ he actively participated in more than twenty-five aerial missions over hostile territory in support of operations against communist aggression. During these flights, he displayed the highest order of air discipline and acted in accordance with the best traditions of the service. By his determinaton to accomplish his mission, in spite of the hazards inherent in repeated aerial flights over hostile territory, and by his outstanding degree of professionalism and devotion to duty, he has brought credit upon himself, his orgainzation, and the United States army.....WHOOPIE!!!!!!!! As for which missions involved combat....I would check damage logs, or get after my service officer to try the witness verification route. there were enough other people on these flights to verify that some of them were hot. Good luck. Kim
Kim La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 07:28:28 (MDT)

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Hello my brothers just want to thank u for all your suport this is some thing I wrote a bit ago now I share with all Once again sleep has left my body. I woke up once with dreams of War For I see wars to the right of me and Wars to the left of me, And was in back of me, but what I fear most of Is the wars ahead of me For the wars to the right to me is the one in Afganistan in which was need Wars to the left of me is Israel and Palastine And the war in back of me are so many Like the War between the states The Revolutionary War And the WW 1 and WW 2 And yes they came home too as heroes Welcome and well disearved, but Then forgotten And comes the Korean War who too were forgotten And the Viet Nam War where over 50, thousand died And they too were forgotten But it is the wars ahead that bother me the most for all will use there weapons Of mass dectruction . And for what? To take over A world that is Dead So Sit here as my mind wanders and Ponders How nice it would be if all of theArmy's would throw down there guns and stop the suicide killing in the name of God For I heard a song called the Universal Soldier from long ago say, With out the Soldier, it's the way to put The end to War But we all know this will never happen Well this my thought for I could not sleep Ray Gagner 08-25-02 So All my brothers and sisters I wish you Well May God bless you all This is the song called the universal soldier you may down load if you like not sure i it came out I have been having trouble using the puter so take care if any one wants son I send by E mail you all takecare a brother alwaysRay
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol,com>
street, MD USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 07:14:05 (MDT)

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Here is another poem from Swash.*********************** A FOOT IN HEAVEN AND A FOOT IN HELL By Swashplate As in nature, a balence must be struck in an Aviator's life, We dash off into combat cracking jokes and watching the strife. We fondly remember our lovers at home,yet pay the whore, We drink to forget the sorrow,rage,and the bullet through the crew door! As the green foilage zips by,You can almost touch the leaves, Yet from the ground,sights trained on you steady,an easy kill a VC believes. Landing in a patty,field, or canopy hole, It`s all scarry to you, Your mind reruns crashes,of good pilots lost,skills they knew! Atitudes clash, Yet in the air, CE,pilots and gunners bond as a team, For things do go bad quick,the tail tale scream. The pilots,Rank higher than most, Only fly your bird, Yet, They stay with you and your ship, working into the night! Without a word! CE salutes his AC and ship as Cobras fly away, Yet, Pilots remember their CE`s with a cool beer at the end of the day! Pilots gets more money and exspensive stuff, Yet, CE`s tend to get the stuff through trades,haggeling rough! Mortared and rocket attacks on the ground, bullets and rockets in the air, Quickly graying our soft and short cut teenaged hair. Be it in the air or on the ground, Our jobs wasn`t that swell, For we all had a foot in heaven and a foot in HELL! We curse loud, our parents far away, Yet we pray silently at night,that tommorow will be OK! At night, the FNG`s can be heard to weep, Any wonder I had problems falling asleep!
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 05:26:32 (MDT)

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Here is another poem from Swash.*********************** A FOOT IN HEAVEN AND A FOOT IN HELL By Swashplate As in nature, a balence must be struck in an Aviator's life, We dash off into combat cracking jokes and watching the strife. We fondly remember our lovers at home,yet pay the whore, We drink to forget the sorrow,rage,and the bullet through the crew door! As the green foilage zips by,You can almost touch the leaves, Yet from the ground,sights trained on you steady,an easy kill a VC believes. Landing in a patty,field, or canopy hole, It`s all scarry to you, Your mind reruns crashes,of good pilots lost,skills they knew! Atitudes clash, Yet in the air, CE,pilots and gunners bond as a team, For things do go bad quick,the tail tale scream. The pilots,Rank higher than most, Only fly your bird, Yet, They stay with you and your ship, working into the night! Without a word! CE salutes his AC and ship as Cobras fly away, Yet, Pilots remember their CE`s with a cool beer at the end of the day! Pilots gets more money and exspensive stuff, Yet, CE`s tend to get the stuff through trades,haggeling rough! Mortared and rocket attacks on the ground, bullets and rockets in the air, Quickly graying our soft and short cut teenaged hair. Be it in the air or on the ground, Our jobs wasn`t that swell, For we all had a foot in heaven and a foot in HELL! We curse loud, our parents far away, Yet we pray silently at night,that tommorow will be OK! At night, the FNG`s can be heard to weep, Any wonder I had problems falling asleep!
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 05:26:31 (MDT)

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Anybody up! Hey Mark can you bring some popo a top shirts to the outing in Kokomo? I wear Xlarge. I am still a chub Heeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Well its 3 am and the coffee is ready see ya later.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, Az USA - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 04:07:42 (MDT)

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Australians also eat burgers that way.With an egg on it is still their favorite
alvis
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 22:19:52 (MDT)

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Fred how about Swiss or guyure is that how you spell it. Those are good cheese. Are you coming to the Kokomo?
Rick England
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 19:31:46 (MDT)

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Rick, Merci beaucoup,tu peux traduire pour moi? Tu as le choix, tu choisis. Une aide. That`s a French lesson. When you get old and retired like me and don`t have a life, you just sit around the house and think. It was just food for thought. Bulldog Burger got to have American cheese on it. You da man Rick.
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 18:21:58 (MDT)

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I called Mark an he was busy I forgot it was lunch time. He said he would call later. Its 3 hrs diffrent
Rick England
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 14:54:18 (MDT)

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Where is Mark? Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 14:19:21 (MDT)

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Thanks Fred for the french lesson but here we call it the Bulldog burger. Maybe Mark should put that on his menu at the Pop a top.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 13:34:11 (MDT)

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Fellas, The egg on top of the hamburgers is a very French thing, it`s very common just about anywhere you go in Europe at a regular restaurant. Of course Micky D`s or Burger King don`t do it. But guess who was in Nam before us. Michelin Rubber Company, remember the plantations in Ban-Me-Thuot. The Dutch and Flemish and Walloons do the same thing. Your cultural lesson for today.
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 12:27:59 (MDT)

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Thanks Donnie and Rick. I appreciate the info on the oak leaf clusters etc. I would have gotten back to you sooner, but a little thing called work keeps getting in the way. I don't have a Puter at home and I need to keep a low profile here at the Yellow Box. Hope everyone has a good time at Kokomo and have one or two of those EGG-A-Burgers and 8 or 9 beers for me... Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 10:54:27 (MDT)

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v.a. admin SUCKS!!!!the scroundrels will do anything to protect their pockets.the heck with the veteran.I too,would love to have a talk with rays doctor,if, he or she,speaks english and isnt just out of jail. I am trying to be off for kokomo.
alvis
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 10:48:38 (MDT)

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Hey, That would be great would'nt it Rick!? Gale
Gale
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 08:34:33 (MDT)

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Maybe if you show we can make some of thise special burgers. Can't wait need to get out here for a while.
Rick England
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 08:25:06 (MDT)

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Yeh Rick, I remember those hamurger & egg sandwiches ( lots of Mayo ) at the NCO club. Had quite a few of them and always washed'em down with a brewskie or two ( alright maybe 5 or 6 ) while the jukebox was playing "The Dock of the Bay". Don't know yet about Kokomo. Gale
Gale Beard 67-68 <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 08:13:56 (MDT)

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Ray it shouldn't matter which ones the orders and the award will read that you flew under combat I forget the exact words. You will have to get form. I will try and send it.I will bc you. Be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 08:05:58 (MDT)

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hello to all Brothers and sisters to allo frist thanks for answerd but how do i tell what ones are comabt just caught up in red tape for Iknowwewent in to Hot LZs nany time so what do I do thanks to all always a brother Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street , MD USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 07:05:36 (MDT)

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Those numbers of oak leaf clusters. Donnie your right with the 50 and 25, but it depended of the Battlion HQ SOP. Some were more hours and some had other requirments. *****************This is the site where you can get your records and medals http://members.aol.com/forvets/htomr.htm You have to have Acorbat and download the form. ********* Judith road kill and brussels spruots that sounds goooooooooood. No C's I like bone chicken or beans and wennies. Heeeeeeeeeeeee In 68 at NCO club they had hamburgers w/a fried egg on it.***************Alex it would be great to see you and your six there. I talked with Ray on the phone last nite like Robbie, that Doctor shouldn't have told Ray that thats up to admin. to say he didn't. How else do you get an Air medal even if your another mos. I like to get hold of that Dr. I had a bad day yesturday SORRY but this VA thing I called it the VA trauma. Well I am just getting worked up again be careful out there. Always a brother.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, Az USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 06:50:33 (MDT)

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hi robbie flew as a chrewchief bulldog682 from aug 71 til jul 72. in respons to your question, an airmedal is awarded for every 50 hrs of flight time during normal flight and every 25 hrs of combat or night. now your first question is then why on 15 for you, becuause the guys keeping track could not keep up with our hours. i have 50 airmedals and flew in nam 1st with the 92nd ahc from aug 69-apr 71 and then with the 129th from aug 71 til jul 72. hope this helps if you did not fly you didnot receive a airmedal. but you did not have to a member of a flight crew, grunts, medics, anyone who could document 50 hrs of normal or 25 of combat time.
donnie r. purvis <drpurvis1@yahoo.com>
lexington, nc USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 06:11:06 (MDT)

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Flight, I was talking with Ray last night on the phone and he needs to prove that he was flying in Vietnam and apparently they don't think receiving an Air Medal is enough by itself. I looked at the orders i have and his name is on one but again just for the Air Medal. We both have orders that say Air Medal with so many awards. His say 2nd through 15th awards, and mine says 2nd through 18th awards. Can someone tell me what this actually means. Is it for so many missions flown, or so many hours flown or what? Maybe this will prove that he flew in Vietnam. Thanks, Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 05:44:29 (MDT)

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Alvis-no Kokomo??? You're so-o close! Ron Coppersmith is cooking dinner Saturday night: road kill and brussel sprouts. Always a sister-always-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Milwaukee, USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 14:01:09 (MDT)

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hello brother sand sisters Yes Iam proud ok kriss for when Gail cant take me she is always there I guess I never talked much to her about it should have Kriss when Dakota comes and we go toDrs he know we get Icream and he plays slingo he loves the game so I thank u all foranswering herfor she is a grate daughter and had a wonderful hubby and to nice boys one is 3.5 years thats Dakota Alec just turned 1 and walks so good I think Iam going well now cuseof you all for that I thank you always a brother Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 13:02:05 (MDT)

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dont u worry about the spelling Ray.I cant spell eitherU just keep up the hard and good work u been doing toward recovery.Short term memory?Hell,i cant even remember what that is, chuckling.Your doing great,keep on keeping on brother. I thought about taking the russian sks, thats at pop a top, to Kokomo,for brothers to see. Thought about it for a while,decided no.Many good resons to take it but more reasons not to. If work gives me the time off.Managers of Lowes arent vets so there caring hearts just arent there.I think the only ones that understand are other Nam vets and older vets. Jim W. u doing ok buddy?dang, i need to get out to see u. hey,the U.S. nationals for drag racing are here this next weekend.Live one mile from it.I have the space if anyone needs to chrash to save money. thats true for kokomo also,its about 60 miles away.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 10:18:30 (MDT)

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Flight: Sorry it's been a while. Working long hours at the Zone!! To much turn over and no experience. So I get stuck with the shit!! details. But, I am down to 55 hours a week. Good to see all the como. Ray!! hope you get the treatment you need. Would like to see you and your family in Atlanta. Your home here with your 129th Brothers. And Sister didn't forget you Gently!! Looks like a good crowd heading for the big K. Don't know if I can get the time off. Missed seeing alot of you at LZ Phoenix. Our 129th family keeps on growing. Well take care my Brothers and Sisters. Always A Brother!!! Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 07:26:52 (MDT)

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Ray-we find great comfort in your daughter being there for you. Please have her keep us abreast of what is going on. And remember every day, every day, that you have friends who care about you, and that we are here for you. And Vinne, thank you for seeing a need and responding to it-your wings are showing! Ron Coppersmith will be cooking Saturday night dinner in Kokomo!!! What a guy! And it looks like Skyking may be joining us. Everyone enjoy the Labor Day holiday-but be safe-and drive carefully. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 07:02:24 (MDT)

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HI sorry for spelling ;-)
Ray gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 06:24:00 (MDT)

