Sing Along fokes OLD HIPPIE (BELLAMY BROTHERS) Lyrics: 1. He turned thirty-five last Sunday In his hair he found some gray But he still ain't changed his lifestyle He likes it better the old way So he grows a little garden in the back yard by the fence He's consuming what he's growing nowadays in self defense He get's out there in the twilight zone Sometimes when it just don't make no sense 2. He gets off on country music Cause disco left him cold He's got young friends into new wave Buts he's just too friggin old And he dreams at night of Woodstock And the day John Lennon died How the music made him happy And the silence made him cry Yea he thinks of John sometimes And he has to wonder why CHORUS: He's an old hippie And he don't know what to do Should he hang on to the old Should he grab on to the new He's an old hippie His new life is just a bust He ain't trying to change nobody He just trying real hard to adjust 3. He was sure back in the sixties That everyone was hip Then they sent him off to Vietnam On his senior trip And they forced him to become a man While he was still a boy And in each wave of tragedy He waited for the joy Now this world may change around him But he just can't change no more CHORUS 4. Well he stays away a lot now From the parties and the clubs And he's thinking while he's joggin' 'round Sure is glad he quit the hard drugs Cause him and his kind get more endangered everyday And pretty soon the species Will just up and fade away Like the smoke from that torpedo Just up and fade away
Bill French 68-69 <Frenchie745@(RemoveThis).comcast.net>
SAV, USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:53:28 (MDT)
Just came from watching Ted Koppel's Nightline: a reading of names and showing of photos of all U.S. soliders that have died in Iraq. Pretty sobering stuff. I weigh in on this as "required veiwing" for all American citizens. While America as a whole supported this action, we were not asked nor expected to sacrifice anything, we should at least have to see the faces and hear the names of the real flesh and blood people that sacrificed everything in carrying out a war our government 'choose' to initiate; not just the impersonal sanitized reports of "2 Marines shot...5 soldiers bombed."
C.B.
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:50:19 (MDT)
"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield."....from George Orwell's 1946 essay "In Frontof Your Nose"...... Today, May 1, 2004 is 1st anneversary of Dubya's "Mission Accomplished" photo-op on the USS Lincoln. ....Yesterday, April 30, 2004 was the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon to the NVA. We all remember that "Peace with Honor"! photo-op!
C.B.
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:30:14 (MDT)
Political correctness demands we no longer call them towel heads. They arent towels,point of fact is that they are small sheets. So now we must call them sheet heads.
alvis
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 20:37:11 (MDT)
for those of you driving here for the reunion. petrol prices are running between 1.68 and 1.89 a gallon for the cheap stuff. got 5 dollars worth of gas today,was 2.7 gallons.sigh.I thought we won that war.
alvis
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 20:33:49 (MDT)
Animal, I couldn't agree with you more, energy independence is vital to national security, the government has policies concerning the manufacture or most military equipment, it has to be made here, in the event of war we have to know that we can get the equipment we need. The military runs on POL, its too obvious. Did you see the movie "The Formula" with George C. Scott? The great line from that movie was " WE are the Arabs".
jim
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 19:35:59 (MDT)
I just got in from Bangor Maine this afternoon. A fella named Gale Cole has his own land transportation museum up there, and has just finished sticking a pole up the hell hole of 915. It's about fifteen feet in the air, in a takeoff position. The place is on the web, cole land transportation museum. I'm sure he will be more than happy ( he's a native mainer) to explain all the nuances of acquiring one of those things. There have been religeous wars going on in that part of the world for centuries, and, guess what? The christians haven't won too many of them! Now, we're looking at pictures of American's abusing prisoners!!! And we're the "good Guys?" Of course, we all know that American's don't mistreat others, don't commit war crimes, put band aids on folks after we've killed them. It must be a propaganda stunt! In reality, we'd be ignoring that part of the world, if we weren't addicted to oil, no one would have given a sweet damn how brutal hui san was, just as we don't care how brutal the asswipes are in so many other places!.....like so many times before, lower class kids are dying so that the upper class one's can get richer, and, to add insult to injury, they're the one's who will be paying for it!!!! Give tax cuts to the richest in our country, and run a deficit instead of paying as we go!!! What a country!!!! Was it P.T. Barnum who said that "there's a sucker born every minute?"
Kim
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 18:28:04 (MDT)
You're right about the oil Jim. If we didn't need it, they'd just be a bunch of camel humpers on the way to the bazaar. The sad fact is we shouldn't need it. Modern technology has the potential to bypass fossil fuels and there's only one reason we don't do it. FOLLOW THE MONEY! The same people that wage war for oil seem to be the ones that profit the most from it. I hate terrorists and religous fundamentalists of all persuasions. It seems to me the best way to neutralize them is to develop alternative energy sources and let them bathe in their crude oil. The oil industry spends billions to convince us otherwise. This is my opinion and it in no way represents the opinions of those who disagree. ( How's that for a disclaimer?) Peace.... Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 17:08:52 (MDT)
Fred, have you ever met someone with opposition disorder, no matter what you say they will argue it, you say up they say down, when you get people stuck on their position of rightness they will do everything they can to make you wrong so they can be right.People who are raised in a F&5@ed up fear based culture usually turn out to be just plain mean, to me thats the difference between a redneck and a good lo' boy, rednecks are just plain mean. It doesn't make any difference what we do, we are going to be wrong, we are the Infidel and the big kid on the block. Somalia is a good example of a culture that doesn't work if they haven't learned to survive then Darwin was right and we should let nature take its course, As for the middle east these scumbags ( for the most part)are going to hate us no matter what we do, in Kuwait there is a big anti-American sentiment, F&%K em, if its wasn't for the oil we wouldn't have a need for any of em.But thats just my opinion I could be wrong. LOL
jim
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 15:22:23 (MDT)
Well pictures released of "bad treatment" of Iraqi prisoners of war, sure ain`t gonna help our soldiers over there. It`s just gonna inflame the Islamic nations more toward us. So much for winning "hearts and minds".
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 04:58:25 (MDT)
I have an idea. Why don't we buy a couple hundred acres and the Pop-A-Top and a gunship and a slick. We could have the'Top moved to the north 40 and sell chopper rides. Kinda like a Jim and Tammy Fae amusement world! I just KNOW the fed's would give us a non-profit tax number for the charitable cause that it is. After all, we didn't get a parade! Regards, C.B.
C.B.
USA - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 22:54:28 (MDT)
Animal/Baron... I gotta say that I like the land idea for more than a few reasons, one of which is that there are certain tax advantages (at least in Colorado) by turning the property into a "conservation easement". By doing so, the land cannot ever be subdivided/developed. A good tax consultant or maybe a CPA could give us a better idea. Like Kim said there is a lot of expense to an aircraft by NOT flying it, as well as flying it. Corporate sponsorship is our only hope there, I think. Real property is a relatively lower maintenance (and less costly) headache depending on the current and planned use. A hunting and fishing place (something with a lake or creek and trees) and a "GC" constructed lodge would be great. Fred S. looking forward to seeing my "prize"!
Dave
USA - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 14:59:13 (MDT)
Baron, If I can hunt with you I will crew anything. I will certainly put my efforts into helping with whatever the group wants to do in creating a not for profit organization or any organization that would be needed to get a huey bearing the 129th's image going. I had read someone's posting about getting a tax i.d. number. I would not do that until some other important hurdles are jumped. It is needed for a 501 c 3 status but so are Articles of Incorporation, a business plan (that may need a two year projected budget), and by-laws of the organization. None of those things have to be complex, they just have to be what the group agrees to. After all that stuff is drafted and ready to send off to the Gov't, then get a tax i.d. I say that because then the IRS looks for the organization to file tax documents. They will give you time to get off the ground but that is why you would need to have a good treasurer to stay on top of that stuff. Anyway hunting is definitely more fun. I got one doe last year from 90 yards with a 50 cal Knight D.I.S.C. muzzle loader. My second was a scrub buck with a one oz. slug round, Mossberg Shotgun.
Tom Ragonese
USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 23:01:15 (MDT)
Three men die and go to Heaven, St. Peter tells them, before I let you in you must tell me the Easter story, the first guy says, the Easter story is about this guy Christopher Columbus who flew in a slay pulled by 8 reindeer and he landed at Plymouth Rock, so every year at Easter he flies around shooting off fireworks and handing out turkeys. St. Peter sends him down. The second guy says, the Easter story is about this guy Santa Clause and he sailed in this ship call the Nina to the Statue of Liberty and now every year on the 4th of July he goes around in a scary costume giving candy to Irish men. St. Peter sends him down. The last guy says, the Easter story is about a man named Jesus Christ who lived about 2000 years ago, he did a lot of preaching about God and brotherly love, these men called the Romans killed him, so his followers put him in a tomb, now every year on Easter his follower gather outside his tomb, they wait for him to come out and watch to see whether or not he sees his shadow.
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 21:29:16 (MDT)
Morning hunt our private land in pristine Lake county Mi.. nestled in the heart of the Manistee National Forrest. Lake county has 156 lakes , 43 trout streams, and a healthy White Tail population. After a home made breakfast of bacon, sausage, eggs to order and my special recipe whole wheat blueberry pancakes with maple syrup, we fire up the Mike Model for destination Ohio. We pick up Fred Skaggs and the current tunes and head over to the Pop-a-Top for lunch. We're back at the lodge in plenty of time for the evening hunt. Good idea Animal, you can take care of the fuel samples . I'll cook breakfast. If someone can find us a suitable crew, we could be back in business.
Baron
USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 19:47:01 (MDT)
Gale/Animal, I really like your idea of an R&R get away. Lee works entirely too much and would really enjoy some hunting and fishing. I can udnerstand the excitment about buying a helicopter (after my ride in Atlanta) but why don't you consider working with that group who gave the rides, The Army Aviation Heritage Foundation. They were looking for volunteers and support. Some of you might still have their brochure from the Atlanta reunion, take a look at it again. Just an idea. Lee & I are looking forward to seeing everyone at Indy, Carolyn Wood
Carolyn Wood` <CWood86700@aol.com>
Dayton, OH USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 10:54:02 (MDT)
Animal must agree with you on the cost of getting a huey for a stactic disply. As president of the vhcma. The vhcma memorial designs all had static displays. First- you have the cost of the disply. second- state,county and city regulations/ codes. Third- insurance and maintence up keep. The only way is to get corprate funding for project. And as with the vhcma project. Corprate funding isn't out there. It would be great to have our own memorial to the Brothers of 129th. And right now the Pop-A-Top is it. Glad to see that some at least checking into some of the project that are being brought up here. See you all in Indy. Alex
Alex
USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 09:27:18 (MDT)
slow hand salute, with deepest respecr, to shaw,strother and stamper.I will look for your huey on fiddlers green.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 08:02:38 (MDT)
Animal....................I like that idea, yeh........Ilike it. Something for all to enjoy. Gale
Gale
USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 07:58:31 (MDT)
Brothers Baron(Gary) and Animal(Greg), I like what both of you have to say, you both know that!!! First of all, being a person that has held on to all the properties that I`ve bought over the years, and turn them into rental properties. I love the idea of land, as my mother always said," God ain`t making no more of that". As far as a helicopter....that sounds real good also......the investment could pay-off by by using it at military functions and so forth.....of course we would have to charge a fee. As far as a "static display" at the Pop-A-Top, we need Mark to tell us what the status is of the Top. I forget if he owns the building and land. It might be wise to invest in buying the Top.....if Mark would sell....that`s his dream. I`m not done living yet....so I would love to see "something" materialize. It might cause a debate with my wife.....but we`ve live thru that shit before. My in-laws have 2400 acres of prime farm land....that they want to pass on to two daughters....that don`t farm. And my sister-in-law isn`t married....so I want to get my hands on some of that land. It`s not a point of greed....it`s a point of need.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 05:13:14 (MDT)
I hate to piss in anyone's fuel sample, but it seems to me that a helicopter is a terribly expensive item to aquire and maintain. Don't get me wrong, if we decided to make that commitment, I would donate what resources I could afford. But here's another idea to kick around. What if we raised about half of what a Huey costs, and got a piece of property in the middle of the country to meet, R&R, fish, hideout or whatever. The same non-profit status, by-laws etc could apply, but it would be less expensive to maintain, and easier for everyone to use. Maybe it could eventually be passed on to our brother vets of later generations. There's a website called "United Country.com" that specializes in rural properties of all types. Just a thought.......Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 22:45:38 (MDT)
FYI, I recieved a reply yesterday from my recent request for information from Garlick Helicopters. ( www.garlickhelicopters.comrotorcraft.htm) GHI has available a Super-B Model N9478 mid to low time remaining components. Approximately $325,000.00 . Gentleman also said GHI has a Mike- model hull that could be made available. Anyone who is interested can check out their website. They have a beautiful facility, lots of experience and 22 hueys in stock. Thanks to ,Dave Powers, for this information.
Baron
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 19:35:41 (MDT)
April 27,1972 west of OP1 AnKhe, pass as I understand it they were flying low level down the valley so the could pop up onto OP1, Charlie/NVA had the place registered,as I heard their rotor blade hit a tree, 1st LT. Thomas Shaw and WO1 Claud Strother, may you rest in peace. Bruno Sanchez and Bernie Hernandez, welcome home Brothers.
jim
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 17:30:55 (MDT)
April 14,1972 east of the An Khe pass below OP1 there was a CA in progress when we heard,"taking fire" and then "we have a KIA", it was SP4 David Stamper 1st Flt. he was on the right side so his gunner could use his mini-gun, he was wearing a Chicken plate, but the rounds hit him in the right side between the 2 plates,they were just able to get out of the LZ,they landed at the ROK base camp,after we removed Stamper, they tried to fly the slick out but the torque needle red lined, I checked the particle seperator it was shot up and of course the engine ingested the all the loose metal. Some gave all.
jim
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 17:15:56 (MDT)
Yes, Diane, 4/27/72. I hope the three of you get to talk tonight. Bruno, Bernie...we"re glad you're with us. Very glad. R.I.P Tom and Claud. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 17:08:58 (MDT)
Just a note to say hello to Bernie and Bruno on this anniversary date. I have been thinking of you two all day. It is a warm spring day today, just like this day in 1972. Take care, Diane
Diane Strother Moy <df78759@aol.com>
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 14:58:18 (MDT)
Thanks Fred I am still a helivet just haven't been onin awhile. puter to slow for them waiting for new to be finished and maybe get a modem that is faster. Shakey and I have been room mates for the past 3 years at the reunion also swashplate. Rick was in the 57th AHC during easter offensive. swashplate was in the I think the 79 ara. 101st. Be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:05:50 (MDT)
Yeah Shakey!!!!
Gently
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 11:41:27 (MDT)
Information has it that lane is now a base for armor.Rick England, fellow named shaky..vogel was asking about you.Says he will be at the reunion this year.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 08:22:21 (MDT)
As a Viet-Nam Combat Vet....I respect history BAGHDAD Ý It's one of the loneliest places in Baghdad - the British military cemetery, where hundreds of forlorn gravestones attest to the price of imperialism in Iraq. In 1920, a Shiite revolt erupted against British occupiers, who had arrived in Mesopotamia at the start of World War I. Britain pushed out Ottoman forces, but didn't move fast enough to create a promised new nation state. The uprising surprised the British, left more than 2,200 occupation troops and an estimated 8,450 Iraqis dead or wounded - and cost, by one account, three times as much as British financing of the entire Arab revolt against the Ottomans. Today the US faces the same dilemma that dogged the British: How to grant self-rule to Iraqis as promised, while keeping overall control. Despite rhetoric from Washington that it will transform Iraq into a democratic beacon in the Mideast, few Iraqis believe the US is sincere. "When the British came to Baghdad in 1917, they declared that 'We are here as liberators, not occupiers.' That is the same statement the Americans have made," says Ghassan Atiyyah, an expert on the 1920 revolt and head of the Iraq Foundation for Development and Democracy. "Iraqis thought the British were sincere about it, and they proved to have other designs. [Today] Iraqis are asking: 'How could America get rid of Saddam in three weeks, and have no elections in 11 months?' " The British relied on air power to quell dissent - at great cost to the civilian population and to its credibility. Americans, too, are often accused of heavy-handed tactics while hunting Saddam Hussein loyalists and anticoalition guerrillas. British cabinet papers from 1921 raised doubt about keeping "peaceful control of Mesopotamia" if it "ultimately depends on our intention of bombing women and children." In his memoirs, the British commander in charge of quelling the revolt, Lt. Gen. Sir Aylmer Haldane, wrote in 1922 of the "vanity of what we undertook," in confiscating 63,000 rifles from Iraqi tribes. The Iraqis "not only rearmed themselves but acquired weapons of more modern type," Gen. Haldane lamented, leading him to conclude of Mesopotamia that "it is folly to think, not in one year but even in many years, to draw the teeth of its inhabitants." Historian Paul Rish, in an introduction to Haldane's memoirs, indicates that one method that contributed to the 1920 revolt and future unrest was a British plan that "relied heavily on putting pliable but unpopular Arabs in sham authority." That view echoes complaints today among Iraqis that the Governing Council is a tool of US policy, under Washington's thumb in the same way that powerful British advisers decades ago controlled handpicked Iraqi ministers. The British ensured a 96 percent landslide for their chosen new Sunni monarch, King Faisal I, by inviting his chief opponent to tea, and then whisking him off to exile in British-ruled Ceylon. "Arab rule" had arrived in name only. King Faisal despaired in a secret memo in 1933 that his government was "far and away weaker than the people," who were "unimaginable masses of human beings devoid of any patriotic ideas ... prone to anarchy, and perpetually ready to rise against any government whatsoever." The British-devised monarchy of Iraq lasted until its overthrow in 1958. "[The Americans] should draw parallels from the British experience," says Saad Jawad, a political scientist at the University of Baghdad. "Not only are they insisting on ruling Iraq on their own, but [like] the British, gave promises they did not fulfill." The British expected to be greeted with open arms by Iraqis after forcing out Ottoman troops. But instead they found fierce resentment - precisely the misjudgment made by American planners, who believed that gratitude over the fall of Saddam Hussein would overcome Iraqi uneasiness about a new occupation. "The British saw the Shia religious establishment in the 1920s as a direct rival for power, so they fled back into the arms of the Sunni elite," says Toby Dodge, at the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London. Despite London's detailed efforts to win the support of tribes, anti-British resentment grew to the point where Iraq's majority Shiite and Sunnis put aside their differences, and unified. Likewise, US Administrator Paul Bremer, in his effort to scrub away Hussein's Baath regime, has given reason to broaden anti-US resistance. "Bremer thought he would rule directly ... but [the Americans] started making mistakes. They dissolved the Army, thinking they could [handle security] themselves," says Dr. Atiyyah. There is no Arabic word for de-Baathification, and the closest one for this uncompromising policy means "uprooting." That "smacks of Baathist rule," adds Atiyyah. "The Americans were so clever with these policies of creating enemies, and [wound up] uniting enemies - the Army, the Baathists, and Sunnis." If the US hasn't learned not to create enemies, Iraq's majority Shiites certainly have. So far, Shiites have made their complaints about the US without violence. They sacrificed during the 1920 revolt, Iraqis say, lost power and gained nothing. General Haldane states in his memoirs that Iraqis "respect nothing but force," but he also notes his surprise that "resentment is small or wears off quickly." He writes of "princely hospitality" while snipe shooting with hundreds of sheikhs, including "those who stood by us during the insurrection, and others, a far greater number, who took up arms against us at the time." Iraqis today share such mixed emotions about the US presence. "The first lie of the Bush administration is that they are liberators, but in fact they are occupiers," says Haj-Muhammad al-Khashallee, owner of Baghdad's Shabandar Café, which decorates its aged walls with historical photographs. "If they are sincere enough to make Iraq their friend by handing over power to the Iraqi people, then good." Who else will protect the Kurds from the Turks? Who will protect the Sunnis from Shia hegemony? The secular from the Islamist?
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 06:38:18 (MDT)
Animal(Greg), yea Duane Allman did most the "slide work" on the Layla album, and some duel lead with Clapton. What a pair!!! Saw a BBC interview last night with reporters working in Iraq, question was ask, "Why they were not showing the "good things" we are doing in Iraq"? As one reporter for Time Magazine put it, "It`s too damn dangerous"!!!! Also it was said, not compare the Iraqi war to Viet-Nam, but to the occupation by the British in 1917. The Iraqi`s arose up to a revolution against the British.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 04:39:13 (MDT)
Not all but a lot of the Marines I've met ask for it, they come off with this "there no such thing as an ex-marine only a former marine" crap. The Corps really brainwashes them well, which of course is the entended purpose, they hold out that carrot, make them want it bad enough then when they're hooked they can tell them to do anything.But what would we do without them its too easy to make fun of the Air Force and Navy.An Army Ranger was on vacation in the depths of Louisiana and he wanted a pair of genuine alligator shoes in the worst way, but was very reluctant to pay the high prices the local vendors were asking. After becoming very frustrated with the "no haggle" attitude of one of the shopkeepers, the Ranger shouted, "maybe I'll just go out and get my own alligator so I can get a pair of shoes at a reasonable price!" The vendor said, "By all means, be my guest. Maybe you will run into a couple of Marines who were in here earlier saying the same thing." So the Ranger headed into the bayou that same day and a few hours later came upon two men standing waist deep in the water. He thought, "those must be the two Marines the guy in town was talking about." Just then, the Ranger saw a tremendously long gator swimming rapidly underwater towards one of the Marines. Just as the gator was about to attack, the Marine grabbed its neck with both hands and strangled it to death with very little effort. Then both Marines dragged it on shore and flipped it on its back. Laying nearby were several more of the creatures. One of the Marines then exclaimed, "Damn, this one doesn't have any shoes either!"
jim
USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 01:21:36 (MDT)
Max, I think the reason the marine aviators gave us "stink eye" (hawaiian phrase) was the ribbing they got at Rucker. We lowly cadets would share a bus with them to the various staging areas, and they made us sit in the back of the bus! That didn't sit to well with most of us so we ragged them unmercifully. "How can a Marine Aviator tell he's made a gear-up landing?"......."By the excessive amount of manifold pressure it takes to taxi off the runway, of course." I also think the Marines resented the fact that they got their flight training from the Army! The Marines weren't the only ones to go through Rucker. The Israelis and Jordanians got their rotary wing training there as well, and at the same time. At least they did in 1970. Go figure. Thanks for the feedback Fred S. My E-mail still doesn't work so this is my only source of info. I first heard "Layla" in the Lane EM company area from a radio tape someone had from WLS Chigago. We listened to it over and over, what a mind blower! I only just found out that Duane Allman played on it as well. Aloha Nui Loa, Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 00:24:49 (MDT)
anyone with pics of the chapel,please send them to me at ghoastrider1@hotmail.com. thanks. As I said, when the nva invaded in 75, and got as far south as lane,they blew up the chapel.Kinda sad I think.
alvis
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:32:58 (MDT)
that is Artillary...you knew that!
C.B.
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:18:05 (MDT)
KIM: Similar feelings here. According to a Captain friend of mine, a company commander, in Iraq for nine months or so, the problems faced daily go directly back to the absence of a plan when we got there. I was surprised to learn he is not only responsible for his company which daily patrols for roadside explosives and conduct night time raids to hunt bad guys. But is also directly in charge of overseeing the local police department, public works projects (schools, power grid, water supply, etc.) and coordinating with the local governmental folks. Oh, and by the way, this is an artiarlly unit. As he puts it, they have no use for their big guns and were never trained to do what they ended up doing.
C.B.
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:15:42 (MDT)
FRANK: I refer to a SFC as "mere" because in the grand scheme of things, they are. The SFC that Jim posted seems to be privy to all things at all levels...I don't think so. An SFC would surely know about and be privy to what is going on in his a/o, but not the entire theatre.
CB
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 20:28:31 (MDT)
.Evenin' everybody........There are 4 pictures of the Chapel in our GALLERY section under "Chapel"......I'm kinda partial to that Chapel because there was a cerimony there for the crew of the "257" there...Alvis...Yeah some of that stone would be nice to have in the Pop-A-Top...Oh Yeah. Fred A.......I will bring the SKS to INDY.......Maybe I can get some stone chips from the Chapel when I am over there next year!.......did I tell you all that I am working now.....see if you can guess what I do. Here is a clue. "I am helping to make the world more beauitiful looking".........good to see everybody in here. Ernie, Frank, Lee, Hey Lee, ya gonna make INDY?...sorry to hear about your friend there in Dayton...C.B.I would like a copy of those Chapel pictures that you have. Can you scan them and send them to me as a JPRG?..I will put them in the GALLERY...take care all, always a brother, Mark
Mark
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 19:53:11 (MDT)
Results of my own UN scientific poll. Iraqi's are upset that the promised jobs never materialized, a truck tire for a Soviet style truck costs 400 dollars, couple months pay. Thus, American trucking outfits have the jobs, pissing the populace off. A friend's girlfriend, just back on leave says that it's wierd, Iraqi's wave and cheer when they drive by, while someone from the back of the crowd takes pot shots at them! The people never move out of the way, so they have a dilemma, either shoot civilians, or...... get shot at! Sound familiar? They can't tell the difference between friend and foe. The electrical production hasn't increased, further enraging the populace, who view American's as liars, full of false promises, unable to deliver. The government has all but given up on recruiting from the general population, and excluding Baath party members, it hasn't worked. The have learned that they need the HATED ENEMY...just to get qualified help! A few members of the 133rd Engineer Battalion are kids I've coached. They lost one killed the other day, and had 4 wounded. They're scared, feel they were not properly trained to deal with being under attack. They're carpenters, truck drivers, equipment operators. NOW, they're getting a crash course in mine avoidance, and ambush busting!!!!! Like Vietnam, there are people over ther who don't care who is in charge, just so they're left alone, other's hate us so bad, they'll do anything to make us miserable. Other's are in it for the money, or the power....so the world goes. Muslim, Christian, kill in the name of religeon, fight for free speech, just so the speech is not against our leaders.....ho hum.....When will they ever learn??? PP&M
kim
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 19:33:47 (MDT)
C.B. you might be suprised at all the info a "mere" SFC is privy to. A "mere" SFC.
Frank Loveday
Bastrop, La. USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 19:31:57 (MDT)
The 180th was also one of our sister companies, It was across road by 18th engineers at Dong Ba Thin.
J.W. Wilson
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 19:11:43 (MDT)
Animal(Greg), I picked up Michael Franti today, great music and social commentary, I love it. I got the newest cd "Everyone Deserves Music". Matt Casey...I finally got Sweet Smoke cd`s, the one from 1970 and one from 1973 and a "live" one from 1974. A little raw, but was recorded when they used just 12 and 16 track recording`s, but real good stuff. Also picked up a RARE "Derek and the Dominos" live at the Fillmore East. It was recorded October 23rd and 24th, 1970.....Great double set.....Never realized "Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs" album was a concept album. It told the tale of Eric Clapton`s then-unrequited love for Patti Boyd, the wife of his best friend, George Harrison!!!!! There`s some trivia for ya. He does a great version of Cream`s " Crossroads".......Dave Powers...your little package is on the way to Colorado, I mailed it Friday. Only YOU can appreciate what`s in it.....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 17:21:52 (MDT)
Alvis, I have two good close up shots of the exterior of the Chapel at Lane. Both are Quartering shots, one taken from the S. E. one from the S. W.. Let me know what you want done with them. G. C.
Gary Carlson
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 14:30:37 (MDT)
Group-while saving/buying items for our Iraqi soldiers keep in mind to save/buy only small single items: large containers only make their packs heavier. Travel size items work the best. L-G
Gently
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 12:44:59 (MDT)
thank you cb, will get with you on this.Its important to him.
alvis
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:55:19 (MDT)
Vietnam war statistics Vietnam Veterans represent 9.7% of their generation 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (Aug.5, 1964 - May 7, 1975) 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug. 5, 1964 - March 28, 1973) 3,403,100 (including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters) 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973) Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964 Of the 2.6 million, between 1 - 1.6 million (40-60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack. 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1969) Hostile deaths: 47,378 Non-hostile deaths: 10,800 Total: 58,202 (includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.) 8 nurses died - only 1 was KIA. Married men killed: 17,539 Average age of men killed in Vietnam: 22.8 years old More 21 year olds were killed than any other age group Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1 for every 100,000 (national average 58.9 for every 100,000 males in 1970) Wounded: 303,704 - 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured required no hospital care. Severely disabled: 23,214 were 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations. Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than in Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII. Missing in Action: 2,338 POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity) 27 million men came of draft age from 1964 to 1972 Total draftees (1965-1973): 1,728,344 Actually served in Vietnam: 38% 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees (In WWII, 67% were draftees; 33% were volunteers) Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died Last man drafted: June 30, 1973 88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian: 10.6% (275,000) were African-American; 1% belonged to other races 86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics); 12.5% (7,241) were African-American; 1.2% belonged to other races 170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam: 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there 70% of enlisted men killed were of Northwest European descent 86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were African-American; 1.1% belonged to other races 14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among African-Americans 34% of African-Americans who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms Overall, African-Americans suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of African-Americans of military age was 13.5% of the total population Religion of Dead: Protestant - 64.4%; Catholic - 28.9%; other/none - 6.7% 26% of combat deaths came from the families in the highest third of income levels 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from middle/working class backgrounds Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds Some 23% of Vietnam veterans had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation) Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South - 31; West - 29; Midwest - 28.4; Northeast - 23.5 97% of Vietnam veterans were honorably discharged 91% of actual Vietnam War era veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country 66% of Vietnam veterans say they would serve again if called upon As of 1985, on 9% of Vietnam veterans had not graduated high school as opposed to 23% of their non-military peers As of 1985, a Vietnam veteran was more likely to have gone to college than a man of his age who did not serve: Vietnam veterans - 30%; non-military peer - 24% In 1985, 8 of every 10 Vietnam veterans were married to their first spouse and 90% had children In every major study of Vietnam veterans where the military records were pulled from the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis and the veterans were then located, an insignificant number had been found in prison. In 1994, the unemployment rate for all males over 18 was 6%; for Vietnam veterans - 3.9% In a study conducted by the Labor Department and Department of Veterans' Affairs - more African-American Vietnam veterans work in white-collar, public-sector jobs than do African-American males who never served.
alvis
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:28:52 (MDT)
Thank You, My friend. My friend in RVN is going to try and get some stone chips from the old chapel. Now, that would be a "sacred" relic. b ........going to write him back to see if I can aquire one of those chips for the "pop a top"
alvis
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:20:45 (MDT)
Another one of Our sister unit was the 117th. Which was across hwy 1. At Dong Ba Thin. The 129th was at the old Special forces/ Arvn compound in nov. 65. first night on guard duty I was with Sgt. Harper he was the medic. Remember some of us stealing steaks and whiskey and went to Cam Rhan. Got a hell of a sun burn. Ho!! James Hydinger was there also with us. Found John Rastetter in Erie Pa. he was wounded in the leg I think just before we rotated back in Nov. He told me that Donald Eagleton passed away afew years ago. Max are you going to try to make Indy??? Glenn stated that Larry Graham is supposed to be Indy. I am still trying to get few more from the 65-66 group. Alex
Alex
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 09:54:04 (MDT)
There is some information about the 129th at http://www.bragg.army.mil/82avn/history.htm
Ernie Gschwender
Lincoln Park, MI USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:34:25 (MDT)
Here's a good wet t-shirt pic. (Ladies its not what you think).... http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_feb2004/WetTShirt.jpg
jim
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:04:55 (MDT)
CB, your right the Army was good at putting out a lot of BS, I'm trying to get this guys e-mail add. and maybe run the stats by an independant observer, I looked over the figures they dont seem to be out of line, I remeber at first there was a lot of press about the water and power problems and now we don't hear anything, I think thats because it been taken care of. I hope with all the money we are spending over there thats some of the infrastucture is being rebuilt.
jim
USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:03:02 (MDT)
ALVIS: It will be awhile until I can find them, but I do have some very good pictures of the chaple: Front, sides and interior. Where do I send them?
CB
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 22:08:11 (MDT)
I was glad to read about what is possibly happening in Iraq. I only wish we could help more people in our own country before we take on the responsibility of rebuilding the middle east.
Sue
OH USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 21:57:43 (MDT)
Lou, I see you already got a pic of George Hain but I thought I would let you know about my web site. it is http://donald_6.tripod.com/129thmiakia1.htm or just click on my name below to take a look at it. there are 3 pages george is on page 3. Later Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 21:41:17 (MDT)
JIM: You need to post this guy's (Ray Reynolds, SFC > Iowa Army National Guard > 234th Signal Battalion) email or address 'cause there is a lot to challenge in what he says. Pretty impressive what all a mere SFC would know about what is going on all over Iraq. When I was in basic training I recall a SFC telling us, "it was a fact that it was safer to go to Vietnam than stay in the USA"...because, as he pointed out, "more people were killed on the highways in the US than were killed in Vietnam during the previous year." He really belived what he was telling us. Just underscores why it's necessary to validate information before it's passed on. It does require some effort to verify this stuff. Question: If a person is too busy to verify information, how do they have time to pass it on? CB
C.B.
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 21:38:04 (MDT)
This is kinda long but for those who are not on VHFCN thought you might like to see it.. Forwarded from a net source > Subject: Real truth about Iraq > > > As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media. They have done a very poor job of covering everything that has happened. > > I am sorry that I have not been able to visit all of you during my two week leave back home. And just so you can rest at night knowing something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with your friends and compare it to the version that your paper is producing) > > Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq. > > Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations. > > Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were stored there so education can occur. > > The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships faster. > > School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war. > > The country had it's first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August. > > The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war. > > 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before the war. > > Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in place. > > Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city. > > Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets. > > Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country. > > Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers. > > Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever. > > Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs. > > An interim constitution has been signed. > > Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq. > > Text books that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years. > > Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there. I have met many many people from Iraq that want us there and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on these facts. So if you happen to run into John Kerry, be sure to give him my email address and send him to Denison, Iowa. This soldier will set > him straight. If you are like me and very disgusted with how this period of rebuilding has been portrayed, email this to a friend and let them know there are good things happening. > > Ray Reynolds, SFC > Iowa Army National Guard > 234th Signal Battalion >
jim
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:18:05 (MDT)
One of our brother rotorheads from helivet is asking if anyone has pics of the chapel at lane. When the nva went into lane, they blew up the chapel. He has a pic of it,sitting forelonley on the top of the hill, minus the roof and a wall or two.He is a religious man, then and now.I invited him into here to ask if any of you have pics (good ones), of it. thanks. thank you for the kind words, gale. She is doing better but still wheezing like an old train. Takes about 20 steps then has to rest, she is out of breath still. At night,when she is sleeping,I can here her breath wheeze,rattle and gurgle in her chest as she trys to breath. A fish out of water comes to mind.Susan is supposed to go back to work tuesday, we will wait and see.
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:01:37 (MDT)
GALE: Yes, the 119th was one of our sister companies, as was the 48th. I don't know where they are now, but will be running some searches later this week, when I get tired of fishing. ALEX: you reminded me of something I've always thought was hilarious: the way those Marine Aviators would glare at us whenever we landed with some of their wounded; it seems they had more restrictive rules about endangering their choppers, so we crossed into 1st Corp area more than once to 'dust off' jarheads. (I think it was on one of those missions that I heard my pilot say something that I've never forgotten: "I tried to join the Marines, but I couldn't qualify — my parents were married....")
Max W.