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Toall my brotjerd and sisted I do feel a bit better thanks to you all the shrink helper (wont even try to whats hes called Please if any one sends EMail please put 129thok I miss a lot of mail perhaps delead lots of sorry if I did I never ever been to a sight like thhis where all reach out to help Iam sure I one day I will be able to reach out cant tell ya how this sight has helped so many loving nd caring people One dayI will give back like you all helped me the shrin says going to take a while and I never get my short term memory back its gone cause of the stess bur hes going to help sorry if I say things more than once well My daughter is comming to take me to shrink helper I tryed speeling the word but spel chech with so many I had no clue what one was right so I thank you all for I never would have got thhis far and a thanks to vinnie who got me this sight and talked me in to going to the VA well I went one enough always a brother Ray God bless you all
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol>com>
street, MD USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 06:21:31 (MDT)

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Ray Gagner, how you doing Brother? Lots of commo about you in the Flight Log man. You've become a celebrity. Are you getting the drugs you need to keep on the straight and narrow? I sure hope so. I know a lot of people have sent you information that i just don't have access to. I don't know much about the VA, because i have never been involved with them in a health capacity for any reason. I wish i could help you more Ray, but i think that you are getting the best information about this from the people that know. I would like to thank everyone that has sent information trying to help Ray. Love you all , Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 05:57:12 (MDT)

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Rick England; That was a real nice, my friend
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 20:58:52 (MDT)

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DOWNTOWN FREDDIE BROWN, MY BROTHER, Yea week up in the woods in Michigan, sounds great. 3 ole 129th Brothers doin it one mo time. I`ll give you a call in a couple days. Atlas movers have been in the house all day, they went thru our stuff like we stole something. They count everything. Kim worked from the house today on the puter, so I couldn`t use it much. Me and you and Gary and along come mary.
Freddie Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 20:54:44 (MDT)

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Rick England.....for your poet friend. BROVO!
Fred Brown <FJBuffalo@Yahoo.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 17:49:58 (MDT)

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This is a poem a good friend of mine who was in 101st. Some of you might have met him at the reunion.*************************** > SHES A GOOD OLD GIRL!(TRIBUTE TO A HUEY) > By Swashplate > > In the Revolutionary War, peaceful things were used for WAR, > Iron and steel farming tools were fashioned into weapons,soldiers out the > door. > Simple people,civilian soldiers fighting for liberty and > freedom,duty calls, > Risking their lives for a cause,Bloodied ground ,the Patriots falls! > > > From the sweating hands of the American people,a war birds birth, > From our very own sacred soils, metals are formed, essence of Earth. > Bent and formed by craftmans hands,she takes on a grand look, > A look of a warbird,an avenger of the weak, a weapon blessed by the good > BOOK! > > > Young patriots are trained to maintain and fly, > Many will go to war with her, many would die! > For years she would bring the WAR to the enemy horde, > She would also bring supplies and mail,and the wounded aboard! > > > She saved lives and took them too, > She would show her wear and tear,when the fighting was through. > But she would bounce back,on a mission of her own, > Bringing back her crew and packs, takeing them home, without a moan. > > > After WAR she served us well, > Saveing lives and going through hell. > All ways faceing the scrapmans axe, > Something better on the way,to replace her,giving her no slack! > > > In some boneyard far away, grass growing under her skid, > Is a HUEY,history has pasted her by,awaiting a bid! > Oh! Just to be able to give her a home,if I could, > Something a good crewmember should! > > > I will NEVER forget you, Your cabin, spirit filled, > Of my bravest of the brave brothers who flew you were killed. > I promise,Ole Girl, Till the day I die, > For I will never forget! The UH-1 flying in that bright blue sky! > > > > >
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, Az USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 07:38:33 (MDT)

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ABOUT 4 MONTHS A GO I MET A MAN RAY GAGNER SOMEONE TOLD ME A NAM BROTHER NEEDED HELP WE TALKED AND WHEN I WENT TO THE 27TH COMBAT ENGS REUION I WENT UP TO SEE RAY I SEEN WHAT NAM DID TO HIM. I KNOW WHAT NAM DID TO ME.WE BECAME VERRY CLOSE. HE NEEDS HIS BUDDYS TO E- MAIL HIM HIS ADDRESS IS STILWATING@AOL.COM IF YOU KNEW RAY IN NAM IF YOU COULD WRIGHT A LETTER FOR HIM TO GIVE THE V.A THAT WOULD BE GREAT THE V.A IS PLAYING WITH HIM I WORKED OUT OF CAMP EAGLE I WAS A COMBAT ENGINEENER. WE MADE A ROAD TO THE A SHUE VALLEY FOR THE MEN OF THE 101st. ONE MORE THING YOU MEN THAT WORKED THEM BIRD WERE THE BEST MY FRIEND JOE WENT TO THE 240TH HE WAS A DOOR GUNNER FOR A YEAR AND A HALF THEY NAMED HIM RAGMAN AFTER A CO. 27TH
vinny alestra <ACO27THCOMBATENG@AOL.COM>
PALM HARBOR, FL USA - Monday, August 26, 2002 at 22:43:54 (MDT)

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Hwllo brothers and sisters things looking up I seee nt shink helper cant spel what he realy is but he says same hing PSTD but he dond see in my DD214 if I flew at all he seem ws a Airmetal says no deviceson it If any one oy you could denda letterthat I flew with olease do I do feel better he said I never get short term memory back and dont se me working But taking all your advice He lso told meto kep a log book and when I cant sleep wrte in Itwell I been doing that I wrote somethig and sent to Gentry and rick she said shewill passit on you all are helping me now and Iam listing so I will make it thanks Ray a brother alway Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
stree , MD USA - Monday, August 26, 2002 at 18:43:50 (MDT)

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Kris - You asked about Army Crewmember Flight Wings for your Father. Request a catalogue from Hovers Mfg. Co. 4133 Progress Blvd. P.O. Box 547, Peru, Illinois 61354-0547. The catalogue I have list them on page 16, item no, 16002. For the rest of the crew out there, this Company has a good selection of Military pins, patches & accessories, good stuff at reasonable prices. Sorry nothing for the 129th but they will do coustom work but its expensive. Got to go for now, take care. CLEAR!! Frank
Frank Loveday <bluecobra@dav.net.>
Bastrop, La USA - Monday, August 26, 2002 at 15:54:37 (MDT)

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I wanted to thank everyone for all the help they have given to my dad. Also thank you for the websites for agent orange. They were helpful. Thanks again Kris
kris <clue4blue@hotmail.com>
baltimore, md USA - Monday, August 26, 2002 at 07:05:13 (MDT)

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Kathrine I look forward to meeting you at Kokomo. It will be my first time. Be careful out there. Bull Dog 431 The Iron Butterfly
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, Az USA - Monday, August 26, 2002 at 06:04:47 (MDT)

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Good morning everyone. I watched for the first time last night "We were soldiers..." I would like to say what is in my heart and mind but there are so many emotions there right now that it would come out all jumbled up. I would like to say Thank You for being there. I am truly sorry for all that anyone had to endure while there. I wear Michael Shanely on my wrist and I could feel him more last night than I have in a while. I don't know why but Viet Vets have a special place in my heart. I just feel like crying every time I think of the hardships you had to endure while there. I don't have any more for now. I will be in Kokomo and hope to stop by the tent. It was very hard for me last year but I will be there this year and hopefully won't cry the whole time like I did last year. See you then. Gently we need to make plans to meet. Welcome home and Thanks for all.
Katharine Marsee <fricabeunme@aol.com>
Elizabethtown, KY USA - Monday, August 26, 2002 at 05:57:02 (MDT)

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FRED SCAGGS-------I AM NOT SHURE WHAT THEY GAVE US FOR MALERIA WAY BACK IN THE 60'S BUT IF YOU ARE GOING INTO THE INFECTIOUS AREAS NOW TAKE; "DOXYCYCLINE" OR "MALARONE--TM"------------- JOE
JOE JOHNSON <cobra073@yahoo.com>
USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002 at 01:56:07 (MDT)

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HEY BROTHERS, IT'S LATE AT NIGHT AND I WAS JUST SURFING THE NET AND FOR SOME REASON THOUGHT ABOUT NAM. IT MIGHT JUST BE BECAUSE ONE OF THE GUY'S AT WORK IS RETIREING AND WE HAD HIS DINNER TONIGHT. ANYHOW I SERVED IN FIRST FLIGHT IN 71&72 AND WAS MEDIVACED OUT TO THE STATES AFTER 8 MONTHS. I STAYED IN THE ARMY(AVIATION) AND RETIRED IN 91 AND STARTED WORKING ON THE UH-1 FLIGHT SIMULATOR UNTIL IT CLOSED AND I STILL WORK ON THE BLACKHAWK SIMULATOR AT HUNTER ARMY AIRFIELD. I WILL BE TAKING A VAC. WELL NEEDED I JUST LOST MY WIFE IN MAY, AND AM ON MY WAY TO NOTHERN OHIO PLAY A BIT IN LAKE ERIE. YOU GUYS TAKE CARE, ONE SHOT OF ROTOR WASH LAST A LIFETIME.
JAMES (JIM) OLIVER <OLIVER_31683@HOTMAIL.COM>
PEMBROKE, GA USA - Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 20:53:32 (MDT)

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Happy Saturday everyone. I was in Billings this morning and stopped at one of the Wal-Marts there. They had a couple of those Vietnam Tribute throws, so I bought what they had. If anyone wants one, email me and we'll come up with a price. Ray, none of our biz but I totally agree - you gotta trust somebody, so pick a place and start. Our prayers are with you and Gail each and every day. Jamie DeBates
Jamie DeBates <rebate@mcn.net>
Big Timber, MT USA - Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 17:00:36 (MDT)

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for a dang good,true, story about helicopters,crews,and what we gave go to http://www.screamingeagle.org/ripcord.html
alvis
USA - Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 16:36:57 (MDT)

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Morning Flight, I`m diggin through books tryin to find what the hell they gave us in Nam for malaria(sp). I had to go to "anger management" classes, because I got pissed-off at the way the Job was messin with our insurance benefits. I was a Union Rep and just lost it one day in a meeting. My mother use to ask me," Where did you get that nasty temper,you wasn`t like that before Nam. Of course now my mother is retired from the " bar business" she own for 38 years. They "the gov't" messes with her about SS. They are always saying she didn`t pay her taxes, that she hide money. She understands now. Not to jump on the soap-box here. But we the " baby boomers" have the biggest population of the voting block, if we all vote together, we got some power. I truly believe that in Nam, WE WERE GIVING YOUNG PEOPLE, NOW THAT WE`RE OLDER WE`RE GONNA HAVE TO BE TAKERS, If no one is gonna us anything at the VA, we pool our voting block and take it. That`s our Right. Maybe the ghost of Abbie Hoffman came to see me last night, or maybe to much expresso this morning. But, honestly THINK ABOUT IT. I`ve stopped making aplogies for the way I think.
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 08:14:06 (MDT)

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Hello Brorhers and sisters I thank you for all your suport take care and be safe Abrother to you all always Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 07:59:52 (MDT)

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The malaria pills we were given in 67-68 were "Cloroquin-primaquin" That may be spelled wrong.
Ted Buisker <Skyking@stateline-isp.com>
Davis, IL. USA - Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 07:54:54 (MDT)

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Ray, These decisions have to be made by you, your family and your Dr's. We all wish that we could help more. We all love and support ya, but,our opinions are not worth 2 cents when it comes to your health.It just seems that at some point you have to trust someone in order to get thru this. God Bless you brother and I'm sure things will be better. Fred, I love all those reasons....where do you come up with all this "stuff"?! Anyone know what kind of Malaria pills we were given in Nam? It must have been a weaker dose than the Ft Bragg vets......there were times I wanted to kill my "wives", but, I just divorced both of them them. Well Gently, before you say anything...they actually divorced me! It was still probably due to the Malaria pills though, what else could it be. ;) As Rick says "Heeeeeeeeeee". Ya all have a great weekend & take care! Gale
Gale Beard 67-68 <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 07:19:59 (MDT)

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ray, i might be out of line here,but man,u got to trust ur doctors.I DO NOT know enough about health issues,medicine,recovery , or treatments.Ray,if u dont except there help,will u ever get better? some days bro,u gotts take a chance.god bless u man,and take care
alvis
USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 22:54:42 (MDT)

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great reasons for being a man as follows
fred alvis
USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 22:46:16 (MDT)

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: Your ass is never a factor in a job interview. Your orgasms are real. Always. Your last name stays put. You never feel compelled to stop a friend from getting laid. Hot wax never comes near your pubic area. The garage is all yours. Wedding plans take care of themselves. Chocolate is just another snack. You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park. Car mechanics tell you the truth. You don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your new haircut. If you retain water, it's in a canteen. Porn movies are designed with you in mind. You can open all your own jars. You never have to drive to another gas station because this ones just too icky. Wrinkles add character. Wedding Dress $5,000; Tux rental $100. People never stare at your chest when you're talking to them. New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet. One mood, ALL the damn time. Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat. A five-day vacation requires only one suitcase. You can leave the motel bed unmade. You can kill your own food. You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness. If someone forgets to invite you to something, he or she can still be your friend. Your underwear is $8.95 for a three-pack. You can quietly enjoy a car ride from the passenger seat. Three pairs of shoes are more than enough. You can quietly watch a game with your buddy for hours without ever thinking: "He must be mad at me." You can drop by to see a friend without having to bring a little gift. If another guy shows up at the party in the same outfit, you just might become lifelong friends. You are not expected to know the names of more than five colors. You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt. You almost never have strap problems in public. You are unable to see wrinkles in your clothes. The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades. You don't have to shave below your neck. One wallet and one pair of shoes, one color, all seasons. You can do your nails with a pocketknife. You have freedom of choice concerning growing a mustache. Christmas shopping can be accomplished for 25 relatives, December 24th, in 45 minutes. The world is your urinal.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 22:44:31 (MDT)

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Hello Brothers and sisters just asking your im put the man who wors wit the shrink was me to be hiptmyinizes I dont trust pepole In side my hear and then I dont rember what to u all think just looking for advice have nothing to hide just like feels I needed just looking for advice I kow I am mixed up just dont like being in that state thanks Ray all comens are welcome thanks
Ray Gagner <stilwatig@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 14:42:53 (MDT)

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Ray don't mean a thing brother. Alex you have to stay out of those kind of bunkers. Hope you win enough to retire. Be careful out there
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 14:05:44 (MDT)

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Flight: Good seeing all the commo. And welcome back Frenchie!! Been working alot hear lately. But, hopefully it will slow. Had to get a MRI for my shoulder. Wrong Thing to do. As I was laying there peacefully, then all hell broke lose. I thought I was under fire, the way the loud crashing sounds that this machine puts out. I got out and told the nurse don't want no more of that. She told me that most Nam vets can't take the MRI's because of the noise. I thanked her for letting me know! It took 3 days to get my blood pressure back to normal. Going to meet Rainer and his wife at the Grand Casino in Tunica,Mississippi. Hope to get some pocket change. You All take care. Always A Brother Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 13:50:41 (MDT)

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Ray-it's OK. Please don't misunderstand if someone disagrees with you, as it is your right to speak freely, it is also theirs. I read the stories you emailed me and all I can say is, who knows. Nothing surprises me anymore, but I pray they are not true. Speaking of free speech, Ted, my friend, you weirdo ;>) Rush?!!! :>)) See you in New Glarus in January. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 11:44:01 (MDT)

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Ray, my friend, You didn`t hurt nobody. Don`t worry about what your opinion is, That`s you right. You earn that right a long time ago. It`s called "paying forward".
Freddie
USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 10:42:29 (MDT)

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to all I never ment to be political just was venting I guess ment no harm But we are losing our righrs fast so I will keep to my selk sorry
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
srteet, MD USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 09:47:39 (MDT)

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Good Morning Flight, Ray Gagner no problem my friend, I embrace what you are saying. I enjoy the notes you pass along. Being on this web-site for almost a year now and I`ve probably ruffled a few feathers. But since then, I`ve kept my commo lite and humorous. I try not to be political, but there is three things I`ve always done in life; NO.1 Question Authority, just because someone is in a leadership role does not mean they are right. NO.2 Exercise Your Rights, I`ve heard the left wing and the right wing both say," We`re losing our rights", if you don`t use them Damn Right you`re gonna loose your rights.We as people and have a tendency to get" fat and comfortable "( just a figure of speech) and if the problem don`t pertain to them personally. It`s someone else`s problem. Believe me, the ole trickle down effect will work. It will catch you. NO.3 VOTE, VOTE, VOTE it`s a sad statement when only 35% of the population of this country vote. If you don`t vote, don`t complain. That`s another right that we as a country don`t exercise. I truly believe you have to Stand and Deliver.
Fred Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 08:50:35 (MDT)

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Ted, No offense,but,I don't need Rush to tell me what or how to think. As for his ratings...there must be alot of people out there that are in need of his rantings. I have tried to listen to him, but, all it boils down to (in my opinion) is that he tries to divide the forces. To each his own! Ted...that's all I have to say on this matter. I don't want to use our site for a political debate. Take care brother. Gale
Gale Beard 67-68 <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 07:44:45 (MDT)

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Hello I sent some you e mail on some thing I truly hoeI dont ofend any one for I care much for u all but it how i realy feel hope uo domt mine ones i didnt seng that I know sorry if forgot If mark feels it good to send you or post it here one thing u must know I will nevr li to any of you I thanh u for all the suport I got from all of you I thankk uso much take care brothers & sistere Ray
Ray <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 07:17:35 (MDT)

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Off line for several days, and just catching up on the commo. Noticed the comments about Rush Limbaugh. There is no stronger veterans supporter anywhere than Rush. He's noisey and opinionated, but I find myself agreeing with him about 75% of the time. Unless you listen regularly, you may not take his commentaries the way they are intended. There is a reason he is the most listened to talk radio show ever. Listening to Rush makes you THINK, and some people are not comfortable with that.
Ted Buisker <Skyking@stateline-isp.com>
Davis, IL. USA - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 22:52:49 (MDT)

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Good evening, Flight. Rick "Rebel" Smith wishes to thank all who sent cards and wishes to him since his heart attack. He's on the mend at home now. Thanks to all, and especially to Poppasan!
Dave Powers <powers@montrose.net>
Montrose, Colorado USA - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 22:05:55 (MDT)

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Frenchie the reunion is in Atlanta and the other is in Kokomo Ind.
Rick Englad
USA - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 13:41:12 (MDT)

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Howdy troops, The Air force and I didn’t see eye to eye on a couple of different things. There were to many of them working together, and just me trying to fight the good fight for more than 3 years. They finely wore me down and I decided that it was to much pain to handle at the time. Let them eat cake. Hey, did I miss something last thing I remember we were going to Atlanta for the reunion , now it’s Florida? Ron Buddy, need to know if you have any more of those Cool T-shirts. Maybe in fat boy size X-large? By the way the info, and new E-Mail is; 310 Bryson Dr Savannah Ga 31410 Tele; (912) 897-1778 and Fren6222@bellsouth.net Any one that need a place to stay on there way to Florida, or are swinging by the AO let's get togeather. Tell some stories drink some beer. OK? see ya in the funny papers. Take care my Brothers... Outside guns go HOT. Frenchie
Bill French <fren6222@bellsouth.net>
Savannah , Ga USA - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 07:12:34 (MDT)

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Good morning Flight,wish I could be a "silent" member :>)). Bill French, welcome back. I'm not going to assume that you know diabetes can be Agent Orange related. For information on it and PTSD go to www.vva.org. It's the national website for Vietnam Veterans of America. You can also keep abreast of legislation that pertains to you Nam Veterans. From there you can link up to other sites that also offer information. Other than that I'm thinking Kokomo:got my passes, hotel room, and money for patches. pins, etc! Looking forward to seeing Mark and Dee(where are you Mark?), Rick England, Ron Paye, T.J. and Mr. Rohme! Smiling, smiling, smiling. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 07:11:11 (MDT)

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If anybody wants PTSD Info bc me and I will mail it out. Be sure to send snail mail addy.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 06:55:49 (MDT)

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GOOD DAY TO ALL, IF ANY OF THE GUYS IS SENT THE ARTICAL ON P.T.S.D. ARE ABLE TO POST IT ON THIS SIGHT IT MAY BE VERY HELPFUL TO THOES WHO SUFFER FROM THE SYMTOMS, IT IS ALSO A VERY GOOD AID FOR V.A. CLAIMS.(IT TELLS YOU WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR) I WISH IS HAD POSTED IT WHEN I WAS IN THE STATES, I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME AND I AM IN CAMBODIA NOW AND WONT BE RETURNING FOR SIX MONTHS OR MORE.---------------BEST REGARDS JOE
Joe JOHNSON <cobra073@yahoo.com>
USA - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 00:47:42 (MDT)

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Frenchie good to hear from again. Sorry to hear your feeling so good you take care of your self. Are you still the Air Force? You be careful out there.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, Az USA - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 19:37:02 (MDT)

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Hi 129th, Well I’m settled back in Savannah Ga. Have been reading along with the rest of the silent majority. Rick, how ya doing buddy? Sounds like you and the VA have a understanding. I have been fighting them since 89. I have a paper trail that is long. I was in Egypt and when I came back I lost 20 lbs. in 2 weeks Chills/Fever couldn’t keep anything down. Ended up in the hospital the day before Xmas Trying to get some fluids back into me. They sent blood/stole/urine samples to Decease Control Center in Atlanta. They never did figure out what the hell it was. My white blood cell count is still high. Seems that I have Diabetes late onset. Spent days trying to remember dates and all the other Questions that are on the VA forms. Been thinking a lot about my time over there.(68 Mar/69. Anyone out there. Hello? Hi Mark... Frenchie
Bill French <fren6222@bellsouth.net>
Savannah, Ga USA - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 16:48:23 (MDT)

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Hi everyone! I am stilwaitin's daughter and I would like to thank you for everything that you have done for him. Having you to talk to certainly has helped him a lot. Also I want to thank you for what you did for our country, you certainly did not get enough recognition for you efforts. If anyone has more information of the symptoms of agent orange please email me. My address is clue4blue@hotmail.com. Please state in the subject that you are from the flight log of the 129th. Does anyone know how to get the flight wings-- I want to surprise my dad with them for christmas. Thanks again for all your support, I really apprietiate what you have done for him. Thanks Kris clue4blue@hotmail.com
kris <clue4blue@hotmail.com>
baltimore, md USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 18:53:14 (MDT)

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Flight, Look at all the commo, Little story here, back in high school, I use to go to a place called ValleyDale Ballroom. It really was a ballroom at one time so that is no "pun". But I went to see The Brooklyn Bridge( What Are We Going To Do About Your Husband, and What Are We Going To Do About Your Wife) remember that song? There was a group opening up for them called The Last Herd, from Detroit,Mich. In that band was a young guitar player and lead singer named Bob Seger. Brooklyn Bridge got blowed off the stage that night. You got to imagine a Young Bob Seger and the energy at that time and period. Just flat out Killer Rock and Roll. I paid a $1.50 cover charge that night. Not to brag, but I went to Jr. High with Joe Walsh, Crestview Jr. High in Columbus,Ohio. Joe moved to Cleveland,Ohio after 9th grade. He started a band called The James Gang and the rest is history. He now plays with a little group called The Eagles. When The Eagles came to Columbus,Ohio in 95, Joe Walsh wore a Crestview Jr. High tee-shirt. Brothers you`re talkin music, I`m in my element.
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 14:47:31 (MDT)

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Matt, thanks for getting back to me about the stickers. No big deal, just thought if you had some left i would get a couple. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 11:01:39 (MDT)

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Hi Robbie, It looks as if I sent the last few to Mark, I thought I had a few more stashed away, but when I went to look for them, I found none. My financial state prevents me from reordering more, although, if some one else can pick up the ball I still have the info for reordering more, and I was recently in touch with them to help someone else out to order some for their unit. Wish I could do more. Tails Clear Left Casey P.S. this e-mail address is the best one for me.
Matt Casey <mcasey@4pcb.com>
Aurora, CO USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 09:13:08 (MDT)

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Rick, You are right and I'm sorry for sounding off like a jerk, but, Rush has never been one of my favorites. I just read it and surprisingly, his point of view is right on! Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 08:33:19 (MDT)

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Rick, I can Roger what you're saying. I'll take a peek at the site. Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 08:17:57 (MDT)

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I agree with you Gale, but this made sense to me. I never really like what he had to say. Not only this article, but ather info on this page about the VA hospital closures and helping other Vets are availble here.********************************************** I remember the Brooklyn Bridge I seen him on a doo wap groups thing on PBS. I like the Brooklyn Bridge band when they were popular back in the late 60's.
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 08:11:30 (MDT)

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Rick, With all due respect ole buddy.......I won't listen to anything Rush Limbaugh has to say. Of course, that's my own personal decision. Flight, still trying to get a response from Les Cauchi (129th bro.66-67) that sings with "The Brooklyn Bridge" doo wop band. Anyone remember him? Gale
Gale Beard <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 07:46:45 (MDT)

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http://www.kitchentablegang.org ) This has some info on VA hospitals and a commntary from Ruch Limbaugh which is very good about the 9/11 victims compared to the Vets. Please check it out. Maybe some of you are familiar with this already.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 06:58:23 (MDT)

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Alex Fernwalt. I was going through my file cabinet looking for the instructions on how to program a number into my phone, and found some Army documents i thought i had lost. One of them being my discharge certificate. So i have found orders for Aircraft Crewman's Badges with me, Curt Frank, Ray Gagner, Steve Hargrave, Bud Rainey, Ray Smiley, Frankie Wheeler, Bill WOlf and Larry Jackson. All 37 of which have the Social Security #'s next to them. Also found another for Air Medal, and another pertaining to Flight status. ... So probably 50 or so names and Soc #'s. I will email them to you as soon as i can get them scanned. Robbie.
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 11:33:59 (MDT)