Oregon USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 18:56:45 (MDT)
Randy it oct.7th 1966 when we lost our first crew. Our gunship heard the call and dicided to give them the help they needed. They were heading to Dong Ba Thin we the call came in. Alex
Alex
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 15:27:52 (MDT)
Well Randy your close!! 129th started at Dong Ba Thin, then we headed to Tuy Hoa on to the monsoons in Pleiku the rear perimeter of Camp Holloway. Then most conveyed to Kontum where we shared the night with 1st Cav. and then on to Dakto. From Dakto back to Tuy Hoa. We supported the 101st, special forces out of Nha Trang and the Tiger Div. When I got to Cam Rhan was just one little hut and a psp runway for bird dogs and mohhawks. In Tuy Hoa me and Grady Harris were tdy to the US. marines. I was pol until I started crewing in the 1st platoon. Rainer and Glenn was there also in 65. We were still getting quite a bit rain around Tanksgiving and Christmas 65. The 65-66 personnel roster s are in the gallery section. Tim and the rest of us are there. Alex 65-68
Alex
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 15:22:45 (MDT)
Lee, how are ya buddy? It's been a while. Sorry to hear about your friend passing. I must have left DBT in July cause we did'nt meet til you got to Lane.....did we? I hope you & your wife are gonna make LZ Indy. Max, thanks for your help. I had found 2-82d Aviation, but, I had'nt found that website. I was getting so excited,but, now you tell us that they are back from Iraq. How 'bout A Company (was'nt that our sister company the 119th AHC)? Wonder where they're at now. Alvis, I hope Susan is doing better.....give her my best. Clear, Gale
Gale
Clinton, In USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 09:41:37 (MDT)
Hall of Fame quarterback Roger Staubach served time in Vietnam, as did Rocky Bleier, the former Pittsburgh Steelers running back who nearly had his foot blown off by a land mine, but came back to win four Super Bowl rings. And then there's the case of Bob Kalsu, the only active NFL player killed in the Vietnam conflict. Another former NFL player, Cleveland Browns offensive lineman Don Steinbrunner, was killed in Vietnam in 1967 when the C-123 Provider he was piloting was gunned down by enemy anti-aircraft forces. His loss certainly was no less a tragedy than that of Kalsu, but Steinbrunner was 10 years retired at the time of his death, his ties to football then defined by a coaching stint at the Air Force Academy. Bob Kalsu, conversely, had just one year of NFL seniority when he opted not to contest his call-up to active service after his 1968 rookie season with the Buffalo Bills. Chosen in the eighth-round of that year's "other" draft, Kalsu started eight games at guard. "As solid a player and more important, as solid an individual, as they make," recollected Billy Shaw, the Hall of Fame member who played the other guard spot for the Bills, two years ago. "He would have been a great player, believe me, and not because he was the best athlete. He just wanted to be good, that's all, and wanted it so badly that it would have been enough." At a time when it was acceptable for professional athletes to defer military service, Kalsu felt obligated to honor the ROTC pledge that had been as much a part of his life at the University of Oklahoma as had his All-American role on the football team. And so Kalsu left his pregnant wife and young daughter to fulfill what he deemed to be a responsibility he could not ignore. In writing of Kalsu for a column two years ago, when the Buffalo Bills organization chose to honor him on its "Wall of Fame," this columnist spoke to family and friends and former teammates and gained some sense of the man. Noted sportswriter William Nack was far more eloquent than yours truly in a Sports Illustrated piece on Kalsu last summer. Doubtless many readers recall that feature, a narrative that thrust Kalsu into the public consciousness, if only for a too-brief time. First lieutenant Kalsu died on July 21, 1970, on a stretch of desolate Ashau Valley mountaintop known as "Firebase Ripcord," where his 11th artillery unit of the 101st Airborne Division had been pinned down for weeks by relentless enemy fire. The legend was that he was shot as he sprinted across an open field to a helicopter, one he felt was delivering news of the birth of his second child. His colleagues and family have debunked the legend, but Bob Kalsu Jr. was born within 24 hours of his father's death, and took years to accept that the dad he never knew would perish in a war that seemed to mean so little. Years later, the junior Kalsu claims to have heard his father's voice during a reception for the wedding his sister, Jill. The voice, Kalsu Jr. suggested, was his father telling him to substitute for him during the wedding dance. "It was clear and unmistakable," Kalsu Jr. said. And so, apparently, was the voice that spoke to Pat Tillman.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 09:08:18 (MDT)
This morning I`ve watched the coverage of news about Pat Tillman.....it is a true tragic episode in this war. Pat was a patriot with integrity. My feelings are that he would have not wanted this type of coverage of his death. Because he was a pro football player and gave up so much to serve his country. My thoughts are....does that make him any better than the 18 year old kid who gave up a job at McDonalds to join the military in order to better his life and lost it in this war? The issue of the public, not seeing the flag draped coffins of our young men and women comes to mind. The press...the administration.....left wing....right wing.... who ever!!! Nobody should try to capitalize on these lost lives of men and women of this war. You know and I know that "the law" about seeing coffins of our soldiers, was passed because of "our war". Out of respect for the families is a great notion....but I don`t buy it as the prime motivator. God love his heart...but Pat Tillman`s tragic story , brings home the reality of war. By the way....this is not the first time this has happen.....as I will post here later. But I am very upset that the "powers that be" are trying to promote "their agenda" using this tragedy. As in the Jessica Lynch story....which we found out later had been, " wasn`t the whole story". Not that Pat Tillman`s story is false.....but the way it`s being used. Again I write this with deep respect to Pat Tillman and sympathy to his family.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 09:02:00 (MDT)
CAVEMEN UPDATE: The Cavemen came back to Ft. Bragg from Iraq a couple of weeks ago.
Max W.
Oregon USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 08:33:29 (MDT)
I came to Dong Ba Thin in July of "67" and went to Lane one week later. I remember every truck was loaded and pulling a trailer when we moved. I was crewing 901 Tiger Wagon by then so I got to fly. Our last newsletter had an article about Chuck Lawhorn. He served in the 1st Cav. as a door gunner. Chuck was a master plumber in Dayton, OH and I knew him well. Chuck died the end of March. I talked to him on the phone l week before he died. He sounded so good I didn't go to see him. He had been in the VA for a long time. He never talked about Nam and he wouldn't say what was wrong with him. Just remember you can't wait too long to go see a Brother. Lee 7/67--8/68
Lee Wood <CWood86700.aol>
USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 20:47:35 (MDT)
Robert D Berta, Ft Wayne Indiana, crewchief with 176th AHC, died in helicopter crash on Dec 13,1967 with 5 months in country. Slow hand salute to you Robert for your birthday April 23. Always a Brother, Gale
Gale
USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 18:46:48 (MDT)
*OUR* GUYS IN IRAQ: From what I can find, the 129th AHC was absorbed into the 82nd Air Brigade in July of 1979, as Bravo Company, 2nd Battalion ("Cavemen"), supporting the 82nd Airborne ("All Americans"). They are now stationed at Forward Base Ridgway (no 'e'), near Ramadi, about 110 klicks west of Baghdad. To see some of our guys in the field, go to the following web page and scroll down a ways, to the Blackhawk helicopter picture: http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/aircraft/
Max W.
Oregon USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 18:44:52 (MDT)
RANDY: There's a map that shows the location of Dong ba Thin at: www.rjsmith.com/entire-taor-s2.html DBT was located a few klicks north of the floating bridge that connected Cam Rhan Bay peninsula to the mainland. We were on the mainland side of the Bay, though not right on the Bay, itself. DBT was always our homebase, the entire time I was there (early '66 - March of '67), though we rarely saw it. We were always in forward bases, such as Tuy Hoa, Pleiku, Kontum, Phan Rang, Phan Thiet, etc., and even then splinter groups would be supporting smaller units, such as the Special Forces out of Cung Son (working with Montegnards), and the CIA out of Nha Trang (working with the primarily with the Vietnamese Special Forces, or 'Red Caps'). Most of the time, we supported American units, but my first assignement was with a detachment of two 129th choppers in Phan Rang, supporting the ROC Tiger Division. It's my understanding that later, after 'homebase' was moved to Lane, the unit primarily supported the ROKs up there, and various ARVN units, and were pretty much permanently based at Lane.
Max W. (Sgt. Twiggy) <Slick868@(removethis)easystreet.com>
Oregon USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 17:31:50 (MDT)
Good Saturday evening to all. As if I didn't have enought to do with my grandparents I added another thing to do. I got a group of some of my friends from around the country to go in with me and adopt a few units. So far I have found one for sure and am waiting on word from a second. I figure its the least I can do to help out. It is amazing the difference of resources they have over there from past wars. Not that there time over there is easy at all. They can watch movies(DVD's) and play some video games. The price for sending stuff(according to the USPS web site) is not real cheap but again its the least i can do. The one unit has asked for cups of soups, cereal/power bars. Also anything entertainment. I am sending them a few PS1 games and going to look for some travel size games, maybe some books too. Well sorry for caryin on. Hope all have a wonderful evening and Sunday.
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 16:50:25 (MDT)
I sent Lou a e-mail, with a picture of George Hain and also a picture of Lou himself.....Albert(Sancho) Sanchez and I were pulling panels off 664 for a PE the day that happen. Jeff Sauers was working on the flight line also that day. I didn`t see it....but I heard it and saw the aftermath.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 14:28:01 (MDT)
Lou, relax, his name has been posted in here b4. someone in here knows him.
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 13:19:24 (MDT)
Same Salute to Mr. Tillman, i remember watching him play ball, i see on the news they are going to retire his number. Pride, yes but i wish we had cleaned this up the 1st time & were not "bogged down" like we seem to be getting.>> respects>> smitty
jim westwang 71-72
Sheridan, Wy USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 12:08:32 (MDT)
Rick you are right about B Co. In 1987 They became the 183rd Assault Helicopter Company.
Ernie Gschwender
Lincoln Park, MI USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 11:21:20 (MDT)
I hear about people like Pat Tillman & it makes me proud to be an American, it uplifts me, then I think about some of the assholes we have elected to Washington (on booth sides of the isle) & I get depressed. Frank
Frank Loveday
Bastrop, La. USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 11:12:42 (MDT)
Mark, still waiting for those pictures I sent you to be posted, Also wondering if are going to list the name of the door gunner who walked into the tail rotor on the maint pad, if anyone remembers his name or what month it happen. Its been haunting me for 34 years.
Lou Rags 1 @ aol.com
Dover, DEmark USA - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 09:39:28 (MDT)
thank you for your thoughts ,Ray. Sounds like you have got the right people in your corner.Susan is doing better, now that she is doing her scripts.Slow hand salute to tillman, with deepest resrect. You have some darn good company at fiddlers green.
alvis
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 21:39:30 (MDT)
Randy, go to main page and click on history. Skrol down to 1966 and you will see where the forward areas were in 66. Also the first part of 67 is there. Sometimes I was in forward area and sometimes I was back at our base camp at Dong Ba Thin and what is written there is very near what I remember. The home base was at Dong Ba Thin when I left in July of 67 and Lane was forward area. I will help in giving items to an Helicopter company in Iraq.
J.W. Wilson
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 21:10:09 (MDT)
I would love to participate in writing the people in Iraq. Keep me briefed as to what the plans are, or are we going to wait till Indy to decide all this stuff? I think it's a super idea to contact those that were once the 129th.
sue <lsah1852@hotmail.com>
celina, OH USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 14:09:42 (MDT)
Hello to all/ how are you all doing. iam ok now. lost it for a bit. but i have the congress mam lady helping me she got on mt ser rep for not doing his job. he called me told me to never to call her again, i have a dor hearing in may he told me he set it up. i got more paper work from the comgress lady, told her what he said how not to call her any more and how he set up the hearing in may. wow she got mad she did it all. she was calling him back. i beged her not to tell him i called. she said shw wont but when i go in for the hearing take gail with me. she has been talking to gail to for i was so mixed up only thing i said wrong is when she said i was turned down becaused my paper was notturned in on time and that a letter was sent to me i told her i never got it. i told her i think its the va's way to make you miss the hearing, and no wonder people blow up yor bulding and go postal. my servicer told me they were going toinvergest me but he stoped it. so i called the congress lady to say iam sorry for what i said she said no problem then i told her what the serv rep told me she said that was a lie, but she did tell me i got to be careful what i say for all is record. but sge had my recors in front of her.she said she fight 100% for me and told the ser rep he bettet do the same what a week i feel better now a loat off my mind was lost in a wold of confusedion oh fred a ian praying for your wife she will be in my prayes every day i say hello to all the rest to you cant say names dont want to miss any one but nice talking to you alex , so sorry i missed your call kim i try again rick nice talking to you to well be safe. oh fred s liked the joke alwas need a smile thanks gently i see you have a busy week end like you sat always there i guess i went on some may not make since, but it did wen i wrote it a brother always ,, indy not far off see you all there Ray
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 13:49:02 (MDT)
A SLOW SALUTE to Pat Tillman, Ex-NFL player killed in Afghanistan yesterday. Who gave up a lucrative NFL contract with the Phoenix Cardinals to join the Army Rangers. He severed all media contact, he could have milked the fame out of this move, made himself an icon of patriotic Americana in a time of war, and become the "recruiting tool" Senator John McCain wanted him to be and he didn't. He's not just a patriot, he's a patriot with integrity.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 13:15:21 (MDT)
This is what I got offof the 268th page from the 1st avaition brigade page. Your probably right the info came from the government. I also looked up the 82nd and the 129th is now the white wolves bravo co 82nd aviation Bat. I was told by vets coming home that the 82 was going to Afganistsan also heard on the tv so I think security has already been blown on their location. Whats new.*******I called monte about the iron butterfly and told he was at the dentist and would call back that was 3 days ago. I will try again. Flight be careful out there 129th Assault Helicopter Company - Bulldogs, Cobras - Tuy Hoa, Dong Ba Thin, Quin Nhon Valorous Unit Awards—1 JanÝ24 66 and 1Ý20 Jun 66 The 129th arrived in Tuy Hoa in late 1965, and then moved from there to Dong Ba Thin then to Quin Nhon in 1966. They flew in support of the Koreans, the 101st, the 25th and the ARVN. During the Cambodian invasion in 1970, they supported the 4th Infantry. They departed Vietnam in Mar 1973. There is a website for the 129th at www.129th.net. In 1979 the 129th became part of the 82nd Combat Aviation Battalion as Company B, and has since served in Grenada, Desert Storm and the current Iraq conflict.
Rick England
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 13:02:05 (MDT)
When I got with the 129th in Sept of 66 the 129th the unit had just moved to Tuy Hoa. We had just lost a gunship a few months before at Dong Ba Thin and everyone was still bummed out. It crashed in Oct and the tail number was 64-13932. So I must assume the 129th came from Dong Ba Thin
Randy
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 12:51:01 (MDT)
I'm Baaack. Went to the V.A. headquarters today and guess what, the man I needed to talk with Mr. Haney (Green Acres ??) was not there. Dick Cheney is in town today and he was at a lunch/meeting with Cheney and a bunch of big shots. But, I left my name and number and I got his. So I'll try again on Monday. Alright, it took me forever (5 minutes) to find my old half-ass journal from Vietnam. I arrived in country on 09/03/66 and a few days later I was at Tuy Hoa. Just in time to catch the back end of a hurricane. We were still in Tuy Hoa for Thanksgiving. But we moved shortly after to Dak To outside of Pleiku. We were there for Christmas and New Years of 66. I can remember the one-o-worst firing off their cannons at midnight New Years. Dak To was our field base but Tuy Hoa was still our rear area base. Next we made two moves and I don't remember which was first. We went down to the Iron Triangle for a big operation for a month and we went to Phrang Rang (spelling) for 6 to 8 weeks. Still our rear base was Tuy Hoa. What I remember most about Phrang Rang was the bones and black scorpions. At some time in the past the French had a big battle there and as we dug bunkers we keep coming up with bones everywhere. There was one other stop along the way on top of a huge platau. But, it was only for a couple of weeks. I remember we lost a slick there. Finally, we left Pleiku and moved back to Tuy Hoa to get all of our ships fix up etc. Then we pick up and moved everything from Tuy Hoa to Lane. I spent my birthday in Sept there at Lane. We were there for Tet of "68" When I left in July of "68" both our base of operations and our home base was Lane. And you are right Gale, we did send slicks and guns all over. We supported the 48th one time in Phu Cat with 4 gunships. I remember Bragg was the other crew chief who's gun flew with mine. But I can't recall the other two crews. We flew all night missions looking for mortar flashs and them would hit them. It was hairy because we could not run any lights on our birds. Here we were looking for mountains, each other and the emeny, all at the same time. By the way where the hell is Dong Ba Thin?
Randy
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 12:17:25 (MDT)
The way I remember it, Dong Ba Thin was our base untill May 67, we sent helicopters all over II corp.A pltoon at Tuy Hoa one at Plieku, and the guns elsewhere. We were always moving and living in those 3-man tents, It was rare for the entire company to be together
Rainer Bauer
Indy, USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 09:38:38 (MDT)
Randy, I got to Dong Ba Thin the last part of May 67 and I believe most of the 129th was already at Lane Field. We were still building revetments at DBT. I was flown up in July I think. Things were pretty well set up. Some of the names that were there already was Fisher, Hydinger, McMahon , Denault and a few more if I look them up. How 'bout Jim Hydinger, you recall anything? Clear, Gale
Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:31:37 (MDT)
Sorry Tim and Rick but the 129th started out at Dong Ba Thin and moved to Tuyhoa. Then moved to a base outside of Pleiku for Christmas of 1966. About May or June of "67" we moved to An Son. Only crew chiefs and one pilot was moved by air. All the rest of the company moved by truck. What a mess that was. Days later trucks were still coming into our new home.
Randy
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:13:31 (MDT)
Gale - Good comments and I agree. When I go down there today I will see about the old 129th or the new 82nd as it is called now!! I was thinking that if the unit has more people than we have signed up, maybe we might need to correspond with more than one veteran. We don't want to leave anyone out. How would any of us feel if we were the ones left out. Write more this weekend.
Randy
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:03:14 (MDT)
Rick England, I think you have you info wrong,The 129th was in DongBaThin in 1965,first base,went to tuyhoa to support the rocks,late 65 and early 66 then moved to the other location.I was at the first base at DongBaThin in I think Sept 65/Oct65 I have to look at my pictures.I was one of the first chiefs flying with the cobra's,my a/c was Cpt Wetzle
Timothy J.Stem <cobra686@omniglobal.net>
Ingram, Tx USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 07:44:32 (MDT)
Here`s a good article( http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/04/edi04031.html)......Yes get your young sons and daughters ready to pack....because they are gonna send them off to Iraq. I knew this was coming. Now I`m in pretty good shape....I`d go in place of one of these kids....But they got to give me some incentive.....Black Afgan Hash.....I fight to the death for black hash....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 05:12:16 (MDT)
keeping a close eye on my bride. Had to take her to the docs today. they wanted to admit her.hard headed shelia wouldnt hear of it.they tried to talk her into just staying over night, wouldnt do that either.Sooo,am staying home tommorow ,do some wood work,keep an eye on her.finaly found a keeper that also puts up with my crap.dont want to lose her now.Asthma and viral chest infections are a dangerous ,one, two punch.Gale, please stop by anytime, you and Debbie are ALWAYS welcome.881 seabreeze drive,avon.
alvis
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:43:25 (MDT)
The forms are available at the IRS web site. You will be applying for status as a 501(c)19 organization. You might need to incorporate in your state. It's not hard, just a little time consuming.
alvis
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:09:52 (MDT)
I am in agreement with Gale about the static display. This is a topic that has been discussed in here more than once. "Pop a top" is the home of the 129th and i think its a good place for the static display. I continue to believe that getting a tax number is the first thing that needs to be done,for many reasons.As I said, you need priorties,I believe that should head the list.without that.all else is pipe dreams.
alvis
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:07:38 (MDT)
count me in for support. maybe I can't do a lot but I know that even a letter from back home can do a lot for moral. when I leave here tonight I will see if I can find out what the address is. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:44:40 (MDT)
Randy, my e-mail to you came back as undeliverable, put me down as a sponser, jim216@arczip.com
jim
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 21:07:08 (MDT)
A good friend sent this to me...... Politics........ A little boy goes to his dad and asks, "What is Politics?" Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way: I am the head of the family, so call me The President. Your mother is the administrator of the money, so we call her the Government. We are here to take care of your needs, so we will call you the People. The nanny, we will consider her the Working Class. And your baby brother, we will call him the Future. Now think about that and see if it makes sense" So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said. Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him. He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper. So the little boy goes to his parent's room and finds his mother sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed. The next morning, the little boy say's to his father, "Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now." The father says, "Good, son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about." The little boy replies, "The President is screwing the Working Class while the Government is sound asleep. The People are being ignored and the Future is in deep $hit."
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 17:22:16 (MDT)
Another aviation truism; the only thing more expensive than flying a plane, is NOT FLYING IT!!!!!! They cost money, whether sitting or flying. That's another issue to consider regarding a purchase. A 503-C is a not for profit corporation, any one can form one. Our school district is in the process of doing such, as a way to invite private donations for a new athletic facility, along with a performing arts theater. Memories of 212. I inherited her from Terry Walker, in mid 71. Thing was touchy about needing to be flushed out every 25 hours. I always felt she had a touchy fuel control. Like to have cried when we hooked a piece of PSP at Pleiku, at the start of an ASAP, went for quite a rodeo ride, and twisted the skids pretty bad when she touched? down. I was told it was a total loss, only to find out a couple years ago that she was cleared for a one way flight to rehab.
Kim
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 17:04:51 (MDT)
Alvis, sorry that you & Susan could'nt make it all the way here, but, I'm not sure we were even home. We left Mon eve for another two days at Indy (grand jury gig). Got home Wed eve. I came back thru Avon, but, I've lost your address. You must've made it all the way to Montezuma before you turned around!? I bet Susan enjoyed the "Village". We attended a wedding in that church a few years ago....pretty quaint. Do you have your new shop set up yet? Later, Gale
Gale
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 16:07:00 (MDT)
Rick, I like your idea of adopting the the Brothers & Sisters of the 82nd Aviation. Have you found an address for them yet? Randy, count me in. Flight, I don't think you will find any Air Courier that will ship for free....and why should they. Besides that, the good ole Post Office (that some of you refer to as "Snail mail") is the only one that can deliver to APO/FPO addresses. Do you realize that the USPS delivers to APO addresses at the same rates as they do for the Continental United States. That price is minimal compared to UPS and FedEx Air Courier rates. Also, remember that all of the letters you sent home (or should have) from Nam were "free" and still are for the Iraq troops. In my opinion, if we get an address for an adopted company, we should each do our own thing as far as sending parcels & pay the postage accordingly. As far as the chopper goes..........I'm still in favor of the static display. UH1-D,H,B or M....what difference does it make now. Clear, Gale
Gale
Clinton, In US of A - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 15:51:54 (MDT)
Thanks Randy. The plan regarding the helicopter purchase stands at our/your having a meeting in Indy about it and funding it. Meanwhile, everyone should keep tossing around ideas. The intent is that it is still a "go." So let's be optimistic. Yes, Fred we need to be 503, and it sounds like that's being looked into. And I think we can purchase one as a VVA chapter. I'm going to confirm that. I mentioned it earlier but haven't really gotten any feed back on it. Someone who has time should look into Fed Ex covering shipping for any items we want to send to our adopted unit. I don't have the time. Sorry. But there are alot of you out there, so step up:>) Gently
Gently
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:04:09 (MDT)
David--- Thank you thank you
Randy
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 11:23:26 (MDT)
Randy........Glad you noticed that the pushers are absent from here now. Also havnt seen MUGU around and, Gee, what happened to the BLADE...either somebody found out who it was and waxed it, or it fell off the earth. You can thank David, our webmaster from Ohio here. I ask him to do some tweeking with the web sight. Must of worked....anyways, to kinda go along with JIM and FRED'S humor yesterday about imaginary friends here's one. ROSES ARE RED, VILOTS ARE BLUE, I'M SCHIZOPHRENIC, AND SO AM I!........I like Rick England's idea of adopting the old 129th unit.......Randy..put me down for a conributer. Mark Jackson, fourfour@bright.net....and give us an update when you find anything out. I have a sister-in-law in Olathe out that way.Take care all, always a brother, Mark
Mark
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 10:31:54 (MDT)
By the way how and who got rid of all the drug e-mails?????
Randy
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 09:59:44 (MDT)
M thanks for the address. Beings that the V.A. Nat'l Headquarters is in Kansas City and I live in Kansas City, I will follow up on this tomorrow. My house is being painted today. However, I called them today to find out what is involved. Will anyone who is interested in this idea, please take a minute and send me your name and E-mail address so I can put them in a folder and get a rough count on how many we have. Please send them to www.kingcobra697@yahoo.com. The V.A. wants to know about how many peolple are willing to sponser a unit. Thanks. The V.A. said we are the first to ask about this adopt a helicopter unit. I told this good friend of mine, who was a gunner with the 117th, about this and he is going to talk to his old unit about it. So we got to get going on this idea so that we can say once again that the 129th led the way as usual. Gently- thanks for your help with this. Does anyone have a contact with Fed-X or UPS? There has to be a better way to ship packages than the mail. If someone can contact them it would really help. It would also be a great marketing tool for Fed-X or UPS. Free advertising. "Doing their part to support our troops." etc. Thanks for the list of what these guys and girls need. It is a start. Anyone going to the reunion in Indy this year, please talk to you friends and see if they will support a unit. The doctor (and my wife) won't let me travel yet. Damn Damn Damn!!!!!!!!!! I will write this weekend and let yopu know how the face to face goes tomorrow. In the mean time please send me your names and thanks for the help and SUPPORT. Randy
Randy <kingcobraq697@yahoo>
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 09:48:08 (MDT)
COBRA LITTLEJOHN, It would be pleasant for us to have this post find you enjoying your visit to the Continent. Now do they still fly over there in France, or just stand with shovels in hand? Back to Lane and your sweet B-models. After morning the loss of your legendary regime, we finally filled the ancient ruts in the Cobra revetments. Cobra Knight and I took the last B-model up to Pleiku for it's retirement. It took half a day to get her there at 65 knot top speed , but we had a lot of evasive manuvers all along our path which added time. Did the B-models really have a Volkswagon engine in them? The first time I got into a Mike was truly a new and exciting experience. The med staff got my artificial receptors in sync. with the L-13 and when I touched the collective the aircraft jumped three feet off the ground. Our lead ship, 212(MIKE) added huge weight for stability, but I prefered to travel light with the six-shooters in case I would have to push him off. As we traveled out to the client seems like all we did was try to slow down. On the way back it was always a race down the river and when 212 was light she could really move. They often tried to pull away but the only time they really lost sight of us they recieved a message on victor, " Hold steady Rege, I'm comming over the top". Enjoy your stay, and drop us a line if you get the chance.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:16:12 (MDT)
to ease logistics problems, does anyone live in a town that has an IRS office in it? I am told,its simply a matter of "di di bopping"into one of their offices and filling out the paperwork.I , my self, perfer a slick, but the mental image i just got of a huey gunship flying by, is pretty cool.
alvis
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:12:30 (MDT)
C.B. and Kim LaVoie,..... C.B., I got off the phone because I was waiting on a phone call from my brother, It turned out to be Kim LaVoie....Kim....The phone call I got was from my brother, our conversation was just getting good. My brother said my mom came out of surgery great....she was giving orders and sassing the doctors and nurses...that`s a great sign....but she was getting a little sick at her stomach which is normal. That`s a load off my mind....C.B. and Kim, I will contact you both again and we will solve the worlds problems.....LOL
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 05:35:32 (MDT)
Alvis: Tom Ragonese posted Friday, April 16, 2004 at 01:51:36 concerning info on tax status. Others have put forward teaming up with already existing organizations with required status. Getting the correct tax status isn't the starting point. We have to decide what we are doing first...all the "who, what, where, why, when and how, before we can even apply for tax status. So if we are getting a gunship (my vote), who is "we"? "When" are we gonna do it? "Where" will it be? (Baron has a lead on that (Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:40:31)? "Why"?????? because we can! "How"? ...will be addressed after the first questions are answered. Sleep on it folks.
C.B.
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 23:33:49 (MDT)
about the perchase of a helicopter. First and formost, this unit has to have a tax free number,not for profit, ect. There will NOT be any big ticket contributions unless this comes to pass, period. sorry, but nickles and dimes isnt going to buy a chopper.We cant even get a gift of one, from uncle sam, without a exempt tax number.That needs to be done first and put on top of a priorty list.That is step one. Now, are we going to do this?We can dream, scream, or walk the walk.Does anyone have any insight on how to go about it? lets get that number.lets go legit. Comments are suggested and welcome.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 22:52:54 (MDT)
So what is this about buying a helicopter???? or was that just one of those times when old guys nearly get there heads up, but quickly resign themselves to routine? Just wondering!
C.B.
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 21:44:38 (MDT)
Brand new 2004 edition of "You know you're a redneck when..." 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than 15 minutes with a fly swatter. 3. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 4. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 5. You think the "Nutcracker" is something you do off the high dive. 6. The Salvation Army declines your furniture. 7. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don't want it. 8. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 9. You come back from the dump with more than you took there. 10. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 11. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 12. Your grandmother has "ammo" on her Christmas list. 13. You keep flea and tick soap in the shower. 14. You've been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 15. You go to the stock car races and don't need a program. 16. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 17. You have a rag for a gas cap. 18. Your house doesn't have curtains, but your truck does. 19. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 20. You can spit without opening your mouth. 21. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 22. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 23. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say "Cool Whip" on the side. 24. The biggest city you've ever been to is Wal-Mart. 25. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 26. You've used your ironing board as a buffet table. 27. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $100,000.00 worth of improvements. 28. You've used a toilet brush to scratch your back. 29. You missed your 5th grade graduation because you were on jury duty. 30. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. And last, but not least... 31. Someone tells you that you've got something in your teeth, so you take them out to see what it is! _______________________________________
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 21:31:32 (MDT)
Did you say it was this morning, that you last saw your good friend, lying on the pavement, with the misery on his brain? Stoned on some new potion, he found upon the wall, of some unholy bathroom, in some ungodly hall?......a lot of relevance there!!! Alvis, one other saying. There are old pilots, and bold pilots. Thee are no old,bold pilots!!!! Used to love the cyclic climb, pop out of low level, pick up the target area, roll in hot!!!.......Kid from Maine got kia'd the other day. He's in a unit with a bunch of kids I used to coach. Felt a little guilty that I was relieved it wasn't one of them! I've made no bones about my feelings regarding our venture over there, and I feel no less strongly now! I was sick at the thought of marines sitting around while the iraqi's gathered strength, reminded me of reagan making targets out of them in Lebanon. The only way out now is to kill any who want to fight, until they decide it isn't worth it. What a frigging mess!!!!!Ole uncle sugar, just out there, winning their hearts and minds!!!
Kim
Livermore, Me USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:25:55 (MDT)
Hello FLight I hope everyone is doing well. Cherry good to see a post from you again. I Just got off the phone with Mike Solar. He told me he was the peter pilot on 465 when we crashed and rolled it down the mountain. He was the first person i have talked to about that crash that knew as much about it as i do or more, and I was actually shaking while we were talking. I told him i have 3 pictures of 465 sitting in Qui Nhon after they slung it off the mountain. Mike lost his leg from the knee down in the crash. It was a scary ordeal indeed, and I was glad i got out when i did. I won't bother you with the details. Mike is still flying commercial Airplanes. Cherry, I mentioned your name but he seems to have the same affliction as most of us "CRS". He said I am the second person he has talked to from the 129th in 34 years. I gave him the web site and he said he would try to get on. He also asked about the reunion. I told him the info is on the front screen. Hey Ray how are things going for you? I suppose you're busy with the guys at the house. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:39:20 (MDT)
Thanks to Fred Skaggs and Jim for lightening my day. I read the posts to my sons. We all laughed out loud, first time in a few days. Thanks guys!!
Sue
OH USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:06:32 (MDT)
Brothers of the 129th I have been having major problems with my computer. I am a NFG at this game and I have not been able to get the Flight Log to respond to anything. It came back today and I wanted to say hi to everyone. I have not received any new E-mail from Fred, Robbie, or anyone for that matter. I got one from John Stone. He asked if I remembered him and I sent back the important facts I remembered. He said he would be in Stead Nev. after the 20th of April. I am hoping that we can get together when he arrives as it has been over 33 years since we last saw each other. I noted that someone posted the fact that more and more people are finding this site and as we get older are trying to get back to the past. I have sure found this web site to be a wonderful tool for me. I am proud of my service in Viet Nam and it is great to know that my brothers in arms were proud to serve too. I am signing off for now Bulldog Cherry. Mark I will attempt to call you again soon. I saw where you listed all the members of the 129th who gave thier all and I was shocked to see how many of them I knew.
Dick Muirhead Bulldog Cherry
Susanville , Calif USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:01:46 (MDT)
Ya see, I left out the "know" between don't and how. Now what was the question.
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:45:09 (MDT)
Brother Fred, now I don't how many there are, a shrink once told me I had ADD or ADHD,something like that, I don't know I wasn't paying attention.
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:41:48 (MDT)
Brother Jim....Would that be along the lines of .....Me...Myself...and I....LOL....Just when I was getting used to yesterday, along came today!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 16:45:45 (MDT)
Correction, "Snowblind Friend" by Hoyt Axton.
Dave
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 14:15:23 (MDT)
Baron... "Snow Blind", right?
Dave
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 14:11:03 (MDT)
This came off the Vhfcn, its a list of requested items from a soldier in Iraq,while we are looking for a unit we can stockup....>deodorant >>shaving cream/razors >>shampoo >>microwave safe bowls >>any snacks, chips, etc. >>hard candy >>insect repellant >>30+ or more sunscreen >>sunflower seeds >>liquid body soap >>foot powder >>baby powder >>Febreeze >> >>That's all I can think of now. The guys and I would really appreciate it.
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:59:12 (MDT)
What if 2 of those friends are imaginary.