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Hello my all my brothers and sisters frist want to thank you all for the help I feel good out side but still mixed up I hope you all dont mind but there ia a man not from the 129th but hes like a brother to me so I sent him this sight for if not for him I never would have found any of you like I said hes the one who got me to go to VA screen name is Aco27thcombatEng@aol.com I thank you allw foe being here you all brothers to u all OH Robbie ( Loyed ) dont for get to send new address ok If u E Mai like always put buldog 265 thanks to u all
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street , md USA - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 10:10:11 (MDT)

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Alvis Thank you for sharing that poem with us. Be careful out there
Rick England <bd431@mondspring.com>
Wittmann, AZ USA - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 08:24:58 (MDT)

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Good morning, Flight. I received news yesterday morning that Rick "Rebel" Smith (129th Class of 1971-1972)has had a heart attack, and is in Palm Beach Gardens ICU. I talked with Rick's wife Barb, and she said it was a close one for him. He'll probably be there for a few days, then will be going home. She also said if you'd like to mail a card, just mail it to their home: 6782 Lakeside Road, West Palm Beach, FL 33411-2620. Your thoughts and prayers are appreciated. Thanks!
Dave Powers <powers@montrose.net>
Montrose, Colorado USA - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 07:27:05 (MDT)

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What an especially wonderful 129th site to read today! Ray, you sound much better-we are here. Curt-there are no words other than
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 07:23:58 (MDT)

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The soldier stood and faced God Which must always come to pass. He hoped his shoes were shining Just as brightly as his brass. Step forward now, you soldier, how shall I deal with you? Have you always turned the other cheek? To My Church have you been true? The soldier squared his shoulders And said, No Lord, I guess I ain't Because those of us who carry guns Can't always be a saint I've had to work most Sundays, And at times my talk was tough; And sometimes I've been violent, Because the world is awfully rough. But, I never took a penny That wasn't mine to keep... Though I worked a lot of overtime When the bills just got too steep. And I never passed a cry for help; Though at times I shook with fear. And sometimes, God forgive me, I've wept unmanly tears. I know I don't deserve a place, Among the people here. They never wanted me around Except to calm their fear. If you've a place for me here, Lord, It needn't be so grand. I never expected or had too much; But if not, I'll understand. There was a silence all around the throne Where the saints had often trod. As the soldier waited quietly For the judgment of the Lord. Step forward now, you soldier, You've borne your burdens well. Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets; for ..... You've done your time in Hell.
alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 21:10:47 (MDT)

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would anybody be interested in earning a residual income? its free to join no recruiting no explaining check it out above thankyou
teresa cimino <sunshine_33nsw@yahoo.com>
central coast , nsw australia - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 18:14:56 (MDT)

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Hello brothers and sisters I tell ya it was so good to hear from frank I sent him a pic of him hope he got it curtis or any who sends Me E mail please put from the 129th I get that I get confused and deleat Curtis I was so good to talk to u on phone made me feel so good like when I talk to loyed robbieand Mark ant others it dose me good I enjoy it so much thanks for all your help with out all of you i not be wherre Iam now I do stress out but doing better thanks to uall take care brothers and sisters Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street , MD USA - Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 10:05:35 (MDT)

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First of all I didn't know Freddie ever got up this early. Is ther a beer fest in Raleigh today? I am really here to welcome Curt Frank home. Curt, you were one of the GIBs that broke me in as a new Peter P. Couldn't have asked for anyone better. Welcome Home! This site is a great way to remember both good and bad times. It is also how I found the ever faithful Freddie plus many others after 30 plus years. Freddie, you were saying something about the infamous CS mess with Jobe and crew. I got a really special E-mail from him not so long ago thanking me for insisting he tke my gas mask that morning since his was inop. I never did get it back! When are you going to move to the land of the rude, I mean French? Still need to get together before you go. I am at hospital so have to get back to work.
jeff sauers <cats3@adelphia.net>
lake norman, nc USA - Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 08:21:55 (MDT)

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Flight,It`s great morning today. Checked my e-mail and " there it is". A e-mail from Curt Frank. Sure made me feel better. Ray Gagner, Thank you, my friend, for calling Curt and gettin his memory together. I got more to say to you Ray, but in private. The 129th has some Brothers up in Maryland or DC area, that maybe could "reach out" for you. Sometimes it`s a shock when people come back into your life after 32 years. Some brothers just have to sit back and think in retrospect. In any case " WELCOME HOME CURT FRANK", I`m so glad you`re here now.
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, Nc USA - Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 06:46:15 (MDT)

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Hello to all my brothers and sisters once again sleep has left my body so I come here to say hello I spoke to Curtis last night It was so good to Talk to him he sounds so good I sent him a pic of Him and smilely and of me so good I hope he got it was taken over 30 years ago welll I just came to tell u all hi If I had to answer his ?? on who drank the most beer I have to Say Larry and curtis ;_) I wasso goodtotalk to Curtis even thougt I could get is E Mail I had to call back and have them send me mail s I could put in address book well you all take care and thanks for the help love u all as brothers and sisters Ray curtis
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 02:07:17 (MDT)

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Who logged the most hours in the 129th over the time period of June 1969 to September 1970? This is to you Ray and Fred. Guess Who. What was the most popular beer over there? How did you spend your rations cigarrettes, beer, or women? Let me know. Give me Freds email address please. Thank you. Just got done with a big steak and a six pack of bud light. Oh! forgot to mention my wife Breanda, a wonderful women (and his lovely daughter Julie, who is typing all of this for him.) Talk to you all soon! Wish you well.
Curt Frank <cfrank@prairie.lakes.com>
Fairfax, MN USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 23:46:36 (MDT)

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Hello Rick would u re send letters dont rember if I gotit today was not good for I was so mixed up sorry rick I try to not to deleat Pleasein sub put 129th sprry day was not good mixed up wifes eng went up but hadfor 20 years lol well thanks for letting me vent love you all thanks to uou all I be ok in tim Ray
Ray Gagner <Stilwating@aol.com>
street, md USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 14:23:16 (MDT)

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Robbie I sent Ray couple letters and a few other things. Thanks Judith for the Hotel info.
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:46:33 (MDT)

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hello toall brothers and sisters haveing a bad understanding not sureif this ras rite I send to gentry just mixed uo today so I sent toall hope she is not mad tryed to send whatI wrote but wint so she can tell you sorry lotsgoing threw my mind at times fell like iam a bother Iknow ufeel Iam not I just do thake care brothers and sisters I love ifanyone coul Get Curtid E mail or phone bill I may gavr read wron but it seems ge is having trouble to I gota few stories t tell him Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 12:12:26 (MDT)

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Robbie, Curt`s phone number is listed, so here it is, Curtis Frank 700 1st St.Sw. Fairfax,MN. (507) 426-7311. Guess I was in such shock that I didn`t ask for his e-mail. He owns his own company,and builds custom homes in Minnesota. That doesn`t surprize me a bit. Curt was always "his own man". Curt drank alot, but no more than anyone else. People have ask me over the years, "How do you remember Nam so well"? I would always reply," Do you remember your "senior trip" in high school"? Well, Nam was my "senior trip".
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
NC USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 11:48:07 (MDT)

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Rick England and Gently, thanks for the nice words about Ray's letter. I only wanted to post it here in case someone else was thinking about doing the same and didn't know how they might start or or what they might say. I would do the same for any of our brothers out there. Mark Jackson, It was real good to hear your voice the other day when we talked on the phone. Man, i'm taking up a lot of room on the log today. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 11:21:18 (MDT)

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Freddie, Does Curt Frank remember anyone? Do you have an email for him or what? Does he look at the flight log? I know it must be disheartning that he doesn't remember things that are still vivid in your mind. Kind of makes you wish you could help him remember. Thanks for letting me know you found him. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 11:15:09 (MDT)

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Ron I checked into Indy $200 that will be cheaper I will let you know soon. Your E-mail bounce on me. You have a new one?
Rick England
USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 10:39:41 (MDT)

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Robie that letter for Ray is perfect. ************** Ron would it be easier to go to Indy? I will check on the prices. Judith what hotel are you staying at? Still trying to see if I can go.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann AZ, USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 10:29:14 (MDT)

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Robbie, Noticed you logging on, I made contact with Curt Frank. Shock the crap out of me, he didn`t remember me or Pete Rhome or Moseley from Texas. Man, Curt Frank and Bill Pecknold taught me everything when I was a newbie. He couldn`t remember who the pilots were when the CS gas canister blew up inside 664, Jobe was the AC and Joel Priebe was PP. I think Hobie(Jobe) got a big time medal for getting that ship back down. Maybe I expect to much from people.
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
NC USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 10:05:18 (MDT)

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Alan Hewitt, I will send that patch to your address. God knows when i'll be in Fla again. I did enjoy hearing how the hooker story ended. I was in a different part of that story but won't go into that. About the other merchandise such as hats/pins/patches, if you scroll down when you get to the main page of this wonderful web site (MANY THANKS TO MARK JACKSON) you will find this info you're looking for. Again i put out a shout to Matt Casey because i would like to get a couple more window stickers from him. HEY MATT, GOT ANY WINDOW STICKERS LEFT? I don't know if i told the story about the Boar that i shot in the free fire zone or not but won't tell it again in case i've had a "SENIOR MOMENT" once again.. I look forward to seeing the pictures from you as they get posted.... Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 09:16:22 (MDT)

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Robbie, thanks for the info. I would live to have another "King" Patch, I've misplaced a lot of things over the years. I will be at next year's reunion in Orlando or if you wish, my address is [229 Baytree, Tavares, FL 32778]. I also noticed there were other items some of the members had for sale, i.e. company patches, hats, etc. Is there a list of what's available for sale and how I can purchase some of these items? I wasn't able to make Las Vegas but I will be in Orlando, good lord willing, it's only 40 miles from my home. Hoped you enjoyed the hooker story. I'll have to tell you the one about the time we shot the hog and left a rookie on the ground, interesting. Mark will be putting pictures up pretty soon and it will show a lot of the crews we had in the guns and other things we did. Talk to you later.
Allan Hewitt <abhewitt@earthlink.net>
Tavares, FL USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 08:21:14 (MDT)

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Frist want to thank you all for reaching out to help my speach is good at times but under stress or pressure I lose it I had a Agent orange test done they sid I dont have cause I dont have dibeaties I feel thats a not the way to for EXample i know my friends daughter Has to give her self a shot a few times a day and she was never n Nam I dont think its the way to go But I want to thank you all for if not for you all caring I may not be here I dont rember much cant dilal a pjone I dial hal one perons and hlf of anothers sorry for spelling ON on that Joke I hope I didnt ofend any one I just thought it was cute I for got I could take the F word so If I ofended any one Ian so sorry so take care brothers and sisters I try to come hee once a day dont always write some thing for lack of words to say come hard for me again thanks for all your help Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 08:09:20 (MDT)

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Lloyd, thank you. I have been in communication with Ray off the web site, and it breaks my heart. I believe he lives in Street,Maryland. Perhaps we have some friends there who could help him: VA appts, therapy, check his meds, etc. He can't even dial a phone with out 5-6 attempts to do so, nor can he remember things one day to the next. Time to step up. And thank you Rick England for being there via emails for Ray. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 08:06:52 (MDT)

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Good Morning Flight, Just thought I would check in here and see what`s up. Was watching the flooding of Europe on CNN. Prague, Czech Republic is a real jewel of Eastern Europe, it`s the "Rock and Roll" capital of Europe. When I was visiting the city, we took a day trip to the small town of Ceske, about 15 miles south of Prague. In that small town there is a brewery, The Budejovicky Budvar, that translates in english, Budweiser Brewery. The original Bud Brewery, but it don`t taste or react like American Bud. It`s about 18% to 20% alcohol content. Until then, I thought Bud was German, for sure. Just a bit of trivia. A day without learning or a new exprience is a wasted day.
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 08:00:07 (MDT)

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Hello Flight. Anyone that has been reading the como in here lately will know what i am speaking about when i say Ray Gagner was my door gunner for quite awhile in 1969. As most of you know he is going through some hard times right now and wanted to enlist our help in the form of a letter or statement that he might take with him to the VA. I had never done anything like this before but Ray has always been special to me and I had been trying to find him for 30 years, and one day he shows up. So i sent an email to him that he can print out to take with him. Not sure how good it is or what good it will do but I wanted to help. For anyone else that knew Ray and wants to help, I will put what i sent in here and maybe it will give someone an idea as to what they might write. To whom it may concern: My name is Lloyd Robinson and my address is 6460 Salmon Creek Road Williamson, NY 14589. I was in Vietnam from April 1969 until January 1970. I was a Crewchief on helicopter 6616-265 in the 129th Assault Helicopter Company 1st Aviation Brigade. One of the many jobs I had to perform while there was to spray Agent Orange to defoliate the trees so we could find the enemy. During this time, Raymond Gagner was the Door Gunner assigned to me so he flew all of the same missions that i did. Ray was a very energetic and helpful Gunner while he was with me. Always quick witted and ready to go on any mission. I lost track of Ray over the years and just recently got in touch with him through a website set up by Mark Jackson who is the brother of the man I was a door gunner for when i first got to Vietnam, whose name was Larry Jackson. Ray had also been on missions with Larry and was currently his gunner when Larry went out on a mission at night and everyone on board was killed. Ray would have been with Larry but was busy that night and someone else volunteered to go in his place. This bothered Ray the rest of the time he was there and still bothers him to this day. He feels that he should have been with Larry that night. Larry's brother Mark and I are both concerned about Ray's health/well being. It seems that he has trouble talking, typing, remembering and dealing with life in general as most people are able to do. He was let go from his job because of his condition and tasks he could no longer perform. Ray is like a Brother to me in more ways than one and I love him like I do my own Brothers. I know he is not the same person I knew then. It brings tears to my eyes every time I talk to him on the phone and he struggles to get the words out. I write this letter with the hope that someone in the VA can Help Ray in some way so he can return to a normal life. I believe he deserves at least this much. Thank You, Lloyd Robinson RA 11976780.
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 07:23:40 (MDT)