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:52:18 (MDT)
One out of every four people in this world is mentally unstable. Think of your three best friends. If they seem normal, you`re the one.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 11:55:47 (MDT)
hmmmmm, so far all i can find out is that they are out of fort bragg,and attached to the 82 airborne. There is in fact, a Kimberly hampton that was a helicopter pilot for the 82nd, that was kia over there. seems the wings continue
alvis
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 11:09:24 (MDT)
This might be the unit to adopt. The old 129th. Check it out.**********The 129th arrived in Tuy Hoa in late 1965, and then moved from there to Dong Ba Thin then to Quin Nhon in 1966. They flew in support of the Koreans, the 101st, the 25th and the ARVN. During the Cambodian invasion in 1970, they supported the 4th Infantry. They departed Vietnam in Mar 1973. There is a website for the 129th at www.129th.net. In 1979 the 129th became part of the 82nd Combat Aviation Battalion as Company B, and has since served in Grenada, Desert Storm and the current Iraq conflict.******** The 82nd co B. Now if we can find and address?????******** I am sadden to hear about Julie Moore I had met her in Washington with Gen Moore and Joe Gallaway at the operation freedom bird trip. I gave her one of the 129th pins and she said she was going to wear it at the white house she was a very kind to us vets I also will salute her. Your right Fred we will all meet at fiddlers Green. Be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 09:22:38 (MDT)
If I remember correctly, Kerry recieved his first purple heart just north of Cahmron bay, up near where the mountians jutted into the sea,and south of Nha Trang.I do remember the Place looked kinda of spokey.I was involved in, my only experince, taking out u.s. troops west of cham ron. I believe it was a lurp team.I do remember thinking,glad I am not with those guys,as we flew back toward civilzation.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 09:06:26 (MDT)
He only had a dollar, to live on till next Monday, But he spent it on his comfort for his mind. Someone should call his parents, a sister or a brother, and they'll come to take him back home on a bus. But he'll always be a problem ,to his poor and puzzled Mother, and he'll always be another one of us. He said he wanted heaven, but prayin' was too slow, Did you say you saw your good friend flyin' low. Hoyt Axton , Steppenwolf , (vocals) John Kay 1970
Baron
USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 07:43:01 (MDT)
Once you are in the fight, it is way too late to wonder if this is a good idea. 2. Helicopters are cool! 3. It is a fact that helicopter tail rotors are instinctively drawn toward trees, stumps, rocks, etc. While it may be possible to ward off this natural event some of the time, it cannot, despite the best efforts of the crew, always be prevented. It's just what they do. 4. NEVER get into a fight without more ammunition than the other guy. 5. The engine RPM, and the rotor RPM, must BOTH be kept in the GREEN. Failure to heed this commandment can affect the morale of the crew. 6. A billfold in your hip pocket can numb your leg and be a real pain in the ass. 7. Cover your Buddy, so he can be around to cover you. 8. Letters from home are not always great. 9. The madness of war can extract a heavy toll. Please have exact change. 10. Share everything. Even the Pound Cake. 11. Decisions made by someone over your head will seldom be in your best interest. 12. The terms "Protective Armor" and "Helicopter" are mutually exclusive. 13. The further away you are from your friends, the less likely it is that they can help you when you really need them the most. 14. Sometimes, being good and lucky still was not enough. There is always payback. 15. "Chicken Plates" are not something you order in a restaurant. 16. If everything is as clear as a bell, and everything is going exactly as planned, you're about to be surprised. 17. The BSR (Bang Stare Read) Theory states that the louder the sudden bang in the helicopter, the quicker your eyes will be drawn to the gauges. 18. The longer you stare at the gauges, the less time it takes them to move from green to red. 19. It does too get cold in Vietnam. 20. No matter what you do, the bullet with your name on it will get you. So too can the ones addressed "To Whom It May Concern". 21. Gravity: It may not be fair, but it is the law. 22. If the rear echelon troops are really happy, the front line troops probably do not have what they need. 23. If you are wearing body armor, the incoming will probably miss that part. 24. It hurts less to die with a uniform on than to die in a hospital bed. 25. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. 26. If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's about to. 27. Eat when you can. Sleep when you can. Vist the head when you can. The next opportunity may not come around for a long time. If ever. 28. Combat pay is a flawed concept. 29. Having all your body parts intact and functioning at the end of the day beats the alternative. 30. Air superiority is NOT a luxury. 31. If you are allergic to lead it is best to avoid a war zone. 32. It is a bad thing to run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time. 32a. Nothing is as useless as altitude above you and runway behind you. 33. While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first. 34. When you shoot your gun, clean it the first chance you get. 35. Loud sudden noises in a helicopter WILL get your undivided attention. 36. Hot garrison chow is better than hot C-rations, which, in turn is better than cold C-rations, which is better than no food at all. All of these, however, are preferable to cold rice balls (given to you by guards) even if they do have the little pieces of fish in them. 37. WHAT is often more important than WHY. 38. Boxes of cookies from home must be shared. 39. Girlfriends are fair game. Wives are not. 40. Everybody's a hero on the ground in the club after the fourth drink. 41. There is no such thing as a small firefight. 42. A free-fire zone has nothing to do with economics. 43. The farther you fly into the mountains, the louder the strange engine noises become. 44. Medals are OK, but having your body and all your friends in one piece at the end of the day is better. 44a. The only medal you really want to be awarded is the Longevity Medal. 45. Being shot hurts. 46. Thousands of Vietnam Veterans earned medals for bravery every day. A few were even awarded. 48. Running out of pedal, fore or aft cyclic, or collective are all bad ideas. Any combination of these can be deadly. 49. Nomex is NOT fire proof. 50. There is only one rule in war: When you win, you get to make up the Rules. 51. Living and dying can both hurt a lot. 53. While a Super Bomb could be considered one of the four essential building blocks of life, powdered eggs cannot. 54. C-4 can make a dull day fun. 55. Cocoa Powder is neither. 56. There is no such thing as a fair fight, only ones where you win or lose. 57. If you win the battle you are entitled to the spoils. If you lose you don't care. 58. Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem. 59. If you have extra, share it quickly. 60. Always make sure someone has a P-38. 61. A sucking chest wound may be God's way of telling you it's time to go home. 62. Prayer may not help . . . but it can't hurt. 63. Flying is better than walking. Walking is better than running. Running is better than crawling. All of these however, are better than extraction by a Med-Evac, even if this is technically a form of flying. 64. If everyone does not come home none of the rest of us can ever fully come home either. 65. Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. 66. A grunt is the true reason for the existence of the helicopter. Every helicopter flying in Vietnam had one real purpose: To help the grunt. It is unfortunate that many helicopters never had the opportunity to fulfill their one true mission in life simply because someone forgot this fact. 67. "You have the right to remain silent" is always EXCELLENT advice.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 20:56:40 (MDT)
The Lady did a heck of alot of good for lots of folks.I lived in Columbus Georgia,went thru jr high and high school there,as well as drafted there.Thank you for your efforts, mrs Moore.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 20:48:39 (MDT)
WASHINGTON---There is mourning in a number of small corners of the >country this week. With a dozen new American soldier and Marine >deaths in Iraq over the weekend there are shattered lives in a dozen >new towns. And at Fort Benning, Georgia, this week we are laying to >rest one of the finest Army wives who ever walked. > > Julia Compton (Julie) Moore, 75, was an Army >daughter, an Army wife and an Army mother. In the dark days of >November, 1965, she did the hardest duty of all: She visited the >small bungalows and trailer houses around Columbus, Georgia, to >offer her sympathy and support to new widows whose husbands had died >in action in the Ia Drang Valley of South Vietnam. > > In those early days of the war the Army was >overwhelmed by hundreds of death notices for unsuspecting families. >It had forgotten how to do this right, so the Western Union >telegrams were handed over to taxi drivers. > > Julie Moore was horrified when one taxi driver >pulled up to the small house where she and the five young children >of Lt. Col. Hal Moore, commander of the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry in >Vietnam, were living. It took her a long, long time to answer the >doorbell, a lifetime really, and then the driver apologized, said he >was lost and asked her where he could find this address. > > Mrs. Moore followed in the wake of that taxi and >others to comfort the new widows and orphans of a war that would, >itself, ultimately be orphaned and abandoned. She also raised >unshirted Hell with the Pentagon about so callous a method of >notifying the families. Within two weeks the policy was changed and >a new one instituted, requiring that an officer and a chaplain >personally deliver the sad news. It was also a small beginning of a >concern for Army families that has grown into a major program >throughout the Army.......... slow hand salute,ma'am,with deepest respect.Will see you in, fiddlers green. >
alvis
USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 20:43:47 (MDT)
THERE IS A LINK AT THE END OF MY POST. ITS ABOUT THE OH-58D KIOWA WARRIOR PILOTS AND CREW CHEIFS FROM THE 25TH INFANTRY DIVISION. MIGHT BE A POSSIBLITLY. INFORMATION IS ON THAT SITE.
:o)
USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 12:18:14 (MDT)
Thank you M-we're on it. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 12:02:08 (MDT)
I have nothing to do today and I found this with a search. Don't know if it will help. The procedure for adopting a unit is simple: Post or Auxiliary completes an adoption application. Send completed application to VFW Natinal Headquaerters or fax to (816) 968-1149. There is no initial cost in adopting a unit. This program does not end when the troops re-deploy home; they and their families continue to need our backing and assistance. For more information about adopting a unit contact your Department MAP chairperson or contact us at: Military Assistance Program VFW National Headquarters 406 W 34th St. Kansas City, MO 64111
M
TX USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 09:22:40 (MDT)
I will do that this morning Wink. Don't you practice to much on that golf I would like to come close to geting of the bottom of the totem pole. Thanks Gale.hehehehehehehe
Rick England
USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 08:51:56 (MDT)
Randy, that's a great idea! Let's adopt a unit and start with letter writing, then at the re-union we could all bring "items" they would like to have, actually need since they aren't getting supplied as they should(Am I going to have to verify that or is it obvious enough). The first thing we have to do is find out if Fed Ex would ship it for free to them(I think the President, or at least someone high up in the company, is a Vietnam Veteran). So, who would like to write Fed EX? Who would like to look into a unit to adopt? Who would like to donate cash(you can email me if you're a "quiet angel)? Who would take items to INDY? Who would be responsible for sending the items out? We need to have some leaders here. None of this is hard or difficult. Let's walk the talk. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 08:06:37 (MDT)
Greetings! It's time for me make comment about current and past discussions on this site. as for the presidential election,a change is needed. Do I think Bush had a hidden agenda coming into office-yes. Things I care about "MANDATORY FUNDING for VA HEALTHCARE", "MANDATORY DRUG COVERAGE for MEDICARE"(Thank goodness for TRICARE),"A QUIK BUT ORDERLY END TO IRAG SITUATION". There the anger is out, so now on tho other things. 1. Wink, glad you are settled in to your new home, watch out for them big toothed golf ball grabbers at the waters edge. 2. My new home construction has been set back 4-6 weeks cuz the cabinet makers have fallen down on the job, looks like move-in will be taking priority over a chance to go to the Reunion. 3. The adoption of another Helicopter unit is a great idea, keep me posted. 4. any comments or reply's to dpf092003@yahoo.com. And finally when you can't FLY, do as I do and swing a leg over the two wheeler and ride. Later, Dennis
Dennis Fuerstenau <dpf092003@yahoo.com>
Haines City, FL USA - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 06:39:50 (MDT)
evening flight, rick,the name of the company monti works for is lance aviation in lakeland the phine is 863-646-1242. was going to give him a call but never got around to it , playing a lot of golf. but i think it would be better if you do the calling,he dosen't know me. if you get in touch with him give him my name an phone #. would love to see her,an i could take some pictures. everybody be safe out therewink 3/69- 10'70 from 010 with love
wink
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:23:11 (MDT)
I love your idea Randy. find us a unit. I think it would be neat to have a mail call for the unit and have about 200+ letters show up from the 129th ...........
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:04:48 (MDT)
Just an idea, have ya'll thought about asking other heli units about going in together? I saw one site that specialized in this sort of thing, I think. http://www.thehueystore.com Just maybe you could get an idea of a price and if its reachable.
Melody Pershall
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:00:52 (MDT)
Hey Jim, I have my A&P licence! Went to school for a year and a half after my stay in the Army. Once I got my ticket, the airlines were laying off and the only job I could get was working for Air America back in Nam. I said, "no thanks, been there now that I am married, I am not going back." Found another job that lasted a while. Still married to the same sweetheart.
Dan Hertlein
Sumner, WA USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:14:25 (MDT)
I made a phone call yesterday to an old avaiator who has an air park 30 min. north of Grand Rapids Mi.. I told him a short version of our 129TH story and about our formulating a plan to aquire some hellicopters. He eased into the conversation as if he was sitting there waiting for my call. He opened up with a story of a deer hunt on Fox Island. He had killed 3 deer himself and they had more hanging in camp. A planned 5 day hunt, turned into 13 days of eating venison when their guide boat was sabotaged. All men and rifles were evacuated to the mainland by a helicopter from Greenville. The guide was able to get the deer out soon after. His first question, (How much hangar door do we need?). I said at least 12 and one half feet. He then said that between he and his neighbor, there is plenty of real estate for proper hangar. Then he told me a story about a Piper he converted to a tail dragger. Upped the H.P. from 120 to 180 and picked much speed. I told him we are trying to locate helicopters with 1300 H.P. that would blow anything at his airport off the runway. He said," I am willing to talk further as this plan comes together". I want to hear him say, "Bring them on up".
Baron
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:40:31 (MDT)
Gale, took Susan to Bille Creek yeterday, then continued on to about 8 miles from your place. Ran short of time ,so did a you-e. Yes Gale, we have discussed getting a chopper before,and I still think without a major benifactor,its kinda a high goal.Would be neat to see a static display out in front of "Pop a Top" , or on top.Mark, sometime between now and the the reunion, I need to get my sks back.I want to take Jim Westwang,and perhaps shadow, if he wants, shooting.( anyone else too ,if they want).Thats a good idea about adopting a unit.
alvis
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 17:49:16 (MDT)
Sure is exciting reading on here. That would be mighty neat if ya'll did that. I would like to help if there is anything I could do, though my only talent that is marketable is I make some jewelry. Hope everyone is doing well.
Melody Pershall
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 16:12:52 (MDT)
Randy... Great Idea! Lead the way, and make it so. How do we help?
Dave Powers
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 14:24:48 (MDT)
Rick, I think your typing has improved!? ;o))) Give that grandkid a big ole 129th hug from me will ya? HeeeHeHeeeHe!! Gale
Gale
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:27:46 (MDT)
EXCUSE THE CAPITALS I AM HOLDING THE BABY AN DOING THIS WITH ONE HAND. YEA WINK I THOUGHT IMENIONED 431 IS WITH GATOR HELICOTER AN THE TRANSMISSION ISDOWN THEY EYHER RAN OUT OF MONEY OR CAN'T FIND ONE. IHAVE TREID TO CONTACT THEM THAT IS NOT ESAY. MONTI THE OWNER OF 431 IS AN EX ARMY RANGER. IWILL TRY ANCONTACT HIM TODAY AN CHECK ON THE CONDITION OF THE SHIP. BR CAREFUL OUT THERE. RANDY YOU TAKR CARE AN IF YOU HAVE ADDRESSES I WOULD BE GLAD TO SEND PACKS OFF. I DID THAT BEFORE TOSOMR MARINES PLEASE FORGIVE ME. HEEEEEEEEEE
RICK ENGLAND
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 10:19:02 (MDT)
Good morning my fellow boys and girls 129th veterans!! Early this morning (3AM) as I lay in my bed(since my heart attack I don't sleep much) I was thinking about our brave men and women fly helicopters in Iraq. Half of me wishing I was over there flying again and half of me wondering if the guys and girls of other helicopter units were like us. Missing home, loved ones, friends, their cars, or just as scared as we were. Never knowing who the emeny was or when you were going to get hit or when it would be that you straped your flight helmet on for the last time. I know I built a false front around me. Crew chief on "929" gunship. Devil may care attitude afraid of nothing that Charley good throw at me as I was the meanest gunship in the world. We had to do this to save face. None of us wanted to admit we were just scared young boys playin at a mans game,that really wish we were not over there having to make war. I know myself I would of rather been home going out with "Mary Rottencrotch". Anyway to the point. I came up with an idea. I think all of my fellows men and women veterans of the 129th should get together and show what a great unit we are. We can talk about how good we were, well lets be again. We talk about what we all did but what have we done lately? I think we should find a helicopter unit in Iraq and adopt them. We could all take a man or woman and write to them, send packages and let them know WE of the 129th know what it is like and WE the 129th suppot them. Help boost their morale. Damn folks they are our fellow veterans. We made a differance once lets do it again. We know what they are going through first hand who better than us? Lets please all rally together and show how great of a unit we are now as well as in the past!! Let us support our fellow flying veterans as no one supported us. What I think is great as we were made up as a unit of crew chiefs, gunners, pilots, cooks, and clerks. (sorry I know I missed some of you.) We all pulled together to make up a great unit. We can all contribute to this effort. Lets turn back the hands of time and right a wrong. Lets let them know we CARE!! You guys and girls are the best and thank you for the support you have given me and allowing me to write this. Randy (66-68) kingcobra697@yahoo,com
Randy
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 08:38:23 (MDT)
To Baron, Shorty, Sue, and dear Fred: You are in my thoughts and prayers. Very difficult times for all. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 06:29:16 (MDT)
Flight, a warm "welcome home" to the NFG's and I hope everyone who is not feeling well a "quick recovery". As far as buying a chopper..............we've discussed this before and we all decided against it for a number of reasons. I think the sensible thing would be to buy a non-functional Huey for a static display at the "Pop A Top". Who cares if it's a Sedan, Coupe or Hotrod. This site is for all members of the 129th AHC......Clerks, Cooks, Motor pool, Avionics. All that was with the 129th are welcome and have just as much say as anyone else, be you a Pilot, Crewchief, Gunner or Mechanic. I'm really not trying to put a damper on this, but, think about it. NOBODY is following us.........when we are gone, the 129th is gone. Our youngest member is probably pushing 50 and some has never even flown. Hey, I'll go along with the majority......maybe "Wink" has something going there. I guess this will be discussed at Indy. All I'm trying to say is..... we welcome all past members of the 129th, so, let's really make them welcome and not scare them away. In 2004, a Huey is a Huey is a Huey! Alvis, I hope that you got thru the weekend ok. You know you can call if you need to. Also, send me your new address again...I must have misplaced it. Always a brother, Gale
Gale 67-68
Clinton, In US of A - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:31:18 (MDT)
Mark, another Birthday? You must be gettin old. I hope you had a good time Brother. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:17:40 (MDT)
Flight, have tried to stay ouy of politics but a guy sent me this site & am putting the addy on here for your perusal, please form your own opinion & member "don't kill the messenger". I did not make this. Sue, sorry to hear of your sons' friend. Happy birthday Mark & Fred A.(hang in there), only acceptance will heal, not whiskey.>>>> http://www.stopjohn.com >>>>> respects to all>>> Smitty
Jim Westwang 71-72
Sheridan, wy USA - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:24:22 (MDT)
Mr. Mark Jackson...a belated Happy Birthday to you, my friend. I was going to send you greetings on that day, but things have been difficult in the last few days. My son, Brent, lost a friend in an accident...funeral is tomorrow...so my mind has been preoccupied trying to help him deal with this. Anyway...hope you had a good one!!
Sue
Celina, OH USA - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:07:05 (MDT)
Cups and North- Missed this yesterday but I do know what we were doing 33 years ago on April 17. I think one was paying 5 bucks for a Crown Royal at the Sea-Tac airport. Take care!
Snapper
USA - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 08:55:50 (MDT)
I post this now,as I am getting drunk now and plan to continue intill that damn day has passed. clear right,tails clear,and look out, another one in coming down the pike.
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 21:39:11 (MDT)
april 18th,1972,2 corp, vietnam,60th ahc compound. The place was quiet. A hushed atmosphere covered the place like a wet blanket.Rumor had it that we had a bird down, all crew lost.I was camped out in operations, awaiting word.The day was drawing to an end,colors spread across the sky as only vietnam could display them.In the growing gloom,word came in,": ship down,all crewmen lost".Both my roomies were on board,I was worried. The news came as right to the chin, it floored me.Walking back to the hootch,surging with emotion,I saw nothing ,nor anyone.Jarvis,barley old enough to be there and the "pet of our close circle of friends, confronted me, with that young, innocent smile of his."Hey Alvis,you heard anything yet"? "They are dead", was my reply.With a stop shitting me around look, he ask again," come on man, he heard anything"? He was the first person I remember passing,in that long walk back to the hootch, where I shared a room with two of the crewmen of that doomed ship." They are fucking dead man, understand?, fucking dead and they aint comming back"!, I almost screamed at him.utterly crushed,I will never forget the look on his face, his shoulders sagged, his face turned toward the ground, he did an about face,to return to his lonley hootch.In my anger and hurt, I had just crushed another of our close circle of friends,our friend.I continued to walk,alone,uninviting, to our hootch.Surrounded by their belonging,alone,I wept.For 3 days,I stayed in that hootch, ner a vistor except the offericers that came to claim there belongings.I had to tell them whos was what. The c.o. wouldnt let me write to there familys yet,I suppose he wanted time for the goverenment to tell them their sons and husbands were dead.I used to go to the wall every april 18th, have a drink with my roomies, but i cant do that any more.To many people.Now I mourn privatly,every april 18th.I still have my drink with my roomies.cw2 Ronald H. Wiggins, cw GREGORY w. HERMAN, SP4 DAVID d. Stover, pfc Tommy J. Becker,I render a slow respectful hand salute, to you my brothers, who gave all. I tried to contact your familys. forgive me , I failed. PTSD got to me in those early years,now its to late. I will see you at fiddlers green, i will have our drink .You are in my thoughts, almost daily.TO those on this site, forgive me for posting this,buts its a yearly thing i do,something I must do, I have no choice.Its a private thing that must sometimes be displayed plibicly. forgive me. I request,nor invite, any comments.They slammed into a mountian, then burnt to death.Wings are for angels as well as vietnam helicopter crewmen. peace my brothers.
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 21:05:32 (MDT)
good luck and best of health to you shorty.
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 19:41:32 (MDT)
Just to hit base with all the ones i know. Here is my new e-mail. I am starting to have problems from the war. I do not get around as much as I use do but still think about you all. Powers Vega and the others give me a ring or email phone is 509-469-7461. I go into the hospital in seattle on may 14 for a mri and will go from there. Good luck and happy hunting to you all. Shorty howard or mini oik
Howard "Shorty" Boling <boling7461@msn.com>
Yakima, WA USA - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 12:19:00 (MDT)
You may have heard that they've released John Hinckley from the mental facility for unsupervised visits to his parents home on weekends. For those of you who may be too young to remember John Hinckley shot President Ronald Reagan to impress the actress Jodie Foster. This is such a nice letter from the President: THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON D.C. Mr. John Hinckley St. Elizabeth's Hospital Washington, DC Dear John: Laura and I hope that you are continuing your excellent progress in recovery from your mental problems. We were pleased to hear that you are now able to have unsupervised visits with your parents. The staff at the hospital reports that you are doing fine. I have decided to seek a second term in office as your president and I would appreciate your support and the support of your fine parents. I would hope that if there is anything that you need at the hospital, you would let us know. By the way, are you aware that John Kerry is screwing Jody Foster? Sincerely, George W. Bush
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 07:55:48 (MDT)
Fred Skaggs and crew....just received a call from G.C.tonight and he wanted my to convey that he has Baron up North to take in the cool Spring air to take the heat off Baron's 4inch titanium disc brain implant. Northern Tier VA Medical team dispatched to treat Baron over weekend. G.C. says, although Baron was shakey on the drive up they dined on wall-eye at NA-TAH-KA. Baron calmed down only after returnung to the cabin and played some long lost tapes....10 Years After Anthology 1967-1971, "Good Morning Little School Girl" 7:65 and Live at Woodstock, "I'm Going Home" 11:50. Strong recovery expected by Monday. P.S. Fred, your criptic prose post delivered via land line to Baron. Message received.
C.B
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 23:09:32 (MDT)
with all this talk about getting a ship well it occured to me that we already have one in our back yard, so to speak. an the good part is we know it's one of ours without searching for one. you guessed it THE IRON BUTTERFLY. a few months ago i went up to leesburg to locate tropical aviation where it was being stored. i located tropical aviation an spook to the owner of the business an he told me that the guy who owns the iron butterfly no longer works for him. he also told me that the owner of the iron butterfly is now working for an outfit at the lakeland regional airportan that the iron butterfly is storing it at his home in sumter county. my thought is maybe we can buy into ownership with him. if he is restoring the iron butterfly on his own or has a partner, we might be able to buy in .it could work out well for all concern, we have our ship, a place to store it ,a certified machanic an we could supply him with what he needs,cash.rick what do you say?i would like to get a bor c model but if we work it rightwe could get one later in time. just a thought.
wink
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 22:49:29 (MDT)
For Cobra F.Baron......Santa Clause came in late last night/ Drunk on Christmas wine/ Hung his bag out on the laundry line/ There`s a Cobra Gunship for his golden boy/ And there`s a Bulldog Slick for his pride and joy/ And there a star by you name in the book of fliers/They hung a star buy your name in the book of fliers
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 22:15:15 (MDT)
Smitty, gotcha on that one!!! Made the 'Man' out of useless, E-4 was the reward!!! Was asked if I wanted to go to shake and bake school, quite a laugh at that one, I was such a kid!!!! :>)) Me, a 17 year old E-5 buck sergeant???. Sue, you might as well know this; a HUEY can't fly!!!!!! One of the first things we learned in AIT! The Piasecki was quite an ugly bird, still, it did the job. I thought the only difference between the B-C-M models was the engine. The mike had an L-13 in it, still, we used to load it up so that it had to crawl down the line on a hot day....Gene Turcotte showed me nothing but respect when I got back from Nam, after I went through a few episodes of despair, we sat down and had a long talk. His observation was that everyone wanted to know what you did, just so they could be revulsed at what you did! According to him, only a few really killed, and for the most part, wanted to be left alone in the kowledge. The one's who talked the loudest were usually the one's who did the least. HIs message stayed with me, eventually I got over it....A tank Destroyer was an improvisation. A 105 howitzer, mounted on a deuce and a half, sometimes it was on a half track. Quite effective when on offense, but, it could be knocked out by a sniper!!!! Still, it could knock out a Tiger tank!! More than could be said about the Sherman!!!!
Kim
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 20:28:28 (MDT)
I forgot to give out my e-mail if anyone wanted to get a hold of me, it is ragonese@delaware.net. If anyone needs to get a hold of my dad Lou Ragonese he changed his e-mail address a few days ago to lourags1@aol.com. If anyone has tried to reach out to him he requested that you resend any e-mails that recently went out. Or I can pass stuff onto him myself. I am pretty sure that any maintenance done is legal, as long as an A&P mechanic inspects the work. Most of the time that Mechanic wants a fee for the inspection or will contract the work needed. Engine work is the most critical. Any avionics (my specialty) today is pretty reliable. Most avionics packages come pre manufactured and it is just a matter of running all the wiring harnesses. Once a plan is devised I can do some leg work around here in delaware because there is a company I almost went to work for that is a small outfit that specializes in helicopter build up. They maintain the State Police helicopters and are very good at what they do. Or I can always talk to the Base Museum guys at Dover Air Force base as to do the structural work. Certainly whatever gets the job at a good and fair price especially if it comes as a donation to the organization. On my days off I will start e-mailing some people about researching and locating those tail numbers posted. I will report back with any findings.
Tom Ragonese
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 17:39:12 (MDT)
Sorry to hear about the losses that have happened, haven't checked in in awhile. My personal feelings on the ship is B or C Model fits the bill. I remember going into an LZ & when they were right beside us , felt safer somehow when in CE seat i could see the gunner of b/c right in the eyes, often shooting under our skids. They covered us like a warm blanket. No offense to AH-1 jockeys meant. We just didn't have them much. When i was in the 120th down south, our oldest ship was b model 62-1892 Note year & only 4# behind, was still there when i left. I know we have a lot of guys who can fly & work on these but remember, it takes a civilian license to fly & an A&P ticket to work on same, not trying to rain on parade just facts. Mike Miles i think is still flying for the Govt. Although mostly fixed wing & Don't know if he has a Rotary license. Anyone else? Anyone with an A&P ticket? Not to blow my horn but was a good mech. & grad 4th in class at eustis,Va. Am willing & sure will pay my $ to have ashes shot from ship.>>>Respects & more at Indy>>>Smitty
Jim westwang 71-72
Sheridan, Wy USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 17:02:57 (MDT)
Wow...what an awesome idea. Purchasing an aircraft! Would it be an artifact or actually capable of taking flight? Also, where would it be located? Count me in on helping raise whatever money is necessary or brainstorming to come up with ideas on fundraisers. I know very little about the aircraft themselves so would leave it to you good gentleman to decide what model to go after. I would be more than willing to help in any other ways...perhaps, once we get going on this project...a story? Sometimes taking an idea or story public at the appropriate time generates interest that can lead to some positive things. Keep up the thoughts and suggestions here... Sad here in Ohio...my 16-year-old son's friend/tennis teammate was killed in a car crash last night on his way to the school's tennis match. The community is in mourning as he was an exceptional kid. I'm trying to explain to my son the reason such things happen. He's never been exposed to death on such a personal level. The team voted to play their scheduled match today, but I know their mind's won't be in the game. Gonna be a long weekend.
Sue
OH USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 16:17:16 (MDT)
GOOD EVENING FLIGHT Of course Baron would like a M Model. He likes to hover. No offense, but the sole of the Cobra's was a B model We had the name before the AH-1G and we did things with them they could only dream about.We couldn't carry much, so we had to make it count. No truer test of being sober, straight , or crazy than first thing in the morning pulling pitch, hoping for enough pedal and trying to hop the damn thing out of the revetment, drag it down the line with sparks coming of the skids, hoping again to hit transition so you hop over the fence, power line and plunge the nose praying that it was going to fly again before you hit the ground. Of course if this does come to be , with a full dressed gunship , it better be a Mike Model or you would only carry one person at atime. Any way I'm off to the South of France for a family wedding and will check back in a couple weeks\ LITTLEJOHN 70/71
LITTLEJOHN
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 15:31:49 (MDT)
Baron asked me to touch on a few points befor we go off on much needed weekend leisure. Kim, sorry about your 2nd. Dad, sounds like he was a tough old soldier. Second: Newly commisioned Viet artwork to be unvailed at Indy is progressing well. In his words, it will be,"Pretty Slick ". Third: That we had six Mike Models assigned to the 129th. in July , 1971. They are, 65-09450, 66-00632, 66-00643, 66-00649, 66-00712, 66-00740, 66-15212. He is posting a $1,000.00 cash reward to any person, or persons who can find and help us procure any one of these aircraft. Fourth: That it has become very obvious that we will need an (H Model) as well as a gunship to make this Company complete. Mark Jackson deserves it because he brought us all together. Larry Jackson deserves it because he gave it all, and you gentlemen deserve it because of everything you have done. Baron says that he is a wreck without his ,(Little China Girl) and that his name is Cobra F. Baron, and he approves of this message. 70 and beautiful here in Mi. G.C. OUT.
G.C.
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 14:04:24 (MDT)
Kim LaVoie...I get to yakin and forget my way sometimes...I`m truly sorry about your WW2 friend. I have a 83 year old uncle, that did the Bastogne thing. He has steel plates in his heels because of frostbite. He came thru Omaha Beach with the "Big Red One", he also kept a diary. He`s a retired Baptist minister....But when in France, I went to Omaha Beach and collected 3 rocks and a bag full of sand. I gave my uncle a bag of sand and a rock, and I kept a rock and two small jars of sand. I still have a baggie of sand and one rock, would that be worth anything at a 129th auction? Anything that will make money for our cause.....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 12:21:01 (MDT)
Flight, FYI There is a "B" model that was with the 129th that is at the base close to here, they have not started to rebuild it yet. So it might be posible to aquire it. They already have one B Model from another company that they have rebuilt, but I'm sure ours would come at a price. Lou I will try to contaact you direct as I was in company at the same time as you and Fred S.......Clear Left........Casey
Matt Casey
Hemet, CA USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 09:45:39 (MDT)
Morning, Flight! It's springtime in the Rockies... Fred S., yep I'm still at that addy... like a kid at Christmas I can hardly wait, Bro! Tom R., I found a web site for the "Commemorative Air Force", an organization that's a kind of "living museum" of WWII aircraft and memorabilia out of Midland, Texas. They also do air shows. Just do a Google search and it pops right up. There is a National Guard unit out of Eagle Valley near here that still has some Hueys. They flew them in for the Fruita memorial dedication last July 4th. Kim, sorry to hear of your buddy... typical of those old warriors: don't say much, but what they DO say, and how they live speaks volumes. Animal, while we're asking about acquaintances do you know a guy named Victor Shaver who lives near you? He's a brother to my mom's husband, who they're planning to visit this summer sometime. Mom asked me to ask you.
Dave Powers
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 08:09:13 (MDT)
Kim, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Please give him a "thank you for serving" from me,if it wasn't for our WWII vets we may all be speaking German right now. Glad to see the posts on the Mike model idea. Some of the ideas are great and very do-able. Mark, you're right, sounds like a business meeting is in order at the re-union. Everyone should make note of their fund raising ideas between now and then, and if you have any personal "large ticket" items you are considering throwing into the pot, please get info on its value between now and then: knowing what we have as a base at that time will help in some decision makeing. Roy, feel free to look into the 503C info and bring it with you to the re-union. We may make it your responsibility:>)) The VVA is a government recognized military organization, maybe the 129th could become a VVA Chapter and purchase the huey that way. And to the gentleman who came up with the idea and called me----great job! You guys are sounding like a unit again. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 07:05:10 (MDT)
Animal, That bumper sticker stirred me. I've been offering my hand to people in public lately, introduce myself as Viet-Vet, just to test awareness, reaction. Some look at me with shock, as if to say," I thought all you VietNam guys had your tongues cut out 30 years ago". I smile as I walk away. I think ,"Pedro" was just a confidence builder for Aircrews in distress, you took one look at that goofy thing in the air and realized that you really did't have it so bad. No disrespect," Pedro" I'm sure you put out many fires and saved lives.
Baron
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 05:59:29 (MDT)
Sir Baron(Brother Gary).....C.B. and I knew if we got you on-board on this web-site, that you would do some "world shaking" things for us. You have this wonderful way of "pushing the envelope" and motivating people to "look over the edge". It`s great to have you here, My Brother!!!! Dave Powers....Is your address current in the contact section.....I finally received something I ordered for you yesterday. I have to put it in the mail for you.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 05:22:54 (MDT)
Also I was in contact with the Base historian at Fort Rucker. I inquired with him as to locate a particular Helicopter. He said he would try, maybe there is a slight possability to obtain one that the 129th actually possessed. I know that when I served in the Delaware Army Guard they had alot of Viet Nam era Hueys. I never thought to look into any of them, I am not in that unit any more and they traded up for Blackhawks. I'll never forget my first skid landing either in a huey. I was not aware the pilot was going to do it and we were all on Night Vision Goggles. I thought the aircraft was on fire and that we were crashing. I about crapped myself. It was a good time. Anyway, I am sure we can track down a specific huey if you want. My dad recommended to me that we look into they Army Depot at Corpus Christi their records will be most effective in locating those tail numbers and their status. I am not aware of the Confederate Air Force but if I can find a contact surely I can find out how they do it. An operational aircraft would probably be best. Imagine landing it at a reunion. The 129th would be the most envied unit. What a way to pull together!!! I am pretty excited thinking about it. There is also a computer program called "Not for Profits for Dummies" I am borrowing it right now from someone. It is pretty good in explaining everything an organization needs to do to get that 501 c 3 not for profit status. I will burn a copy of the program for who ever wants it but I only have the one book that goes along with. Let me know I will burn it and get it out to whoever wants it.
Tom Ragonese
USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 01:51:36 (MDT)
CB, I'm afraid I don't recall Butch Haupt. Is he in Hawaii? One thing I love about this sight is how a post can shake out some of the cobwebs in my addled brain. Baron did that by mentioning "Pedro". I had'nt thought of that strange bird for decades. It was the Air force crash chopper at Phu-Cat, Right? I remember the weird "egg beater" side by side rotor system. Later, Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 00:27:40 (MDT)
Evening flight, I'm kinda' crazy about H models myself but I like the B model too. I don't remember us having anything else while I was there. I left in Mar 70. as for having a hydralics failure .... every time we did a test flight we would shut off the hydralics for a check to see how the bird handled. I was flying left seat on one test flight. (BTW I was an E-5 Not a pilot) after that test flight I had a LOT more respect for our pilots. I got some stick time on that flight. when everything was working fine it felt to me like all you had to do was think .... and the bird did it so you better be thinking ALL the time. with a hydralics failure .... it took both of you to even keep the darn thing in the air. much less getting it to the ground in one piece. so I say to anyone that can put one down in one piece with a failure like that, MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU SIR ! ! ! AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE AN OFFICER OR NOT YOU DESERVE THE TITLE OF "SIR". well that's enough babbling for me tonight. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 23:15:57 (MDT)
Did everyone put the extra postage nessecary on your income tax filing? Remember, it has to go all the way to Iraq!
C.B.