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Ron, thanks for the info-now consider yourself spanked for being away so long! POW-MIA Day-we're there. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 06:56:06 (MDT)

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Hey Rick, Ron will be easy to spot at the airport......just look for a guy on a Harley with his bare ass showing!!! Haaa! Sorry Ron. Don't know yet if I'll make it to Kokomo. I'm about 75 miles west of Indy and will probably wait til the last minute. Later Gale
Gale Beard <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 06:54:53 (MDT)

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Thanks Ron might take you up on that if I can make it. Only if you don't flash me at the airport.Heeeeeeeeeeee
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, AZ USA - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 05:43:31 (MDT)

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Hey Flight, Guess I had better check in before Gently comes out here and takes care of me :>))) Kokomo is Sept 20 to 22. Some go sooner just to be there. A few years ago they rented out all the camp sites for a three year period. They were trying to raise $$$ to pay off the property. A group of us have three spots together. The spots are large. If anyone wants to camp out with us there is plenty of room. Katharine Marsee, you are more then welcome to pitch a tent if you want. The advantage of camping is you can sit up into the night, watch the camp fire and shoot the bull. . Good camaraderie, good food, and good spirits. A great time is had by all. Mark and Dee, Gently and Joe Campbell stay at the hotel, so they don't keep the rest of us up all night with all the grunts and groan's. Hope to see as many there as possible. Rick, if you can fly into Indy you have a ride. I live 10 minutes from the airport. If you come early you can bunk at my place. If you need to be picked up in Lafaytte for a cheaper flight let me know. Anyone coming through Indy Friday noon, it is national POW/MIA Day and we have a good ceremony down town. I will be heading to Kokomo after that. Hope all is well with all. Love and Brotherhood Ron Paye
Ron Paye <ronpaye@comcast.net>
Indy, IN USA - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 20:26:03 (MDT)

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i think its about 40 miles or a little less between laff. and kok. is 53 miles from indianapolis to kokomo. its about 80 miles from pop a top to kokomo.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
indianapolis, indiana USA - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 17:08:27 (MDT)

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Yea, Fred I do have a few left how many do you want? Thanks for the map, I forgot about map quest. Still not sure of going we'll see. Thanks again
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, AZ USA - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 16:10:37 (MDT)

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If I go I will fly I checked in to flying into Kokomo the airport is lafayette (laf). How far is that to Kokomo? I can get roundtrip for 250.00. Any suggestions?
Rick England <bd431@mindsprinf.com>
Wittmann , AZ USA - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 14:16:24 (MDT)

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Good Morning 129, Frank Loveday, Yes do I remember you and out trip to VN with the 238th and ultimate transfer to the 129th. Cold a s hell at Ft. Riley before we went to Nam. real smart, get ultra cold weather training BEFORE we go to Nam. As for Capt Bill Cooty, he was King for a couple of months then left, don't know what happened to Bill after he left, lost touch with him after RVN. For Robbie here it is. I got a call earlly one morning from the Gun Platoon Sergeant that help was needed. Seems some individuals smuggled some hookers on base the afternoon before and couldn't get them out that night or the next morning because of security checks at the gate. Plt Sgt asked if we could help get the women out or if I had any ideas. I told him we would be in deep dodo if we got caught flying them out but it seemed the only way. I called operations about 0530 and said there was mainteneance work done a gun system the evening before and I would need to check that a/c out before we could use it on a mission. Told the plt sgt to have them in the gun shack before first light. Bon't remember who my pp was, but we cranked up the a/c, hovered over to the gun shack opened the door and loaded a bunch of women (hookers), 4 or 5 at least, maybe more. Immediately took off toward the mountain, north, banked left and went to a road approximately 2 miles south, made a quick landing on a road and dumped them all right there. You should have heard the chatter, even they didn't know where they were. We then went out to the free fire area to the east, fired the guns for a second and came back, hopefully with no one the wiser. Events never seem to amaze me. First priority was too ensure no one got into trouble and we were glad to assist in this emergency extraction. That's the long and short of it Robbie, I didn't ask who brought them in. Enjoy Flight.
Allan Hewitt <abhewitt@aol.com>
Tavares, FL USA - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 06:11:44 (MDT)

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Good Morning 129, Frank Loveday, Yes do I remember you and out trip to VN with the 238th and ultimate transfer to the 129th. Cold a s hell at Ft. Riley before we went to Nam. real smart, get ultra cold weather training BEFORE we go to Nam. As for Capt Bill Cooty, he was King for a couple of months then left, don't know what happened to Bill after he left, lost touch with him after RVN. For Robbie here it is. I got a call earlly one morning from the Gun Platoon Sergeant that help was needed. Seems some individuals smuggled some hookers on base the afternoon before and couldn't get them out that night or the next morning because of security checks at the gate. Plt Sgt asked if we could help get the women out or if I had any ideas. I told him we would be in deep dodo if we got caught flying them out but it seemed the only way. I called operations about 0530 and said there was mainteneance work done a gun system the evening before and I would need to check that a/c out before we could use it on a mission. Told the plt sgt to have them in the gun shack before first light. Bon't remember who my pp was, but we cranked up the a/c, hovered over to the gun shack opened the door and loaded a bunch of women (hookers), 4 or 5 at least, maybe more. Immediately took off toward the mountain, north, banked left and went to a road approximately 2 miles south, made a quick landing on a road and dumped them all right there. You should have heard the chatter, even they didn't know where they were. We then went out to the free fire area to the east, fired the guns for a second and came back, hopefully with no one the wiser. Events never seem to amaze me. First priority was too ensure no one got into trouble and we were glad to assist in this emergency extraction. That's the long and short of it Robbie, I didn't ask who brought them in. Enjoy Flight.
Allan Hewitt <abhewitt@aol.com>
Tavares, FL USA - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 06:11:43 (MDT)

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just saying hi to all I went and file for ssi will knw in 4 months I may have spelt name wrong on last one sorry if I did Take care Brothers and sisters I go to VA tomorrow to file more paper work Again u all take care Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street , MD USA - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 19:42:23 (MDT)

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Ray, did you change your email address? I just tried checking in with you and the message came back as undeliverable. Contact us to let us know you're OK. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Milwaukee, USA - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 09:04:11 (MDT)

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Good morning flight.The Fairfield Inn in Kokomo still has rooms available. Phone 866-603-9330, $69.50 with a Continental breakfast and smoking rooms, indoor pool and a jacuzzi. Ask for a Veterans discount because you're going to the re-union, you may get one. BTW, did everyone get the "having a bad day" photo emailed to them from Cups? If not email him to forward it to you... it's something else. Leave it to Cups. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Milwaukee, USA - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 08:55:48 (MDT)

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Flight, the dates for Kokomo are Sept 20-22. I'll try to find more info. Gale
Gale Beard <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 06:39:24 (MDT)

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Good evening flight - greetings from Montana. Been following all the commo really closely; haven't had time to reply till now. First off. How many Cubs fans are out there? Being from Montana we sorely lack in pro sports teams (seems OHIO has more than its share!?!?) Seriously, about the VA. I've had tremendous luck with them. BUT. I went through my service officer of the American Legion. He put me directly in touch with the right people who work for the Legion, but are actually State employees. He took me through, step by step on how to increase my benefits and start getting health care. In all, it took about a year to get everything rolling, but was worth it in the end. I'm quite active in the American Legion, State of Montana. I've been a state officer, and now a District Vice-Commander and will take over this district in 2003. So it's a great organization, and you don't have to be a member to get the help and information. Start with a local Post and ask how to get in touch with the service officer in your area. The DAV in this area is also active and does a great job, as does the Vietnam Veteran's Org. This small town only had the Legion so that the route I took. It was a good choice for me. So Ray, hang in there. There's a lot of people like Smitty (Jim W) who keep us all going. What's the story about Kokomo? Have never heard of this before. Gently - take some pictures for us?? Got your email today and will make your order tomorrow. Will work quickly to have it to you - hopefully before the Big K!! Take care all - always a brother. Ron DeBates
Ron DeBates <rebate@mcn.net>
Big Timber, MT USA - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 20:05:56 (MDT)

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Oops!!! guess I should read what I write the year was 1979 not 1969. Dennis
Dennis Fuerstenau <dfuerst_2000@yahoo.com>
Davenport, FL USA - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 18:52:21 (MDT)

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Good Evening Flight, and greetings from Florida.I have been reading all of the commo about the VA so I suppose that I should throw in my thoughts. All of my dealings with the VA have been thru the use of my NSO @ the DAV. From the day in 1969 that the good old Army said my career was over, the DAV was right there to help thru the VA Maze. For those of you who work or have worked for the VA my hat is off to you. Currently the VA keeps me updated on Agent Orange issues and the Hepititas "C" problem. Although I receive my health care elsewhere, the VA continues to monitor it. Gently, I give you my praise for your work and study PTSD. Now on to other things of interest. Spent last weekend with my daughter @ Maxwell AFB, AL, where she is completing COT (Commissioned Officer Training). Why? you may ask! After 8 hard years of college I now have a Doctor in the family, who now must give the Air Force three years of her time for the help they gave her going to college. After the visit and on the way home I stopped @ good old FT.RUCKER, the home of the 1st Aviation Brigade. I always have a hard time going to the Museum, but this time it seemed a little easier. Especially since I have re-connected with my family of the 129th. Well my friends shall sign off for now, Kokomo is a definite possibility. Clear up left Dennis.
Dennis Fuerstenau <dfuerst_2000@yahoo.com>
Davenport, FL USA - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 18:49:51 (MDT)

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.....YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....Good idea Rick.........Hey Westy, Bring the troops on....man, that would make a good night at the Pop-A-Top!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;-))))))))))....course..I would probably give all the beer away anyways...........maybe I can get the Gov. to subsidize me!!!!!!!!!!!.....so good to see all the commo....we have a new page with the 129th schtuff for sale all by it self now......check it out..........still have some oix of Phoenix not up yet. Working on them.......and Dee and I probably will be at Kokomo..................Hey Ron Paye , sir!!!!!......where you at brother????? .......always a brother..............Mark............PS....yes Dee and I do know about the bus travels from Kokomo to the Hotels....they leave every 1/2 hour and will drop you off right at your jaguzzee........um!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark Jackson <fourfour@bright.net>
LZ POP-A-TOP, USA - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 11:00:09 (MDT)

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You guys are so-o funny!!!! Give Gary back to Chicago....take everyone to a fish fry at the Pop-a Top......who's buying the first round....too funny. I guess I better get some battle gear to wear for this trip to Kokomo! With smiles, Gently
Gentlyj <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Milwaukee, USA - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 06:23:27 (MDT)

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Hey Westy take all 40,000 to Pop A Top for fish fry on friday and they all can stay with Mark and Dee. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Mark how bout it.
Rick England
Wittmann, AZ USA - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 06:15:00 (MDT)

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40,000 Thousand Troops........What I could do with 40,000 troops?...... First of all..... To many troops in one location....One Jack Daniels Napalm bomb or a Columbian Red Bud bomb.......takes out the entire troop movement. My strategy......Move 10,000 troops up to South Bend......negotiate and give Gary back to Chicago, and stop them Canadians cold.....Then we send 10,000 troops to Evansville......stop the Kentuckians at the Ohio River............20,000 troops to I-70 East and West in Indianapolis...... Split them there.......And " force march" to the Ohio and Illinois borders......... Smells like " Victory" to me!!!!!!!!!
General Westmoreland <iamaidiot.com>
Mars, USA - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 05:11:46 (MDT)

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chuckles with my friend Jim. love you 2 man. u above all others , are a brother.we shared many a time together.Yes,thank you,Alton page is his name and i salute you sir.To this day u have my sencere respect.You are one of the few true warriors.99% of the flyers are.and yes,we are brothers(except one) chuckle.Jim,would love to see you.Mark and dee,hopeto see u 2 in the big k.wow,40 thousand huh.Whos buying the first round? chucklebe at peace my brothers..and sisters.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@AOL.COM>
USA - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 18:24:50 (MDT)