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 22:36:32 (MDT)
right on baron, cobra power rules.
wink
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 22:23:07 (MDT)
ANIMAL: What are odds you would known Butch Haupt....in relation to Veteran's issues, claims, etc. He is originally from near my hometown. ROBBIE: Wasn't this C.B. that emailed you. C.P.B. perhaps? C.B.
C.B.
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 22:20:18 (MDT)
Hey, any of you people ever work with a B Model Huey Gunship. Now thats the little honey we need. My opinion. Frank
Frank Loveday
Bastrop, La USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 22:10:09 (MDT)
Mark, Guys probably already told you that I'm a cross dresser. Sedan or Coupe, both have merrits , but Mikes rule and H's drool. Read my last post.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 21:08:30 (MDT)
Kim, Had hydraulic failure while in second platoon. A.C. was Buck (Owens) , Seems like he was a platoon leader. We were up near PhuCat when it happened. Collective was almost impossoble to move with any kind of smoothness, jerky. Cyclic was stiff as well. Buck called PhuCat for a running landing. They sent Pedro up just in case we balled it up on the way in. Both of us had to get on the controls to make a shallow right hand turn onto final , and we made the longest, shallowest landing you could imagine with both of us pushing down on the collective. We still only ate up about one quarter of the east taxiway. I remember the smoke curling off the skids as we ground to a halt. We had good controll all the time but it was still tense. Checked Toms suggestion .AAHF has a Bell UH1-M ID N917L in stock , No link or photo . Thanks for all the info and offer for good help Tom.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 20:56:39 (MDT)
Ladies and gentlemen........Good evening from Ohio.......With all the talk of the purchase of a ship let me say this. I have setting in front of me the manual from the U/S. Army Material Command Static Display/Monument Program Hand book. Says that there are Army Combat, Tacticak, Aviation, and Armaments Equipment Available. Comes from TACOM-WARREN, Michigan.......Under the "Who Is Eligible to Receive Their Equipment" is saysMunicipal Corporation, Soldiers' Monument Asso, Museum, HistoricalSociety Or Historical Intitution Of a State or a Forein Country.......Incorporated Museum.......VFW's....American Legion's.. A Unit of any other recognized War veterans Asso ( Which maybe we could become) or Post of the Sons of Veterans Reserve...........are we, or can we be anyone of these's......Heck The Pop-A-Top is a Meseum already. Maybe we can get it certified!!!!!....also says that this equipment is DEMILITARIZED, Rendering it completely ineffectual as a lethal weapon and makes all movable parts stationary.....HUM??????...we want one that works, right?..........I'll bring the book to the reunion.......this is a really great IDEA..........I got the book because I wanted to try and get one to set on the roof of the Pop-A-Top last year, but scrapped the idea......Maybe it is time to rethink the idea of a working model of some kind. I myself am percial to the H model as a Slick like Larry was CE on..........always a brother.......Man, looks like we are going to have to have a business meeting at the reunion in JUne..............Mark
Mark
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 20:43:15 (MDT)
A tax exempt corporation is a good start. I also know that a few years ago, the Veteran's organizations were offerred military surplus equipment for display purposes, at a discount. Is there something to be gained by inquiring? Bravo, Charlie, Mike works for me. Jet 'A' is about 1.10 a gallon. Cheaper than JP-4, but, it works. Shakey Pete would be right along side on a venture like this, just don't let him free up a stuck rocket!!!!!To the pilots among us.....what happened when the hydraulics locked up? As I recall, there was a difference between the D/H models and the B/C/M's. We were always told that our reservoir had enough for a couple strokes of collective before freezing in place. After that, it was throttle only for control. TRUE?????? Trade a Plane has plenty of old Hueys for sale.....Animal, it's a small consolation that what makes our country unique is the right of free speech, just let the dipshit have his day, and find solace in the knowledge that he more than likely didn't serve, and it's because of folks who did that he can hang a stupid saying on his car!!! On another note, a good friend, more like a second father, is dying, got about a week at most. He very seldom mentioned his service in ww2. Every now and then, he'd talk about the truck he worked. At one of his unit reunions, it came out that the "truck" was a tank destroyer, in third army!!!! Went through the breakthrough to Bastogne, no winter clothes, severe frostbite, quite a story, learned very late in his life,,,One never knows.............
Kim
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 20:19:39 (MDT)
Correction: The PC term is "Commemorative Air Force".
Dave Powers
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 20:18:46 (MDT)
Baron, I LIKE the idea! I mentioned a while back on this site that a group from near here got an old H-model junker to use in a memorial from some government surplus source. They had to buy the thing ( a few thousand dollars I thought it was), but it was gutted. Somebody here found a working model on eBay for $60K or so. Tom Ragonese, I'll bet there could be grant money for something like this. I wonder how the Confederate Air Force does it? Is it all private money?
Dave Powers
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 20:12:35 (MDT)
Just wanted to tweak the cremation ash idea. Loading the minigun ammo with the ash would make for a much more colorful send off. Of course there would have to be an upcharge for the ash-to-ammo process. C.B.
C.B.
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 19:30:09 (MDT)
Kids.....They are the Ultimate fund raiser. I learned this today. It was not by selling them if that is what any of you are thinking. Today I took some of the kids on my son's t-ball team to raise money by holding cans at the exit of a convenience store. About 7 of the cuteset, 5-8 year olds saying "please help us" just made tons of people give money. In less than one hour we made between 150-200 dollars. Just think if we worked them for eight hours a day for about six months. Also I was looking at a website last night www.armyav.org, it appears to be a bunch of vets who own various army aircraft on their own and as an organization. They me be a good source of assistance to you in obtaining the aircraft of choice. I am in the process of starting a 501 c 3 organization, it is not hard especially if everyone is on the same page and then once you have that status depending on how you form the organizations purpose you may be able to get federal grant money for special projects. I see that on that other website they market themselves as a group that goes out and educates the public on the army aviators experiences. Surely the idea is obtainable an maybe quicker than some may think. I would like to help in anyway I can as sure my Dad (Lou) would too. I am sure he would love to do alot of the maintainance on a huey. I also have some friends at the Dover A.F.B. Museum who may be able to help in aircraft restoration and may even be able to get funds for such a project. I have not talked to any of them yet but surely I can get some assistance out of them. Thanks
Tom Ragonese
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 19:16:00 (MDT)
Animal...That IS a strange bumper sticker.....hasn`t hit the main land yet....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:47:51 (MDT)
Baron...Working Horse was your words on the phone....I know....short term memory thing....Just repeating what my AC said....SIR....Baron...LOL
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:44:21 (MDT)
With counsiling and Meds I'm making a lot of progress with my PTSD, but today I saw something that set me back some. Pulling into the Post Office I noticed a bumper sticker on a pick up pulling out that said " VIET-NAM, IT'S ALL OVER, AND THEY'RE ALL BACK". It took me awhile to stew about it, and I can't wait to see the #!!#?? again. No matter what a person believes, I can't see any reason for that sticker except meaness. What a dick. Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:36:53 (MDT)
C.B. Just remember to save my skull for display. I'll pledge twenty dollars for my bones.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:34:34 (MDT)
last line of my last post should have said Shakey pete would be ON BOARD...not board. c.b.
c.b.
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:26:10 (MDT)
no offense to F.S. or any other slick crew members, but the 129th ASSAULT helicopter company has to be represented by a gunship. ...and it needs to be fully armed. miniguns and light rocket pods would be my configuration choice along with the gunners m60's plus whatever personal weapons the crew feels necessary. i brought home the TM's for all the "automatic weapon subsystems" as the were offically called...'could still be stashed somewhere. don't worry about the law Fred. As I see it the right to bare arms amendment was put in place so the populas could take the country back from a rouge government out of control. in those days it was hand and long guns and maybe artillary. but to go up against the modern rouges would obviously require packing heavier than that. Who knows, maybe a 129th Cobra mike model could come in handy before too long!! (just kidding mr. ashcroft, if your watching). perhaps some very skillfully scaled models of that gunship could raise cash. since it's a long term undertaking many of us will die before it's complete. collecting advance payment for dispersal of cremation ash via gunship prop wash should garner a sizable sum. just think of the how many of those little urns would fit unto the gunship. it's a fundraising (not to mention capitalistic) dream. one trip...jettison all the ash...what a cost to benifit ratio. and baron...shakey pete would be board with this...hammer in hand, at the ready to knock lose hang-ups. regards, c.b.
c.b.
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:20:23 (MDT)
Fred Skaags, It would be a bird or ship, horses do not fly where I come from.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:14:42 (MDT)
Great story on the front page of the G.R. press, they restored a WW II CG-4A glider, Built in the old Gibson Refrigerator plant in Greenville Mi. tied the story in with Walter Cronkite and his experience with a glider, and the loss of 2,700 jobs to Mexico. Nice job to , thing looks brand new. Took ten years from what started as a phone call.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:09:08 (MDT)
Robbie, Good idea, I've got an old Chris Craft that I could unload. I havn't used it in 5 years.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 16:57:58 (MDT)
Sue, Fund raising to me is about getting the word out to the maximum number of donators and contributors, about blowing the horn and drawing attention to the cause. I'ts about a good story to generate interest and input. I think This web site is a great vehicle here to help make this wild idea turn into reality. We need to put some wheels on it. It sounds like Gently can figure out how to set up a 503C (cookie jar), all we need to do is fill it up. I don,t know what an M-Model would cost but I'll bet that there is one out there to be found. We need a (SYMBOL) a (MARK) to Identify with. Set a goal and make a plan. Do it for the Veterans , give them a ride. We'll offer Buddy Guy a ride, he played with Jimi Hendrix and Hendrix was a VietNam vet..Play the guitar for the cause. Look what happened to Shakey Pete and Jimi Hendrix. We don't want our future veterans to have to have such a hard time dealing with their return. Some how? Does this make any sense?
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 16:54:32 (MDT)
Hello Flight. Fred and Baron, good ideas, and on a smaller scale, I was thinking we could have garage sales, and dedicate the money we get to the project. I'm sure we all have some stuff we don't need or want and someone else will think they are treasures. Beauty day here in NY although it was quite cool. Supposed to be warmer tomorrow. I can almost see the grass growing now. Cherry, I still haven't gotten in touch with Mike Solar yet. We keep missing each other on the phone. C.B., good swapping emails with you. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 16:43:22 (MDT)
Sister Sue, The Baron is talking about buying a Helicopter( Company Hot Rod). Of course I would love it to be ARMED and ready "working horse". But I think the law would not like that to much. Now a good ole H-model could carry more packs and would only require two M-60`s to be fully armed. Maybe a M-79 stashed somewhere in the back wells. A couple of 9mm pistols up front for the pilots. But Gary(The Baron) wants a M-model gunship and I`m more a H-model (Slick) type guy. It would only cost a COOL half million dollars, plus upkeep. What`s a gallon of JP-4 run on todays market? Back in the day....we could have raised the money in the import business....with the help of a few friends in Mexico and South America. But those days are gone....maybe.....more than likely. So do our craftsmen here get to work and sell their crafts? Our artist crank out some works and sell them? Some of us property owners sell some of our investment properties? Take a chunk of property and put a "log cabin" on it and sell it for profit? Maybe franchise the "Pop-A-Top".... Lets have some feed-back flight.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 15:57:21 (MDT)
Baron...What are you suggesting?? Explain more to me. Maybe I can help with some fundraising. I've been known to have a few ideas myself. Expand on your thoughts please!
Sue
OH USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 14:04:24 (MDT)
Goldy, What do you think of this Mike-Model Idea of new ? It would certainly be the ultimate Company Hot Rod . I see it as a monumental task, but not out of reach of the talents and capabilities of this fine group. It would be a long term commitment to say the least, but tremendously rewarding and fun. I started thinking about this a lot after seeing Gently's post ,and at first thought it sounded pretty crazy. But soon came to the conclusion that who should better have a Mike Model as a symbol of what they are ,than the 129TH. Then I asked myself, What would Shakey Pete think of the idea if he were still with us and ? You know the answer. My life has gotten to the point that when I decide to do somthing, I just go ahead and do it. Nothing is wilthout reach. That's me, and I can't speak for anyone else. Anyone who knows me personally knows that when I commit, there is no turning back. Besides, Mushmouth got me all juiced up with his post about our, (Recon By Fire) mission , not long ago ,and the thought generated a desire for me to fly again. I'm not afraid of a Mike Model, especially when I'm strapped into it. Maybe you could send Mark that picture of the M-Model at PhanRang,to put up on site and see if we can generate some more intrest. I've had some small success at fund raising and have some pretty good ideas (I think) about some income generating projects we could look at. Anybody ? All ? Immagine the possibilities.
Baron
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 11:18:27 (MDT)
Idiots Jim...just idiots! LOL!
Gently
USA - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 10:18:28 (MDT)
Here's a funny little security camera clip,.....http://www.bullguard.com/badnews/
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 20:10:07 (MDT)
went to the v.a. today, sat around outside shooting the bull with the other smokers at different times. One worn out looking fella,said he was a nam vet. Of course the usual questions followed. Seems he was a door gunner.I was very surprised,as I run into very ,very few of us "out there".Says he was with the 121 ahc, way down south.Talked to him for a few,kokomo came up.says he has been to a few.I invited him to stop by "out place" this year.Says he has ran into 3 folks he fly with in the last few years, or telephoned them.Everyone he spoke to stated that they have found the load, or something else,but the point is, the have put vietnam behind them and "dont call me if thats what you want to talk about". I found that very sad.Thanks guys, for being here,clear left, alvis
alvis
USA - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:38:42 (MDT)
Melody, Your Uncles DD form 214 "should" be filed at your County Courthouse. If it is, I'm sure you could get copies there. Good luck....I wish we could help you more. Flight, to those of you that's retiring from the US Government (CSRS)with a pension, I turn 62 in May and I filed for Social Security. I paid into SS for 10 years before putting in 32 years with the USPS. Anyway, I'll start drawing a total of $174 per month....not much,but,it helps. Good luck to all those retiring. I've been retired for 4 years and have enjoyed every minute of it. Clear left, Gale
Gale67-68
Clinton, In US of A - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:57:16 (MDT)
Spiders, heat, sand, terror. I think that pretty much sums up the War in Iraq.
Sue
OH USA - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 16:41:45 (MDT)
Thanks Fred. I know osme of the medals he won but the copy I have has a fold though it that I can not see all of it. Need to request some new copys anyway...my grandpa can not find all that he had. I have it filled out and ready to send but jsut need to do it along with sending those pictures............as for those spiders I saw them on another site and OMG....those are some NASTY NASTY lookin critters.....YUCK
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 14:55:10 (MDT)
Got this off the Vhfcn, check out these spiders the troops have to contend with in Iraq. http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/camelspider.htm
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 08:18:22 (MDT)
Well, I'm going to cause a little excitement today...one of our "new" 129ers called me last night. He doesn't want his name used and because of our conversation he has become another of our "quiet angels." He donated $200 to our Christmas Fund, saying he "wanted to catch up." You guys! You're so wonderful! But there's more, and it includes involvement by all of us: he donated $500 toward a "new" fund so we can purchase a Mike model Huey!! He's very excited about this project especially because it includes that it be a working "horse" that can travel where we all are to visit and heal: kind of like "In the Shadow of the Blade." I see another documentary...do you? Maybe we could tie it in with the "Traveling Wall" and stop at all of its' destinations. What a guy!! Great idea! So you guys need to talk about it here on the web, share your ideas for raising what could be 1/2 million dollars, share your ideas on how we can use this "horse" to reach out to so many others who need you but do not have computers or any idea you're even out there. We know raising such an amount could take a long time, but we don't have that: we're all getting "up there." So toss out your ideas and we'll discuss it more at the re-union. We will also have to become a non-profit organization and get a 503C exemption, so the monies donated can be tax deductable. I'll leave you with that. And "quiet angel," go to Heaven. You new guys are scary:>))) Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 06:55:22 (MDT)
My Baseball and college caps are great conversation things. People always ask what college or team is that? I like obscure colleges like Fresno State or Xavier....U of Cincinnati gets alot of questions. Classic baseball hats like the Washington Senators, or old Houston Colt-45`s. I got a classic Boston Celtics cap Kelly green with "old english" B. Very rare and I haven`t seen one yet. Then I got my Kangol "Andy Capp" hats I wear for dress.....And I love my Columbian Straw hats....And when I wear a suit...I wear my "Godfather" gangster hat...Who needs hair.....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 04:43:44 (MDT)
Got that too Alvis.........
Keith 72-73
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 21:05:22 (MDT)
Thank you for the update gently.your an angel. I will of course. be attending,as I live only a handfull of minutes away from the hotel. My problem is I might need some help in geting there.Oh, I have enough for fuel,ect,heck, worse comes to worse, my buddy could drop me off.The real problem is that there is an adult "gentlemans club" ( read that naked women dancers) between here and there.Now , if you could see fit to float me a couple of hundred (in ones please),I am sure things would mount up in the correct direction for my atendance.I might be a little late,but what the heck..........MELODY, sounds like two of the medals you are refering to are the national defense ribbon and the crossed rifles are infrantry insigna ( I believe). Sounds like the pic was taken just after basic training.Those were the first "awards" for us and we posted them proudly on our otherwise naked uniforms.Perhaps if ytou have access to his dd-214( discharge papers), you can ask your congress person to have the medals sent to your home,if they werent ever presented,( mine werent).He should have a few more he could have worn,such as the vietnam campain medal,crewmans wings,perhaps expert or sharp shooters badges,to name a few. Need some help here guys.The medals he is entitled to should be listed on the lower left hand corner (kinda) of the dd-214. HAIR? who needs hair,I am so smart, my brains pushed out my hair long ago.Actually,I have a beard,my hair just grew thru to my chin.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 18:12:14 (MDT)
Baseball caps? How many do you need? They do work good, don't they? Mark, I will get the t/r blade to you b4 the reunion. I have not forgotten but have just been busy with work, yard etc.
jeff
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:22:42 (MDT)
She ask him why why i'm a hairy guy I'm hairy noon and nighty-night night My hair is a fright I'm hairy high and low But don't ask me why cuz he don't know It's not for lack of bread Like the Grateful Dead Darling Gimme a head with hair Long, beautiful hair Shining, gleaming, Streaming, flaxen, waxen Give me down to there Shoulder length or longer hair Here baby, there mama Everywhere daddy daddy Hair, hair, hair, hair Grow it, show it Long as I can grow it My hair I let it fly in the breeze And get caught in the trees Give a home for the fleas in my hair A home for fleas A hive for the buzzin bees A nest for birds There ain't no words For the beauty, the splendor, the wonder Of my... Hair, hair, hair, hair, Grow it, show it Long as I can grow it My hair I want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy Snaggy, shaggy, ratsy, matsy Oily, greasy, fleecy Shining, gleaming, streaming Flaxen, waxen Knotted, polka-dotted Twisted, beaded, braided Powdered, flowered, and confettied Bangled, tangled, spangled, and spaghettied! Oh say can you see My eyes if you can Then my hair's too short Down to there Down to where its Oh give me a head with hair Long, beautiful hair Shining, gleaming, Streaming, flaxen, waxen Won't you gimme it down to there (hair) Shoulder length or longer (Hair!) Here baby, there mama Everywhere daddy daddy Hair (hair hair hair) Grow it Show it Long as I can grow it My hair ( hair hair hair) Grow it Show it Long as I can grow it My hair( hair hair hair hair hair hair hair hair hair)
jim
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 14:08:52 (MDT)
We have $1325 in the Christmas fund. This is money donated by 129ers every Christmas season to be used by a brother, or brothers, who need help in some way: usually to get them to the re-union. Who goes, and how much we give them, remains a secret with the Christmas Fund Committee members. This year we are able to send a husband and wife team and another 129er. Once I get the totals needed in, we may be able to help more. The money comes from the heart of those who care to help their fellow brothers and who can afford to donate. Most of the donors don't post on the web. They are quiet angels. I am the only person who knows who gives, who doesn't, and how much they give. Many are only able to give $10...but it has added up. Others give more because they are able to, and want to. This year we also had a Rotor Tail bracelet(donated by our own wonderful Don Miller) to bid off among this group. The generous, final bid was $260, and it was given to a wonderful 129 brother as a Christmas gift. Nice gift, eh? So if you know of someone we can help send me their name(s) and email. If it's you, don't be proud, contact me. It's your money. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 14:05:38 (MDT)
I understand Fred.....Actualy mines only long on the sides and back.... if you know what I mean....Keith
Keith 72-73
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:32:52 (MDT)
I had real long hair thru the 70`s and 80`s, then about 94 I noticed the bathroom mirror light was reflecting off my head. Started getting it cut short, so it would look thicker. But that didn`t work either....so my collection of Baseball caps and hats have grown thru the years. Just one of those things you learn to live with.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:14:56 (MDT)
mines long too
Keith 72-73
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 11:54:06 (MDT)
...Got long hair, and keepin' it;-)....thought I may have to cut it fer a job I was trying to get but that fell through. HEY JEFF, didn't you say you had a Tail Rotor Blade for the Pop-A-Top?. If you get it to me in time I will take it to the reunion and have all there from the 129th sign it. Be sure to put your name on it!!!!......always a brother, Mark
Mark
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 11:49:54 (MDT)
jeff,me too.
jim
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 11:26:19 (MDT)
Snowing like heck here in Corinth, Mississippi today....you just never know..
Keith 72-73
ms USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 10:54:18 (MDT)
Hello Kim me and Gail use to live in Lynn.Mass a long time ago she knows all about what you say, she wantns to study under some in Mass, but i can't even say hisname nevet mine spell it' i think you two would get a lomg good Gently met her ask her about Gail, I owe a lot to her For with out her long ago I don't know where i be. i know it would not be here Kim I realy think you two could talk by mail when u mail me i send it to you ,You and her seem to a lot of the book she speaks of hope to hear from you Ray & Gail a brother and sister of the129th will you be at the reuion, oh she spells better than me to be safe oh we are hetting hit with heavy rain to and storms thanks for writing to the rest of my brothers and sisters i wish you all the best i enjoy reading here like posting to, ( to bad don't have spell check ) just kidding heck some times spell check can't even spell the word I want then at times it gives me so many they all look a like so I pick one I cant win but the maim thing I get to talk to you all you all mean a lot to me even the ones i haven't met for I will one day be safe a brother always Ray hard to stop ,,,,
RAY <stilwating#aol.com>
md USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 09:49:15 (MDT)
Wish I had some hair to grow long!
jeff
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 08:05:09 (MDT)
Fred Skaggs, HOOBASTANK??? What's with these young people today with their long hair and and musical groups with funny names, I just don't know what this world is comming to. LOL
jim
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 06:11:19 (MDT)
Animal(Greg) your opinion is worth gold, I`m always up for new music. I`ve been playing the hell out of ZZ Top`s new cd, "Mescalero", it`s really interesting how they stay with the times. And of course the master, Eric Clapton`s new one, "Me and Mr.Johnson", a tribune to the Grandfather of the Blues, Robert Johnson. Thanks Animal I`ll check Franti out.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 05:10:53 (MDT)
Fred S, Have you heard of Michael Franti? I just heard a CD by him called "Stay Human". Jazz,Rap,talkin blues, whatever it is, it's refreshingly relevant. (In my humble opinion) Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 02:20:03 (MDT)
Lou's e-mail is MaRags1@aol.com. Thanks
tom ragonese
dover, de USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:16:29 (MDT)
Lou, I tried to send you a e-mail...it came back...."illegal e-mail address". You doin something illegal Lou????... Just kidding....post you e-mail or better yet sent me a note and I`ll put you in my address book. Then I can send you a picture.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 20:53:08 (MDT)
Gary(Baron) sorry I missed your call....I`ll hit ya back in a few.....Kim LaVoie....Talkin Music....I bought ZZ Top`s 1972 album(cd)"Rio Grande Mud", tonight...It`s got a great blues song called "Mushmouth Shoutin".....Also bought Aerosmith`s new cd....They have went back to their roots...Starts out with Van Morrison`s(Them) song "Baby..Please Don`t Go" and breaks into Bo Diddley`s "Roadrunner", great stuff. LOU...I got a picture of you, with your back turned walking toward the flight line. I`ll send it to you....
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 20:32:31 (MDT)
Welcome home Lou, sorry I missed your post the other day. Hope to meet you in Indy.
J. W. Wilson
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 20:12:58 (MDT)
Ray G. I will send an email in a couple days, as soon as things slow down up here! We're in for rain, which means I"ll have time to work with a few pitcher's without having to deal with their playing schedules. As a martial artist, I was introduced to Bhuddism a long time ago, and found it fit my true beliefs more than christianity. Not that I don't believe in God, I do. However, there are so many things that don't add up in our society, and so much relevance in the Tao, both spiritual, and natural, that I was drawn to the teachings of Kang Fu Ju, and adopted his wisdom as a standard to measure all else with. It works for me............I think the blade's cousin lives just north of me, in a place we named Happy Valley, in the town of Avon, Maine!!!! The great question there...if a husband and wife get divorced, are they still brother and sister?
Kim
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 19:00:15 (MDT)
Lou, Met a guy about 2 yrs. ago here in Michigan who had a Loach, was that ,Hughes 500? Brought the Cabin in to the shop next to where I was working to get some abrasive blasting done on it. He found a good engine down in Fla. from a Law enforcement operation . He told me to come look him up , he's probably coming close to finishing it by now. I really liked the M-Model though, spoiled I guess.
Baron
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 18:22:11 (MDT)
Never mind...figured out what they meant....thanks!
Melody Pershall
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 17:30:42 (MDT)
Finally got a look at the uniform....there is one on there thats shown on the first page. The one at the very top..........The other one is the same shape almost but has 3 strips....first yellow, blue then red. On the blue strip is a sword. Also on the lapel is a pin with two rifles criss crossing...don't know what that means. Just wondering what they mean.....thanks.
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:54:18 (MDT)
They scraped most of the birds we had, including our lochs, those they sold to police depts all around the country. When I bubbled wraped the hueys they were heading west. Did a couple of AT"s at corpus, stripped and rebuilt the huey's from the ground up. I was in Huey heaven.
Lou Rags
Dover, De USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:46:12 (MDT)
Lou Rags, Sorry I missed your Sat. post. What did they do with the Hueys? Any Mike Models? Lets dig one up and use it for a 129th Mascot, Sunday rides in the Country Hot Rod. Gently, how much have you got in the cookie jar? Welcome Lou.
Baron
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:25:08 (MDT)
Welcome, Lou. I saw your postings but thought perhaps since I was new here, I had missed prior messages from you. Yes, I'm fairly new, with no direct ties to the 129th except for Mark and Larry. My circle of friends is expanding though, and it's wonderful to be associated with so many men/women of honor that are part of the 129th family. Feel free to kick off your shoes, Lou, and get comfy. If you are like me, this "feels" like home. Fred Skaggs...I had to laugh at your stay at Juvenile Detention!! I KNOW it wasn't funny at the time, but damn...what a scene in a movie that would make!! I remember, Mark...Tax Day. I also KNEW your birthday was near my brother's and his is today. (April 12) And you're going to be...uhh...39? I was curious to see the incident with the sisters in Iraq. My ex-husband had a brother in Vietnam and another brother received orders to go there as well. My ex-in-laws wrote to our congressman and the second son was sent to Korea instead. I wonder, does it take intervention on behalf of the family for that to happen? Does anyone know?
Sue
Celina, OH USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 14:00:25 (MDT)
Another one that`s got me is....The poor truck driver taken hostage....He had to sell his farm to pay off debts and feed his family. The sale of his farm didn`t quite pay all the debts....So he took a "high paying" job as a truck driver over in Iraq, to pay the bills and keep his family afloat. Now they`ve taken him hostage....this is something new that they are doing.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 13:59:02 (MDT)
The two remaining sisters will be home for the funeral of the third and everything is in the works to stop the remaining two sisters from returning to Iraq. Michelle Wittmer, one of three soldiers from Wisconsin KIA last week, is the 1st female National Guard to ever die in combat. I hope to attend her service. FYI. Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 13:40:15 (MDT)
A year ago my reserve unit said this activation would only be for a year. I (as many others) have been extended for six more months. I am certain that when that time is up I (and we) will be extended out some more. I as many other reservists are waiting to be sent over to Iraq, some have been, came back, and are going back. Someone asked me today if this is ever going to end? I don't know? The blades' cousin is quite funny, actually sounds like he could be from delaware but that would mean he would be marrying his sister. I have not heard from guys returning from Afghanistan about taking down the flag yet. That should never happen and I would be surprised if it did. But if it does happen to appease those who are helping us catch Bin Laden over there, then is that an exceptable price to pay? I don't know. All I know is that my time may be near to hed over to Iraq. My wife almost had a heart attack when I was looking at volunteering for the Civilian Police Force being established over there but then I got called up by my unit and had to scrap the idea. One way or another it won't be easy over there. I hope those guys over there don't get discouraged. I try to tell the guys who come back all the time "thank you for your service, It menas more than you think". that all for now, c-ya's
tom ragonese
dover, de USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 13:38:41 (MDT)
Ray G., I got your card....both of them...they were wonderful and very pretty, thank you. One of the young ladies killed in Iraq was from Wisconsin, she was a twin. She had her twin sister with her and another sister over there somewhere. Three daughters in Iraq at once, how does that happen? Their poor mother has to be crushed. Marky Mark....my mother-in-law`s brithday is the 15th. How old will you be?.....39 and holdin.... That`s what my mother said Saturday night, someone ask her age and she replied," 39 and holdin".
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 13:28:37 (MDT)
Jack Smith. We will miss your love for our Vietnam Veterans, your brothers, and for your fair writing and reporting on the Vietnam War years after we left Saigon. RIP. And Gail Gagner....what a nice surprise. Now more on this site will meet the interesting, well read, talented, intelligent and "out there" person who loves and takes care of Ray. Harrell, I'm disappointed we won't see you in Indy. If anything changes or you need our help to get there, just give a call. Same with you Don. We're here if you need us. Lou, get to Indy for the "real" Welcome Home, and let me know if we can help get you there. Mark, glad you're getting the VVA news and Press Releases, hopefully more of you will if you aren't already. We've lost 16 Wisconsin youth in Iraq-3 last week. Many soldiers who were planning on returning in May have been extended. Keep them in your prayers, as you are all in mine. Sue it will be great to meet you in Indy. I'm looking forward to getting to know you, a fellow supporter of our 129ers:>), and a friend of Mark and Dees'. any one been in touch with Mr. Paye Sir? Always there for our Veterans-Gently
Gently
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 07:19:39 (MDT)
......RAY....what Gail said was fine with me........and FRED S. and everybody.....please don't think that I don't want you to be yourself in here. It was just getting a little out of hand with some flame ups. All is fine......just as Fred Said,m before we even get to know each other, which really takes a life time, we need to just be here for fellowship and healing and what ever else this house does for you. I can't control what you all think and say, and I would never want to.........Easter was great here also..........and SUE.....yes B/day is this Thursday. 15th, income tax day, the Titanic sunk, and me. Trouble comes in 3's. Abe Lincoln died that day also........Good morning to all and take care.....always a brother, Mark
Mark
USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 05:58:56 (MDT)
HELLO FLIGHT, FIRST I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GRATE EASTER. WE SURE DID WITHE THE GRAND KIDS. GENTLY DID YOU ENJOY YOUR TIME OFF. NOW I GAIL WABTS TO KNOW IF SHE UP SET ANY ONE WITH COMENT TO THE BLADE SHE MADE SUNDAY, SHE SONT WABT TO MAKE TROUBLE SHE KNOWS HOW MUCH THIS PLACE MEANS TO ME. SHE NENT NO HARM, KIM SHE UBDERSTOOD WHAT WOU MEANT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO HER BY E MAIL E MAIL ME AND I SEBD IT TO YOU, GENTLY KNOWS GAIL SO I KNOW YOU DONT KNOW ME LET ME KNOW I SEBDIT TO HER OK. GAIL KNOWS THE ARTS PRETTY WELL THI CHI I KNOW I MAY HVE IT SPELT WRONG BUT SHE WONT.I SHE READS CHINESS PRPBEVS AGAIN SPELT WRONG SORRY BUT IF YOU DONT WNT TO TALK TO HER THATS OK TO NUT LIKE ME IF YOU WRITE HER PUT FROM THE 129th PLEASE THANKS MARK DID YOU NOT LIKE WHAT GAIL SAID, TO THE BLADE SORRY IF IT CAUSES TROUBLE YOU KNOW WE DONT DO THAT BUT SHE SAID WHAT HE SAID HAD NO POINT ON HERE AO I POLIGIS IF WE CAUSED TROUBLE OK FRED S IAM NOT SURE I THINK I SANT AN YOU A CARD TI FRED S I SURE HOPE YOU WERE THE ONE NOW THAT I SAID IAM SORRY. HOW WAS EVERY ONES EASTER, OURS WAS GRATE. GRAND SON WAS NOT IN HOUSE 5 MINS THEN ASKED IF WE HAD EASTER BASKESTS FOR THEM. HIS DAD TOLD HIM THAT WAS RUDE. I SAID YES BUT LIKE YOUR DAD SAID ITSNOT NICE TO ASK BUT I TOLD HIM THEY WERE NOT BASKESTA PUT PAILS, HE GACE ME A FUNNY LOOK. I SAID YEP CAUS WHEN MOMMY TAKES YOU TO THE BEACH TOU CAN PLAN IN THE SAND WITH THEN, HE SAID GOOD IDEA THEY HAD A GRATE TIME AS WELL AS US; I HOPE EVERY ONE HAD A GRATE EASTER TO WELL I GUESS I SAID TO MUCH LOVE YOU ALL, AND IF GAIL MADE A MISTAKE TO THE BLADE SORRY BUT I GUESS IF YOUR GOING TO USE A QUOTE SAY SO WAS HER POINT AND IT HAD NO MEANING HERE FORGIVE HER IF SHE MESSED UP A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY BE SAFE ALL
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 05:25:46 (MDT)
Haven't been on in a few days, getting kind of wild around here. Welcome Home Lou. the Reader's Digest version: was denied by the V.A. so I am trying to get more documintation, (cross your fingers for me). Donna is going in for more tests Monday and Tuesday, looks like she will have to have more surgery. trying to work ( I did manage to get 40 in last week). but boss didn't put me in for my vacation for the last period, so no paycheck last week. I am making progress on my trike :) don't have much time to work on it but I do manage to get out there about an hour a day. I did talk to a high school pal of mine saturday and he saw my bracelet and told me he had a complete chain I could have if he can find it. we went in right after graduation he followed my by 2 weeks till AIT was over. I got to go to Germany for 14 months before I went to the 129th but he went straight to Nam after AIT. well that's enough rambling for tonight. hope everyone had a great Easter. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 23:58:30 (MDT)
LOL
jim
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 21:50:10 (MDT)
Welcome Home Lou.....I`ve just been pre-occupied with other matters. I`m not ignoring you at all. Jim....your post keep a smile on my face......you`re a "good crazy" brother. Mark...I was 15 years old when the beer truck got stolen. But I took it to the "drive-in movie" theater....well I parked it behind the screen. Realizing I didn`t have a "church key", we went to a house down the road to barrow a opener. They called the police!!!! When the police surprized all of us....we were to drunk to really run. People said they saw 20 or 30 kids come running from behind the movie screen with cops after them. Look like the "keystone cops" movie. But I had on a No. 32 football shirt(think Jim Brown), the police yelled," Number 32....STOP"!!!!! Our parents let all of us spend the week-end in Detention Home. It`s funny now!!! It wasn`t then!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 21:31:40 (MDT)
Ya know that bridge right outside the main gate at Lane? There was a no fishing sign on it.Or was it no swimming, one of the two.
jim
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 21:00:23 (MDT)
LOU, I tell ya, ya get no respect (think Rodny Dangerfield) the first thing I read was Alvis detailing all the reasons why people in the south will kick your ass. I was afraid to say anything for fear of gettin my ass kicked. But you know how it is for F.N.G.s like us, gotta be around long enough and make enough noise to be noticed.I flew in from out of town, I tell the driver "take me to where all the action is" he takes me to my house.I tell ya, I get no respect. Do you know the difference between O.J. Simpson and Pee Wee Herman??? It only took 12 jerks to get O.J. off. Talk about no respect..
jim
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:49:33 (MDT)
WELCOME HOME LOU and back to the 129th. Your photos that Tom sent me should be posted in the Gallery Section soon....... Along with your email address also........Pull up a chair and hang loose.......not that any body is ignoring you.....must all been busy........glad you are here.........keep posting, you'll get chatter soon......are you going to be at the INDY reunion?....always a brother, Mark
ark
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:41:40 (MDT)
Gee guys you make me feel like if you're not part of the inner circle, you get no feed back. I wrote several notes on myself and not one person responded. How about making a newbe feel welcomed
Lou Rags
Dover , De USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:26:00 (MDT)
Happy Easter, Mark and Dee!! So, you were out carousing in Wabash? Good place to be. Nice area, rolling hills. Sounds like you had a good time. If I remember right, Mark...you had a birthday recently, didn't you??? I may take some of my spring flowers to Larry tomorrow. I haven't been there for a couple of weeks.
sue
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 19:48:54 (MDT)
EVERYBODY SING ALONG!!!!!!! In your Easter bonnet, with all the frills upon it, You'll be the grandest lady in the Easter Parade. I'll be all in clover and when they look you over, I'll be the proudest fellow in the Easter Parade. On the avenue, Fifth Avenue, the photographers will snap us, And you'll find that you're in the rotogravure. Oh, I could write a sonnet about your Easter bonnet, And of the girl I'm taking to the Easter Parade.......I looked it up. a rotogravure is a process for gravure printing from cylindrical plates. I didnt even that was a word not to mention in the song.... Jack Smith R.I.P.
jim
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 19:09:18 (MDT)
...happy Easter to all from Dee and I. We hope all had a glorious day. FREDDY BOY, sounds like you had a great visit back up here. A "Beer Truck"?????....question is, how many did you drink before that caught you;-))))..He,he,he,he, Hick up!!!!!!!!!!......SUE, your post warm my heart in here. Had the grandsons out to see Larry and then explored down in the Wabash by the bridge out that way...had a great time. There is a field out there that is so beautiful with a lil' hill on it that Dee and I would love to build a shack on and live the rest of our lives in......MAX W.............good to see your post. Congrats on retirering. I have an idea. Why don't you go fishing!!!!!;-)))))))))RAY nad GAIL......good to see your post also. RAY, sounds like you are getting somewhere with the VA. Good Deal....and Gail...I saw your post to the Blade......speaking of the Blade, it's anonymity is not a repectable practice in here and is under investigation by the powers at be...........GARY CARLSON........all the info about the Gig in INDY can be found out the bottom of the first page of the 129th site under 2004 reunion info...check it out and thanks for asking. Any body else wanting to know more please check it out. Would love to see lots there this year.....By the way.....I think Alex ask for a head count the other day from us. Is it possible for those that already know that they are going to stand up and be counted for Alex. Dee and I will be there.......YEAH RICK ENGLAND....it will take more then CUE not being there for you to win the golf turner. Wasn't you and I partners last year?.....I think we won last year didn't we?....or did we cheat on our score cards..NAAAAAAA!!!..Not us;-)))))....I remember we had to take a lot of shots at the one green where those sunbathers were at in the yard next to it last year...;-)))))))......CUE,.....will miss you this year....see ya next year I hope.......for those who don't know Cue, he has come to the reunions before and spent most of his time there with the 129th.........Gonna watch Band Of Brothers.....Love ya all.....Mark
Mark
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 19:04:11 (MDT)
Fred A..My mom`s bar was the VFW of the neighborhood when we all came home from Nam. 80% of the guys I was with last night are Nam combat vets.... we just went to high school together and graduated together and grew up together. We would see each other once a week or more while going through life. It`s more of a neighborhood thing and we`re still a tight knit group of guys. I`m the only one that moved and lives away from home. That`s all!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 19:02:09 (MDT)
Salute to Jack Smith...sorry Mark I reacted to the Blade...He`s making fun of southeastern Kentucky!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 18:52:35 (MDT)
Blades Cousin, why you`re almost family....My mother went to Moorehead State Teachers College in 1948 and 1949. It`s now Morehead State University...West Liberty is the county seat of Morgan County. My cousin is the principal of Crockett School. And the county sheriff is Charlie Canutte, my cousin`s husband, I`ll be sure to pass on your information, won`t be hard to figure out who you are. You should fit right in the new Federal Prison in West Liberty. Cause and effect....you got it Big Dog.
Fred Skaggs
Paintsville , KY USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 18:47:43 (MDT)
slow hand salute,with deepest respect, for jack smith. See you at fiddlers green sir
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 18:42:53 (MDT)
"band of brothers" on history channel tonight. Freddy, the bond that exist betwen flight crew members,espically friends,cannot be equaled.Matters of life and death,were in fact, every day, issues.We lived on the razors edge, anyday could have been the day we went to heaven or hell.It seems odd to put it that way, but its the truth,in hind perspective.Due to the "nature of the beast", we formed relationships faster and much deeper than "normal" society ditates. I suppose hate is also included in that. I know that,with my good friends,I was closer than I was with my own family members.In the 32 years I have been back, I have made friends that close few and far between.You can count them on one hand.Crazy?,naa, your a nam combat veteran. happy easter to all.
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 18:36:15 (MDT)
Just passing this on.............................. This is sad news. I added a news release to the #415 website under the "opinion section" 3 days ago.  http://415vva.homestead.com/Home.html  I am sending it along just in case you haven't seen it. He was a good man and good for all Veterans. He will be missed........RT      IMMEDIATE RELEASE Press Release April 9, 2004 No. 04-031 Contact: Mokie Porter (301) 585-4000 Ext. 146   VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA MOURNS THE DEATH OF NEWS CORRESPONDENT JACK SMITH ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Washington, D.C.) Ý Thomas H. Corey, president Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA), issued a statement today mourning the death of Jack Smith, a survivor of the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley and an Emmy-Award-winning correspondent for ABC-TV News. Smith, 58, died April 7 in Greenbrea, California. He suffered from pancreatic cancer.   “During the two decades he worked for ABC, Jack reached the pinnacle of his profession and was one of the most respected news correspondents in the nation,” Corey said. “But he never forgot his service in the Vietnam War nor his fellow Vietnam veterans. He consistently spoke out on veterans’ issues. Jack was a personal friend and a friend of all Vietnam veterans. He was always there for us whenever we called on him.”  VVA recognized Jack Smith, a VVA Life Member, for his broadcasting work in 1999 when he was given a VVA Arts Award for his contributions to American culture. He was the emcee and keynote speaker at VVA’s 20th anniversary celebration in 1998 in Washington.   “Among Jack’s best work,” Corey said, “was his involvement with the six-part documentary Vietnam: The Soldiers’ Story for the Learning Channel. That series reflected his knowledge of the war on a personal level and his strong commitment to show what it was like to take part in the Vietnam War for American soldiers. “Jack was a strong and effective Vietnam veterans’ advocate, and he used his national media platform to speak out for those who served in the nation’s longest and most controversial overseas war. Vietnam veterans owe him a debt. We will miss him terribly.” ### Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) is the nation's only congressionally chartered veterans service organization dedicated to the needs of Vietnam-era veterans and their families.  VVA's founding principle is “Never again will one generation of veterans abandon another.”
Mark
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 18:25:12 (MDT)
I am a crack dealer in Mt. Washington, KY who has recently been diagnosed as a carrier of HIV virus. My parents live in Morehead and one of my sisters, who lives in West Liberty, is married to a transvestite. My father and mother have recently been arrested for growing and selling marijuana. They are financially dependent on my other two sisters, who are prostitutes in Covington. I have two brothers, one is currently serving a non-parole life sentence at Eddyville for the murder of a teenage boy in 1994. My other brother is currently in jail awaiting charges of sexual misconduct with his three children. I have recently become engaged to marry a former prostitute who lives in Campton. She is a part time "working girl". All things considered, my problem is this. I love my fiancée and look forward to bringing her into the family. I certainly want to be totally open and honest with her. Should I tell her about my cousin who is a Kerry supporter? Signed, Worried About My Reputation
Blade's cousin
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 17:57:28 (MDT)
It's amazing to me that beyond the differing opinions and the various personalities of the people within the confines of this site there is a bond that enables everyone to always return. I can sense Fred Skaggs' happiness at coming home to Ohio, but also the reluctance at having to leave. I can sense the happiness of F. Alvis when he talks about his family. I enjoy reading the compassion of Ray and the expressive ways of Kim and the Baron. I could go on but I won't. Suffice it to say, I enjoy being a part of this, even if it's only in a small way. In all honesty, I believe things happen for a reason. Some may not agree with that mode of thinking but it's just what I believe. Mark and Larry Jackson led me to the friends I have found here. It's Easter Sunday, I've just spent the afternoon having dinner with my mother, my brother and his family and my children. I come home...log on...and come to the 129th. I guess it just wouldn't be Easter without being here at some point. And it's a good feeling, like coming home.
Sue
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 14:52:22 (MDT)
Being a history buff, and a political animal too, I can believe most anything our leaders attempt to do!!!!! "What is skillfully established will not be uprooted; what is skillfully grasped will not slip away. Thus it is honored for generations" Tao Te Ching... Our politicans are doing the expedient thing, looking for instant results, just as we do in our lives. It's unfortunate that we live in such a hurry, trying to save time in every thing we do. It's the way of industry, the way we live. NO one has time to reflect on truly long term goals. The NVA had how many lifetimes to accomplish theirs?????....Question: what do we do with all the time we save?......funny, I don't recall seeing the American flag at Lane. I think I fought more for the Cobra flag on top of the hill than anything else!!!!! Hope the holiday finds all in good health.
Kim
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 12:22:26 (MDT)
HELLO FLIGHT HAPPY EASTER TO YOU ALL. THANKS FRED FOR CLEARING UP YHE BIO WORD ALVIS I TO THINK THAT WOULD BE NEAT, FRED S I SENT YOU AMD YOUR MOM A EASTER CARD AND WISHED HER A HAPPY BIRTHDAY I DO HOPE YOU GET IT. SENT IN IN GOOD WISHES. ME AND GAIL HOPE YOU ALL A GRATE EASTER A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY BE SAFE
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:59:45 (MDT)
Happy Easter to all. Harell good to hear from you always. I don't you being gone will help me at all. hehehehehehe Be careful out there
Rick England
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:59:05 (MDT)
Happy Easter to the flight from beautiful Oregon. (The rain finally stopped.) I've sold my business, web site, and domain name, and am almost done with my last cases. I'll be taking early retirement (I'm 57), and will be helping my elderly folks, remodeling and landscaping my place, and fishing, fishing, fishing.... I have a hard time believing that U.S. troops in Iraq have been ordered to take down our flag; Old Glory flies over every U.S. base in virtually every country in the world, without any concerns about 'occupation.' I hope it's not true, but, what with the appeasment policies of our so-called 'leaders,' it just may well be. I better not get started on that issue.... Bite and Strike!
Max W.
OR USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:28:52 (MDT)
" WE ARE ONE".
Gary Carlson
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:08:02 (MDT)
BTW....Happy Easter......Ready to go back to Carolina.....with a heavy heart......I love "Sweet Home Columbus,Ohio"
Fred Skaggs
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:07:28 (MDT)
Whether we should be or should not be, we are definitely in a mess in Iraq that can turn a lot worse quickly. We are facing a task at which numerous dominant world powers have failed. We need every good mind and every resource on both sides of the political spectrum to successfully deal with this crisis. We can't cut and run and we can't fight using just force. It is quite gratifying to see members of 129th Brotherhood who completely disagree about politics join together to see this as an issue needing unity to the outside world. It is such a shame that our leaders can't do the same thing. Bottom Line....We are up to our a$$ in Shiites....Hope that keeps it clean for you Mark....I didn`t really cuss.... LOL... As far as the Blade....It`s a public web-site....The brothers and sisters of the 129th react and you make him or her or it happy. Very simple "cause and effect". Now being back home always grounds me, I`m in my element, more relaxed and happy. Being with my "childhood friends" last night confirmed what makes me who am. Paul Brice a great childhood friend of mine is now Dr.Brice, PHD Psychology, owner of the Southwest Psychiatric Clinic in Grove City, Ohio. Paul is a Nam Vet, 101st Airborne grunt, 69-70. But Paul and I talked over 7-UP and Pepsi`s about us. As kids, adults, and mid-life problems....and my problems with life. Most of the guys join in on the discussion....of course we pointed out our common bonds as friends. It went into the late evening after everyone had gone home, my mom , spouses, children, etc. As we went through everyones problems and disagreements, it finally came to me. To make a long story short....they all think my early retirement was a mistake. Of course I had my say about that....but as Bob Gentile put it," Freddie...you lost your purpose in life, your job was everything and your union activities valitdated who you were". "Freddie, never could we ever remember you not having having "a cause" to champion. You were a leader...and now you just live from "day to day". But I related my problems of the "web-site". And Paul made a strong case with.... "Fred...those relationships with the people you knew in Nam....that`s 35 years ago"!!!! Did you really know them then?...."You were a kid Fred....just like all of us". "They have had so many experiences that molded them into "who they are" now, not who they were then". "We as good friends got to see each other grow from day to day....from week to week....we knew who each other was". "But those brothers on the web-site, don`t really know you now". Well it was a refreshing evening, old friends raising issues with each other, just like the old days. But at a more mature level. Paul and I would set in the parking lot after closing, talking between ourselves about everything. As we sit there along would come the "local cop", Willie Davis, approaching 65 years old and retirement himself. As Willie approached us, he broke into a smile...."Freddie and Paul, you guys rehashing the 60`s and 70`s"???. He gave us a big hug and ask about Mom. Then he looked at me and said,"Freddie do you remember when you stole the beer truck"? "Not just a case of beer....the whole truck"!!!!!...I looked at Paul and broke out laughing....I had forgot about that!!!! But as we departed the parking lot, I would look at Paul and say, "Am I crazy Paul"? Paul would say," I don`t think you`ve reached that moment yet, not by a longshot". "You`re just still adjusting to being retired and not comfortable with not being "the man". That All!!!! ..........So flight, brothers and sisters, I`m not without my faults....sometimes they just get manifested here on the web-site. Paul was right.....I really don`t know you guys well now or never have known you. Just bear with me while I adjust....I`m not that bad of a person....I do have a heart....I wouldn`t have talked about it with "old friends" if it didn`t concern me......
Fred Skaggs
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 10:59:48 (MDT)
What F. Alvis wrote in his post about the American flag being flown was sad. A friend of mine has a brother who is currently serving in Iraq. He has been there a year. Was getting ready to end his tour of duty but now he has to remain another 12 months. Things are not leveling out as happens in post-war. Civilians are now our enemies. I only hope he is fortunate to come out of Iraq safely. I just wanted to share that with everyone. On this Easter Sunday, may we count our blessings for what we have and keep our soliders in our prayers.
Sue
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 10:25:26 (MDT)
Passed on without comment,except to say, I dont know if this is true..."alvis"...message is as follows...I would just like to pass on to all concerned. Today, here at KIRKUK > AB, Iraq, we were told that we were no longer allowed to fly the > United States flag. The reason we were given is so we would not > offend the Iraqi people. We were told that we are not occupying this > country! And apparently we are not in charge. Well, my question is > this. If we are not in charge, then who is? Obviously, the Iraqi > people are not. The Iraqi people do not run any of these bases over > here yet, and may not for quite some time. We at KIRKUK AB, Fire > Dept have up to today, both Post and Retire the colors > every > day. Today in a show of respect and honor especially for those who > have fallen, we disobeyed the order and raised our flag, but less > than an hour later we were Ordered to take our flag down. The morale > here is low, but our mission remains in focus. It is a slap in the > face of those families back home who have lost a loved ones. It is > also a slap in the face for those who still remain here, not only > protecting our people back home, but trying to make a difference here > in the pursuit of freedom for the Iraqi people. I would appreciate > the widest dissemination of this message. If we are to fly the > Iraqi flag with our flag then so be it. But don't tell > us > that cant show the respect for our flag, when so many have died in > the name of Freedom. The only people I think who would be offended, > are the people who kill innocent women and children in the name of > religion. Thank you > for > your support and prayers. > > Samuel D. Arbuckle, TSgt, USAFR > 506 ECES/CEF
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 09:33:29 (MDT)
"Amen" to Matt Casey. Bush and/or Clinton and Clarke or Rice did not attack us... it was the terrorists, pure and simple. The important thing is that we all stand up against them. Keep the main thing the main thing.
Dave Powers
USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 08:16:31 (MDT)
Happy Easter to everyone. Congratulations to Gale and Debbie. If I may ask a question of The Blade-regarding his posting on Friday April 9,2004. This sounds familiar, what relevance is there in quoting from Sun-tzu "The Art of War". We have all been there done that and some have the scars to prove it. May I suggest another point of view? Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching. The translations are in many forms, if you do not care to read may I suggest that you get the audio version by Ken Cohen. My best to all. Peace and Love.
Gail (Ray's wife) <Stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 08:07:02 (MDT)
Happy EASTER to all.....Keith
Keith 72-73
ms. USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 07:48:58 (MDT)
Happy Easter to everyone. I haven't checked in for a while. Retirement seems to be more work than I thought (ha). How did I have time to work. Due to my unit reunion in Aug and setting up new trailer at my camp, I won't be able to make Indy this year. Someone have a cold one for me there. Rick, nows your chance to win the golf tourney!! See you guys next year.
Harrell Guidry
Groves , Tx USA - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 05:28:36 (MDT)
Yo Blade, wasn't the attack on the Cole under That other guys watch, The ONE WHO SPENT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME INTERVIEWED BY THE SAME GROUP. Only his testamony wasn't public. Shame shame shame, we need to keep this focus on us not THEM.........At least thats my view.......Clear Left.....Matt Casey
Matt Casey
Hemet, CA USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 23:25:52 (MDT)
Served with the 129th 1970, part of recovery team, Snowsnake1 was our call sign. Born in brooklyn, NY, live in dover de now. Work for the NYC Transit Authority for 24 years, getting ready to retire next year. Retired from NY Army Nat Guard in 1997, no money for fuel, and were dumping all my hueys for blackhawks, {what a crime} DOB 3/24/50. trying to work out trip to reunion. Happy Easter to all.
Lou Rags
Dover, De USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 21:09:30 (MDT)
I think Fred A. had a great idea regarding the bios on birthdays. Hope everyone saw that post and agrees to do it. It would be a great way to know the pertinent information about everyone here that normally isn't shared in regular posts. If I recall, I believe Mark has a birthday very soon or just past. I DO KNOW it's in April. Fred Skaggs...Hope your mom has a wonderful birthday! Sorry to have missed your call. My son, Bryan, said you called Wed. night. I was covering a fair board meeting for the newspaper. Busy week for me. Anyway, welcome back to God's country...enjoy your friends and give your mom a hug from everyone here.
Sue
USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 19:09:55 (MDT)
good going ray, hope it keeps turning your way. Freddy, be careful out there and happy b day to your mom, give her a hug from all of us.
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 09:28:13 (MDT)
Ray, My Friend, Bio is short for biography-A written account of your life or someone`s life. Working off a laptop while Kim is driving...this is kinda neat. Be home(Columbus) in about an hour. Just passed Bob Evan`s Farms about 10 minutes ago.....I get to see alot of the "ole gang" tonight. Guys I grew up with, most of them are Nam vets. My Moms is 74 years old today.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 09:15:16 (MDT)
HELLO FLIGFT GOOD IDEA ALVIS BUT WHAT IS A BIO .I TELL YA I CAN'T WAIT TO GO TO INDY. OH ALVIS , SOMEOF MY PLUMBER FRIENDS COME OVER, AND I TELL THEM I KNOW A MAN THAT IS MARRIED TO A LADY FROM THE LAND DOWN UNDER SORRY CAN'T SPELL THE COUNTRY. I TOLD THEM YEP YOUR RIGHT SHE SAID THE WATER GOSE ANTI CLOCK WISE WHEN YOU FLUSH, THEALL SAID SEE I TOLD YOU SO. I JUST SMILE TO MY SELF. I HOPE TP MEET YOU BOTH IN INDY. IAM GLAD I KNOW THE TRUTH LOL I STILL LIKE TO COME HERE AND READ. KAL I WISH YOU LUCK WITH THE VA LIKE I SAID PNCE I TOLD MY SERVICE REP I HAD ALL MY PAPR WORK READY FOR THE GOV AND CONGRESS MAN HE SAID NO DONT DO THAT I WENT FROM A 8 MONTHS WAIT TO A NEXT WEEK REVIEW SO WE SE THE CONGRESS MAM WANTS TO STILL LOOK IN TO SHE TOOK MY FILE # AND CALLED CLAIM CENTER SHE ALSO ASHED MY GAF SCORE WHICH IS 40 TOLD ME ITWAS REAL LOW AND HE IS GOING TO LOOK IN TO I ASHED HER TO SEE IH COULD LOOK FOR ALL THE VETRANS FOR THEY ALL GETTING SAME RUNAROUND AS ME SO WE SEE, SGE SAID THEY HAVE A FUL STAF THATJUST HELPS THE VETS I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR ALL. I LETYOU KNOW IF I HEAR IN 3 WEEKS LIKE THEY PROPMISED ALL MY BEST TO YOU ALL A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY SEE YOU IN INDY RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 08:17:50 (MDT)
question to flight... how about, on our birthdays, we write a short bio about ourselves?
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 07:31:36 (MDT)
I believe Pop-A-Top is closed on Sundays, in answer to someone's question. Anyway, just wanted to wish everyone a Happy Easter. I've enjoyed being a part of this site, and am enjoying the communication with those I've "met" here. I look forward to Indianapolis and am quite excited to know I will be able to put faces to the names and the posts I've read on here. Baron, Ray, Alvis, Robbie...and everyone else that I've come to know via the interraction here. Again, everyone...have a wonderful Easter.
Sue
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 19:54:23 (MDT)
evening flight, just thought i'd drop in too say hi an to wish all a good holiday..hoping that the easter bunny grants you all your wishes.ray hang in there brother make it tough for the v.a.. like i had said before,be like a thorn an don't give up.gale & debbie congrads,gently thanks for all the info you have been passing on ,& don't stop.... alex an liz, a little good news to psass on. last week i went up to n.y. to see caitlin to my surprise i also saw michael. when i saw him i frooze in my tracks..its was a good visit with the kids, 9of crouse caitlin is know saying to mike why do you have to go to see dad. quite....mark i still need you to put my addy up in contact list. sound like your doing ok. give dee my love, an hope to see youall at reunion. be save out their & don't take any wooden nickels. wink 3/69-10/70 from 010 with love
barry winkler(wink) 3/69-10/70
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:42:06 (MDT)
Alvis....my turn on this one..BLADE, YOU EAT CAMEL DUNG!!!! If you can't put your name to what you write, don't post it!!!!! My political beliefs are out in the open for all to know, still, it's sad you have to print your diatribe behind a pseudonym. clear left!
Kim
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:39:21 (MDT)
Give the troops their charges, but do not reveal your plans; get them to face the dangers, but do not reveal the advantages. Only if you throw them into life-and-death situations will they survive; only if you plunge them into places where there is no way out will they stay alive. Only if the rank and file have plunged into danger can they turn defeat into victory.
The Blade
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:33:37 (MDT)
Baron, click on vhcma and follow the links, they'll tell you what's on the agenda at Indy. You might as well try vhpa, and try tracking down pilots on their web site, too. I'm all wrapped up in softball right now, middle school, high school, ASA travel ball. Things are a little hectic!!!! To those who've been trying to contact me, Sorry I haven't been available on the land line. Just leave a return number, and I'll try and get back in touch, when I can. Linda and I won't be coming to Indy, there are just too many things going on, too many other things to do.
Kim
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:33:03 (MDT)
With the families of the victims seated behind her, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice sparred testily with Democratic members of the 10-person 9/11 Commission and easily handled the gentle softballs thrown by the Republican members during her first and only public appearance before the panel on Apr. 8. There was no apology, no admission of error, and no deviation from the Bush Administration's insistence that it couldn't have done anything differently to head off the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. For all the anticipation, her appearance had little drama. Like the trained concert pianist that she is, Rice stayed on key and on message throughout her three-hour policy recital: The Administration was moving carefully and responsibly in the right direction to address the "strategic" threat posed by al Qaeda when terrorist hijackers commandeered four passenger jets and turned them into weapons. Up to that point, all the intelligence against possible attacks had been "frustratingly vague," she insisted. NO ADMISSIONS. Rice's testimony was probably a small win on balance for the White House. President Bush and his advisers had blocked her public appearance for months, claiming it violated constitutional principles of the separation of powers. Having finally agreed to testify under oath, Rice revealed little. And she likely only needed to keep from admitting that the Administration had committed what one Democratic questioner called "the M-word" -- a mistake. In contrast to White House top anti-terrorism aide Richard Clarke two weeks before, who apologized to the victim's families for "failing to protect" them, Rice refused to accept blame. Why did the Cabinet and top White House officials reject Clarke's pre-9/11 pleas for more aggressive actions against Osama bin Laden's terrorist group in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Because it would have taken the U.S. in "the wrong direction," Rice told the panel. Similarly, the Bush Administration's refusal to attack al Qaeda after the October, 2000, attack on the U.S. destroyer Cole in Yemen that killed 17 sailors stemmed from a belief that "it would just embolden [al Qaeda]," said Rice. MORE TO COME. A "tit for tat" response after al Qaeda was identified as the culprit was also rejected because, Rice said, President Bush "was tired of swatting flies" and wanted a new, more strategic response. "There was no silver bullet" solution to terrorism, Rice insisted. The political ordeal isn't over for the White House, however. An upcoming two-day panel hearing on Apr. 14 and 15 will feature testimony from former Attorney General Janet Reno, former FBI director Louis Freeh, Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI Director Robert Mueller, and CIA Director George Tenet. Also remaining is the question of the Aug. 6, 2001, briefing that President Bush received from Tenet at his ranch in Crawford, Tex. Under questioning from Democratic panel member Richard Ben-Veniste, Rice insisted that Tenet's report was "historical," and involved other warnings too vague and focused on threats abroad to provoke action by the Administration. But when asked for the title of a still-classified memo to the President pre-9/11, Rice admitted that it was named, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the United States." Commission members are seeking to have the memo declassified.
The Blade
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:24:49 (MDT)
pop a top is closed sundays
alvis
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:11:31 (MDT)
Kim....thank you. I know that if someone knew my uncle he would of prob stuck out. He was an arnrey ol thing from the day he was born(as I am told.) I know that he once shot at something and it richeted(sp?) and hit him. He jsut never really talked about it much. I don't know why either that it affects some more than others. Its just part of life I guess. I really think that if Olen had known about this site it would of helped him a little. He was a good man, would give you the shirt off of his back or the flip flops off his feet. Thanks again....
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 15:26:37 (MDT)
Mark Jackson, I spoke this morning with Mr. Jack Alexander as an effort to find someone to provide specific information concerning the upcoming reunion in Indianapolis. He recomended that I contact you for the answers, so I thought I'd do it here on your site so everyone else who is interested can share the word. I have been shaking the trees as Mr. Cupps ordered and have found some friends, (vetrans) here in Michigan who have shown intrest in joining me at the reunion. They were not in the 129th, but both served in the military during the late 60s early 70s, (One, in the Navy). So along with the usual , Where, When, Itinerary, Lodging suggestions etc. I would like to get answers on eligibility of inclusion as well. I would like to stop at the Pop-A-Top both on the way down, and comming back so I need the hours of operation there in order to coordinate this journey. Thanks for your help. Looking forward to meeting you and all.
Gary Carlson
USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 10:12:39 (MDT)
WOW!!!.. Gently, thanks for the heads-up on the VA special!!.. I have sent my Congressman a note and will be waiting to see his reply. Everyone have a Great Holiday... Kal..
Kal Bergstrom <n8auu(a)email.com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 21:41:14 (MDT)
Melody, my condolences on your uncle. There but for the grace of.............I don't know what little something some of us had (have?) in our makeup that let us put things behind us, and get on with our lives, while others had to battle their demons. It's one of life's mysteries. As a recovering alcoholic, I can attest to how difficult it is to admit to a problem, and how easy it is to return to old habits. Please hang on to the good memories, and put the bad one's in perspective. As has been stated in here before, he served, and no doubt, he made a difference to somebody.
Kim
USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 20:21:53 (MDT)
cp bloomfild sir they caled you that called that of respect. for yor yor ran a a tight ship and took no do do, it was not ment to ofentd you in any harm at all trust me. you were well respeceted for how you treated the crew. i my self thought it was neat. oh if you do writ me put 129th as sub ok but i do recall that name and nothing to apoligise for trust me. its hard to rember that long ago but i do rember some things that was one. lots i forgot again ment no harm was ment that i know me and robbie flew with you at times wish you thhe best sir i will answer u if you put in sub 129 and your name ok i love to talk to u ray from the 129th
RAY <Stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:10:12 (MDT)
Hello all.........Yesterday out in one of my grandpa's old shed my brother found an old suit case. In it was two different uniforms. Mmy mom and him just opened it and didn't pay much attention to the patches and such but they think it was my uncles. All my mom said is that she saw a yellow patch but didn't pay attention to it. Its been sitting out there for well over 20 years...since my grandparents moved in there I bet. On a sad not they also found a few spoons that were used to do certain things...drugs...My uncle had alot of demons chasing him every moment of his life. I wish to God that he had been alive when I found this site. Even though no one who frequents here seems to have even served at the same time I would of liked him to know he wasn't as alone as he felt. I also know that I will NEVER know what most of ya'll went through in war. I also don't know what other Vets went through. What I do know is the affect it has on some if not most. My grandpa who is a WWII veteran is a recovering alcholic. He still has dreams about the things he saw and did. My uncle.....Olen was beyond an alcholic....he was a very sick man. I saw the affect war had on these very important members of my family. I saw my uncle slowley kill himself. I know it wasn't Vietnam or any war but it was a different kind of hell, you can be sure of that............I am going to try and take a look at the uniforms(one khaki and the other formal) and check out the patches better. Well.....i'll stop my rambling. Thanks.......
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 16:00:56 (MDT)
129TH FLIGHT: I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU...... IF I HAVEN'T ANSWERED YOUR PERSONAL E-MAILS YET, I WILL GET TO THEM SHORTLY.. PROMISE! .... RAY, I WILL E-MAIL YOU, BUT NEEDED TO RESPOND TO THAT: (LOL) "BLOOD AND GUTS" COMMENT...... MY WIFE AND I CHUCKLED OVER THAT LAST NITE, (AND I STILL AM) AND THEN I STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT...... YOU'RE RIGHT, I NEVER HEARD THAT TO MY FACE, BUT WON'T ARGUE IF IT WAS SAID.... MY FIRST TRIP TO VIETNAM I WAS A PLATOON SGT, SSG, E-6, IN A TRANSPORTATION UNIT, AND WE RAN THE ROADS A LOT...... I WAS PRETTY SCARED A LOT OF TIMES, AND KINDA DEVELOPED AN AGGRESSIVE ATTITUDE TOWARD TAKING CARE OF MYSELF AND MY TROOPS....... WE MADE IT OK....... AFTER BEING ENLISTED FOR 8 YEARS, I WENT TO FLIGHT SCHOOL, AND WHEN I GOT TO THE 129TH, I MIGHT HAVE TAKEN THAT ATTITUDE AND FEAR WITH ME....... YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS I DIDN'T PLAY GAMES WITH, BUT I STILL HAD THAT ATTITUDE THAT I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY AIRCRAFT AND CREW, AND I DID EVERYTHING THAT I COULD TO GET US HOME....... AS WE ALL DID....... I WON'T GO INTO "WAR STORIES", CAUSE WE ALL HAVE THEM, BUT I WILL ADMIT THAT I GAVE THE ORDER TO "FIRE", ORDERED OTHER THINGS, AND DID SOME SCARY THINGS WHILE OUT ON MISSIONS, BUT I DO ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE THINGS....... NO CREW CHIEF, GUNNER, OR PETER PILOT HAS TO FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED WHILE I WAS AC....... AS I DO NOT FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR OTHER AC'S DECISIONS, OR OUR LEADERS DECISIONS (FROM PRESIDENTS DOWN), THAT WERE MADE THAT I COMPLIED WITH... (NOT RESPONSIBLE, BUT I DID, AND DO, WONDER, AND QUESTION SOMETIMES) ...I WILL BE JUDGED SOMEDAY FOR EVERYTHING I'VE DONE, AND I PRAY THAT I HAVEN'T SCREWED UP SO BAD THAT I WON'T SEE OUR BROTHERS THAT HAVE GONE ON BEFORE US ...... WE ALL SIMPLY DID THE BEST WE COULD........ I PROBABLY CARRIED THAT SAME FEAR AND ATTITUDE INTO MY "SHORT" THIRD TOUR TO VIETNAM, (I WAS NOT THERE LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE AC) BUT IT WORKED FOR ME ........ I INDEED WAS A "LIFER",(AND HAVE BEEN CALLED THAT TO MY FACE!!), AND RETIRED IN 1980 WITH 20 YEARS IN THE ARMY.... I TRULY HOPE THAT IF IT WAS ME YOU CALLED THAT, MY "BLOOD AND GUTS" ATTITUDE DIDN'T CAUSE ANYONE ELSE A LOT OF STRESS OR STRIFE....... AND IF IT DID, I ASK FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS .... .... ......... .................... I DO MISS ALL THOSE "BROTHERS" THAT WE'VE LOST... THANK YOU ALL...... AS I PROMISED, I WILL ANSWER ALL YOUR E-MAILS. (OLD AND SLOW !!!!!, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT FEELS, YOU WILL!!! ................ MARK, DEE, GENTLY, ALEX, DON, AND ALL OF THE "BROTHERS AND SISTERS", GOD BLESS YOU, AND I HOPE I HAVEN'T EMBARRASED YOU WITH MY RAMBLINGS (I'll try to be good.) ........ KTF, (Poppasan), 129th AHC, 69-70
C.P. Bloomfield
USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 11:37:05 (MDT)
If there is anyone out there that has access to a Snow Snake Patch (like the one posted on the Main Page) could you please let me know. I would very much like to obtain one or see about getting some made. My e-mail is ragonese@delaware.net. Thank you very much
Tom Ragonese
Dover, USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 06:45:51 (MDT)
This was on the VHFCN, thought you might like it. >The form used for Royal Navy and Marines performance reports is the S206. >The following are supposed to be actual excerpts taken from people's >"206's".... >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >- His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity. > >- It would not be advisable to breed from this Officer. > >- This Officer is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a >definitely won't-be. > >- When she opens her mouth, it seems that this is only to change whichever >foot was previously in there. > >- He has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire >satisfaction. - He would be out of his depth in a car park puddle. > >- Technically sound, but socially impossible. > >- This Officer reminds me very much of a gyroscope - always spinning >around at a frantic pace, but not really going anywhere. > >- This young lady has delusions of adequacy. > >- When he joined my ship, this Officer was something of a granny; since >then he has aged considerably. > >- Since my last report he has reached rock bottom, and has started to dig. > >- She sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them. > >- He has the wisdom of youth, and the energy of old age. > >- This Officer should go far - and the sooner he starts, the better. > >- In my opinion this pilot should not be authorized to fly below 250 feet. > >- The only ship I would recommend this man for is citizenship. > >- Works well when under constant supervision and cornered like a rat in a trap > >- This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
jim
USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 02:57:57 (MDT)
good going ray, hope for the best for you buddy. SMitty, I jusy might show up at pop a top as well on that tuesday.Its about 3 hours from here.I think it might just be a fitting place to reunite with you and shadow.... If anyone is into pc games, there is a new one out called "battel field vietnam".from what I hear, its a waste of money.Alex, dont worry about not metting me in louisville, I only stayed about 20 minutes,I was so very nervous there,had to leave.Perhaps next time it will be ok.The kokomo reunions have gone well,so pehaps i am over the nervous part.But then, its a little different there.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 22:05:51 (MDT)
After 60 years, Officials have confirmed finding the wreckage of French novelist and Pilot, Saint Exupery's Lockheed Lightning P-38. His plane vanished on the night of July 31, 1944, while on a mission of collecting data on German troop movement in the Rhone Valley. His books include," The Little Prince", " Wind, Sand and Stars" and "Flight To Arras", about a doomed reconnaissance mission. No clues yet found as to cause of crash.