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Ron Paye, Sir!!!!!! Ron Paye, Sir!!!!! Please give everyone the info for Kokomo, I'm beseiged with(and I love it) questions on the event and I don't want to misinform anyone. I believe it starts 9/19 and you can camp, if you can get a camp site-or you can hotel it. If it's the hotel venue, I suggest you do it now, I believe the camp sites may be gone. Last year there were over 40,000 Nam Veterans and their familes in attendence(it's huge!), and many, many Vets have various types of signs desinating their units, so brothers can be reunited. There are many vendors,ice and fire wood are available through carts that go up on and down the multiple lanes of campers, RV's tents, etc. And there's music. Mark and Dee get there late because of the bar and then they need to be transported because they park their bike at a hotel-but they're not opposed to "City transport." There are buses that will take you from your hotel to the camp site(corn fields owned by the Nam Veterans of Indy)and back. Mark and Dee are experts on bus transport:>))So pose your questions on such to them. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Milwaukee, USA - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 14:02:49 (MDT)

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Alvis, you are certifiable & I will attest to it (LOVE YOU). As for the VA & the U.S. Govt. over all those years of service, I have seen a lot myself of programs getting cut, whittled down, etc. in the name of budget or whatever they can think of. When I first went to work at the VA it was a grand joy & now has become somewhat of a chore due to having to fight battles with these issues ( which take time away from patient care) I have chosen not to run but believe me , i have made my views known & am not the most popular kid on the block ( don't give a damn, you are whats' important). We are the guardians of The VA. IF you leave your car running on the street someone is liable to steal it!! The Govt. is stealing back the VA gang. I keep harping on VSO'S. I belong to post 2252 VFW. A real vet of these is my friend Ron Debates & maybe he would care to speak on this ( hope I'm not putting you on the spot Ron). Fred Alvis, the other Pilot is Alton Page (Shadow)lives in SC ( one of the best & pulled my ass out of a jam or 2). The thing I want you all to know is that I am a resource!!! questions? feel free. I know where there are programs. PTSD palo alto, cal., Topeka, KS, Tomah , wisc., American Lake , washington etc. You were there for me then & I want to bet here for you now. Another great pilot ( Greg " the Animal Henkel"), & a friend, good to hear from ya. Ray Gagner, (HANG IN THERE & DO NOT GIVE UP! WE!!!! ARE BEHIND YOU).
James Westwang <westwang@fiberpipe.net>
Sheridan, wy USA - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 13:31:48 (MDT)

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My husband and I will be joining you in Kokomo. I don't post much but read daily.
Katharine Marsee <fricabeunme@aol.com>
Elizabethtown, KY USA - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 11:26:21 (MDT)

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when in sept.? My beat friend is a nam grunt,and we would like to make it there.he has been once a few years ago,thiks its a great idea to go again.Would love to see a certian captian from the 60th ahc...ghostriders.Chuckle,was sent to sigon cause i threatened to kill him.Chuckle,psych said take a week off boy,your tired.was thrown in jail there cause i didnt have on class "A"s.Heck.i hadnt even seen a set there,much less knew it was regs to wear them.they told me ..no flight suites boy,not downtown. chuckleShrug,was relaesed after they called up 1st sarg. and made sure i wasnt deserter.What a place vietnamwas,so many controdictions.throwing out chu hoi leaflets and getting shot at while doing so,cant fire back boys,this is peace mission. hey captian,lets go to that crash site,thats my room mates on board thet ship.....no,we gotta deliver the mail.Smile,i have hoped to see him for 20 years now,no coronel to report me to..smile "Brother",no i think not.old wounds are slow to heal,they turn poisen, but there are 2 other pilots i would love to see. gabby was one heck of a pilot,bet he could fly a slick thru a straw,man he could fly.There was also a short,heavy set,black pilot,nic was shadow, i believe.That man has my respect.full of good humor,hell of a pilot,fearless.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 10:51:40 (MDT)

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This Westmoreland person is really a trip. I had a good laugh at his last comment. Thanks General. Ray, dear friend, if any of your treatments were life threatening, and you were not close to a VA, the VA must pick up the cost. Going to the DAV was a wonderful suggestion and you stick with it. The service organizations associated with Veterans and the VA's will, this summer, have access to helping you file your claims in a more rapid manner-through the use of computers, rather than the old ridiculous paper trail that Barry so eloquently spoke of. Don't try to do it yourself, and don't go through the VA until you have spoken with someone from one of these organizations for advice. So, DAV, VFW, or which ever you feel god about-go there-call there. And yes, Barry my brother, filing three times has been the norm-sucks doesn't it. Kokomo is coming up in September-who's going? Ron Pay, Mark and Dee, Pete and T.J., Ron Coppersmith, Joe and I are all probably going. A mini? Always a sister to you , my friends. I care very much, please know that. Gently
Gentlyj <jsinger@uwm.edu>
Milwaukee, WI USA - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 07:48:08 (MDT)

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Fred, That`s not very nice!!!!!!!! Now give it some long thought.....
General Westmoreland <iamaidiot.com>
Mars, USA - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 19:13:51 (MDT)

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piss on the V.A.claims people.As far as i am concerened,the boys in oklahoma hit the wrong building
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 18:54:11 (MDT)

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SORRY GUYS I SCREWED UP SOME HOW. BUT TO CONTINUE I FILED MY CLAIM IN 92 AND OF COURSE I WAS TURN DOWN I ALSO FILED FOR THE APPEALS ON MY CASE AGIAIN I WAS TURNED DOWN THAN IN 94 I FILED A SECOND PTSD CLIAM AGAIN I WAS TURNED DOWN . IN LATE 96 I AGAIN FILE MY 3RD CLIAMBUT DURING ALL THIS I WAS STILL ATTENDING MY GROUPAN WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT MY PTSD WAS GETTIN WORSE. IN SEPT. OF 1997 I HAD THE BIG ONE A FLASH BACK THAT PUT ME IN THE V.A. FOR NINE MONTHS UNDER LOCK AN KEY.I WAS IN A bad way. i was put in a number of programs for help the mica unit an the stress unit. AFTER GOING THROUGHT THE PROGRAMS I WAS AWARDED MY PTSD CLAIM. IM 100 % AN DOING GREAT. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT CONTINUALLY FILING CLAIMS IT CRAETED A PAPER TRAIL THAT THE V.A. COULD NOT DENY. SO MY ADVICE TOO ALL IS KEEP FILING YOUR CLAIMS NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, PTSD ,LOSS OF HEARING HEALTH PROBLEMS,WHAT EVER, KEEP FILING.YOU'LL GET IT BELIEVE MAY TAKE TIME BUT YOU'LL GET IT.FOR YOU GUYS WHO ARE JUST STARTING ON MEDS IN THE V.A. FOR WHAT EVER REASON IF YOU FEEL THEY ARE NOT WORKING OR ARE TO MUCHLET YOUR DOR KNOW THIS IS A HIT AN MISS THING UNTIL YOUFIND WHATS BEST FOR YOU.THE SERVICE ORGANIZATOINARE OUT THERE TO HELP WITH YOUR CLAIM. THEY TAKE YOU STEP BY STEP THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCEDURE AN KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR CLAIM.I HPE I HAVE SHED A LITTLE LIGHT ON GOES ON WITH THE V.A.THEY WANT YOU TO GIVE UP. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE V.A. HOSPITAL OR DOC MAKE A CHANGE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THIS THIS IS NOT A HAND OUT IS WHAT THE GOVERMENT WANTS YOU TO THINK AGAIN WE ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING THE V.A. HAS TOO OFTER TAKE IT ALL.ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION OR ANY DOUGHTS CALL ME # 863-666-5852. GENTLY KEEP UP THE WORK DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHEATHER YOU MIGHT OFFEND SOMEONE ITS INFO WE CAN ALL USE. AS IT WAS SAID BEFORE BY ONE OF OUR BROTHERS YOU ARE AN ANGEL SENT FROM HEAVEN HOPE I HAVE DONE SOME GOOD WINK FROM 010 WITH LOVE 3/69-10/70
BARRY WINKLER <COBRA129TH@AOL.COM>
USA - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 10:51:51 (MDT)

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GOOD MORNING FLIGHT,BEEN READING THE POSTINGS & THE JEST OF WHAT I'VE BEEN READING IS THE CONCREN ABOUT THE V.A.'S HOSPITALS AN FILING FOR BENEFITS.WITH MY VAST EXPERANCE WITG THE V.A. IS# ONE THE V.A. WHEN YOU APPLY FOR ANY OF THERE BENEFITS WHEATHER IT'S TRING TOO GET MEDICAL BENNY'S OR COMP THE V.A. WILL ALWAYS PUT ROAD BLOCKS IN FRONT OF YOU& THIS FOR TWO RESSONS, ONE, IS YHE V.A, WANTS THE VET TO GET THE F--K ITS & THE SECOND REASON IS THEY HOPE YOU DIE BEFORE THEY SETTLE ON YOUR CASE.I'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR BETTERTHAN 20 YEARS,CLAIM AFTER CLAIM MOST OF THE TIMES MY CLAIMS WOULD BE TURNED DOWN BUT I WOULD NOT GIVE UP.I KEPT REFILING MY CLAINS. I CRAETED A PAPER TRAIL & IM GALD I DID.IN 1989 I STARTED A OUT PATIENT GROUP AT THE MONTROSS V.A. IN NEW YORK. IATTENDEDTHIS GROUP ONCE A WEEK. I LEARNED ABOUT MYSELF AN THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.I CONTINUED WITH THE GROUP WRIGHT THROUGHT TOO 1997. IN 1992 I WAS DIAOGNOSED WITH P.T.S.D. BY MY DOC, WITH MY DIAOGNOSES I FILED MY CLAIM WITH THE V.A.
barry winkler <cobra 129th@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 09:56:55 (MDT)

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Hello brothers and sister well I was doing well now the place ants me to pa all back health care I talked to them many times saidnot to worrie we work with you but now the higher up who own the co want all bac health pay or ins will stop I thin its they way to stoping paying me Iam going to a talk to a lawer to see if to see if I can get with draw my 401k I know the gove will take most of it but need to be done also going to helpme file for ssi thanks for the suport I cant rember people I work with well wont be a pain thanks for the ear Iam so glad I got to this sight take care my brothers & sisters Ray not complaing but if they stop my didibilt ins we lose all again just talking to vent thanks lately I dontrember much Iam going to trash in steas o refrigr and do oppspsit I
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street md, md USA - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 04:22:45 (MDT)

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anyone beside me ever cut off the end sights of their 60 with a hacksaw? it made a very impressive ,huge,ring of fire at the end of the barrel. chuckle,u coudnt see past the ball of fire hardly,but it scared the heck out anyone on the ground.Was shootingonce and heard...holy shit,what the hell is he firing.chuckle. he Jim,where u there for the C.A. when we picked up the Koreans and they had pot stuffed into thier helmets for camo?stuff started swirling around the cabin,was so funny.had one peter pilot get busted for drying it in an ammo can,poor guy. did u guys hear that they giving old men in nurseing homes viagra now? keeps them from rolling out od bed at night. chuckle hey ron,drop by abd see me again sometime buddy.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 16:28:01 (MDT)

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be of brave heart Ray.u seem to be making some very possitive steps.Tho i served later than you,I am a brother gunner and chief.Hang in there buddy.good luck and god bless.
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 16:18:09 (MDT)

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Hello MY frothers and sisterswant to tkank you all for listing to me I tell Ya my merory is short Ifirget every thing I realy liked what Gently said on aug 9th I dont know what to say but If I can ever be help to any I be there some one at VA hosipi talked to me for I show the symtyms of agent orange even down to My daughted having a very large head and was not growing up as she should well the soicial worker saidI cant put in for Agent orange for I had a claim on PSTd so I called a good friend he said go to DAV so I called he said that BS come in and file Ido get so insure take all to heart I carefr u all well hope i didnt bore any one I am trying o get her mor often so all my brothers and sisters Take care RAY love u all I hopenever to lose touch
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street , MD USA - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 07:23:22 (MDT)

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Flight, It`s been a wonderful day. Made contact with with Brother Gary Carlson(Cobra Baron)70-71. God love his heart, he`s doin great. He`ll be on-line when he picks up his computer skills. If not, I`m still happy.
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, August 09, 2002 at 21:16:23 (MDT)

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Fred Brown: I haven't found my exact source for the 25%. But if you go to http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/15/health/main506136.shtml you'll get a flavor of the problem. I'll keep looking for the other article, unless the above article satisfies you. Always a sister to you Veterans-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, August 09, 2002 at 08:06:46 (MDT)

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Kim, to address your question:(I believe) when WWII ended our Veterans came home to respect and honor. Since that time, that respect and honor has caused various agencies(like the VA) that work with/for Veterans to be accountable, to these Veterans, for the sevices rendered to them. That, I believe, is also a big part of why we now have so many services/benefits for Veterans. But the WWII Veterans are dying, and rapidly. The military involvement of our soldiers in Grenada, Bosnia, the Gulf, Somalia, and in the Viet Nam War(forgive me if in my hurry to communicate I have left any out-it is certainly not my intent),has not demanded that same respect and honor from civilians and politicians toward those(you)Veterans. And many of those/you Veterans, because of this, have not stepped forward to take the wheel from the WWII Veterans. Without the continued accountablility demanded by the WWII Veterans in the past, there is no future for Veteran services/benefits. You Veterans and supporters like myself, have to step forward, take the leadership role, and continue to demand accountability. Yes, Veterans Vote, and that is one way, and yes, we can write our congressmen-but unless our faces are seen, names recognized, and our numbers large, we will not be worth contending with. The government must recognize that you(we) are a force, like the WWII Veterans were, to be heard, respected, and honored. I feel that one organized way to do this is to join the military organizations like the VFW, Allied Veterans, DAV for example, and to speak loudly, and lead. Time is running out and services are being cut-period. I know that many of you may not know where to begin to get involved, and many of you do not want be the leaders, but make that simple phone call to the above listed organizations, and start helping yourself and other Veterans, in any small way you can. There are not even enough Veterans available to make the poppies that are sold every year! Unbelievable! Can you imagine what the Veterans from Afghanistan and Irag(again) will not have available to them if we do not step in now?! Remember the VVA motto-Never again will one generation of Veterans forget another Generation of Veterans- let's not forget. I love you guys and I want the best for you, but we need your help. Always a sister to you Veterans-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Friday, August 09, 2002 at 07:54:43 (MDT)

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Nahhh, the only people I can remember hating was the TI's. Assholes were always writing some shit like " piece of brass stuck in track on r/h side of left seat" Hell, they could have just thrown the damn thing away in less time than it took to write it! I got in the 129th about the time there was a whole bunch of racist bullshit going down, though. I'm glad to have met guys like Will Smith and Stanley Roberts who taught me that we were all on the same side..... Our VA in Maine has been on a push to get to the Viet Vets. Like all the other one's I read about, there's never enough to go around, but, they ARE trying. Is there any relation between the level of competance, and, the involvement of the service organizations??
Kim La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
Livermore, Me USA - Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 20:47:56 (MDT)

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Animal, I totally agree!!!!! Self-Medicated Herbs!!!!! That`s the key!!!!!! But WE have laws....... Laws should be to protect.....not to punish. But that`s another issue in itself. In Nam The Juice Freaks hated The Potheads, the Potheads hated The Junkies and the Junkies hated both groups. And The Bible Thumpers just prayed that we wouldn`t go crazy at the same time.
General Westmoreland <idiot.com>
Mars, . USA - Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 12:34:19 (MDT)

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Animal-congrats on being clean!!! I pray you are still attending AA meetings where you can share your success story with the many who need to hear it. And great advice on finding someone who knows the VA system when you are new to it. Always a sister-Gently
gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 12:09:02 (MDT)

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Respects to all: Flight, after seeing some of you telling about the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Throw, I went to our local Wal-mart and was told they didn't have it. I then started looking all over and it seems they're in short supply. Anyway, I finally found a store that had some and I bought the last four (4) they had. I would like to keep one so I have three (3) extra if anyone would like one. I paid $14.96 plus tax, so if you want one for $18.00 which will pay for mailing, just let me know, and I'll get it in the mail to you. If you want more info about it, let me know and I'll e-mail you. KTF (Poppasan 69-70)
C.P. Bloomfield <ccbloom@llion.org>
Lebanon, MO USA - Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 12:00:51 (MDT)

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Hello all, I haven't contributed much lately, but always follow the great input from you people in the guestbook. I've had a lot of experience with the VA and need to throw in my two cents. Back in the 80's I went to the VA Hospital in Long Beach, CA where a Doctor prescribed some medicine that I was allergic to. What a mess! He didn't speak english very well and probably didn't understand me. I remained pissed off and avoided the VA for the next 15 years or so. In 1995 a vet friend persuaded me to try again and I checked in to the local vet center. I'm convinced that he saved my life. I spent a few weeks in detox at Tripler army hospital(the psych ward) and have been enjoying my sobriety ever since. I'm no angel and still use some self medication herbs, but it was the alcohal and the unchecked PTSD that really had the negative impact on my life. Guys like Smitty were covering my ass in country and continue to do so today. One thing I've learned is there's always a few fellow vets at the VA who know how to work the system and can really help. It really helps to find a sympathetic advocate for yourself when you're a newbee to the system. Smitty and everyone else who has chosen to work with fellow vets are Heroes in my book. When dealing with the benifits people, many vets have trouble proving that they were in combat. If you were flight crew this is easy as your flight records are available by filling out the proper form.(ask). Be patient and hang in there. One last fact about the Medical proffesion in general: What do they call the person who graduates last in Medical school?..................... They call him Doctor!!! Thanks to all of you for your input. Animal 1st Plt. '71
Animal <tatu@gte.net>
HI USA - Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 11:23:31 (MDT)

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Fred Brown and friends, I read so much information, from so many sources, that it might take me a while----but I'm on it. I remember when I read the 25% tibit-I was blown away! I had to read it to another person, my beau, Joe, Viet Nam Phouc Vinh 67-68, just to make sure I was reading it correctly, and that I wasn't haven't a nightmare. A lot of information comes out of the Viet Nam Veterans of America web site and you can get on their email list for up to date and ever changing information, including legislation and benefit information that pertains to you my friends. So,anyway, in between my responsibilities at work I will try to locate my source. Trust, though, that I read it, re-read it-read it aloud, and that the source was credible. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 06:48:07 (MDT)

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hang in there RAy,buddy.Every single one of us are rooting for u and ur return to good health.Gently,jim and jeff.....its because of people like u that i go back to V.A. U guys are the bright shinning stars in a murky world of medical mumbo gunbo,dont cares and nexts.There are a few here like uguys.The monitary squeeze and patient overloads just make it almost impossible to get good health care.Buts its not the health care system..tho some... that i am reallt pissed at.Its the people that decide who is service connected and who isnt and they budget thwy look at b4 making a decision. its the paper trail one must chase down,the hoops one must jump thru,the flat out bullshit one must go thru.With all my anger,i must admitt that V.A. system did save my life.When i got home from over there..i came down with hepitis.with in one month of returning.even was in army ..ft carson..hosp.This ,of course,"isnt service connected".chuckle,right. anyway,a few years ago,,they told me i had another form of it..."c" its deadly with no cure.V.A. was runnung clincical trails,trying to get new drugs approved,asked if i was intrested. duh,,,,.long story short,it worked.But i must say,program was ran my city hospital thru va.V,A, supplide the drugs,thank god,was a thousand $a month.So many good people there try and help,they care,but the system just beats them down.Bless u gently,for ur work,u are a true angel of mercy,an unsung hero.same goes for jim amd jeff.My hat is off to u both,but god i hate the V.a.If it were not for people like u 3....well never mind.i dont want to get arrested.Its funny,one one hand i am thankfull for va...i feel like i have been betrayed..again. brother jim, i have emailed u several times....r u not getting them?
fred alvis <ghoastrider1@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 20:23:19 (MDT)

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Gently, your statement, "25% of all doctors within the VA system have criminal records and couldn't get a job anywhere else" is quit an alarming indictment. Would you please post your source for that information? Thanks
Fred Brown / C.B./Charlie 129th Cobras 70-71 <FJBuffalo@Yahoo.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 19:13:22 (MDT)

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Well my friends, I'm getting alot of communication regarding the VA and its service to our Veterans. Perhaps, as a positive step, what we could do is suggest an appropriate VA to our ailing brothers and sisters. For example, I have already told several of your brothers(my friends) that the VA in Tomah,Wisconsin specializes in PTSD, so they might inquire about such. The VA in Milwaukee specializes in Spinal Cord injuries and treatment. So, if and when we hear someone hurting, let's offer them a suggestion of a good and approprate VA.
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 06:59:40 (MDT)

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Brothers& Sisters: Well hopefully I am back on Schedule. It's been a couple of busy weeks with work and trying to visit our ill vets from the VHCMA. Glad to report except for our loss of Lloyd Godwin last week. The rest of our Brothers are making some good progress with their illnesses. Been catching up on the log and about the VA. I have never been inside a VA hospital. I have heard stories about the treatment our Brothers receive. But, I learned that all things are not the same. It's the deication of the people whom make anything a sucess. We have two of our own Jim and Jeff. Whom decided to go that extra mile and give that 110% to our Brothers that are in their care. Thank you both for your deciation !!! Well back to trying to locate more of the 129th. And also, trying to obtain more personnel rosters, and hopefully some operations reports. I know I can get the personnel rosters from St. Louis , but would like to find the operation reports that whom was flying what missions. Also want Welcome all the New Brothers whom have hit the site in last few weeks. LZ Atlanta 2003 3rd week of June. Always A Brother Alex
Alex Fernwalt <afernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 06:53:41 (MDT)

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I agree with freddie in the 70's the VA did not set us know how to go thourgh the system. Jim and Jeff I appreicate your service in VA and hope thier are more like you. I thank you guys for your service.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittamnn, AZ USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 20:55:31 (MDT)

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Jeff and Jim, I was not really bashing the VA, I was in agreement with Gently. The VA has a tendency to " over prescribe" . But in 1974, sympathetic Viet-Nam Vet male RN`s were rare. At the time of my experience with the VA, the RN`s were mostly women, middle aged, this was a second job in the household for them. They had " boys your age away at college". They had been raising a family, so it was "second income" for them. And the Aides were "young well fed Ohio farm boys" that were just looking for something to go wrong. Now, with state and federal goverment certification requirements most of that should have been cleaned up. Plus RN`s today seem to all be "specialized" at one area. When I was at the VA, they were still using phrases like" battle fatique" and my personal favorite" severe anxieties". Jim and Jeff, the VA was a "diffrent animal" then.
Freddie
USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 20:49:06 (MDT)

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I might be wrong from what hear from other vets Brothers say that the VA is diffrent around the country. I don't want to see any of the Vetrean programs go but we need to be made aware of what is avaiable to us. I think we need to get together on this organize our efforts. Work with your local organizations and VA. I am going through this VA thing now and I wish it could be handled maybe in another way. I call it VA trauma. Ihope i haven't been talkin and not knowing what I am sayin but that is the way I feel right now. Flight be careful out there
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, AZ USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 20:39:17 (MDT)

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I must agree with Jim. I too, as most of you know ,am an RN at the Salisbury NC VAMC. As Jim said we need to stay together and work to keep these places open. Since I have enough time to retire it is not a personal thing with me either. Write your congressman etc expressing your feelings. If he doesn't seem to be doing the job remember the veteran vote is a powerful one. There are so many out there that need the VAs help if for know other reason they have no where else to go. There is no bonus down where Jim and I and our friends work. I think the kinship we feel with the vets keeps most of us coming back day after day. Today, out of the five staff we had for 29 pts 4 of us were vets. As Jim says with the RN shortage we have in this country we have daily opportunities to go elsewhere but do not want to. I am sorry that some of you have had bad trips to the VA. If there is anything I can do to help you know where to find me. We may be one hell of a long way from Lane and RVN but, to use someone elses phrase we are and always will be a "BAND OF BROTHERS"!
jeff sauers
USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 15:48:36 (MDT)

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Please friends, I speak from my heart. Tell me of our differences, but do not personally attack me because I'm not a Veteran. I am on your side at all times. Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 15:13:59 (MDT)

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Jim, there are, of course, many exceptions within the VA system,and many of them are part of the nursing staff. God bless you and the work you do for our Veterans. You are an angel and worthy of more than a service medal. I pray my work is an meaningful as yours. But, dear friend, I volunteer two nights a week at the VA in Milwaukee and see way too many, well, suffice it to say. I see to much shit. It breaks my heart. I of course cannot say too much because I would be asked to leave and then not be there at all for my Veterans. But there are many of "us" out there who have just about had it and are ready to do more than just vote for the next liar to get into office. Cutting of staff, closing of VA's, etc. goes on and on, while the VA Directors receive a bonus for coming in under budget....makes me so angry! I hope I'm not opening a can of worms, but we need to be vigilant and very knowledgeable of all that is going on today, or you will be without the best health care available, which is what all of you deserve. Always a sister to our Veterans-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 15:04:17 (MDT)

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A couple months ago, including military time, I recieved a 20 year service pin from the Sheridan VA. I would like to think that during that time, I have rendered good service. I am sorry for some of the negative experiences that some of you have had. The only way to effect positive change is to lobby for it!!! through your vets service organizations (VFW, DAV, American Legion). IT seems at this time we are downsizing & closing unit after unit & I hate this. It severly limits what I can do. WE are the only group that have a special system for hospitals etc. IT is budgeted # 2or 3 in the cabinets but I bet congress would like to have that money back. So I say to you, try to make it better, don't try to close it. This is not personal, by the way. I am a good RN & with the shortage in the country I can find suitable employment about anywhere. This is about Veterans. I stay there because of the feelings I have for you. Please don't make me apologize for that service pin. Remember I love you all, especially you, you crazy bastard Fred Alvis!!!!!!! Yours; Smitty
james westwang <westwang@fiberpipe.net>
Sheridan, wy USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 14:02:56 (MDT)