Baron
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 21:56:30 (MDT)
Good afternoon my friends. This is an FYI for all of you: Thursday evening(April 8th) Primetime, with Diane Sawyer, will spend the entire hour of the show looking into our VA hospitals. So check your televison schedules to find out what time it will show in your area. And Ray.....don't worry. Your claim will probably fly through now:>)) Sorry I missed your call last night Mr.F .-I was already into my third dream by that time. I'll be home tonight, if'n:>) Always there for our Veterans:>)))))))))))Gently.
Gently
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 14:55:57 (MDT)
Kal,Rick good to see your post. And it will be great to see everyone in Indy. I just need to figure out how large of a meeting room for the 129th. I feel we should have the largest group ever of the 129th. Looking forward to meeting all the first time Brothers and Sisters attending. I know with the economy like it is, it will be roughon some. But, worth it at the conclusion of the reunion. I feel blessed with having meet so many of you over the last few years. Seeing Brothers reunite after so many years. Matt Casey, Our Own Cup's and Darwin Schimdtin Louisville. Matt rode 18 hours on his Bike. It was a last minute impluse. Seeing Ray and Robbie in Atlanta. For me Glenn Pearmain in Irving TX. Then Rainer and Kal at the Moving Wall at Coldwater, Ohio. Plus many more of you whom been reunited with a Brother since Nam. I appoligize to Alvis I didn't get a chance to visit with you while you were in Louisville. This is my last year as a Board member of the VHCMA. Meetings have kept me away from spending more time with all of you. Gently and Brother Mark and Tom Pedersen thanks for all you do to for the 129th Family. Take a look back at the logs from a few years ago. New Brothers posting every week. Now we need to focus on finding more of our 129th Family. At the reunion we can sit and get some ideas on how to gt our Brothers, Sisters and Families of our KIA's/Mia'S to our web site. Take Care Alex 129th Always A Brother!!
Alex
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 13:15:39 (MDT)
hello flight i just got two calls one frpm the govs as a fllow up and one from our congressmam i told them that it was taken care of that they were going to read my claim next week but they wanted my file # stil want to look in to it more i said they may get p/o for them calling them they said dont worry so i gave it to thhem . i told them both how the service man said the claim man said was not to tell me what he said and they wany to look into it, i hope i dont cause trouble to late now, i never thougt any would call me back but the gov office said she never got my fax like i said i told her that all was ok it would be ok. but he still wants to look in to it i hope this dont blow my claim oh well its done just thought i let you know take care see you in indy ray be safe thanks rick i try to call u
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 11:27:56 (MDT)
And Congrats to Fred Alvis and Susie-----1 year!!! Bet she still talks funny:>) Always there for our Veterans:>))))))))))))Gently
Gently
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 09:26:37 (MDT)
Good news Ray. Congrats. Flight be careful out there and Caoingrats to Debbie and Gale April 3.
Rick England
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 09:08:14 (MDT)
Mark, Need to know if you are going to be at the Pop-A-Top on June 4th. I am going down to southwest Indiana and would like to stop and say "THANKS" in person. Only problem is, can I park a 28 foot car trailer in the parking lot or along the street? I don't have a street horse like you guys, but I do have a toy. Let me know. Jack Alexander Cobra Bishop, 1970
Jack D Alexander <CPTJAC@msn.com>
Medina, OH USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 08:55:13 (MDT)
HELLO TO ALL DOING WELL, I THINK. I CALLED MY VFW REP TOLD HIM I WAS IN TOUCH WITH OUR GOVNERS OFFICE AND HE TOLD ME TO FAX HIM ALL THE INFO I HAD AND HE WOULD LOOK IN TO IT . FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW I WAS TOLD THAT ALL OUR CLAIM ARE BEING HELD UP.FOR ONES COMINE BACK IRAQ. BUT WHEM I TOLD HIM THAT HE SAID DONT DO THAT, THE CLAIM CENTER IS UP STAIRS HE LOOK IN TO IT, WELL THAT AFTERNOON HE CALLED ME TOLD ME THAT MY CLAIM WILL BE REVIEW NEXT WEEK AND A DISION WILL BE MADE THE FOLLING WEEK I KNOW THE WEEK AFTER, HE ALSO TOLD ME THE MAN AT CLAIM CENTER HAD NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT HE SAID. I KNOW I KNOW YOU CP BLOOMFIED ME AND ROBIE FLEW WITH YOU AT TIMES, NOW IAM NOT SURE, BUT I THINK SOME CALED YOU BLOOD & GUTS PERHAPS NOT TO YOUR FACE LOL BUT I WAS THERE SAME TIME YOU WERE DO RECAL A CAPIIN MYERS I CAN NAME MANY MR SIKES REST I CANT SPELL THE REST MY NAMW IS RAY GAGNER AS I SAID I FLEW WITH ROBIE ALOT E MAIL IF U CAN I TELL U A STORY SEE IF YOU RECALL U MAY NOT ITS BEEN A LONG TIME AGO TAKE CARE CANT WAIT TO GO TO INDY, MARK ME AND GAIL WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE POP A TOP WE SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT. ALWAYS GOOD TALKING TO YOU ALL KAL WE SEE YOU IN INDY OH I HAVENT FORGOT THE PINS I PROMISE YOU ALL JUST TOOK TIME TO GET THE ORDER I BOUGT 30 WELL BE SAFE A BROTHER ALWAYS. RAY OH GENTLY IT WAS GRATE TO TALK TO YOU FINLY LOVE YOU ALL. I HOPE ALL MY WORDS CAME OUT GOOD
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 08:43:51 (MDT)
Kal, I will be there on Tuesday as i said, i don't know exactly how long it will take me to ride that far due to my physical condition so i am going to leave here plenty early, Maybe Shadow would like to meet us at the Pop-a-top & ride on in. He says he is driving & I have his cell# ( What about it Shadow)?? A look -see at Marks place is a must for me as long as i am that far. Fred Alvis, would like to shoot with ya again, might be a hoot.Mr C.P Bloomfield, I am glad you are here & stated what you have. I would hate to think that anyone would be afraid to be in this site, but i know there are those who do not post in here for same type reasons,I have been on & in this site since 1997 & we have had our share of slammers, people who posted nasty things & would not sign their names, people selling things like meds etc. clear to mugumugu etc. ( cowards one & all). I believe that if you won't sign it, don't write it. No, Judith is not a ghost writer but a good friend of our company & a good dancer & she owes me on at Indy ( will have to be a slow one of course) Darn near put myself in the hospital in Atlanta with a couple fast ones. I have stated this before & it remains ever clearer as i have retired from my employment due to all my physical problems: my friends; we are not getting any younger. Let us try to support each other & let the petty stuff go by the way. That is what i intend to try to do anyway.>>> my love & respects to all>>> smitty>>> aka SP/5 James Westwang 71-72
jim westwang 71-72
Sheridan, wy USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 07:22:05 (MDT)
Mark, Graveyards are for the living, not the dead.Sometimes we dissagree, that isnt disrespect to the kia's.NO ONE ,in here,would tolarate that for a new york second.Yes, I get out of hand sometimes,life being what life is,and I do apoligise for that.This is your ball,your court,your house and I am glad to be invited within.I will remove my hat,perhaps my shoes, but thats as far as I will go.Are fallen are remembered thru us, they live thru us.Life has a way of intruding into even the darkest, most well protected, corners.I apoligise for letting it spill into here.
alvis
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 06:06:52 (MDT)
OK, so lets get back to tellin lies, I mean war stories. Now this is no shit, there we were a thousand to three, we called in arty, tac air, a CA was in the planning stage, we were even talking about an Arc-light,but just before we expended all of our ammo, they surrendered , those three never had a chance.And everyone lived happily ever after.The End
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:01:58 (MDT)
OK, so lets get back to tellin lies, I mean war stories. Now this is no shit, there we were a thousand to three, we called in arty, tac air, a CA was in the planning stage, we were even talking about an Arc-light,but just before we expended all of our ammo, they surrendered , those three never had a chance.And everyone lived happily ever after.The End
jim
USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:00:03 (MDT)
Cherry, I have not forgotten you or the pictures. Things at work(VA hospital) have sort of turned to crap due to nursing shortfalls. Imagine that! Anyway as soon as things settle down I will get back on thew photo thing. Too bad we didn't have digital cameras back then. CP- Well said!!!! Take care all. Snapper
jeff sauers
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:58:14 (MDT)
evening flight, WHEW .... C.P. great to see you back in here. Mark, I read last night and started to make a little different post than the one I did. it was kind of like what you posted today but you did a much better job than what I had in mind. we get a "little off topic" sometimes and need to be reminded about what this site is all about. as for me, it has re-united me with a few brothers that I really needed to see again. and let me meet a few more that also have made a big impact on my life. and there are others that I haven't met yet that I would like to. and in case you are wondering I would like to meet everyone that has posted here. in one way or another all of you have made an impact on my life. if you stop and think about it the 129th was/is a part of our lives that just won't go away (if you want it to or not)personally I am very proud to have been a part of the 129th back then. but it wouldn't have been the unit it was with-out the people that were in it before I got there. and for you that came in to the unit after I came home it wouldn't have been the unit it was if it hadn't been for guys like Jackson,Brooks,Dunlap, etc. and in a small way yes even me. each and every one of us can say exactly the same thing I just did. part of what we did in the unit stayed on for the next crew to carry on with. you guys that came to the unit in 70, remember the front wheel drive jeep used to move aircraft in and out of the hanger ? that was part of my legacy. a crew and I built that thing out of two pieces of junk and made it work. and until I left, I was the only one to have a key to it. I don't know why I told that story except to say, if it hadn't been for me and my crew putting that crazy thing together things would have been different for the next guys that came in the unit. so we all made a difference. we were a team. ........... lets STAY a team. and as another on this site says, ..... nuff said.
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:44:20 (MDT)
Donovan..."Ah, but I may as well try and catch the wind." I was glad to see Kim's posting and mention of that song. For some reason, when I hear Donovan sing, I think of all you men and the time you spent doing all you did for this country. One night not long ago, I was playing a Donovan cd and going through the photos displayed on this website. The music and the images together were pretty powerful. I think of Mark, busting his butt in the Marines for the chance to go Vietnam and never having the opportunity. I think of Larry. I think of Robert Pietsch, an Ohio pilot lost over Laos who never came home. I think of this website, amazing creation of one man in Coldwater and many men and women who come here to unite with a common tie. I think of all those things when I hear Donovan and his hope to "try and catch the wind." All of you...not only tried, but DID catch the wind. May you all soar forever.
Sue
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 21:15:45 (MDT)
I can`t stand to see the slaughter....But still I eat the meat.....I hate dishonest people....But still sometimes I cheat.....I hate the evolution.....But still I drive a car......Maybe that is the reason why things are like they are.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 20:00:52 (MDT)
CP, Mark and GENTLY, I too wish to take the time to say THANK YOU, it seems we need to take time to let the healing work, I am a better person today THANKS to this web sight and the people who contribute, It has helped me, to better understand myself and why I needed some place to air problems and solutions..........Clear Left.........Casey
Matt Casey
Hemet, CA USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 19:42:19 (MDT)
And when I get excited, My little China girl, She says, " O baby just you shut your mouth". She says, SHHHhhhhhh..........
David Bowie
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 19:40:55 (MDT)
Woke up this morning to the sound of Donovan Leach singing 'May as well try and catch the wind'. Got to remembering hearing it while at Ft. Stewart, on orders for nam. Seems that I walked around the post for a while, wondering if I was going to live long enough to find someone love that strongly!!! Remember how enlisted men were treated in the towns outside of military bases? Hinesville Georgia, 4000 horny gi's, fifty teenage girls!!! And their daddy's sure as all getout didn't want them associating with any of us!! Alvis, I still love to shoot, it's quite relaxing to sit and pop off a couple hundred rounds, every thing from 22's to 303 British. A little expensive at times, but....
Kim
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 19:30:30 (MDT)
Greetings to All my 129 brothers and sisters!!.. Well to start out.. Congradulations to Gale and Debbie!!! As I told you Gale, she is a Keeper!! Now.. C P Bloomfield, Very well stated!! I have been a bit astounded at some of the happenings that I have been seeing here and I hope your note has opened a few eyes and minds. I find it good to re-read some things and think a bit about them before I jump off in the middle of something that really could have been settled other ways. This site has done a lot for me and quite a few others and I would hate to lose it. Smitty... I talked to Mark the other day and things are looking good for our ride to the Pop A Top and the on to the reunion. I will be looking for you on Tuesday...Any other takers?? Alton Page, it is good to see you are going to be at Indy. I am looking foreward to it too.. Ray, it looks like you are making good progress as far as getting the attention you need from the VA. I hope they get to you soon. Looking foreward to seeing you and Gail in Indy too.. Don and Bud, I hope your wives are doing better!! I hope everyone has a nice holiday.. I am looking foreward to it too as I haven't had a day off in six weeks and am getting tired.. Take care and think Indy!!....>> Kal..
Kal Bergstrom 67/68 <n8auu(a)email.com>
Saint Joseph, MI USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 19:18:07 (MDT)
welcome back CP,well stated.Next time, could you say what you mean? chuckle.Gale,I am less than 20 minutes from the airport.Mark, thinking about brings my sks home for the reunion. I go to a place down south of here,about 1/2 drive, where i can shoot all i want. Thinking to see if anyone wants to shoot it.Anyone want to?Will get my grunt nam friend that has an m-16 (cilivan) to take that as well.Perhaps I can talk him into taking his automatics too.Yes , he has a license.
alvis
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 17:50:08 (MDT)
CB glad you liked the nose art of the snowsnake, I've had those pictures for over thirty years now, and I can finally share them with people who know what its all about. Mark was E-mailed about 9 pictures to post on the site. Ihope someone will remember me, and the rest of the crew of snowsnake1 Lou Rags
Lou Ragonese <Lou Rags 1 @ aol.com>
dover, de USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 13:58:50 (MDT)
HEAR HEAR...and AMEN....KEITH..
Keith 72-73
ms USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 13:27:22 (MDT)
Would like to Welcome Home all our new Brothers and Sisters. CP. everyone is welcome here at the Home Of The 129th. And I appreciate your post. We have a lot of wonderful people Whom work to make this a wonderful site. And Mark couldn't have posted it any better. Our Kia's and Mia's. along with a Brother's LOVE!!! What has brought so many of us together today. I had the opportunity of meeting so many of you at these reunions. I started out with the reunion for the 65-66. Well with the help of Mark and this site. The reunion for the whole tour of the 129th in Vietnam. The 129th no matter what your job was, you were there. It took team work to keep us flying and to try to bring everyone back alive. But, that wasn't God's will. At ant given time, it could have been one of us Whom Gave It All. Which I have a hard time dealing with at times. Why I came home and the others didn't. Be Proud my Brothers and Sisters to be part of a wonderfull Family that we share here at The Home Of The 129th. It's time to focus on finding our Brothers Whom are still out there. Focus on the True purpose of this site. To welcome our Brothers,Family members and Friends whom seek our help in finding info about a loved one. All of you are the greatest!!! Remember were here for each other. Think!! Positive!! before we post. Looking forward to seeing all of you in INDY!!! Alex 129th 65-68 Past President Of The VHCMA,
Alex
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 12:48:37 (MDT)
129th Asslt Hel Co, I AM C.P. BLOOMFIELD, (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH ANOTHER MEMBER, C.B., AS I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE BLAMED FOR WHAT I WRITE). ........ I SERVED IN THE 129TH IN 69-70...... I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO APPROACH YOU AS A FRIEND OR FOE..... ...... ...... A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, SEPT 02, ONE OF YOU FALSELY TOLD EVERYONE THAT I WAS A "HACKER" AND THAT I WAS TRYING TO DO HARM TO THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE 129TH....... WHEN I RESPONDED TO HIS CHARGES, MARK AND THE WEB MASTER, IN ALL THEIR WISDOM, PULLED BOTH HIS REMARKS AND MINE OFF THE SITE...... HE THEN WENT TO THE "BACK CHANNELS" ATTACKING ME TO MY BROTHERS...... I BECAME AWARE OF IT AND TRUSTED THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE HIS TRASH..... I KNOW THOSE "BROTHERS AND SISTERS" THAT KNOW ME WOULD NEVER BELIEVE I WOULD HARM THEM...... I DID NOT WANT TO STIR THE SITE UP ANY MORE, SO I SAID NOTHING..... I BELIEVED AT THAT TIME THAT THIS SITE WAS A PLACE OF HEALING, AND NOT A PLACE OF HURTING........ THAT THE REASON WE ALL WERE HERE WAS TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND "HEAL".... I NEVER POSTED AGAIN UNTIL NOW, BUT OCCASIONALLY WOULD CHECK IN ON THE SITE, HOPING TO SEE HOW THE 129TH MEMBERS ARE DOING..... THEN LATER, AGAIN, I ALLOWED AN ATTACK ON MARK JACKSON, PROBABLY WHILE SOMEONE WAS IN A DRUG OR ALCOHOL INDUCED STATE,,, AND WHILE I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SAME ATTACKER, AGAIN, I SAID NOTHING....... GENTLY HAS BEEN ATTACKED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST, AND AGAIN I'VE SAID NOTHING.... I'VE ALSO SEEN, AS ALL OF YOU HAVE, SEVERAL TEMPERS FLAIR UP OVER DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, AND HAVE SEEN ALVIS, GENTLY, SCAGGS, KIM AND OTHERS BEING ATTACKED OVER THESE DIFFERENCES........ .......... WHY HAVE I NOT RESPONDED BEFORE NOW?????? TWO REASONS: 1) I THOUGHT WE WERE BIG KIDS AND WOULD WORK IT OUT FOR THE BEST...... 2) VERY HONESTLY, I WAS A COWARD AND DID NOT WANT TO BE ATTACKED AGAIN, AS I AM SURE I WILL BE FOR THIS POSTING........... .......... I'VE LET ALL THIS STUFF EAT AWAY AT ME LONG ENOUGH...... I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING, EVEN IF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY SOLVES NOTHING........ ................ FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, I'VE SEEN SOME SPOUT THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT POLITICS, AND VIETNAM, AND MATTERS OF THE COUNTRY. SOMETIMES TOUCHING ON THE MATTERS OF HEALING AND CARING FOR EACH OTHER WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF OUR BEING HERE........ ......... I AM BEGINNING TO GET THE FEELING THAT A FEW INDIVIDUALS ARE GENERALLY TRYING TO CONVEY THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY ARE GOOD EXAMPLES AND THE KIND OF PERSON THAT REPRESENT THE MEN AND SISTERS OF THE 129TH.... I CERTAINLY HOPE NO ONE BELIEVES THAT SOME OF THE TRASH THAT IS SEEN HERE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GOOD MEN I SERVED WITH IN VIETNAM..... SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE TOLD HERE ARE BEING COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND DOES NOT SHOW THE KIND OF MEN I SERVED WITH. THE MEN I SERVED WITH WERE GOOD, HARD WORKING, HONEST, AND TRUSTWORTHY SOLDIERS...... THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO REMEMBER; HARD WORKING, TRUSTWORTHY!!!!!!! YES, AT TIMES WE HAD AN UNUSUAL AND PERHAPS WEIRD SENSE OF HUMOR, AND WE LAUGHED AND SOMETIMES DID SOME CRAZY OR IMPROPER THINGS TO COVER UP OUR SENSES............ I WILLINGLY PUT MY LIFE INTO THEIR HANDS ON A DAILY BASIS, AS THEY PUT THEIRS IN MINE..... THAT IS THE BOND THAT I HAVE WITH THEM..... AND EVEN THOUGH THIS POSTING DOES NOT SEEM TO SAY IT, I AGREE WITH ONE OF THE BROTHERS WHO RECENTLY SAID HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN ATTACKING THOSE GOOD MEN THAT SERVED...... AND ESPECIALLY THOSE I SERVED WITH OR WHO WERE IN THE UNITS I SERVED IN...... RECENTLY I SAW SOME OF THE POSTINGS THAT MADE ME THINK THAT MAYBE SOME OF YOU WERE IN NEED OF AND WANTED SOME OF THE HEALING THAT THIS SITE OFFERS..... YOU ACTUALLY OPENED UP AND ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU STILL HAVE SOME WOUNDS THAT NEED TAKEN CARE OF..... MAYBE I WAS WRONG.......MY SYMPATHIES WERE, AND ARE, WITH YOU OVER YOUR PERSONAL CONCERNS........ HOWEVER, THIS SYMPATHY DOES NOT GRANT THE RIGHT TO START ATTACKING OUR BROTHERS OR SISTERS, AND BACK CHANNELING OTHERS THAT HE/SHE ISN'T SINCERE IN THEIR REMARKS, OR BEING DISRESPECTFUL IN ANY WAY. ETC, ETC...... .......... WHEN THEY FIND OUT, MARK AND GENTLY WILL PROBABLY ADMONISH ME FOR SPEAKING UP LIKE THIS.............. BUT IT'S TIME!!!!! .............. MARK, (WHOM I'VE MET), AND GENTLY (WHOM I HAVE NOT MET PERSONALLY) HAVE BOTH BEEN ATTACKED BY ONE OF YOU WHO I BELIEVE HAS BEEN PLAYING OTHERS AGAINST THEM...... THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH THE DISRESPECT YOU'VE SHOWN.... MARK DESERVES RESPECT AND CREDIT FOR ALL HE HAS DONE....... I SERVED WITH LARRY, MARKS BIG BROTHER, AND WAS THERE WHEN HE AND THE CREW HE WAS A PART OF, DIED... THOUGH LARRY AND I WERE NOT PERSONALLY CLOSE, I KNOW WELL OF THE GOOD WORK HE DID.... HE DID GOOD, AS MOST ALL OF THE MEN DID.... I DON'T KNOW OF MANY OTHER VIETNAM VETERANS THAT HAVE BEEN SINGLED OUT TO BE REMEMBERED SO WELL..... LARRY, AND YOU, AND I, AND ALL THE BROTHERS OF THE 129TH, WILL BE REMEMBERED LONG AFTER ALL OF US ARE GONE, BECAUSE OF MARK AND THE WORK HE'S DONE, AND IS DOING.... ... OUR, YOURS AND MINE, REAL BROTHERS, AND SISTERS, AND EVEN OUR CHILDREN AND WIVES WILL NEVER PUBLICLY HONOR US THE WAY MARK HAS HONORED LARRY, AND THE 129TH...... THE WORK MARK HAS DONE TO REMEMBER LARRY IS TO BE COMMENDED.... MARK HAS NEVER PORTRAYED HIMSELF AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TOUGH MOTORCYCLE RIDING EX MARINE WITH A DRINKING PROBLEM....... BUT THE THINGS HE HAS DONE ARE MONUMENTAL..... AND REMEMBER, MARK ALWAYS GIVES LARRY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE 129TH, YOU AND I, THE CREDIT, NOT HIMSELF. .........THE FACT THAT WE, YOU AND I, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE 129TH, ARE ALLOWED TO BE A PART OF THIS LOVING TRIBUTE, IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE VERY SERIOUS....... WE WILL BE REMEMBERED...... NOW IT'S UP TO US AS TO HOW WE WILL BE REMEMBERED.......... I THANK YOU, MARK, FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR US.............. ............... ............ NOW GENTLY!!!!!!! ...... THIS WONDERFUL LADY THAT MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN IN PERSONAL CONTACT WITH FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, AND WHOM I HOPE TO MEET ONE DAY.... (SHE HAS PROMISED A "HUG" AND A "WELCOME HOME" WHEN WE DO MEET) ...... I HAVE AGAIN LET YOU ATTACK HER IN THE PAST ....... YOU HAVE SAID THAT SHE CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WENT THROUGH BECAUSE SHE WASN'T THERE..AND HAVE INSINUATED THAT SHE HAS AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE FOR WHAT SHE DOES..... DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT SHE HASN'T SHOWN, THROUGH ALL HER LOVE, THAT SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE TURMOIL, HURT, CONFUSION, AND LOSS THAT WE HAVE WENT THROUGH??????? DO YOU REALLY THINK SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE FEAR WE FACE WITH THE POSSIBLE LOSS OF OUR LOVED ONES??????? SHE, AND I, AND MANY OTHERS HAVE LOST LOVED ONES.. YES, SHE, AND MANY OTHERS UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND THE VOID THAT WILL BE THERE WHEN YOU LOSE THEM.... GENTLY HAS OPENLY STATED THAT SHE DOESN'T KNOW OR UNDERSTAND ALL WE HAVE DONE IN THE 129TH, BUT HASN'T SHE SHOWN TO ALL OF US THAT SHE TRULY CARES??????? SHE HAS HER OPINIONS, JUST LIKE ALL OF US, BUT IT SEEMS THAT WHEN SHE GIVES HERS, OR TRYS TO EXPLAIN THINGS TO US, SOME LOOK FOR FAULTS, AND JUMP HARDER ON HER THAN THEY DO OTHERS....... HASN'T GENTLY ALWAYS BEEN OUT FRONT FOR US, SHOWING AND TELLING US THAT SHE IS SORRY FOR THE WAY WE WERE, AND IN SOME CASES STILL ARE, TREATED???????? ...... HASN'T GENTLY ALWAYS TREATED US THE WAY WE WANTED TO BE TREATED, BUT WEREN'T?????? HASN'T GENTLY ALWAYS PERSONALLY BEEN THERE FOR INDIVIDUAL VETS THAT ARE HAVING A ROUGH TIME?????? ARE YOU AWARE OF ALL THE PERSONAL CONTACTS SHE HAS WITH THOSE THAT LOOK TO HER AS A TRUE, CARING FRIEND??????? DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ALL THE TIME SHE SPENDS WITH THEM ON THE BACK CHANNELS, OR BY GOING TO SEE THEM??????? AS I LOOK BACK ON THE POSTINGS, I SEE THAT GENTLY HAS BEEN A TRUE MAINSTAY OF THE SITE, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE FOR US...... WHY DO YOU ATTACK HER??????? SHE DOESN'T DESERVE THIS.......... WE, AS INDIVIDUALS, CAN'T STAND UP FOR OURSELVES BECAUSE THOSE THAT ATTACK US WILL THEN ACCUSE US OF BEING SELF SERVING AND UNDESERVING AND SIMPLY TRYING TO MAKE OURSELVES LOOK GOOD OR BRAGGING ON OURSELVES...... IT IS CARING PEOPLE LIKE GENTLY THAT STAND UP AND INSIST ON THE RESPECT FOR US THAT WE DESERVE...... GENTLY HAS HONORED US WITH TRIBUTES SUCH AS HER "CANDLE CEREMONY" AT THE REUNION AND ALL THE WORK SHE HAS DONE ON THE "129TH REUNION FUND"..... SHE HAS TRIED TO GUIDE US TO THE TREATMENT SOME OF US NEEDS..... SHE HAS PERSONALLY TALKED AND ATTENDED TO SOME OF THE 129TH BROTHERS, AND OTHER VIETNAM VETS,THAT HAVE NEEDED HER AT THAT TIME...... DO YOU NOT SEE ALL THAT SHE HAS DONE, AND ALL THAT SHE IS WILLING TO DO, FOR US???????? I SINCERELY HOPE AND PRAY THAT SHE DOESN'T GIVE UP ON US OR START FEELING THAT WE DON'T APPRECIATE ALL THAT SHE DOES FOR US..... I ONCE TOLD HER THAT I UNDERSTAND THE TIE SHE HAS WITH THE 129TH, BUT I WASN'T SURE WHY SHE PUT UP WITH ALL THE TURMOIL THAT GOES ON WITH US....... HER ANSWER WAS: "C.P., I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO EARN MY WINGS. YOU, AND ALL THOSE MEN OF THE 129TH AND VIETNAM, DESERVE TO BE TREATED BETTER FOR ALL YOU DID".......... GENTLY, YOU ARE EARNING YOUR WINGS AND YOU ARE A SPECIAL ANGEL!!!!! ........... ............. ................. ................... ......................... ...................... ................... ................... ............. WHETHER SOME OF YOU NEED IT OR NOT, SOME OF US DO NEED THE LOVE AND CARING THAT MARK, DEE, GENTLY, ALEX, AND MOST ALL OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS GIVE....... I PERSONALLY AM VERY THANKFUL THAT THEY STAND WITH US...... I THINK THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THERE THAT WOULD BECOME A PART OF OUR FAMILY AND SUPPORT US, IF WE DON'T MAKE THEM AFRAID OF US..... MELODY, DIANE, KATHERINE, SUE, ARE JUST SOME THAT I THINK HAVE TRIED TO SHOW THEY CARE, BUT I FEEL SOME OF THEM ARE VERY SENSITIVE AND MIGHT BE AFRAID OF THE TREATMENT THEY MAY GET IF THEY GET INVOLVED WITH US...... PLEASE DON'T TURN ON THOSE THAT CARE FOR US................................... ............................ ........................ .......................... .............. TO ONE OF YOU IN PARTICULAR, "I WANT TO CALL YOU A "BROTHER" .......... YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR INTELLIGENCE, TALENTS, AND SENSITIVITY IN SOME OF YOUR POSTINGS, AND YOU ARE VERY ARTICULATE WITH YOUR USE OF WORDS...... PLEASE USE THESE GOOD ATTRIBUTES IN A POSITIVE WAY, AND HELP THOSE OF US THAT NEED IT........ I AM OBVIOUSLY NOT AS STRONG AS YOU ARE BECAUSE I DO STILL HAVE ISSUES ABOUT VIETNAM AND THE WAY WE WERE TREATED........... I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF MARKS 129TH WEB SITE AS I NEED AND BELIEVE IN THE "HEALING" THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN WE CARE FOR EACH OTHER........ ...... I HOPE YOU'LL FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TO HELP ME WORK OUT MY ISSUES, AND YOU WON'T FEEL YOU AGAIN NEED TO ATTACK OR TURN ON ME, OR MARK, OR GENTLY, OR ANY OF OUR 129TH BROTHERS AND SISTERS........ ????????? ????? WILL YOU ALLOW ME TO RETURN TO THE UNIT???????? ........ ccbloom@llion.org ....... ARE YOU FRIEND OR FOE?????????? ......... ...... KTF...... C.P. BLOOMFIELD, 129TH, 69-70.
C.P. Bloomfield
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 10:54:35 (MDT)
....Robbie.....Nope, aint found work yet. Like you, trying to sell my body every where I go. I am consentrating on looking for work in the handicap and Veteran fields. It'll happen. The good Lord will place me where I can do his work the best............JASON, Welcome to the 129th brother. Stick around............as you probably expected, I am disgusted with some of the goings on in here. Yeah I know we are a melting pot of all kinds in the world and from all over the world, but you dont walk into a church and start blurting out cuss words. Or go to a donut shop and order a hamburger. USE THE BACK CHANNELS!!!!!!!!!!!!..............thank you....................WELCOME HOME to all FNG's in here and stick around.............we will have some new photos and names being added to the page shortly............believe me, I am not mad at anyone here, I only have concern and love for those present, and those to come in the future, and those from the past.........as our house and the Pop-A-Top are to all of you, "always open", so will be the 129th Home Page, But I expect you to have the decency not to spit on the floor, or to subject my family and friends to the distroying ways of the world. It's as if we have forgotten that the, "ONES WHO GAVE ALL", are still among us in here. You demand respect at your houses, "THEY DESERVE" respect in theirs. THIS IS THE HOUSE OF,.................................................. SP5 GILLIAM ROBERT WENDELL SP4 NEAL JOHNNY LEONARD WO1 CHAMBERLAIN ROBERT F CPT WHETZEL HARRY THOMAS 1LT BRAGUE EDWIN STEVEN JR SP4 LYNAH TIMOTHY JOSEPH SP4 WELLS KENNETH WAYNE 1LT JUDSON HAMPDEN CUTTS JR WO1 MORSE REGINALD GEORGE SP4 WALKER MICHAEL DWAYNE WO1 WELLS EDWARD WILLIAM SSG GEORGE JAMES EDWARD JR SP4 BENDOR JOHN LEE WO1 STONER LARRY LEE SSG BROOKS JOHN HENRY RALPH SP4 GOONAN PAUL EDWARD JR WO1 STOWE JEFFREY CHARLES WO1 WITMER KENNETH EUGENE PFC HARGRAVE STEPHAN LEE SP4 JACKSON LAWRENCE DAVID CW2 DESANTIS STEPHEN ANTHONY WO1 SAWRAN RICHARD ARTHUR SSG SANDERLIN WILLIAM DALE SFC SHANLEY MICHAEL HENRY JR CW3 DUNLAP WILLIAM CHARLES CW3 VANDEN EYKEL MARTIN D II 1LT SHAW THOMAS FRANCIS WO1 STROTHER CLAUD PAUL CPT BILLINGSLY LEE WAYNE WO1 NOWAKOWSKI GLENN EDWARD.....................................please have respect, always a brother, mark
Mark
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 09:20:38 (MDT)
Alton, thanks buddy from both of us. Will be in Indy. Only 1 1/2 hours from there, so, I would have no excuse. Alvis, NO EXCUSES for you this year!! What are you about 20 minutes away from the airport??? If you don't show............we'll be at your place!!;o) Well, I cut my lawn for first time yesterday and ready for summer. Anyone ever traveling up or down SR 63 stop and yell at me. Hwy 63 is main 4-lane that replaced most of US-41 years ago that spans from Chicago to southern Florida. Clear, Gale
Gale
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 08:54:08 (MDT)
Fred A, Nope haven't found work yet. I have been to job fairs and have my resume in quite a few places around here. I'm trying to keep at it while doing things around the house. I have the cleanest yard in the neighborhood. Mark have you found work yet? Hope all is well with the rest of the flight.....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 08:24:54 (MDT)
Congradulation and best wishes Gale and Debbie. (I hope to see you both in Indy.)