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Talkin Baseball and the VA, I did the "thorazine shuffle" one time in a VA hospital, and the LAST TIME. Chillicothe,Ohio, what a "animal house" that place was, more shit goin on in there, than "on the streets". Never Again!!!!!! Talkin Baseball!!! Actually I would love to see Minnesota win the American League, just to"stick it" in Bud Selig ear!!!!! My team Cleveland going back to the 40 year rebuilding process(Cleveland went 43 years between World Series appearances) and my "other team" Cincinnati, well they are a couple of pitchers and a year away from being a good team. To all the Yankee fans, George S. is from Cleveland,Ohio and your triple A affiliate is Columbus, Ohio. So I`ve seen most of your "superstars" come through the minors. The Braves, they are becoming like the "old Dodgers", I`m starting to hate them. They win to much!!!!!!! Diamondbacks, it`s a bit early to yell "dynasty", plus Johnson and Schilling only got a couple more good years. Just being a "sports freak" Later.......
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, N.C. USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 13:34:52 (MDT)

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Hello to my brothers and sisters just want to say hi I went to a shrink not VA one she seems to think I have PSTD bad wants me to see a consler once a week I see a VA shrink on the 8th maybe he will cut back the drugs I let u know and a speiial thanks to a sister named Gently about all the pills thank u for caring well you all take care Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
street, MD USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 10:48:22 (MDT)

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The Yankees aren't much better than the mets an the Dbacks just clobbered the Mets. Heeeeeeeeee
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 09:45:31 (MDT)

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Rick, Rick, Even if the Diamond backs win their championship game, they will still have to face the Yankees again and i don't think they can pull that off again.
Robbie <hobbes@kodak.com>
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 08:19:33 (MDT)

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I think the Diamondbacks will give the Braves a run for thier money in the World champ. games.
Rick England <bd431@mindspring.com>
Wittmann, AZ USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 07:39:43 (MDT)

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Good morning my friends. Ray, I'm concerned about all of those pills. The VA is notorius for over-pilling our Veterans-please make sure you need to take them, you understand why you're taking them, and the side effects to them. Did you know that 25% of all the doctors within the VA system have criminal records and couldn't get a job anywhere else!? So, pay attention and get answers to your questions-know your medications. Don't allow them to make a zombie out of you. I love you guys and I worry about your buying into the VA way of doing things. I'm glad its there for you-but its far from the best care you could be getting. You need to stay in control of your health issues. I'm so upset with the whole VA system and its leaders that a hunger protest in front of our VA in Milwaukee for better care and treatment of my Veterans may be in my future! Be careful. Always a sister-Gently
Gently <jsinger@uwm.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 07:38:33 (MDT)

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What do you mean DOES ATLANTA HAVE A TEAM! They have the best team. Talk about air lifting hookers. When we went down in Bulldog 435. I drove the Hooch Maid truck for awhile and as I remember it when I made my morning run I sometimes had to take some back into town. But we didn't do that that would have been against regulations. Hmmm I must have been dreaming. Love All. I was in Cobras last part of 69 and I remember a Shoemacker as King Cobra, loved to fly 010, liked the 40MM. Damn good pilot to. Lord did we ever do some crazy things. Got to go to work I'm at my office I just need to get some work done.
Ron Cooper <ronsusan@intop.net>
out in the sticks, MS USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 07:18:37 (MDT)

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Hello Flight, how's everyone doing today? I hadn't visited the site for a few days, and i agree with Ron Cooper, if you don't check every day, you got some catching up to do. Allan Hewitt, I would love to hear that story about the airlift of the Hookers from another point of view. Also, if you were KING COBRA in 69, I believe i have one of your patches in my posession. Could pass it along to you at the next reunion, or Send it out to you either one. Don't know how i ended up with it but have taken very good care of it all these years. Well, i've put my two MPC's in for the day. Ray, Hang in there Man. As Gale Beard said We're your family and we love you. Keep the commo coming into here. Rob
Robbie <hobbes@kodak.com>
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 07:02:43 (MDT)

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Kim, Atlanta`s up by 17 1/2 games!!!!!!!! I`m pulling for Boston to get by"The Bambino`s Curse" and go all the way.
Freddie
USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 21:50:59 (MDT)

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I didn't think Atlanta had a ball team.....I thought they just rented the Yankees a few times a year. HA
Kim La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 20:30:17 (MDT)

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Hello everyone, Frank good to here from you and yes I don't post as often but I read it 2 or 3 times a day, man when you are gone for a couple of days theres a lot of commo to catch up on. Went to Atlanta to watch a Braves game. We're from Georgia and my wife had never been to a baseball game, grat way to spend a saturday afternoon. If that hooch has air conditioning (windows open breeze comming off Quen yon bay) its worth more.
Ron Cooper <ronsusan@intop.net>
out in the sticks, MS USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 09:32:36 (MDT)

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Jeff, With a 5-holer latrine, I think Katy would be crazy not to give you a home equity loan. Ha! Gale
Gale <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 09:07:14 (MDT)

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hello borthers well Iwent to VA shrink all he did was medicate me I take 13 pills aday Tehy also took a agent orange test will know soon also fiiled for PSTD but dontexpet nothing sitill get lost and not working MY Dr says Iam not metally readif I all reay told you sorry I forger every thing but I let you all know thanks for reading Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwating@aol.com>
Street MD, MD USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 08:50:03 (MDT)

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DOES ANYONE THINK KATEY COULD GET ME A HOME EQUITY LOAN ON MY HOOCH? IT SHOUD BE WORTH SOMETHING. AFTER ALL IT HAD COLD RUNNING WATER, A LATRINE(5 HOLER) WITHIN 75 YARDS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CLUB. CAN,T FORGET THE 12" FAN AND THE SCREENED IN PORCH LOOK. BUT BEST OF ALL WAS THE HALLWAY SHOWER THAT ONLY GAVE YOU A SMALL ELECTRICAL SHOCK ONCE IN A WHILE. WE NEVER DID FIGURE THAT OUT BUT WHAT THE HELL IT SORTA HELPED CURE THE TERMINAL HANGOVER SYNDROME.HAVE A GOOD DAY FLIGHT!
jeff
USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 08:35:57 (MDT)

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Good morning Ray! The best way to keep in contact with everyone is right here. I'm sure that most of us check in here regularly even if we don't respond. Remember Ray that anything you leave in here is read by all of us....your brothers and sisters. Take care and have a good day. Gale
Gale Beard 67-68 <beardatpaige1@cs.com>
Clinton, In US of A - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 08:05:48 (MDT)

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Hey Katy.....when were you in VietNam???
Gale
USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 07:58:27 (MDT)

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Just want to Say hello to all I write to xome and get nothing back Mark did you get the pics I sent I just want to heep in touch with u all thank you all take care ok Ray
Ray Gagner <stilwaiting@aol.com>
Street, MD USA - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 07:57:46 (MDT)

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Just want to relay a story from my wife. Seems she was going into a grocery store, when an older guy walks past my Jeep. He's still standing there when she comes out. He'd seen the VHCMA sticker on the side window, and, asked if she was related to someone who flew helicopters. She said no, just a crewchief. He asked if it was on hueys. She said yes, I think so. He said...tell him he walks on water! Seems he was in special forces, and, had his and his buddies gonads pulled out of some tight situations, back in Nam. Now, I never got involved with any hot extractions of SF types during my 6 months in the Cobras. To any who were, especially in the slicks, there's someone in Maine who hasn't forgotten... Kim
Kim La Voie <kimlav@megalink.net>
Livermore , Me USA - Sunday, August 04, 2002 at 18:37:11 (MDT)

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Barry, I flew doorgunner with Chip McGregor in 68' until I think early 69'..when I went with Lt. Stout to Flight Operations...he took over as Flight Operations Officer..and I took over the Sr. Flight Operations Specialist until I got an early out in June 69' I flew a total of about a year on 010. Memory fails me now..but I had another Crew Chief after Chip took over as Platoon Sgt. A black Crew Chief..believe his name was McNeal...he was a helluva Crew Chief as was Chip. Flew with some awesome guys..Chip, Joe Johnson, Ted Motsinger, Gary Lamb, Ted Gustavson, James Harris, Kinney, Broadwater, Weymouth, Lawyer, Anderson, just to name a few...and the Pilots were tops....those were "our" days.... I spent a total of about 6 years in-country. After my early out..I returned with Lockheed...then worked for RMK-BRJ...Alaskan Barge..and a few others before I finally left in 72' Have never experienced the comaraderie since Vietnam....more later.
Don Johnson <Cobra_010@hotmail.com>
Oklahoma City, OK USA - Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 18:43:30 (MDT)

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Good Evening Flight!!!!! Finally back on-line...... lightning struck in the neighborhood somewhere and "zapped the modem" in our "puter". We had " surge protection" plugged in, but the phone line got my modem. Had to "re-boot" everything!!!!! Fred Brown, I`ll be calling you my friend. I like phone calls better than e-mail. Well glad to see everyones gabbing! You`re Never Behind When Your A Head!!!!!!!!!!!! Freddie
Freddie Skaggs <ac459429@earthlink.net>
Raleigh, N.C. USA - Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 18:29:33 (MDT)

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Hi Allan Hewitt - Good to hear from you again. The last time I saw you was around the Company area of the 129th. We were both getting ready to rotate back to the States. In case you don't rember my name, I was Flt Plt Sgt, 2d Plt, 238th Ariel Wpns Co at Ft Riley & came over with the Company to An Khe. I got infused to the l29th in Sep 69 & was Flt Plt Sgt, Cobra Plt until I rotated in Mar 70. Capt. Cooty was my Plt Leader at the 238th & again at the 129th. Do you know for sure what happened to him? I know he was hurting when he left the area. There are a few guys on the 129th net, 69-70 time frame, they just don't talk as much as some of the others. Barry Winkler & Ron Cooper (Hi Guys) were in the Cobra Plt with us, to name a couple. Again, good to hear from you, you know I think trying to train a Gun Ship Company in the middle of the winter at Ft Riley Kns. was about as rough as combat don't you? All of you in our 129th Family, take care, talk later. Frank
Frank Loveday <bluecobra@dav.net.>
Bastrop, La USA - Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 14:06:14 (MDT)

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I was crew chief on tiger wagon 600 My first slick was 351.WE CALLED IT RUBBER DUCK.It was my secont time over there.Larry Brewster was crew chief and I was gunner.I have never forgot Nolin if he had his chicken plats on he be here today.
Arthur Foster
Lagrange, GA USA - Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 00:57:46 (MDT)

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A great debt of Gratitude to Larry Jackson for the Web Site. For "Robbie" if you want to know about all those stories of the Hookers and how they got out of the Lane Compound that early, early morning, I know the real story, I was the A/C. As for the Deer, Pigs, Pheasants & Peacocks, we harvested our share. All the proceeds (sale to vietnamese) went to helping improve the hooches in the Cobra Den (water heaters, wood, concrete, etc.). I have sent Pics to Larry and when they are posted, you may see a lot of friends who haven't yet found or contacted the 129th site. The best thing we can do is try and locate other Cobras and Bulldogs that have not seen this fabulous web site. There are especially a lot of members who served in the 1968 to 1970 time frame that haven't found the site. Please keep up the good work and try find any former members you can. There appears to be some missing pieces in history of the 129th during the 68-69 era and hopefully some of those members can put those pieces together. Anyway, to all those who served with me in the 129th, thanks for your support. It was you who made the Company the best in Country, couldn't have had a better unit to serve in. Allan Hewitt (King)
Allan Hewitt <abhewitt@earthlink.net>
Tavares, FL USA - Friday, August 02, 2002 at 07:30:32 (MDT)

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Just thought I would write a few lines. To begin with,CUPS, I am handling that favor this Friday, I let you know the outcome. To those who got me in touch with this site and all of my 129th Family "Thanks". I am really surprised at the number of the family who are are here in Florida. I am really charged up and looking forward to next year's reunion, it will rate up there at the top of my favorite things to look forward to along with Bike week and Biketober Fest in Daytona. Mark glad to read you are geting back on two wheels, I know how that is cuz I feel closed in when I get into a car. I will sign off for now, clear up right the Former California Dreamer.
Dennis Fuerstenau <dfuerst_2000@yahoo.com>
Davenport, FL USA - Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 19:31:53 (MDT)

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Alex: Thanks for the kind soul. It takes a special person to reach out to those that are about to pass on. You know that you make us proud of you and the work you're involved in. Thanks. KTF (Poppasan)
C.P. Bloomfield
Lebanon, MO USA - Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 15:05:27 (MDT)

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Flight: Glad to see the commo. And everyone is doing ok!! Just wanted to take a minute to let everyone know that our Vietnam Brother of The VHCMA Lloyd Godwin Passed away at 9:30 AM Weds. 7/31/2002.Lloyd served with the 176thahc & the 3/17th cav. a trp. I was glad to have the opportunity to visit with his family on the evening of the 7/30/2002. Lloyd will be missed by his Brothers and Friends. As President We noe have a Sick call segment on the VHCMA site. But, as the 129th unit, if anyone is ill. We need to know. So we can send card or even make phone call to let our Brothers and Sisters know were here for them. Always A Brother Alex
Alex Fernwalt <alfernwal@midsouth.rr.com>
Memphis, TN. USA - Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 14:31:32 (MDT)

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