Alton Page
West Columbia, SC USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 08:09:42 (MDT)
Way to go Ray, I hope the goverener gets someone on the ball.Just dont go to the hospital angery, they will throw you out. Welcome jason,hope you find the info your looking for. Family members in here now almost outnumber the 129th brothers who have found us so far.More are comming in at a faster rate as we grow older, get access to PC's,and start to look back over our shoulders.There will be a gathering of some of the 129th in indianapolis this year, in june.CB, would be really cool to see many examples of your art there.I will check to see if joe kline or "freak" will be at the vhcma reunion this year.One is a painter ( of some fame) of nam scenes, the other a sculpter of the same subject ( perhaps he is a wood worker...crs, sorry.Robbie, you find work yet?
alvis
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 07:38:26 (MDT)
hello to all after talking to the claim center and i carm down i called our govenre of MD HIS SECTERY TOLD ME TO SEND HIM IN WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN REVING SINCE DEC 2 OF 2003 AND HE WILL SURLY LOOK INTO IT, SHE SAID MAKE A GOOD COVER LETTER TO. ,AS YOU KNOW I WILL LET GAIL DO THAT. I ASLO CALLED MY VET MAN HE SAID GOOD IDEA HE ALSO SUJYSTED TO HAVE GAIL DO COVER LETTER; WHAT UPSETS ME ITS BEEN IN REVIEW SO LONG ALL THE DRs SAID I CAN'T WORK THAT THE PTST CAUSED THE DAMAGED TO MY MIND AND NEROLIGICAL ALL GAVE ME A GAF RATING OF 40 ANT TO SEE WE ARE BEING PUSHED BACK AGAIN OUTRAGED ME, I TOLD HIS SECETRY NOW I KNOW Y PEOPLE GO BOLISTICK I TOLD HER THAT I DON'T WANT SOME CLERK TO OPEN AND LAUGH AND TRASH IT SHE SAID HE READS ALL IS MAIL AND WILL GET BACK TO ME SO WE SEE I WISH YOU ALL LUCK TO.I LET YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. BE SAFE RAY I GUESS LIKE THE REST OF YOU IAM TIRED OF BEING TREAD LIKE THET DON'T CARE FOR VIET NAM VETS WE ARE PEOPLE TO WITH SAME PROPLLEMS THE OTHES HAVE
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 06:57:27 (MDT)
Hello everyone, my name is Jason, I'm the only son of Kenneth B. McLaughlin, and I stumbled across this website last night while looking for more info on my father... Most everyone may already know this, but my father died on March 8, 2002, and I am looking for some help putting together a really nice PowerPoint presentation for my mother from all the color slides of my dad's... I didn't have the time to read through all of these posts (sorry), but I did notice some older ones that mentioned my father's crash. I would love to have more documentation (maps, etc) of that incident if anyone has them in digital form... I also saw the most recent post from "C.B." about the nose cone art. I have some pics of that art if your interested - the time frame of the pics would be July 1965 through Sept. 1966, and I know one of them shows the art work on his chopper (#688). I would love to hear from anyone and everyone that knew my father, so please e-mail me and I will respond... God Bless, Jason M.
Jason McLaughlin <firefoxx@bellsouth.net>
Lufkin, Tx USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 02:47:41 (MDT)
TOM: Just received the photos of the Snowsnake nose art. Sent you an email saying such, then found your post here. I looked back to your dad's posting here about when he was part of the snowsnake revamping crew. The timing is right-on. I did do the nose art, but like Shakey Pete's Captain America gunship, I never got pictures of either one. It's really good to have come by a record of my work from that time. Thanks goes to all involved, you and Lou and wives. C.B.
C.B.
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:08:57 (MDT)
EVENING FLIGHT, Welcome home Millard, nice to see a new brother show up in here. you are right Ernie, I couldn't remember if we changed in June or July of 69 to the M-16. but I did remember it was close to the middle of my tour. and I didn't like the M-16 at all, I wanted something that would "reach out and touch somebody" but since then I have owned and shot a lot of different rifles and the M-16 (AR-15) is a very nice rifle. I have one now and I love it, but then I still love my M-1A (civilian M-14) I was the state armorer for the Arizona National from Dec 85 till April 96 so I got to see and shoot a lot of different rifles and they all have a good and a bad side. so I guess it is all up to the "shooter " to make up his/her mind as to which one is best. if you think politics and religon can start a fight ...... start talking guns and the "best rifle to do this or that with" and Murphy said **** and the fight is on. Alex, did you get the E-mail I sent you ? Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:03:28 (MDT)
I just heard a Jeff Foxworthy joke that reminded me of one morning on the way to Miami Beach on a small island we spotted a goat and thought we would give it to the ROCs, we loached aroud for 10 min. shooting at that goat, didnt hit it once. The joke was "if you think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph, then you might be a....."
jim
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:00:39 (MDT)
One other thing. I was wondering about the chat room. Can anyone clarify for me how that works because I think that I have been unsucessful in getting in on both my computer and my dad's. He would like to get into a chat room with some of you guys if the timing is right. Can anyone shed some light on getting in there for us. Thank you.
Tom Ragonese
Dover, DE USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:52:56 (MDT)
Hello to everyone. Mark, I resent you those pictures we had talked about a while back. Let me know when you get them. My dad and I will keep a look out to see when they get posted. He checks all the time to see if they have been posted. C.B. I e-mailed those pictures of the nose art as well I hope they are what you expected and I hope that it was actually a creation of yours. I always thought that it was some good nose art myself. I would like to say thanks to all of you men and women who share your thoughts I have found it all to be quite helpful.
Tom Ragonese
Dover, , De USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:46:54 (MDT)
Thanks Ernie, how did you guys like the new weapon? good to see you post. Katharine, good to see you post as well. Hope all is well with you and yours. See you in Indy this year?
alvis
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:48:20 (MDT)
Fred, as we went through the same at close to the same time, I had a 14 in the firstpart of basic, qualified as a expert, then they switched to a 16, got expert in that too, but didn't get that with the 60, took me a while to get the hang of the curve when firing out of a ship. It did come in handy when I got hold of a chunker, some day I'll tell you about the chunker and the old light house we used to use as a freee fire zone.....still clear left''''''''''Casey
Matt Casey
Hemet, CA USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:04:03 (MDT)
Kim LaVoie....Being a former city wide Chief Union Steward of over 4000 people in the public sector...I can relate very well. And that`s not counting Police and Fireman. Get the bargaining unit of a police division mad at you....where you gonna run. The Phillips I`m referring to got to Lane in January of 1970 and was a 67N20 type. He was gone before me, the crewmen( CC and Gunner) of "Chicken Wagon" usaully were short....2 months or less. Good Post!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:35:59 (MDT)
Yes Kim, Same Soldier. Puts three into one in my book. Thanks for flash suppresion here as well. In Basic at Polk I trained with M-14 Oct. 69 . Personal stock at Lane included, .38 Nut Plate w. 6" barrel, M-40, AR-15 with scope . All on board at all times while in Cobra Platoon. Also had a LAW in the hooch that we never dragged out, It might have been converted to a cigarette lighter for all I know. Shit, I was afraid to even touch the ugly thing.
Baron
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:28:51 (MDT)
Welcome to Vietnam, Mr. President. Sorry you didn't go when you had the chance. Max Cleland, patriot, war hero
The Blade
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:19:48 (MDT)
The 129th went to M-16's in July 1969
Ernie Gschwender <ernieg3@hotmail.com>
Lincoln Park, MI USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:07:31 (MDT)
Don't worry about us, and our arguing, it's a normal part of our lives. We might like to rmemeber brotherhood, comradeship, all the good things about being part of a fighting unit. The reality is a litle bit different! We had our share of fights, dislikes, running fueds. The juicers and the freaks.....lifers and RA's......war hawks and peaceniks...it was all a part of our experience! Witness some of the nose art..peace signs on a gunship? Old JOB on a transmission panel? Yeah, we're united in what we did, to a certain extent, and as diverse as anything American truly can be! Again, don't worry about our litle spats over the issues of the day, or any other issues, for that matter. Hell, I'm a union president. If I crawled into a hole every time someone was going to kill me, punch me out, burn my house, hate me on general principle, I'd be in China by now!!!!!!! Phillips was our armorer in the guns in mid 71, Baron, same guy??? Clear Left
Kim
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:01:49 (MDT)
What in the world is going on here? This is supposed to be a place of support, healing and love. I don't post often but I read daily and this is not good. I thought everyone was welcome here. Since I have become one of you I have found so much comfort in knowing that Michael Shanley and all the 129th are still brothers and sisters. This is not a political forum. We must all understand that we don't all think alike but we still love each other. I hope I am not causing more turmoil but it really pains me to think that we are losing touch with what this site means. I am sorry if this upset anyone but can't we just go back to the way we were. Forgive your brothers and sisters and love one and all. I need everyone on this site and I feel so privileged to think you have allowed me to become one of you. I truly do want to say Welcome Home to any one who has just joined in the last few weeks and Thanks for all you did. Thanks for the opportunity to be your sister Katharine
Katharine
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 17:18:56 (MDT)
Gary,,,seems like a Native American guy named Phillips, from upstate New York. I remember him. I think they switched off alot...changed crew chiefs back and forth it seem like. North and I were more permanent to the ship.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 16:57:49 (MDT)
North Witcher, Fred Skaags, Gary Carlson, Refresh my muddy memory Fred, Who usually crewed with us rabble on the Chicken Ship?, my friend.
Baron
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 16:29:41 (MDT)
Animal(Greg), I was in the first cycle at Ft.Jackson,S.C. that used and qualified with the M-16 in June and July of 1968. And in AIT I qualified with the M-14......Sharpshooter with the M-16 and Expert with the M-14...go figure...Maybe the M-14 was a better target weapon?
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 15:57:43 (MDT)
I got a Dodge pickum-up truck, that little MAG-6 engine runs like a top. Baron got a e-mail from North Witcher today, I past him your e-mail address. Since we both shared some good adventures with him.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 15:49:01 (MDT)
Alvis, Can't tell you when they switched to 16's in VN, but I was lucky enough to be in the first training company to have them in Basic at Ft. Puke LA. It was the winter of 69 I believe. The other companies that had been there longer were green with envy while marching around with their heavy m-14's. Greg
Animal
Puna HI, USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 15:43:16 (MDT)
Millard, welcome home and to the site. I have a picture of a Mr. Mckay that was there when i was, but that was 69/70. Do you know if he went to the 101st after lane? That is where this guy came from. Hope the rest of the flight is doing good. Ford/Chevy...Bush/Kerry... We can only hope the one we get will work good for us for 4 years, and then we could trade it in for a new one. Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 14:43:06 (MDT)
Millard Thompson, Let me shake your hand. You have a big family here, welcome home. I flew with the fine Crew Chiefs and Gunners of the 129TH from Nov. 70-71 and it was an experience that I will not soon forget. I'm in Contacts under Carlson . And thanks for your hand in pulling those men out. You surly must drive a DODGE .
Cobra Baron
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 14:23:51 (MDT)
Millard...Welcome Home...Where is Harts,W.V.? I go up I-77 home to Ohio. That`s pretty country up through there. I use to have to go to Kermit,W.V. to buy my beer...it was a "dry county" in Martin County, Kentucky.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 13:23:43 (MDT)
Alvis, Still using M-14's when I left in May 68. Affirmitive to the M-60's.
Gale
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 12:25:16 (MDT)
welcome home willard.
alvis
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 11:21:08 (MDT)
Question; when did the 129th switch over from m14s or m1s to m16s?Did you guys care for the early m-16s? Did you early guys use m-60s?
alvis
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 11:20:21 (MDT)
Ray, thank you for investagating the issue.JOB, WELL DONE!CB,gently is indeed a lady,not a ghostrider..oops ..ghostwriter. Hugs to her,(and she is very hugable).Hey Gale, when you guys off to califorinia? I go to v.a., here in indy, the 13th, will give situation report on plans for treatment of nam vets. To those still fighting claims, please continue,as v.a. must pay from time first filed. its money in the bank, when approved. Gale, goverener Keenan ( goverener of indiana) is a nam vet,was shot down and captured for 9 months. Its election time here.....hmmm, wonder if we knew anyone that knew him to post an inquirey.
alvis
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 11:16:42 (MDT)
Ray, When I filed my claim I kept getting answers like yours, they kept loosing paperwork and all kinds of crap like that. It wasn't untill a vet friend recomended that I go and talk with my local Congress person that things began to change. Even with their help papers were reported to not be in where they should be. But as they had made coppies of all the papers before they were sent in, it took no time at all for the Congress person to FAX a copy from there files. They also had a person who worked down at the VA that would keep an eye on the whole thing so it would not get moved back. You might as well do the same, and make your local Congress person your advocate, you might be surprized that a little influnce can go a long way. Worked for me......Tails Clear Left.......Casey
Matt Casey
Hemet, CA USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 10:54:25 (MDT)
Ray, When I filed my claim I kept getting answers like yours, they kept loosing paperwork and all kinds of crap like that. It wasn't untill a vet friend recomended that I go and talk with my local Congress person that things began to change. Even with their help papers were reported to not be in where they should be. But as they had made coppies of all the papers before they were sent in, it took no time at all for the Congress person to FAX a copy from there files. They also had a person who worked down at the VA that would keep an eye on the whole thing so it would not get moved back. You might as well do the same, and make your local Congress person your advocate, you might be surprized that a little influnce can go a long way. Worked for me......Taqils Clear Left.......Casey
Matt Casey
Hemet, CA USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 10:54:05 (MDT)
Flew with the 129 from July 1966 to August 1967 on 905 as the crew chief.Pilot of 905 of was WO Mckay, Set chopper in down Cam-ron Bay and saved 3 men from drowning in July 1967 Serial # US52656812
Millard Thompson
Harts , WV USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 10:36:27 (MDT)
Hi Ray, I hope everything's fine with you & yours. Debbie & I got married Sat (thanks Alvis, Robbie,Alex & all). We wish all that was at LZ Atlanta (that witnessed my surprise proposal) could have been there with us,but...... As far as the VA, I've never gotten far enough up to be "pushed back". Everyone says "don't give up",but, I've had it. I appreciate the advice someone on here told me about contacting my Congressman.....that did'nt work either. The VA just told them the same thing: "he needs new evidence". They also told my Congressman that I failed to show up for my Audiology test last year. I've got proof that I had it on June 2, 2003 at Danville, Il VA. I'm sending that proof to my Congressman to show that I'm not a liar and I am finished! It's caused me more stress than it's worth. I bet that 22 years of VA records will make a nice little bon-fire in my back yard!! Well Brothers, we've came a long way since Lane Field 37 years ago (for me)........we've graduated from arguments over "FORDS or CHEVIES" to "POLITICS". Why don't we throw some "RELIGION" in here too. I guess we'll always have some of that "little boy" mentality in us. It's kinda funny. We could make the SAME arguments today over Ford & Chevy (you notice I put Ford first 'cause there the best)as we did 30 years ago...........and you wanna bet we'll be making the same arguments about politics 30 years from now, if any of us are around! Mark, don't give up on us brother cause we truly , truly love ya man!!!! Gently, Fred S...........walk it off. It ain't worth it!! Love ya all. Clear left, Gale
Gale 67-68
Clinton, In US of A - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 10:26:02 (MDT)
hello all like i said to alvis I calLed my claim center SPOKE to the he him self told me that all viet nam vets are being pushed back, that the vets from Iraq come frist and we must wait once again . it seems to me we are alwas being pushed back but i told ALVIS I CALL. AND THATS THE ANSWER I GOT ,I DONT MEAN TO BRING IT UP HERE BUY WE MUST WAIT AGAIM I SAY NO MORE RAY
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 09:12:04 (MDT)
C.B. and all, I report on legislative issues pertaining to the VA, Veterans, and VVA to our VVA Chapter. My reports are always disturbing, moreso over the last year due to further budget cuts within the VA system, the War in Iraq, and then the effects of the combination of the two on care for Veterans, new and old. You can believe what I comment on or not. I wish you trusted me more, legislation is what I know about. I have no reason to mislead( yesterday, again, there was an article in the newspapers about the VA medical staff-anyone catch it). The red flags are there for all of you to notice and research, reading the newspaper usually is not sufficient, and in many cases by then it's too late. Part of my role within our VVA Chapter is to notice, research, and report. What can I say to you? I don't have the time to go back through all of my files to dig out the legislation pertaining to the "six week PTSD" program, nor am I going to. You can do your own research if you don't want to believe me. And C.B.-"the back-channel queen?" I'm really too busy. To all of you, I lost my temper with Fred S. and for that I apologise, especially for posting it here at this place of peace and healing. Taking a break-Judith
Judith
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 08:05:50 (MDT)
HELLO FLIGHT. FRED A I HAD TO RE FIILE TO BUT I DID IN AUGOF 2003. THEY SAY IT TAKES TIME. AT TIMES I WANT TO GIVE UP, BUT I WONT LET THEM WIN. I MAY HAVE BEEN PUSHED A SIDE LIKE YOU. I VALL THE VA CLAM CENTER TODAY AND TALK TO THEM ,I KNOW I HEAR LIES BUT THEY KNOW IAM AROUBD FRED PLEASE FEEL FRREE TO E MAIL ME FOR I HAD THE NIGHT MEARS JUST LIKE YOU AND STILL DO, I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER BUT I LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ANY WAY I MAY HAVE TO WAIT TILL TUE FOR MONDAY THEY ARE VERY BUSY IAM JUST A MAIL AWAY JUST DONT LET THEM LET YOU GIVE UP OK TAKE CARE , LIKE YOU I SEEN THE DEAD DODIES AND HEADS CUT OFF AND OTHER PARTS SO I KNOW HOW U FEEL. DON'T MATTER IF YOU E MAIL ME OR ANSAWE ME BUT I WILL CALL THE CLAIM CENTER AND LET YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET MISS INFORMED AT TIMES AND THINK THE WORSE TAKE CARE A BROTRHER VET RAY BE SAFE
RAY <STILWATING@AOL.COM>
MD USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 05:40:02 (MDT)
I stumbled onto this tonight by accident. I would like you all to know as the sister to a Vietnam Veteran I know what you are talking about when you share your pasts. My brother served two tours in Vietnam as a Helicopter Door Gunner. Let me say this, it was not easy on the family's here at home. You guys will always have a special spot in my heart for what you gave for this country and to the ones who never came home I can shed a tear and say that you are missed every day by your family's and friends. I know of several who were killed in VN. They live on in us. And as all of you who made special friends only to have them die, I know a part of them is in you they will NEVER BE FORGOTTEN EVER. They live on in us because they touched a place in our hearts. God Bless the Vietnam Veteran for he shall always have that special spot in my heart. just a sister; Casey
Casey Lee
USA - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 00:37:46 (MDT)
Gently, Heart felt thanks for all of your fine help here. I don't know you, don't know if your real or ghost written by some wise vetran. That does not matter. What does matter is your concern for us vetrans and your constant maternalistic reminders for us to remember our wounded and fallen comrades . This has hit home to me like a rocket. My introduction to the cyber Home of the 129TH has been warmer than I expected it would be because of your firm motherly vigilance. I am truly fortunate to to have with me my dearest friend in the world, My Mother. I dont know what it is about mom, probably just the simple fact that , There is no doubt, only secure, solid, honest, feeling between us. The coolest part of being with Mom is that when I'm with her, I'm the Kid, And I dig being a Kid. Kids are cool, Moms have Kids. Kids seek adventure and excitment and meet the Moms and make the Kids that have Moms. So I think that for the 129TH to have a Mom is very cool indeed. Seems to me that in my early stages here I tend to compare my experiences now with my memories of my entrance into the 129TH Assult Helicopter Company back in Nov. 1970 at Lane. There are many similarities and parallelisms between them. Back at Lane, we had many comforts, food, shelter, security, friendships, dogs, hooch maids, recreation and many fine toys, Clubs, Buddies, Hellicopters, Guns, Gas, and Girls, to name a few. But we didn't have a Mom to tuck us in. Where were you? O.K. Who was on that, "Peacock Feathers Mission", with me? A.C. North Witcher ?, P. G.C., C. E. ?, D. G. ? We picked up the General and 2 round eye nurses midmorning on the prettiest day that the beautiful Viet Nam had to offer. Blue sky and solid smooth air. Man, it was nice. The General smiled. The ladies smiled like they had just RONed at Lane. The younger 2LT was a blond, beautiful, shinning perfect example of healthy American woman as I have ever seen. She reminds me of the young Navy Nurse in," In Harms Way", except for her 1970 hair style. The Maj. sat in the middle , older, more mature, obviously pleased with the fine day and the smiling General who sat close on her left. A.C. smiled, P.P. smiled, C.E. smiled, D.G. smiled, 2LT. Beamed, Maj. smiled, Gen. smiled. I cant remember where we went, probably just checking on some wounded guys. A.C. smiled as he confidently guided our flight, leaving me with nothing to do but smile and monitor the clock and our smiling crew and passengers. On the way back we flew over the river and the General pointed confidently, showing our nurses the Peacocks below. After some close chatter with the maj. the order was given to bring one of the birds down. We landed and the Gunner got out to harvest the trophy tail feathers. The Gunner came back to the ship and presented the feathers to the Maj. who held them in her arms and smiled as if she had just won a beauty pagent. We took off from the river bed and I turn around and see the smiling Maj. holding those beautiful feathers, and all had a smile. the next time I turn , peacock feathers are thrown to the deck, Maj. is horrified, 2LT is concerned, but happy, and still very beautiful, Gen. is concerned, C.E. is smiling, D.G. is grinning.A.C. slows the ship down so C.E. and D.G. can kick the feathers out the door. Seems the lice from the base of the feather boquet became aggitated and began to rise. Crew Chief said later," By the hundreds". Damn, I didn't dare to turn around again till we dropped them off. Then we roared, and grinned all the way back to Lane.
Baron
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:40:23 (MDT)
gently, I went to heli vets and ask around ,about your statement. most said they hadnt heard of anything like that YET, but here is one response we should be all aware of. i will not put the mans name , nor the entire response,just one paragragh.this is passed on with out comment......I don't know about that, but in TN the VARO in Nashville has delayed claims not associated with Iraq, in favor of the returning 101st troops at FT Campbell. My claim was scheduled to come out of the ratings board March 5. It has been delayed for "probaly another 90 days" due to the increase in claims since the 101st has come back. Considering that my claim was in long before the 101st returned, and had a spot "in line" this seems to me to be a classic example of RVN Vets being pushed aside, again. this is from an angry vet,as some of us are.Take it with a grain of salt. alvis
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 20:47:58 (MDT)
In late 1970,at Ft.Lewis, a buddy and I were working on something,with both hands full Kenny let the cigarette in his mouth fall to the floor, A few minuted later I motioned to the butt and said something about stepping on it to put it out,the section Sgt. saw him and yell "why'd you do that", cause Baggs said to.Yelling again Sarge says "well get a broom and clean it up" Kenny responds "might as well get a mop too".The Sagre lost it "both of you get out of here,go stand in the latrine". When we get there I tell Kenny we should clean it up so when the Sarge gets here he won't be able to tell us to.Sure enough 10 min.later he comes in like its an inspection,looks around and leaves mumbling something about gettin' back to work.
jim
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 17:53:07 (MDT)
One has to give consideration, to the fact that, one day the money supporting the Blackwater Mercenaries "Splendid Little war for Profit", will dry up and they will be coming back here, to the good old USA. Unlike the conventional uniformed vet, who comes home and gets a job working for the local Ford dealership, Just what do you suppose the truly professional war professionals will do with their time? Will they reshape the Militia Movement, into a far more efficient tool for Right Wing overthrow of the government, in order to install a facist state, that would see democrats and progressives led into ditches and shot? What bothers me about our hired killers overseas, is that eventualy they will retire right here in the U.S. and idle trigger fingers are the tool of the devil. I'm worried that the same set of skills used in controling the population of Fallujah, could easily be adapted, to controling large American cities.
The Blade
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 16:35:57 (MDT)
Mercenaries 'R' U.S. Private Pentagon contractors are paying soldiers of fortune from Chile and South Africa up to $4,000 per month for stints in Iraq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On March 31, four retired Special Operations forces employed by the private security firm Blackwater Security Consulting were ambushed, killed, and their bodies mutilated in Fallujah. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, an estimated 15,000 "private security agents" are currently operating in Iraq. With the U.S. casualty toll ticking ever upward, and its troops stretched thin on the ground, the Bush administration is looking to mercenaries to help control Iraq. These soldiers-for-hire are veterans of some of the most repressive military forces in the world, including that of the former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and South Africa's apartheid regime. In February, Blackwater USA, a North Carolina-based Pentagon contractor, began recruiting "former commandos, other soldiers and seamen" from Chile, offering them up to $4,000 a month "to guard oil wells against attack by insurgents," the Guardian reported. The company "flew a first group of about 60 former commandos, many of who had trained under the military government of Augusto Pinochet, from Santiago to a... [large] training camp in North Carolina," wrote Jonathan Franklin, reporting from Santiago, Chile. These recruits will eventually wind up in Iraq, where they will spend six months to a year: "We scour the ends of the earth to find professionals -- the Chilean commandos are very, very professional and they fit within the Blackwater system," Gary Jackson, the president of Blackwater USA, told the Guardian. Michelle Bachelet, Chile's defense minister, told Franklin that she was concerned about "whether paramilitary training by Blackwater violated Chilean laws on the use of weapons by private citizens," and she "ordered an investigation." Bachelet also was troubled by stories that "people on active duty were involved." According to Franklin, "Many soldiers are said to be leaving the army to join the private companies." While Blackwater USA is not nearly as well known as Halliburton or Bechtel -- two mega-corporations making a killing off the reconstruction of Iraq -- it nevertheless is doing quite well financially, Gary Jackson said. "We have grown 300% over each of the past three years and we are small compared to the big ones. We have a very small niche market, we work towards putting out the cream of the crop, the best." The company was founded in 1998, and at the time, it was like playing "roulette, [it was] a crapshoot," Jackson, the former Navy seal, told Mother Jones reporter Barry Yeoman. "Their investment paid off," Yeoman wrote. "Since the attacks of September 11, the company has seen its business boom -- enough to warrant a major expansion of its training facility this year. 'To contemplate outsourcing tactical, strategic, firearms-type training -- high-risk training -- is thinking outside the box,' Jackson said. 'Is this happening? Yes, this is happening.'" Blackwater USA specializes in firearm, tactics and security training and is comprised of five companies; Blackwater Training Center, Blackwater Target Systems, Blackwater Security Consulting, Blackwater Canine, and Blackwater Air (AWS), and has been doing business with the Department of Defense, Department of State, and Department of Transportation, in addition to local and state entities from around the country, multi-national corporations, and countries from all over the globe. According to an April 2003 PRWeb press release, "Blackwater's 5,200 square acre facility located in Moyock, NC... is the largest privately-owned firearms training facility in the nation and contains state of the art firearms ranges and training apparatus." Yeoman described the facilities as "a remote tactical training camp, [located] in a swamp 25 miles from the world's largest naval base." In October 2003, the company inked an estimated $35.7 million contract "to train more than 10,000 sailors from Virginia, Texas, and California each year in 'force protection,'" Yeoman reported. While there are always a number of high-profile events on Blackwater's schedule, this year's World SWAT Challenge & Conference -- scheduled for mid-May -- is being touted as "The One SWAT Event You Can't Afford to Miss." The conference, which will be held at the company's training facility in Moyock, is being organized by law enforcement "special ops experts who have been there themselves." In addition to "special ops" conferences and weapons trainings, for the stay-at-home warrior the company offers a full array of gear including tee-shirts, ball caps, gym shorts, mugs, and license plates with the Blackwater logo. According to the Web blog Spark, "In recent years, the presence of military contractors in U.S. wars and military operations has increased significantly. During the Persian Gulf War of 1991, one in every 50 people on the battlefield was an American mercenary, fighting under a contract. In Bosnia in 1996, that ratio was one in 10." Currently there are thousands of soldiers under contract with private companies serving in Iraq. "Squads of Bosnians, Filipinos and Americans with special forces experience have been hired for tasks ranging from airport security to protecting Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority," The Guardian's Franklin reported. Chile isn't the only country from which private companies have recruited mercenaries for Iraq. According to the South Africa newspaper, The Cape Times, "More than 1,500 South Africans are believed to be in Iraq under contract to various private military companies." The United Nations recently reported that South Africa "is already among the top three suppliers of personnel for private military companies, along with the UK and the US." The Cape Times' Beauregard Tromp writes that "The Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act, passed in July 1998, prohibits South African citizens from direct participation as a combatant in armed conflict for private gain. Such engagement includes recruitment, training, or financing and applies to South Africans acting outside the country as well." Institute for Security Studies military analyst Henri Boshoff told Tromp that it appeared most of the South Africans in Iraq were former members of the South African Defense Force and South African Police. "The guys over there are walking a thin line, close to contravening the Foreign Military Assistance Act," he added. According to the Web site of the South African-based Democratic Alliance, the private companies appear to be working in Iraq "in contravention of South African law." South African law states that all security companies working outside the country must register with the National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC), headed by Minister of Education Kader Asmal. "So far," according to Tromp, "two companies, Meteoric Tactical Solutions and Grand Lake Trading 46 (Pty) Ltd, have submitted applications to operate in Iraq." Meteoric Tactical Solutions "is providing protection and is also training new Iraqi police and security units," while another company, Erinys, a joint South African-British company which has failed to register with the government, "has received a multimillion-dollar contract to protect Iraq's oil industry," the Cape Times reported. Earlier this year, an Erinys employee was killed when a car bomb exploded at a hotel where South Africans have been staying. Raenette Taljaard, a member of the South African Parliament, recently wrote in YaleGlobal Online that this new "booming cottage industry" of private security companies -- which includes companies like Kroll, Armor, Control Risks, Rubicon and Global Risk -- "boast of a whole range of specializations and hail from a range of countries but, together, they provide all the services normally carried out by national military forces, including intelligence, military training, logistics and security. "In addition to becoming an integral part of the machinery of war, they are emerging as cogs in the infrastructure of peace. US-allied military officials and civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan are quickly becoming familiar with the 'brand services' provided by companies. "But the battlefield is not merely another arena for business, and the profit motive may distort security strategy decisions. The expansion of services performed by civilian entities raises several concerns: the lack of transparency and oversight common to their operations; the performance of companies motivated by profit, not national foreign policy or security interest; and revolving-door-style nepotism and conflicts of interest. All these are concerns that grow ever more urgent as mega-corporation-style military companies diversify even further." The high salaries and shorter terms of employment that private companies are offering mercenaries could cause the U.S. military and the militaries of other countries to face severe personnel shortages. "If they are going to outsource tasks that were once held by active-duty military and are now using private contractors, those guys [on active duty] are looking and asking, 'Where is the money?'" Gary Jackson told Franklin.
The Blade
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 15:27:52 (MDT)
It was not desirable that the people should have strong political feelings. All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism, which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working hours or shorter rations. And even when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent lead nowhere, because, being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances. The larger evils invariably escaped their notice........ George Orwell, 1984
The Blade
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 15:08:48 (MDT)
Jim, I love music, as you can tell. I can talk music all day. LSD in Nixon`s punch....might have done him some good. J.W. Wilson, did you take a breath at any point in that post? That was a long post.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 15:01:21 (MDT)
Fred, there was a VH1 Behind the Music about Grace or the whole band etc. Do you remember the story about her trying to put LSD in Nixon's punch bowl? can't remember if she confirmed or denied that, but there was a home movie of her in Germany,late 80s early 90s durring a concert she was realy messed up on who knows what and in the middle of singing she starts berating the audience about all the things the Nazi's did, that was a display of real Ugly Americanism, But the music is still good, what can you say but xin loi, Thanks for the info Brother.
jim
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 14:39:19 (MDT)
HELLO TO ALL ONCE AGAIN I SEE FIGHTING AND ARGUING AMONG A FEW OF US ATTACKING SOME WHO HAVE DONE MUCH. AS MARK SAID HE IS SADDEN BY WHAT HE SEE WHATS GOING ON HERE AS IAM TO. I ONCE GOT SO MUCH HELP HERE, FOR THOSE THAT LIKE TO TALK POLITITS CAN'T YOU ALL CREATE A PLACE TO GO TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND LET THIS BE FOR HEALING LIKE MARK SET IT UP TO BE. IT SADDENS ME TO SEE ONE TO ATTACK GENTLY LIKE THEY DID HERE.INSTEAD OF JUST OF HAVING THE DECENSIE TO SEND HER A E MAIL, SHE HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR THIS SIGHT. I DON'T SAY MUCH. NUT WHEN I SEE WHAT MARK AND DEE WORKED SO HARD TO BUILD COME TO BE A BATTLE GROUND FOR NAME CALLING AND POLITICS, IT HURTS ME. FOR THIS PLACE HAS DONE WONDERS FOR ME, FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO TALK POLITICS CANT YOU MAKE A PLACE FOR YOU TO GO. SORRY DON'T WANT TO CAUSE TROUBLE BUT THIS IS OUT OF HAND,SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE BUT I THINK THIS HAD TO BE SAID CB PERHAPS YOU NEED TO SEND GENTLY A MAIL APOLOGIGING FOR WHAT U SAID ON HERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEN SENT BY E MAIL I GUESS I SAIS ENOUGH HOPE I DID'T SAY ANYTHING TO GET ANY MAD BUT WANT THIS PLACE BACK TO THE IT WAS WHEN I FRIST CAME FULL OF LOVE FOR EACH OTHER A ROTHER ALWAYS RAY GOOD JOB MARK AND DEE LOVE YOU ALL SEE U IN INDY
RAY
MD USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 11:48:37 (MDT)
Alvis Congradulations I hope you,Susan and Tiffiany have many more years of happiness together. Gale same for you and Debbie. To all my Brothers and Sisters have a wonderfull and blessed day. Alex
Alvis
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 10:38:18 (MDT)
I agree with animal about communication on this site. It's nice to see and read different opinions and ideas, but please keep it short and to the point. If you have an axe to grind with someone in here, no matter who's grinding and who's being ground please take it to personal email's don't do it here on this beautiful site. I know for a fact that Mark Jackson did not create this site for such goings on. As Ray Gagner would say, that's my two sense. Just kidding Ray. Rick, nice to see your first post in here in a long time. I've missed your humor. Congratulations to Gale and Debbie, on their one day anniversary. Hope the rest of the flight is doing ok.......Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 10:09:27 (MDT)
Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel HERE ARE SOME OF LIFE'S TRUER RULES: Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel Dear Civilians, We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military. For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas we would like your assistance: 1) The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem ... kick their ass. 2) When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in protest ... kick their ass. 3) Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a Disabled Veteran kicks their ass. 4) (GUYS) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDU's), telling others that you used to be "Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked. 5) Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass kicking (children are exempt). 6) If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard non military, inform them of their mistake...and kick their ass. 7) Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper...it was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your ass will be kicked. 8) Next time Old Glory (U.S. flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. > Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her...of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking. 9) What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. The proper word to describe her is "traitor." Just mention her nomination for "Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked. 10) Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. Our Chain of Command, is to include our commander in Chief. The President (for those who didn't know) is our CIC regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all those representatives" meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.) 11) "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me ... stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore, could kick your ass! 12) Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick their ass. 13) Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy) etc, are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. That could get your ass kicked. 14) Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get its ass kicked. "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." (Authored by:)Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC (Please pass this on so I won't have to kick your ass!) "If you can read this, thank a teacher; ...if you are reading it in English, thank a Soldier, Airman, Salior or a Marine." Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel HERE ARE SOME OF LIFE'S TRUER RULES: Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel Dear Civilians, We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military. For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas we would like your assistance: 1) The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem ... kick their ass. 2) When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in protest ... kick their ass. 3) Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a Disabled Veteran kicks their ass. 4) (GUYS) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDU's), telling others that you used to be "Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked. 5) Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass kicking (children are exempt). 6) If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard non military, inform them of their mistake...and kick their ass. 7) Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper...it was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your ass will be kicked. 8) Next time Old Glory (U.S. flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. > Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her...of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking. 9) What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. The proper word to describe her is "traitor." Just mention her nomination for "Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked. 10) Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. Our Chain of Command, is to include our commander in Chief. The President (for those who didn't know) is our CIC regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all those representatives" meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.) 11) "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me ... stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore, could kick your ass! 12) Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick their ass. 13) Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy) etc, are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. That could get your ass kicked. 14) Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get its ass kicked. "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." (Authored by:)Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC (Please pass this on so I won't have to kick your ass!) "If you can read this, thank a teacher; ...if you are reading it in English, thank a Soldier, Airman, Salior or a Marine." Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel HERE ARE SOME OF LIFE'S TRUER RULES: Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel Dear Civilians, We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military. For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas we would like your assistance: 1) The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem ... kick their ass. 2) When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in protest ... kick their ass. 3) Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a Disabled Veteran kicks their ass. 4) (GUYS) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDU's), telling others that you used to be "Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked. 5) Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass kicking (children are exempt). 6) If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard non military, inform them of their mistake...and kick their ass. 7) Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper...it was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your ass will be kicked. 8) Next time Old Glory (U.S. flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. > Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her...of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking. 9) What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. The proper word to describe her is "traitor." Just mention her nomination for "Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked. 10) Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. Our Chain of Command, is to include our commander in Chief. The President (for those who didn't know) is our CIC regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all those representatives" meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.) 11) "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me ... stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore, could kick your ass! 12) Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick their ass. 13) Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy) etc, are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. That could get your ass kicked. 14) Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get its ass kicked. "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." (Authored by:)Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC (Please pass this on so I won't have to kick your ass!) "If you can read this, thank a teacher; ...if you are reading it in English, thank a Soldier, Airman, Salior or a Marine." Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel HERE ARE SOME OF LIFE'S TRUER RULES: Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel Dear Civilians, We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military. For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas we would like your assistance: 1) The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem ... kick their ass. 2) When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in protest ... kick their ass. 3) Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a Disabled Veteran kicks their ass. 4) (GUYS) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDU's), telling others that you used to be "Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked. 5) Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass kicking (children are exempt). 6) If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard non military, inform them of their mistake...and kick their ass. 7) Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper...it was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your ass will be kicked. 8) Next time Old Glory (U.S. flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. > Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her...of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking. 9) What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. The proper word to describe her is "traitor." Just mention her nomination for "Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked. 10) Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. Our Chain of Command, is to include our commander in Chief. The President (for those who didn't know) is our CIC regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all those representatives" meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.) 11) "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me ... stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore, could kick your ass! 12) Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick their ass. 13) Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy) etc, are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. That could get your ass kicked. 14) Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get its ass kicked. "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." (Authored by:)Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC (Please pass this on so I won't have to kick your ass!) "If you can read this, thank a teacher; ...if you are reading it in English, thank a Soldier, Airman, Salior or a Marine."
J.W. Wilson
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 09:52:30 (MDT)
http://entertainment.msn.com/artist/?artist=713418.........that`s better.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 09:37:15 (MDT)
Brother Jim, check this out.......Darby Slick played guitar in the Great Society, the band his sister-in-law, Grace Slick, sang in before joining the Jefferson Airplane. He also wrote "Somebody to Love," which Grace Slick introduced into the Jefferson Airplane's repertoire, and sang lead on when the Airplane recorded it for a Top Ten hit.........http://entertainment.msn.com/artist/?artist=713418......more about him Jim...
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 09:35:15 (MDT)
Gracie Slick married...I bet that was a "spaceship relationship"....Later on in years she and Paul Kanter of the Airplane had a kid together.....Dream couple...Ozzie Osborne and Gracie Slick...can you imagine the "off-spring" of that one?
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 09:07:18 (MDT)
one year ago today,Susan and Tiffeny,at about this time of day,arrived at my home tyo begin a new life in America and with me.I am proud (and thankful) to annouce that all is still going well.COngrads Gale, you have been married ONE day. chuckle,wish you and debbie , the best, my friend.
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 08:44:56 (MDT)
Fred Skaggs, yes Grace sang the song but her husband at the time,Darby, was the writer (like I would have known if I didnt look it up).
jim
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 08:27:22 (MDT)
chuckling at ricks post, good to see you back buddy.
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 08:02:32 (MDT)
I hate to see the long simmering feud break out into open flame once more.I respect both parties,like to read both parties post, and think of both as friends.I do know for a fact that name calling isnt onesided.Familys fight.I believe both parties are valueable assets to this site,to this membership.Most know of the "behind the scenes" work gently has done,in reguards to xmas funds and reunion funds.I applaude her for her efforts. Fred Scaggs writes with both wisdom and humor.His music knowledge is unmatched and truely bottomless.( I dont know how he does it) Social commentary from freddy is usually right on and much deeper than appears on the surface.I am glad you are here freedy.In my opinion, this site would suffer if either "took their ball and went home".I have no biz commenting on the flair up,but , thats how I see it.I will not choose sides, nor berate one over the other.Freddys place in here is as bona fide as it gets, period!Gentlys,as well as the other ladies that come in here,are bonna fide as well and I have met two of them. play nice kids.
alvis
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 07:57:42 (MDT)
WOW!!!!.............................UNBELEIVEABLE IN HERE!!!!!!!!..............SADDENED AND HEAVYHEART..................................................................................................................................
Mark
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 07:47:57 (MDT)
Here is one for the CAv guys.********THE CHICKEN AND THE HORSE On the farm lived a chicken and a horse, both of whom loved to play together. One day, the two were playing when the horse fell into a bog and began to sink. Scared for his life, the horse whinnied for the chicken to go get the farmer for help! Off the chicken ran, back to the farm. Arriving at the farm, he searched and searched for the farmer, but to no avail, for he had gone to town with the only tractor. Running around, the chicken spied the farmer's new Harley. Finding the keys in the ignition, the chicken sped off with a length of rope hoping he still had time to save his friend's life. Back at the bog, the horse was surprised, but happy, to see the Chicken arrive on the shiny Harley, and he managed to get a hold of the loop of rope the chicken tossed to him. After tying the other end to the rear of the farmer's bike, the chicken then drove slowly forward and, with the aid of the powerful bike, rescued the horse! Happy and proud, the chicken rode the Harley back to the farmhouse, and the farmer was none the wiser when he returned. The friendship between the two animals was cemented: best buddies, best pals. A few weeks later, the chicken fell into a mud pit, and soon, he too, began to sink and cried out to the horse to save his life! The horse thought a moment, walked over, and straddled the large puddle. Looking underneath, he told the chicken to grab his "thing" and he would then lift him out of the pit. The chicken got a good grip, and the horse pulled him up and out, saving his life. The moral of the story? The CAV guys know the answer.**********Clear Left I am out of here. Be careful out there * * * * * * * * When you're hung like a horse, you don't need a Harley to pick up Chicks.
Rick England
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 07:33:30 (MDT)
Jim...That`s Grace Slick of the Jefferson Airplane(Starship).....Great song of our time frame....Somebody to Love...
Fred Skaggs
USA - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 06:43:44 (MDT)
Someone advised when posting on here to use a personal email address within the post to avoid spam coming to the site. My email is LSAH1852@hotmail.com. I just wanted to invite anyone that knew or served with Larry Jackson to contact me. I received a wonderful email from Ray Gagner and he'll never know how much I appreciated that. It means a lot to me that many of you feel comfortable sharing your memories with me and I encourage you to keep doing that. Regarding what is discussed in here..I feel sharing whatever is on one's mind is the purpose of a site. Some people are involved with the past, some are concerned with the present and future. It all depends on the individual what is important to them at any given time. Me...I normally don't talk politics, but I hate war, I hate the dying that war brings on. I don't want another Vietnam. Never another Vietnam. By the way, it's snowing here in Ohio tonight.
Sue
Celina, OH USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 23:03:06 (MST)
When the truth is found to be lies and all the joys within you dies don't you want somebody to love Darby Slick
jim
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 21:42:18 (MST)
I see this site as a conversation.... Back and forth,subjects changing..... Information given and recieved,believed or dissmissed. Personal points of view..... venting...... It's all good. As in a conversation though, when someone goes on and on without pausing for a response(those long assed posts)no matter what their opinion,they are a BORE! delete delete.... Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 20:54:26 (MST)
Gently, please validate your alarming post concerning PTSD treatment my the VA. You said, "The VA is changing policies on it (the PTSD program), basically getting rid of the Vietnam Vets(by making it very uncomfortable for them to speak due to new inexpereinced counselors taking over, many who are young females) to make room for the Iraqi Vets. The program may go to 6wks of treatment and then you're out." The VA I use doesn't know anything about this! The VA's used by a number of friends around the country don't know anything about this. I could find nothing while searching the internet. Penn State University's Research Center for Graduate Studies did not yeild any basis for your statement. So please, Gently, enlighten us. Where did this come from? This issue directly effects many that visit this site. If it is true, we need to know. If it isn't true, it is a dis-service to all of us. Before you disseminate 'information' and advise us, you need to establish credibility for it. So please, Gently, where did your information come from?
C.B.
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 20:48:11 (MST)
Well this is a quick hello. So sad to see whats been going on here but such is life and all the different sorts of relationships. Personally Gently has never been anything but kind to me and very helpful. She has even offered to take some photos of my uncle to the reunion...which i was wondering is it was still ok with you Gently? Have them ready to send out if it is. So happy to see James sending out the e-mails too! Be kind to eachother but remember we all have bad days and good days...
Melody Pershall
Amarillo, TX USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 20:01:30 (MST)
Rick England, thanks for the offer on the room. I wish i knew if i will be able to come to the Reunion or not. Is that fire that was North of Phoenix close to you? As you would say, Be careful out there. He he he. For those of you who knew him, I spoke to John Stone the other night. He is still flying helicopters in a fire fighting capacity. Ray Gagner called me and said John had called him and gave me his number. It's cold wet and possibly snowy tomorrow in upstate NY. Hope everyone is doing well.....Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 19:21:06 (MST)
Gently: When you first came to this site several years ago you asked 129th members to accept and include you visa vi your 'connection' to someone that served in the 129th. You were brought into the fold, I beleive, without objection. Over the years you have made some backhanded remarks about others that post here. You have posted damning "information" about VA hospitals that turned out to totally unfounded. You, the queen of back-channeling, have privately emailed folks on this site with scathing condemnations. But you went over the top when you posted (Friday, April 02, 2004 at 11:11:20) on this site to Fred Skaggs: "F.S-my words were honest and sincere. I can say "I know what you're going through" with your mother, because I went through it with my dad just last summer. To take my words and back channel(or call) our friends on this site with your constant self-rightousness and berating of me has really pissed me off this time! I have nothing further to say to you! And don't call me anymore! ME. Gently". You are out of line Gently. If you have some personal issue with Skaggs, email him, but don't do it here. Where do you get off thinking you can do something like this and not get called on it? It appears you are the self-rightous and berating one. At the very least quit using that bullshit tagline "always there for all you veterans", because you clearly don't mean ALL. C.B.
C.B.
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 19:19:16 (MST)
My way of ascertaining the veracity of a statement....carry it to an extreme, and see if it still makes sense. Full of shit, nope. Just pointing out that length of time in country doesn't mean a thing. I guess I can respect the will of the majority regarding politics. However, I think we're also missing an important point; our war was totally political, a response to the red baiting that set the stage for a lot of intrigues during the cold war. A point here...we (America) survived our Vietnam, the Soviet Union didn't survive theirs. Our soldiers, airmen, sailors, are doing their duty, just as we did ours. It's up to us now, as it was our fathers and mothers, to make sure that they are fighting, and dying, for our national security. ....by the way, anyone got any idea where the life expectancy tables came from? I did some thinking, and between the 129th and A, 1st Ave, I guess I spent about 10 hours in actual combat. We carried about 2 minutes of firepower on a mission. Figuring inbound and outbound, 3 second bursts of the mini's, rockets could be salvo'ed in seconds, us firing on the break, or an occasional target on our flight path, that's about right. Still, that's one hell of a lot of seconds!!! Alvis..I respect that you served, and respect your right to feel as you do..I simply disagree with some of your assertions, no anger, no hostility..........
Kim
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 19:16:24 (MST)
Kim ,you are ful of shit to try to put words in my mouth, 7 thousand died in seconds and they don t count...give me a break.You know damn well thats not what I said ,nor inferred.Your reasoning goes way beyond what was stated.
alvis
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 17:39:04 (MST)
I strongly agree with some of the rest, we are getting away from the purpose of the site, Let's all use our judgement & there are other ways of arguing politics, personal fights etc. E-mail each other but lets not distract or plug the site with this stuff, thanks to Al Ferwalt, you are my hero, i agree with all you said>> respects Smitty
jim westwang 71-72
Sheridan, Wy USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 15:58:45 (MST)
Sorry a slip of the finger. to continue. It's great to see the support we give to our Brothers and Sisters. Some of you have lost a Loved one. Others have had a seriously ill family member. We are there in support. Somethings are hard to go alone. But, with family it's the thought of Brothers and Sisters caring ang giving the Shoulder to lean on. Luckly my family is all here on this earth. So I can't say I know how you fee. But, I can pray for that family member and you. It's great news about Fred S. Mother.along with Don Miller and Bud Rainey's wives. Brothers and Sisters let's focus on the True purpose of this site. Were not getting any younger. And time is passing us by. So let's show the public whom vists this site. That we are mature people at this site. Alex 65-68
aLEX
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 13:47:45 (MST)
Flight: As usual we forget so soon what the purpose of this site is all about. If you have forgotten. Then you have a short memory like me. Until I reach this site. This is a place of healing and to find our lost Brothers that we served with. Along the way we have picked up some wonderful people of our KIA'S!! These are family and friends trying to find out about Our Brothers Whom Gave It All. Here at the Home of the 129th. We support each other through the good times and the bad. Were Family. We need to respect each other. This consent bickering has to stop. We are adult's and need to act like it. As was pervious stated we have our private emails. Let's use them on subjects that most are not interested in. We I visit this site. It's a way to keep up on the 129th Family. It's great to see the support for
Alex
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 13:16:51 (MST)
THIS IS FROM THE VHFCN. Do you really want me to put censorship on what you can/cannot write about on the net? I personally tire of all the political and religious posts myself but I use the delete key a lot too. The purpose of this net was to provide a forum for which we could enjoy a fellowship based on our common ground of all having served as helicopter crewmemters in Vietnam during the war. However, it has been taken far and beyond that scope and the fellowship is sometimes near non-existent. I don't favor censorship on a mandatory basis but would sure entertain some self-imposed censorship on the part of the membership. All the little firefights that transpire due to differences of opinion or rudeness is wearing many of us down. THERE IS MORE, BUT THIS IS THE JIST OF IT, SO THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO THIS SITE.
jim
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 12:24:49 (MST)
First they ignore you....Then they redicule you......Then they attack you.....Then you win!!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 11:41:58 (MST)
Come on people, this site is sounding more like a National News Channel than the 129th Net. How about if you want to express your political views use individual e-mails & save this space for what it was designed for, a place for us to come together & help each other. Sue I always felt if someone was paying my wages & putting bread & butter on my table I owed them my respect & loyality, if it got where I couldn't do this, I would be looking for another job. These are just some of my feeling. Frank (Cobra Plt 69-70)
Frank Loveday
Bastrop, La. USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 11:14:43 (MST)
War is all about money. At least regarding the last 30 years and the conflicts we engaged in. It's a proven fact that war is good for the economy. Even MORESO when there are rich oil fields to be procurred in the process. Funny...but we have people in this country without jobs, without insurance to pay for medical needs, without homes and Pres. Bush is worried about REBUILDING Iraq. I find that hard to stomach. Anyone ever wonder whatever happened to the intense search for Bin Laden? My personal opinion is...we went into Iraq to finish a job from the Sr. Bush administration and also to take control of the oil fields. Bin Laden is being "saved" for a more productive point closer to election day. Just my thoughts. I think I mentioned it on here once before, but the printing company I work for is owned by the Carlyle Group...aka The Ex-President's Club. It's headed up by former Pres. Bush and many politicians associated with him. Oddly enough, one of the companies owned by the Carlyle Group ALSO does cleanups of contaminants and was quite busy with the Anthrax scares of a couple of years back. The Carlyle Group owns companies that produce weapons that are being used in Iraq. The CG has been awarded contracts in the Iraq rebuilding process. Funny...the group was originated at the Hotel Carlyle in NY only a few years ago, but was going NOWHERE until the Bush camp became involved. Now, it's worth billions of dollars...SINCE...9/11. So, the way I see it, come Election Day, if you have any type of conscience and any type of hope for the future of our country WITHOUT lies and continued dying of Americans in the Middle East, the vote won't be cast for the current administration. Regardless if you like Kerry (and his past), I don't honestly feel this country can survive another four years of Mr. Bush. I normally don't speak out politically, but I'm just tired of the loss of our people in a place we should never have been in the first place.
Sue
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 09:08:51 (MST)
Frenchie I am on cloansapam it is anti anxiety med it works for me. I suggest frenchie and Fred go to your local Vet center they are vets that can help you in any situation. We have a good one here in Phoenix and Ray sounds like he has a good one also in ther in Md. Please check it out. Your conseulors are vets and understand your situation better that some or all of the Docs at the VA. Be careful out there.
Rick England
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 09:00:44 (MST)
I don't know what I find more upsetting regarding our fiasco into Iraq, how we got there, or how we're going to get out! Just like Vietnam, we started out with lies, then exacerbated them by not being able to walk away from all the dead folks we created! We love WAlter Cronkite, even though he pretty much singlehandedly turned popular sentiment against the war, at a time when, history has shown, the other side was ready to give up! Between Pearl Harbor and Normandy, seven thousand Americans died within a few seconds of hostile actions, I guess they didn't really serve their country, they didn't spent enough time in a combat zone....hate Kerry all you want, if it makes you feel better. To me, he had the courage to say what was on his mind, and put it into public record! I agree with Animal, however, I've also noticed that SOMEBODY is going to end up as President, and given the options, (bush and Kerry), I'll opt for Kerry. boy bush acts like he doesn't really care how many people get killed in Iraq, just so he gets reelected. wartime president....bullshit!!!! terorists have declared war on America, did that a long time ago, long before georgie boy became president, will be killing people long after he's gone. Our ancestors engaged in terrorism when they put this country together, why should we expect that others aren't going to do the same??? Somebody has a vision, he gets others to believe in his vision, and the killing starts. why? It gets people's attention...quite simple, really....we're special because we served in Vietnam?? WE have no right to partake in the American dream because we served? How many politicans have parlayed their experiences into elected office? Joe McCarthy, Bob Dole, Daniel Innoue(sp)Max Cleland, countless others..I'm supposed to take offense that another one is trying to grab the brass ring??? I've been involved in local, county, state politics, since 76, and have a pretty good idea how the system works,for both parties. It's all about making yourself into the message, ala Newt Gingritch. Hell, he was a liberal democrat at one time, and couldn't get elected, so he became a conservative republican!...whatever it takes...........Conservatives believe in small government,that make laws to protect our morality....liberals like big government, but don't like laws that tell us how to live in our private lives...go figure.....
Kim
USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 05:18:45 (MST)
Gently, Thank you for the web site, and the symptoms. It’s good to have a Home base. I am slowly taking myself off this insidious drug . And have noticed some normality returning. What a ride. VA gave me 2 things. Funny the way they have this “well try this and this” altitude. 4 Months ago they gave me 5 different drugs to take. I was sick as a dog for 2 weeks. Their fix was to stop taking one drug at a time until I got to feel better. I told them NO I thought that I would stop taking all but one of them, wait, try another, then another, until I found the one that was making me sick. Then don’t take that one. Silly me… Jim Sorry I missed your call And as to the” FRENCH TERROR ALERT!!!French Upgrade Terror Alert It is back to the standard “NO bathing - and running” PU. They will not stay here long it stinks too much…
Bill 68-69
SAV, USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 23:34:58 (MST)
Fred A, It's impossible to be a professional politician without selling your soul to a special interest. Therefore, just by being a politician on the national level you are a corrupt individual. Kerry is no execption, but neither are any of the others that are in the spotlight. Having said that,I haven't missed voting in an election since serving in Vietnam ( I wasn't old enough before that). Where I feel my vote has the most impact is on the local level. So screw em all nationally! but we have a county councilman on the Big Island from the green party. Twenty or so years ago when I lived in Charlotte, NC, there was an extreme conservative in my neighborhood who was always on my case. I recieved great pleasure every election day by smoking a fattie, voting, and then finding this guy to tell him " Jerry, I just canceled out every vote you made". Later, Greg
Animal
Puna, HI USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 22:30:06 (MST)
Hmm...I sense some bad vibrations from Ms. Gently. Her posting to the log left me wondering if I can help in any way.
Sue
Celina, OH USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 20:19:20 (MST)
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Baron
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 16:10:29 (MST)
Freddie, I am very glad for your Mom and your family. That was very good news!
jeff
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 14:28:27 (MST)
Fred, get to the PTSD program this time. The VA is changing policies on it, basically getting rid of the Vietnam Vets(by making it very uncomfortable for them to speak due to new inexpereinced counselors taking over, many who are young females) to make room for the Iraqi Vets. The program may go to 6wks of treatment and then you're out. If you have regular insurance try to get a referral and use it. This war and the election has us all upset, so I'm sure that you Vietnam Veterans are really having a hard time with it. The stories are on the front page everyday: Kerry, Bush, Iraq, war, Kerry, Bush, Iraq, war. It all takes you back. Be there for one another you guys-get through this together. We supporters of this site can only do so much because "we weren't there." Yes, we lost loved ones and friends in VietNam, but as the saying goes, "we weren't there." We are here though. I love you Fred-Gently
Gently
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 14:08:22 (MST)
hello to all. i really dont understant much whats going on here on who did what. when i came to the 129TH i aws to be in pol bUT THR CO ASKED ME IF I WAMTED TO BE A DOOR GUNNER I ASHED WHAT WAS THAT. HE SAID YOU SIT IN A HELICOPTER WITH A M 60 MACHINE GUN I NEVER SEEN ONE. BUT SAID WHY NOT AND I DID. I AM NOT TO SURE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT I GUESS ITS BE CAUSE I NOW GET SO MIXED UP AND CONFUSED SO EASY/ JUST MIXED UP IN MY MIND BUT I COME A LONG WAY. AND A LONG WAY TO GO.BUT I NOT CHANGE A THING. BUT I GUESS I DID MY JOB WELL I GUESS SEEN THINGS LIKE YOU ALL DID NOW I TRY TO FOR GET. WAS ROBBIES GUNNER FOR A LONG TIME. MY 2 CENSTS WORTH IS I DONT CARE FOR I BEST NOT SAY, BUT AS I SAID I NEVER SEEN A M 60 . BUT WAS PROUD TO BE PART OF THE 129TH SEE YOU IN INDY LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING YOU ALL A PROUD BROTHER OF THE 129th RAY BE SAFE MY BROTHERS TALK TO USOON MARK. ROB NICE TALKING TO U TODAY BE SAFE THAKE CARE MY BROTHERS
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
md USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 13:35:18 (MST)
friend of mine said a few days ago, "kerry has got all you nam vets in an uproar,doesnt he?" I thought about it,for a few days,and think its true.I cant think of nothing that has devided nam vets as decisevily(sp) as this.shrug. The bad dreams have returned,as have the depression,moodiness,and constant thoughts of " over there".its one of the last things that cross my mond before bed, one of the first when i arise to begin my day.Durinh the day, sometimes my thoughts will take a 90 degree turn and go to "over there'.15 years ago ,VA said its not service connected.shrug. I told my VA doc this week, i want to see someone in their PTSD program.Dont know whats going on inside my head, but if anyone else is experinceing this,guess its not to abnormal.what ever that is.I have always had great fear in going thru a meet with this type of program.Perhaps this time I will go. pulling pitch for awhile, god bless all, freddy,hugs to your mom.
alvis
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 13:12:34 (MST)
Freddy,I am not taking anything away from anyone. People of "swift boats" had a heck of a job, I completely agree. Kerry wasnt on one, he was on the smaller boats. And my best friend in jr high/high school went over as a marine grunt. He came home with an ak-47 hole in his thigh.It was one of those cases we all went thru,but I was on the other sidethen,as I hadnt served yet.Something had changed in him, we drifted apart rather quickly. same happened to most of us.I bet your friend wasnt there with political asperations, nor after cheap medals so he could be like JFK.Your friend did one of the most noblest jobs one could do over there,save lives,care for the wounded,unarmed most ofthe time.I myself, would have been scared shitless to have done that job.I voluntered for the army,vietnam, and to fly all the same day.It was the most dangerous job my ignorant, young,action seeking butt knew of.From the word go,thats what I wanted to do.They told us in a.i.t. that we had 14 seconds life expectency in a combat sutation. Some started crying,some withdrew from the school.I thought, " oh shit, what have I gotten myself into?"Due to some damn good crew chiefs,I was taught how to "perhaps" stay alive.smitty was one of them.due to some damn good pilots,and luck,i returned.shadow was one of them, perhaps fetus also, as was gabby,god bless his heart.I have heard the clatter of ak-47s pointed at me in anger.I have seen the tracers gently curving in their deadly arc,my way.I was shot at ,in the air on approch, by NVA morters.I saw dead prisoners, tortured prisoners ( by roc's).I saw (first on scene) a cilivan air crash with perhaps 60 bodies,all dead, burnt, ripped apart like rag dolls.headless,armless,legless,most without shoes. I saw the 50 cal my room mate had when they crashed and died,bent u shaped from the impact.4 brave souls,brought back in c ration boxes, nothing left but small parts,foot in a shoe, ect.I saw to offericers come to my hootch to collect their belonging, me having to say whose was what.I saw , you saw ,we all saw,sometimes with tears in our eyes.We did what we wanted to do, had to do, loved doing. we did it for ourselves ,then for our friends and brothers.Every april 18th,I get drunker than a monkey, or depressed,or depresed,or high or all 4.Most of saw the horrors,the hungry,the poverty,the very,very poor.I went their for me,not god or country.I got more than I bargained for.So did my dead friends familys.My ucle was shot down and captured, kept for years while kerry firmed up the norths belief to hang on.He did it while I was there.He did it while the peace talks were being draged on,on on,on,on,on and on.If he wanted to protest, fine, thats his right.I dont disagree with that.I am highly suspect of his medals.I belive he has cheapend them,and is using them,waving them around,acting like a bona fied hero.We all have seen acts of heroism, true acts.Kerry is a bona fied member of " the brotherhood of the gun".Its what he has done with it that angers me.
alvis
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 12:33:31 (MST)
Frenchie-FYI on your medicine. If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately: seizures shuffling walk,persistent fine tremor or inability to sit still,fever,difficulty breathing or swallowing,severe skin rash,yellowing of the skin or eyes,irregular heartbeat. There are others, so look on the web. Gently
Gently
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 12:25:50 (MST)
F.S-my words were honest and sincere. I can say "I know what you're going through" with your mother, because I went through it with my dad just last summer. To take my words and back channel(or call) our friends on this site with your constant self-rightousness and berating of me has really pissed me off this time! I have nothing further to say to you! And don't call me anymore! ME.
Gently
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 11:11:20 (MST)
Fred A.....Not to sound mean spirited...But the first kid that died from my neighborhood,Paul Holly, was a Marine Corpsmen on one of those river boats. Those boats were a shitty job in Nam. Not to take anything from us, but I would have rather been flying, instead of a boat jockey or a grunt. Got to remember Fred, I was 05B20, a radio operator, I thank my stars everyday that I got to fly.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 05:29:41 (MST)
Fred S. , Very glad to hear some good news,will keep you in my prayers. Fred A, Don't blow a gasket before i get to see you these people are not worth it. They pok & prod to see what a reaction they can draw & the best thing to do is don't react. Thanks for the jokes by the way, looking FWD to Indy>>> jim
jim westwang 71-72
sheridan, wy USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 00:06:48 (MST)
Mr. Skaggs: Wonderful news about your mom!! Sounds like all the prayers and good wishes on here helped both you and your mother. You and your family continue to be in our thoughts. And never, NEVER be concerned about admitting to sensitivity and compassion. Deep down, it's what brought us all here and are the ties that bind.
Sue
Celina, OH USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 23:20:13 (MST)
what next, week kneed excuses for hanio jane as well? Hanio Kerry has cheapend the medals awarded to rightous veterans. 3 purple hearts in 3 months and a silverstar, give me a break. 1 in 10 people that died in vietnam were helicopter crewmen.How many hearts you see awarded?His line of work lost what? 50, 60 people? helicopter crewmen losses were almost 5000 souls.give me a break. Take your heads out of the sand and see what he really is. A self serving...ah , never mind.I am sick to death of ...... stepping on nam vets backs to futher their own goals. yes, he was there.for 3 months,punched his own ticket, got with hanio jane, yes , there are pictures. and did what ever he had to do to futher his own political career, no matter .Hell, maybe he will have jane as his running mate.I am really starting to think I have nothing in common here but time served in a place, a period of time.Attack kerry?hell, he aint stepping on my back, not cheapen my dead friends medals with his poppy cock,bullshit.ALVIS < Vietnam veteran against kerry
alvis
USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 21:36:23 (MST)
FRENCH TERROR ALERT!!!French Upgrade Terror Alert, In light of the Madrid bombing. France has raised their terror alert level from "run" to "hide". The only two higher levels in France are "surrender" and "collaboration".
jim
USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 21:34:30 (MST)
Help . Crashing and burning the Va has got on something called Clonazepam. My personality is changing. Anybody had this stuff? Is it short term? Frenchie745(take this out) comcast.net
Bill French 68-69
SAV, USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 19:52:48 (MST)
Fred S. ....... Man that is the best news in the world. I know how you felt. (I hate it when people say that to me because "how can someone know how I feel ?" )well, I lost my mom to lung cancer in '98, so the time of not knowing what the prognosis is going to be is really tough. I am glad that it is going to work out fine. moms are a special gift from God. he was really smart to make them like he did. I miss mine every day. so give your mom a big hug and a kiss from me. Later, Don
Don Miller
Valley Farms, AZ USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 19:51:14 (MST)
Thanks Gently & Sue. I did'nt invite you Gently cause I did'nt want anyone "between" Debbie & Me during the ceremony!! ;o)) Next you would want between us on our wedding night! LOL Thanks all for the words of encouragement. Gale
Gale
USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 17:51:21 (MST)
Fred, that is great news. I'm glad for you and your family. I know what you mean when you say you're not as tough as you thought you were. It has a way of humbling you when it is someone you love. I hope the rest of the flight is doing well. Hello Ray, good talking to you.... Rob
Robbie
Rochester, NY USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 16:41:43 (MST)
FLIGHT....GREAT NEWS.....My mother goes into the James Cancer Center at Ohio State University April 21st and gets out the 24th.....NO radiation treatments or therapy will be required. They can get everything in "one shot", but is serious because they are keeping her for 3 days. The bottom line is they can get all of the cancer. She went like a trooper for 42 years, every six months for a check-up. Since she had servived cancer in 1962. Mom will be 74 years old April 10th, and my brothers and I are throwing one hell of a bash for her, at the "old pub" she owned in the neighborhood. All her old patrons are going to come for it......It`s been a hell of week waiting to see what was the verdict. THANK ALL OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE 129th FAMILY, for your prayers and concern and thoughtfulness....I`m not as tuff and cold blooded as I thought I was....It was killing me. Thanks again you all!!!!!
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 16:20:15 (MST)
Gale-thanks for the invitation but it's really impossible. :>)) LOL! Gently
Gently
USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 15:14:35 (MST)
Gale, I have yet to "meet" you, but I'll remember your anniversary. My daughter turns 23 on April 3!! And as my dad used to say, "I never knew what true happiness was till I was married. Then it was too late!" (He was joking of course...or so I hope to believe!!) Best wishes to both of you!
Sue
Celina, OH USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 14:43:57 (MST)
Mark, yeh buddy...........I'm singin' and Debbie ain't let me out of her sight for two days. I hope she don't "hog-tie" me tonight. Oh well, I guess it's gonna happen.......5:00 PM (EST) on Saturday! Got me a new suit and all. Mark, I stopped by "Lurch's" house.....no body home,so I left a note to check in at the website. Clear, Gale
Gale 67-68
Clinton, In US of A - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 13:30:49 (MST)
How comes barns burn down, and houses burn up? Why do we park in the driveway, and drive on the parkway? Why is it when you are young, sleeping with someone is a good thing, but when your old, thats all you do. "Sleep" with someone................speaking of the speed of light, if we could travel at the speed of light (186,282 miles a second) it would take us 2 seconds to get to the Moon. At the speed of light, it would take us about 9 minutes to reach the Sun. At the speed of light, to reach the outer edges of Gods creation that man has discovered as to date, it would only take, 18 BILLION YEARS!....WOW, Big place "The Man" has made................but He has control of every microbyte.......Hey Gale, ya singing " Get me to the church on time" yet?.....God bless you both. Good to see the new comers a yackin' and the new ladies also...............if you have a sincere compassion for the unknown thoughts of our brave/backbone of American Soldiers in here and everywhere, your in the right place...........I am always here to listen, always. Take care brothers and sisters, always a brother and sister, Mark and Dee...........
Mark
USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 11:43:24 (MST)
I would like the panel to note that an Assault Helicopter Company should not be confused with ash and trash supply helicopter companies. Those are brave men indeed and any one who flew over Viet Nam knows how insane it was. Many of them are on the wall in Washington and disabled. However, an assault company looks for trouble on a daily basis. Our general mission is to hunt the NVA and kill him. We offer close air support. In addition, we offer support via insertion, extraction, and emergency re-supply. Historical evidence post war shows clearly Assault Helicopter companies inflicted and received many casualties. Assault helicopter companies brought the war to the enemy. Assault helicopter companies where one of the most feared and hated American units of the North Vietnamese Army. (NVA
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USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 09:53:19 (MST)
HELLO TO ALL, FRIST ILIKE TO THANK TOU FOR YOUR HELP ON THE DRYWAL THING, FOR THOSES WHO WROTE ME AND DIDN'T PUT DRY WALL OR THE 129th IAM SORRY I MAY HAVE DELEATED IT NOT KNOWING WHO YOU WERE. BUT LIKE MOST OF YOU ALL SAIS GOING THREW THE DRY WALL IS MY CHOICE. IAM NOT DOING THE WORK, HECK I CANT EVEN LIFT T COURDLESS SCREW GUN WITH OUT IT SHAKING SO BAD.START THE WORK NEXT WEEK I THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH I TELL YA YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SO MUCH HELP OH HERE. IAM DOING GOOD IF I CAN STOP FALLIG OFF OF THINGS , BUT NO MORE AS I SAID I GO NO HIGHER THAN MY SHOSE TAKE ME, AND THATS NOT TO HIGH. ALVIS THANKS FOR TIP ON THE WIRING IN WALLS I WILL REMIND THE MAN DOING THE WORK I BEEN DOING OK I WALK 6 MILES A DAY 2 IN AM AT A FAST PASETE AND 4 AT NIGHT WITH GAIL A MEDIUM SPEED WE DO MORE TALKING THEN WALKIG, VET CEBTER MAN SAYS IAM DOING GOOD. WELL ENOUGHT ON THAT WELL SEE YOU IN INDY CANT WAIT TO MEET MORE OF YOU ALL A BROTHER ALWAYS RAY, OH NICE TALKING TO YOU ROB AND ALEX THANKS BE SAFE
RAY <stilwating@aol.com>
MD USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 08:43:00 (MST)
Jim....That`s a Law of Physics question about the car headlights.....At the speed of light your car would be a pulse of energy so it would have no headlights, hence they would not work.....OR....Your car can't go the speed of light... as it approches the speed of light, time slows down and distance elongates, so the light will still be going much faster with respect to the car. I`ll have to figure this one out......The rest of your questions are "too heavy" for me.
Fred Skaggs
USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 04:46:43 (MST)